: Why does it feel like DIver's are just more mobile Juggernauts nowadays?
Typo in the title, yes, but I was coming here to chap your chaps cuz uv duh **_"still deal metric amounts of damage"_** line. I mean... Its either "metric ton" or "metric fuck-ton" for the saying... You cant just go around calling something "metric amounts" as a way of saying a lot of... we already have that, its "metric ton of." The saying comes from the fact that a ton is a weight in American "Standard" measurement of 2,000 pounds. A metric ton is 1,000 kilograms. One kilogram weighs 2.2 pounds. This comes out to 2,200 pounds. So when someone says "Thats a metric ton of bullshit" they mean is EVEN MORE than a ton of bullshit. Mathematically 20% more bullshit. Im not flaming you, but you fucked that saying up. This is how people get classic sayings wrong. Someone fucks it up, and then other people use the wrong version not knowing better. Its why many of you dont know what a noob is instead of newb.
Shundown (NA)
: Implying this wasn't made for controversial Yasuo hate. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
His ban rate is 60%. He has the highest ban rate of any champion. The forums didnt inspire that. The extremely popular Yasuo hate inspired that ban rate, as well as the forums hate. Yasuo hate is well earned by the number one toxic pile of ass to play against champ in the game (irregardless of power level) he is hated because he is not fun to play against.
: Watching Dyrus's stream, the amount of open mids is retarded
Ugh, people dont want to win, they just want to be carried. I mean I feel like sometimes you know there is nothing you can do. Like you just got wiped out at Baron, ADC is the onlyone who got out and here they come with Baron buff 5v1 down mid for your ungaurded inhibitor... Respawn timers in the mid 40s and theyre wacking your inhib with baron buffed minions... ok, call it. Its over. Now in lower elo games, there are times when its decided too. But. Enemy teams throw something terrible in Bronze, Silver. Here is a match. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2402517706/225715083?tab=overview Someone on the enemy team even said "Why havent you guys ff yet?" In the post game lobby I responded "Thats why we didnt ff fyi." I had to put up with all manner of crying and blaming and shit talk and this and that and so on and so forth out of a certain 2 of my teammates... Wont name names, but I had to repeatedly tell them to stfu, focus, and wait for them to throw cause they dont know how to end. I was right, and we won cause they just couldnt, or wouldnt, end. See, the enemy team had a pattern of going out, gang banging one or two of us, farming jungle camps, minions, and going back to buy a shiny new item. This allowed us to catch up on items too however. At the early part of the match I had no faith we could win, it was 0v10 literally everyone on the team was 0/2. That didnt stop me form trying to find my carry pants and slip them on anyway. They eventually played with their food long enough for it to bite them back. They gave us every opportunity to get back into the game and we did. I also want to thank the Janna, she maintained a positive attitude throughout. While I loathed her for not building a sight stone (died to random flanking a few times and I both placed and destroyed more wards than anyone on my team) she convinced two other people to build Zzrots to help stall the game out for us to catch up. So she wasnt the support we wanted, but she was the support we needed blah blah Batman blah. Here is the appropriate video: My buddy and me playing Overwatch and he gave up... I mean I give up sometimes too, but I always try to put my carry pants on before I do. https://youtu.be/6TFnddUBaw4?list=PLNvXxO-JU2bWEOGkA70htWQ-KT-XzUVmt&t=515 Good luck everyone, see you on the fields of justice.
: > [{quoted}](name=Weasel Kensei,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A2sUEjTN,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2017-01-18T16:35:37.510+0000) > > Itemization done too late wont help, but if the problem is addressed quickly then it can turn things around. > > Stop building that Trinity, or Black Cleaver. Go immediately into your lanes best defensive option for your class. > > Continuing on with your damage build vs a champ that is shitting on you, will just mean they will continue to shit on you. They are obviously doing more damage than you are, and are getting gold faster than you are. You will never win the damage race. > > This is something I need to get through my thick skull. Could've maybe done something in my game last night if I'd switched build paths.
