: What you smoking bud? If Draven is caught in swains w he can't catch an axe and then he'll not outheal the swain. He already won't if swain isn't 1v1ing him due to the Swains usual build which should include a zhonyas + tons more for his AOE dmg that heals and that does damage to scale off. Draven relies on damage dealt through autos to heal which is lowered vs tanks so if you bothered to counterbuild draven like he bothered to counterbuild you you'd die much slower.
If Draven is so braindead that he didn't W and just step away from Swain's, he isn't winning anything because he's intentionally feeding.
: I dont think you know what a Drain tank; You cannot compare Draven healing with vs something like Warwick or Aatrox. This ridiculously stupid. A drain tank, heals, tanks, and kills you. Draven will get insta bursted , where as an Aatrox or the *New* Warwick, will just fuck you up or just out heal till there team comes. Ik you got shit on by a Draven in lane this patch; That doesnt' mean you should make up stupid arguments and points because of it.
Why are we including Aatrox, who can't fight unless his passive is up because his base defenses are laughable at best?
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GoatPope (NA)
: Get a 100% win rate with Viktor with this one simple trick
It's memes and games, not memes and bad jokes.
: When she takes 70% of a squishies health, I'd say her damage is still pretty obscene for a Tank.
Considering any good tank nowadays can kill a squishy instead of just dealing 70%...
: > [{quoted}](name=TehNACHO,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fZQrpuV5,comment-id=000100000002,timestamp=2017-01-12T09:27:04.502+0000) > > To be fair, her high base stats, high armor/mr scaling, high HP scaling, high base damage, %HP damage, _heavy_ lane harass, MS steroid are all tuning levers. Only her hyper-efficient sheen usage, tons of cc, gap closing, and disengage potential are relatively untouchable in her kit. I blame Trinity Force as an item for the first one, unpopularly enough, but it's not at all weird or broken or toxic that a Tank has tons of CC or an efficient means to stand somewhere they want or the ability to say no to a fight. These are all things that you would simply expect of her as a Tank, and it's wrong that you'd try to use these as examples of her having too much. > > Her gameplay mechanics are fine. She's overtuned, but other than her dueling potential (again, a problem with tuning more than anything else), she's not actually doing anything "wrong". Her design is great and just needs the right numbers behind them to be balanced. i think poppy has only 1 major flaw and it is her insanely long wall stun. she has enough time to recall and tp back to lane befor eyou are unstunned.
It's not even close to insanely long. It's two seconds and conditional. Don't stand between her and a wall.
: This update looks great! It keeps his...theme? Quite well, it works and it looks fun!
They kept the passive and the ultimate. That's all the theme there was to him, and it's still there. So yeah, they kept it.
: > [{quoted}](name=Japhib,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fZQrpuV5,comment-id=00080001,timestamp=2017-01-13T02:57:45.591+0000) > > Shyvana has a huge speed boost on her W. Warwick pre-rework has no CC or mobility built in unless the target is already super low, which eliminates the majority of gank opportunities ummmz. They just have to be below half health. Not too low xD. Also Shyvana's speed boost isn't that huge, it's just really long in my opinion.
They have to be below half health and they get a warning that he's nearby if they are. That's not a gank, that's intentionally feeding.
: "Modernization" meaning he becomes OP and eventually gets nerfed into oblivion because his kit is overloaded.
They didn't buff him though, aside from the fact he'll be able to get to an enemy and fear them before level 6. What they actually did was nerf his sustain past 50% HP.
: BREAKING NEWS: PLANET DESTROYED
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: One for All: Mirror mode would be a fun alternate. Everyone is the same champ on the Howling Abyss :D
I can only see that being fun for Draven, and only if you do it only once, and the intention is to get that one Draven full build on his first death because he's catching every axe from everyone.
: >You don't want 15 AD and 20 AP being the reason you lose every match. I've always used Pen runes instead of raw stat runes. (>_>) "Always" being after I diversified out of Support in S4 and didn't require gold/10 runes every game.