Just considering that you maybe could have changed build order, or shuffled an alternate item into your build means youre developing a skill. Just like anything else, when to roam, when to shove, when to take a tower/drag/baron is a skill, knowing when to adjust your build is a skill. I offered some advice to a Camille just the other night. She was getting shit on by a Darius in the top lane. She of course only had one completed item after laning phase is over... a Trinity Force. I told her next match if you know ur going into a Darius, drop Fervor as a keystone, and get Courage OTC, and get a Steraks Gauge. If ur up against a Teemo, or a mage top, get a Maw if youre losing a lot of HP quickly. Then feel free to go back to the Trinity Force after. By getting those before its too late, you may still die, but it may only be once instead of 3 times. She liked the advice and seemed to understand that she could go strong when her passive, Courage, and Steraks were all up because the chances of dying were really low with that many safety nets to keep her alive. All of this and Steraks adds to base AD so it works really well with Trinity when it gets finished. Good luck, and remember sometimes we are our own worst enemy.
: funny assumption :buy armor and neg cloak and it will magically put you back into the game. this season if you died 6 times in 10 minutes no thornmail sunfire neg cloak combination is going to make you come back. teammates babysitting your lane and trying to carry you will. while there is certain truth to your post OP , buying armor and mr just sets you back even further than you already are and you will be useless in a fight without dmg as a drumbells , dmg dealer. i can´t recall any games where someone behind in mid / bot / top came out ahead again without help but just by itemizaiton.
Itemization done too late wont help, but if the problem is addressed quickly then it can turn things around. Stop building that Trinity, or Black Cleaver. Go immediately into your lanes best defensive option for your class. In a lane bully match up if they can all in + ignite you for a kill, and do so... you are now dead. Gold goes to them. If they do this again, you have now given them about 600 gold plus whatever farm they picked up after they killed you. This will be the pattern of the lane from now on. Youre correct, they will need babysitting to fix this. Now building some items to keep you alive, maybe something with life steal to help keep you sustained, or more HP, some resist. These will stop the all in buffet they were doing to you previously. Once that stops, you can now hold out and stop feeding them more gold to beat you over the head with. See were not always trying to turn a lane 180 degrees. Thats a little unrealistic. We should aim for one category of change. 3 lanes usually exist: Winning - Either snowballing on kills, or chunking your opponent and them sitting back and watching you farm. Going even - Neither of you has much kill pressure on the other, and the farm is within 1-5 CS at nearly all times. Losing - Youre either getting shit on and cant farm, or they have killed you several times and will do so again if you let them. Itemization is aimed at hopefully going from Losing > Going even from that point on. They will still have that lead on you, but the goal is to stop the lane from being a free farm bonanza, maybe turn it into a lane the jungle can gank and get you some gold. Continuing on with your damage build vs a champ that is shitting on you, will just mean they will continue to shit on you. They are obviously doing more damage than you are, and are getting gold faster than you are. You will never win the damage race. In bot lane, losing ADCs will still often rush an IE. Sometimes the correct action is to get a Vampiric Scepter for some extra life steal, and to upgrade your boots to tier two so you can mitigate chip and poke damage. Sure, you delayed your damage doing this, but now you can stay in lane longer, get more farm, and avoid falling behind any more than you already are.
: Yasuo goes mid, and feeds 0/12/1 by the end of the game.
Gather round all, I will tell a tale of wonder that most will disbelieve, but I assure you it is true! There was once a clash between legends on the rift. A battle true by the boy who shattered time, Ekko, and the unforgiven, Yasuo. Yasuo was beating Ekko as if it were 2v1, as if the wind was truly by his side kicking Ekko in the nuts. Then two things happened, one mundane, the other a miracle. Ekko received advice from another champion... They spoke with concern, but also respect. They said unto Ekko "When you return to base, get two cloth armors, trust me." Then the miracle happened. Ekko DID IN FACT buy two cloth armors. When Ekko did return to clash blades with the unforgiven warrior, neither his blade, nor the wind by his side could kick Ekko in the nuts anymore. With glee and exuberant acquisition of confidence at this turn of events Ekko thanked the sage and fellow champion who gave this advice. The sage went on after being thanked to expound upon the reasoning for this turn of events. The first cloth armor is countering the armor penetration of Yasuos rune collection, the second cloth armor is giving you enough protection to survive his attempts to skirmish long enough to either escape, or kill him. That day, the boy who shattered time also shattered Yasuos spine like 10 times after taking the advice of another.
Reposer (NA)
: I mean, Ekko's a healthy champ at the moment, and has only been a problem when overtuned on release (Most champs get that or undertuned anyhow) and when the tank build was realized, and eventually nerfed. AP Ekko has always been an acceptable kit, obviously barring release, and if you removed anything from his kit, he'd be shit on. Even with Tank Ekko, the only thing you could feasibly have removed would've been his Q, since that version of Ekko relied on using the passive slows and mobility more than anything.
Only on release? We had to deal with tank Ekko for MONTHS, many patches went buy before they put that beast down.
: > [{quoted}](name=Weasel Kensei,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E0ice0v0,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2017-01-17T23:40:37.154+0000) > > Some correction for your statements. In the client you can go into the champions tab. > > {{champion:103}} > Mage > Secondary: Assassin > > U cant say she isnt an assassin, Riot says she is at least to one degree or other. 100-0 in one dive isnt what makes an assassin. Its a combination of burst, and mobility (or stealth) that makes a character count as an assassin. > > Its why certain marksmen are counted too. > > {{champion:18}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:29}} > Marksman > Secondary: Assassin Well sure, but if you want to take that approach then the argument is trivial: Is there any champion with the combination: Mage, Assassin, Support? Clearly there isn't, because Riot only lists two roles. Now, as to Ahri specifically: These definitions haven't been changed for ages. Pre 5.2 Ahri WAS an assassin, hence that title. Her charm gave 20% damage amplification and allowed her to 100-0 squishy targets. Post 5.2 Ahri is no longer an assassin by definition. She can be built like one (at least when ahead), but nonetheless she's no longer an assassin but "an ultra-mobile kite mage." As Riot said themselves in patch 5.2 notes: "Fantastic Ms. Ahri's success as a support-killing, pick-making assassin has always been tied very closely with Deathfire Grasp. With the item gone, however, it became obvious that Ahri's unique role in the game was losing focus, so we set out with the goal of moving her back to her original vision as an ultra-mobile kite mage. Technical improvements and updates to Fox-Fire and Spirit Rush should make her feel smoother to play, while Orb of Deception's new mobility effect allows her to both outwit opponents in close duels or remain elusive as she repositions in a fight." As to your definition of assassin, you're largely right. They need the ability to 100-0 though. No one would play an assassin if all they could do is 100 - 10 their victims; they need to be able to finish them. I mean, even though an assassin by definition has the mobility / stealth to get in and out, they are still taking a risk by going in that they will get locked down and killed. Why take that risk if the reward doesn't measure up? Taken from the "assassin" wiki: "An assassin is an agile champion that specializes in killing or disabling high value targets. Focused on infiltration, deception, and mobility, assassins are opportunistic hunters who find favorable moments within a fight before jumping into the fray. Regardless of the size of the enemy team, assassins specialize in positioning and artful killing. They strike when the time is right – no sooner, no later." My definition of assassin at least is the ability to 100-0 a squishy paired with the ability to get in and out despite other non-squishy enemies nearby (if the squishy slightly mispositions, etc...). Most "mage assassins" that the OP is complaining about lack the latter point (ability to get in and out), while some miss the former. I suppose I'm missing the disabling part, but with the amount of lifesteal on ADCs I don't think you can disable one unless you kill it...