Well, before the Lethality change I did run mostly armor penetration instead of flat AD. 'cause doing the math, it's a stronger increase than flat AD. But it's the same difference. You don't want the fact the enemy is doing 15-20 more damage to be the reason for losing lane every game.
: The randomness of the dragons has no strategic value
At this point, the only reason you'd go out of your way for a Cloud or Ocean drake is if you're playing as Shyvanna. For everyone else, if the game spawns nothing but oceans and clouds before Elder, you can be glad that the enemy got all 3 because the only real change it made is that you can now kill them at Elder much, much more easily.
Sharjo (EUW)
: Warwick: The Wrath of Zaun - Champion Teaser
Warwick all damage reduced by 50% because he lost a claw. Only change.
: > [{quoted}](name=DeceasedL0ved0ne,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=c70LPZ12,comment-id=001a0000,timestamp=2017-01-09T22:53:55.661+0000) > > Then tell him this is exactly what should be done. > > Maybe not 1000 bot games, since those teach you nothing except how to move and turret range. But 1000+ normal games should really be a requirement for ranked in the first place. No If he's looking to improve, ranked is most likely the best place for him to be. If he REALLY wants to avoid being in bronze then by all means stay in normals for a while. But the fastest way to improve is to be challenged and normals doesn't usually cut it for being a competitive environment.
For as many normal games as it takes to earn the IP to even begin being competitive, and as many as it takes to learn the general abilities of every champion without spending time looking at every Spotlight, he'll spend an equal amount of time in Bronze 5/4. There's no reason to be a hindrance to someone who's already spent that time in norms.
: Give me a good melee matchup and I will make your life hell.
Alright so no juggernauts, divers, or champions with point-blank/targeted CC. {{champion:44}}, but his ultimate counters Vlad's so: {{champion.not.found}}
: It'd be kinda fun to see in a different game set in the same world, where little things like those actually have impact in gameplay. Warwick would be a counter against Vladimir, and would synergize greatly with Darius. Draven and Darius would get a buff when they fight together. Things like that.
Vlad would definitely be able to mask the scent of blood, even if he doesn't simply drain any non-cosmic characters of their blood from a distance. Warwick, whose power apparently comes from something in his blood now, would stand no chance. Draven and Darius would most certainly be a hindrance to each other, seeing as they would compete for kills rather than work together for them. And Draven doesn't even play basketball.
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: Just don't do what I did. I played 1000+ bot games before I got into playing normals. Then I played 1000+ normals before I got into ranked. Ain't nobody *except me* has time for that shit. Of course I've never been in bronze, so that's one plus.
Then tell him this is exactly what should be done. Maybe not 1000 bot games, since those teach you nothing except how to move and turret range. But 1000+ normal games should really be a requirement for ranked in the first place.
: Im excited to reach lvl 30 and join the cool kids in ranked
If you're getting to level 30 any time in the last year and a half, you haven't played enough to be ready for Ranked. You're going to get flamed so hard you'll wish you were playing an MMO instead, and Riot didn't tell people that since they halved the exp needed for 30 you'll be far less ready than any other group of players has been in the past. At the very least, since you're "excited to grind," grind for at least 2 full tier 3 rune pages. You don't want 15 AD and 20 AP being the reason you lose every match. And so you know, rankings work in reverse. Bronze 5 isn't high, it's low.
Leona OP (NA)
: are we seriously equating drunk driving to playing a game of league after a few beers? smh And no, dude was not downloading scripts while drunk, that is a pretty ridiculous reach there how do you even come to that conclusion besides just looking for some excuse to hate on this guy. I would love to see a reason for this guys ban, maybe he did go on a bender and act absolutely toxic enough to warrant a permaban, telling someone to suicide or something other along those lines, if something like that did happen then damn right he deserves it but dont crucify him for a few beers lmao.
The amount of influence you have on the others involved is roughly the same. No one said it was the same situation. No lives are at stake, but if you're willingly choosing to ruin someone's game by playing drunk then you've broken at least two of Riot's stated rules. And if he had any third-party programs at all, the ban is warranted. That he also did other things that are banworthy is besides the point. If he's of the right mind to be able to play the game, he's certainly coherent enough to click a download button. It's not hard to find scripts.
: Hello let me say that I like it
Well you were, like, third to comment. So you're not the next guy or even the next next guy.
: Made me chuckle. Upvoted. For the record, I do like the game mode. I just like ranked more, so I haven't played it once this time around.
So you don't like the game mode _enough._ Which is the point I'm trying to make. If people aren't playing it instead of the regular options, there's no reason to keep it up forever.
: {{champion:74}} His turrets are his main source of damage and far more central to his kit even than Daisy is to Ivern, yet Syndra can just pick them up and toss them under her tower, from outside their range, to instantly remove them from the game. With an ability that has a much shorter cooldown that Heimer's turret charge rate at all stages of the game.
Key point: Turret(s) He can easily summon more than one, while Syndra can only grab one at a time. Give Ivern two more Daisies, and it'll be a reasonable comparison.
: Heimer tower?
: Nah, daisy ain't special with regards to ways to get rid of her. She's only special in regards to allowing Ivern to do things with his abilities. Her status isn't ment to protect her from anything, only to enable Ivern to do some extra stuff.
She isn't meant to be removed by Syndra's W, otherwise Syndra's W would be able to completely negate Tibber's summon stun+damage as well.
: The thing about Path of Exile, is that none of it *needs* to happen. With league, if you dont use masteries, you are screwed. Period. You are hopelessly outclassed by enemies that it doesn't even matter if you play well. You have to have masteries to survive and conquer. Have you ever seen a game where a keystone-less player absolutely stomps a player with a correct keystone? I haven't because it's rare that it even happens. With Path of Exile, it's optional. You don't have to build with skills that are specific. You could just build 100% intelligence, strength or dexterity and be fine. They are completely reliable builds. You don't need to have something that modifies your playstyle in that game. In League, you NEED a keystone to succeed against someone who has keystones. If you think forcing a player to have a certain stat is introducing players at their own pace, then there is something wrong. Especially since you gain experience faster than previous seasons, you are shoved into a "use ____ or lose" kind of game.
There's been a boom of keystone-lacking players intentionally picking no keystone, as well as players who brought Colossus on champions with no hard crowd control because it used to be SotA.
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JVP15 (NA)
: League of Legends Is Sexist
This is a board for memes and games, not sexism and bad grammar.
: Let's not pretend to know what's in their minds. It's also possible that its a natural outcome of the underlying code and that Ivern's abilities are the special cases for Daisy because its in the same kit.
Which is something they would have tested, considering there are only 7 pets in the game that can be targeted.
: There's also the part where SYNDRA TAKES DAMAGE FOR HOLDING TIBBERS. Literally. Tibbers has a Sunfire passive. If a Syndra picks up a Tibbers, that Sunfire passive does a fair amount of magic damage to her over the time she holds Tibbers, unless she throws the bear immediately (which lets it out of stasis). If you're Syndra, chances are that you don't want to hold an enemy Tibbers, unless you've grabbed it from beating on YOU. If it's beating on your tank, let it, because you take more damage from its aura than the tank does from its autos.
My point was exactly that you don't want to hold onto enemy Tibbers, so it doesn't matter that you can. By the time you can grab Tibbers, Annie's already gotten that large AoE, damaging stun off on your team. But Daisy doesn't come in with a bang like Tibbers does. In fact she comes in with a cast time that makes it impossible to do a Q-R combo without her already being out.
: What about yas windwall? If Syndra W gets nerfed for moving iverns ult I want yas windwall nerfed for stopping half the ults in the game
She doesn't need the W nerfed. Daisy just shouldn't count as a minion when she counts as a champion for all of Ivern's kit.
: I really doubt Riot cares about a single ultimate interaction like that when stuff like Wind Wall exists.
Except that they do, otherwise they wouldn't have coded it to be allowed despite the fact Ivern's champion-only Q and E can be cast on her.
: Sandbox mode which allows players to understand scaling and such is coming. Lower IP on runes and stuff I can get behind. What exactly would you want to be in the tutorial? It can't be huge and bulky but still needs to be informative. I personally think that pvp on any game is basically trial by fire. I don't think there is a good way to really help casual players get into pvp. Some people (not everyone) will always look at min maxing and actually research which will always be used against a new player. It is the nature of pvp games.
The tutorial should be a campaign of sorts, like other mobas attempt. First and foremost, starting with how to manipulate minion waves aside from just right-clicking to shoot at them.
: I was able to get an easier hold on Path of Exile than LoL.
Actually, what you're describing is completely wrong. Sure, you get to see the skill tree, but you can also see all the runes and masteries before getting them. What's best is a system that introduces players to the game at their own pace. However, Riot doesn't want to go through the trouble of actually making their matchmaking system notice the difference between a level 30 player who's been playing for 7 years and has every possible rune and a level 30 player who only started playing after they halved the xp requirement and so has no runes because they spent all the measly amount of ip they got on the cheapest champions. The only way to fix this issue without doing any actual work, because you know Riot doesn't like to do actual work, would be to make runes as free as masteries.
: After 7 long seasons we finally did it
So when the enemy doesn't have a marksman, you don't need one either. That's kinda like saying you don't need a Vi when the enemy doesn't have Shyvanna.
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évy (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DeceasedL0ved0ne,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YfgmT7rc,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-08T07:14:02.458+0000) > > Reread the terms and conditions. They can ban for any reason or no reason at all, and you agree to it every patch. really? it says in terms and conditions that they can ban you for no reason?
>NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY HEREIN, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU SHALL HAVE NO OWNERSHIP OR OTHER PROPERTY INTEREST IN YOUR ACCOUNT, AND THAT ALL RIGHTS IN AND TO YOUR ACCOUNT ARE AND SHALL FOREVER BE OWNED BY AND INURE TO THE BENEFIT OF RIOT GAMES. YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU HAVE NO CLAIM, RIGHT, TITLE, OWNERSHIP, OR OTHER PROPRIETARY INTEREST IN THE GAME CONTENT THAT YOU UNLOCK OR ACCUMULATE, REGARDLESS OF ANY CONSIDERATION OFFERED OR PAID IN EXCHANGE FOR RIOT POINTS OR VIRTUAL GOODS. FURTHERMORE, RIOT GAMES SHALL NOT BE LIABLE IN ANY MANNER FOR THE DESTRUCTION, DELETION, MODIFICATION, IMPAIRMENT, HACKING, OR ANY OTHER DAMAGE OR LOSS OF ANY KIND CAUSED TO THE GAME CONTENT, VIRTUAL GOODS OR RIOT POINTS, INCLUDING THE DELETION OF GAME CONTENT, VIRTUAL GOODS OR RIOT POINTS UPON THE TERMINATION OR EXPIRATION OF YOUR ACCOUNT. This includes your account. You do not own the account. They have no obligation to give you access to or a reason for barring access to said account. And as it stands, you've already explained that you do something on a regular basis that should get you banned from PvP matches anyway. So there's no sympathy to be had.
évy (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DeceasedL0ved0ne,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YfgmT7rc,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-08T07:15:18.741+0000) > > Regardless, serves you right for playing drunk. There are plenty of single-player games that you can play when you get drunk and want to play video games at the same time. how does my personal choice of state of playing affect or is a concer if anyone else, would it be okay if a guy was reported and banned for using a track pad. what about while tired? maybe 1 hand? or even whist laying down? its all down to personal choice and everyone is entitled to play under conditions that are soothing to them.
You have 4 allies. That's like asking how your state of driving affects the passengers. Or maybe driving with your knee, or one hand, OR TIRED. It's all down to personal choice, you're right. You chose to do something against the rules and were punished. Play a single player game or play a custom game alone. Don't make other people pay for your bad decisions. It's a good thing you were already banned, so I don't have to worry about you ruining one of my matches because you intentionally fed while drunk.
évy (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Zialeska,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YfgmT7rc,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-07T21:49:26.041+0000) > > **Then maybe you downloaded scripts while drunk. > Intoxicated playing is enough for me to downvote the thread.** > ^^ completely agree and you saying "**there is no way for me to know for sure tho cuz its all a blur to me. **" this kinda makes me think maybe you did do something stupid since there is no way to know for sure. I think you just answered your own question. yeah but there would be breadcrumbs on my pc from me doing something stupid like that, i wouldnt have the composure to download apply and then delete the script or whatever while intoxicated, especially if i dont know where on earth to find it while im sober
Regardless, serves you right for playing drunk. There are plenty of single-player games that you can play when you get drunk and want to play video games at the same time.
évy (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sraeg2013,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YfgmT7rc,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-07T16:29:14.407+0000) > > Corporate laws allow Riot to ban you, because it's raining. sounds about right
Reread the terms and conditions. They can ban for any reason or no reason at all, and you agree to it every patch.
évy (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Talon12,realm=OCE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YfgmT7rc,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-01-07T12:08:01.401+0000) > > Plot twist. Riot doesn't yet accept teamspeak. Get destroyed. > > [FIX IT](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us) teamspeak is hacks, the communication it grants is an unfair advantage
There are a few programs Riot doesn't accept but will generally allow. So, like with people who use custom skins, you may end up getting banned fairly unfairly.
évy (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=JeDeN,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YfgmT7rc,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-01-07T12:21:42.834+0000) > > Have you seen any weird games in your match history that were not played by you? I had the same situation 2 years ago. Someone got into my account (no1 had my password etc.) when I was sleeping and played some games. After I realised I was like umm... okay, lets just change my password, nothing bad happened. And some time later i got permabanned for third programms using. Then I realised that, the guy which played on my account, he played on scripts. There is no way you will get unbanned btw if this happened to you aswell. there are sometimes some games that i dont quite remember because i often play while drunk or extremely tired.... there is no way for me to know for sure tho cuz its all a blur to me. Whether or not i get my account back i would appreciate some closure
Then maybe you downloaded scripts while drunk. Intoxicated playing is enough for me to downvote the thread.
: This is litteraly the biggest hypocrisy I have seen from Riot in my whole life
Meddler just needs to be fired. He's the king of Lack of Foresight. If there's a trend, you can be sure Meddler won't notice until he's already given the greenlight to completely ignore it.
: I don't even care if you don't refund me for my 16 rune pages.
The cries of the Littlest Lulu fall on deaf ears once again. They're not going to give us more refunds, or take crafting away from mastery, or make runes free until a few years from now when they see a massive drop in players for seemingly no reason.
: Ruby for Vigor makes sense for Taric. We already got Emerald for Insight, and Sapphire for Divinity (Classic) Now we just need an Opal for Harmony.
Yes, but not at the expense of the man's gem knowledge. It's not bloodstone, call it blood ruby. Ruby doesn't have the same connotations as bloodstone. And vigor certainly isn't related to the Castlevania-vampire theme they went for on the rework. It's most ridiculous that this was done even though the rework gave them ample time to match up the color to the name and the already existing bloodstone skin.
: Taric gems are made of Starlight that pulses into them.
Yeah, but the blue light is just because Riot didn't want to "increase" the value of the skin by making a tiny particle color change.
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