I like a lot of your points, and its true that Ahri did lose a fair bit with the damage amp removal. She did get some AP scaling and base damage buffs, and her Q MS buff for compensation. Still laning against her vs say a Talon or Zed? You people are going to act like Ahri doesnt have a poke, poke, poke GAP CLOSING ALL IN! play pattern like them? Really? If Zed or Talon are behind, they 100-10 a target... I guess that means theyre not assassins if they fall behind. Anyway, nice points, but we have to be careful with having our "own definitions" as to what stuff is. That just leads to "LALALA I CANT HEAR YOU" moments in discussions. Clip this out form your post: Taken from the "assassin" wiki: "An assassin is an agile champion that specializes in killing or **disabling** high value targets. Focused on infiltration, deception, and **mobility**, assassins are **opportunistic** hunters who find favorable moments within a fight before jumping into the fray. Regardless of the size of the enemy team, assassins specialize in positioning and artful killing. They strike when the **time is right** – no sooner, no later." Ahri development: By Ryan 'Morello' Scott Greetings Summoners! Back in the end of September, we announced The Nine Tails Fox much to the excitement of our community. Well the time has finally come and after much anticipation, we wanted to reveal the gameplay style for Ahri, the Nine-Tailed Fox. Ahri Ahri's gameplay style revolves around **mobility** and managing position to aim her spells. When played properly, Ahri darts around teamfights, picking off wounded stragglers and harrying soft enemies. This is largely accomplished through her Spirit Rush ultimate, which allows her to dash multiple times before going on cooldown. Ahri can either use all three quickly to chase, burst, or escape, or she can spread out their uses to keep enemies guessing and juke around the battlefield. Combining this with her high magic damage and her Charm ability to **lock enemies down**, she can strike from unexpected angles or bait enemies into over-committing to disadvantageous situations. Ahri's major gameplay decisions are based on her **assessment of risk/reward**. Her burst is high, but must be in short range to maximize it. This creates a dynamic that requires her to endanger herself to reach full potential. Play it safe and have more light damage, or commit and go for the kill? Use your dash for damage, or save it for escape? The choices are constant with these opposed strengths and weaknesses. Her kit is really designed to appeal towards **opportunistic** players who prefer characters with a lot of action, and especially players that like to lull enemies into overconfidence, only to capitalize and punish them. Ahri's dangerous, seductive nature is something we're happy to deliver for players who like to toy with their enemies before destroying them. ___________________________________________________________ I know what the wiki says for assassins, and Ahri plays like an assassin. She has every trait, all the assassin hallmarks. Yeah her damage took a hit, but they replaced it with a truckload of mobility. If shes so much of a kite mage, why does it feel like a kite that is trying to catch up with you to kill you!? Hashtag: Murder Kite (in theaters this summer). Like an assassin, when she decides its time to go in, she does so with damage dealing-gap-closers like Talon and Zed. Looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, albeit a slightly less muscular duck, still pretty ducky... Im going with duck... an assassin duck... note to Rito, new champ needs to be an anthropomorphic assassin duck. Well if all that didnt sway anyone, and the addition of assassin ducks wasnt slightly funny, then Im done. You guys can take your "ultra mobile kite mage" and have it. Im not calling her an assassin just cause of the label in the client, but also because her playstyle hasnt changed that much.
: This simply isn't true. Mages that have assassin levels of damage still aren't assassins, but even if they were those mages wouldn't be supports. When you complain about mages being assassins you have a few types: Like leblanc, who is actually an assassin. Like Syndra, who isn't an assassin because while her damage is better she has no reliable way to apply it unless you just walk in to her range. Like ahri, who isn't an assassin because she can't 100-0 a squishy that's a level behind her and has no mr unless she's extremely fed (i.e. she lacks the damage to 100-0 in one combo, she either needs to be ahead, needs you sub-60%, or needs to use two or more spell rotations meaning it's not an assassination given that's at least a 5 second cooldown between). Note that no one would call any of these supports - people will typically tilt if you try these. When you complain about supports you have a few types : Annie who's weird, but may sort of be both. She's flexible. Still very immobile though. Although tibbers is busted Like brand/zyra who aren't really supports so much as a second apc with sufficient base damage to bully a duo Lane without gold (these guys clearly aren't assassins though) Like Lulu/Lux who have plenty of supportive spells and transition to damage if wanted - but again clearly aren't assassins. So who exactly is both an assassin and a support? My list is 1 long - Annie, and only when she has flash up.
Some correction for your statements. In the client you can go into the champions tab. {{champion:103}} Mage Secondary: Assassin U cant say she isnt an assassin, Riot says she is at least to one degree or other. 100-0 in one dive isnt what makes an assassin. Its a combination of burst, and mobility (or stealth) that makes a character count as an assassin. Its why certain marksmen are counted too. {{champion:18}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:29}} Marksman Secondary: Assassin
: LoL no longer feels Strategic
I feel like investing in counter-building of items is less a thing. Not just predicting "I will need MR vs these opponents" but I mean seeing an enemy getting ahead and changing your build order, or starting building a specific item now so you have it completed by the time your trying to teamfight vs them. Now it feels like if you stop building an item, and start trying to build something else, the match will nearly be over before you even finish the item.
Paquay (NA)
: I'd like to play with that team sometime. It seems like most of the teams I get on go "oh dayuum, that ap/adc is wrecking us... but this tanky guy is closer so I might as well aim all my skill shots on him."
It was a product of me crippling or killing them each individually, and forcing them back a couple of times... One person probably said "Target Brand" and jumped me with CC, then someone else hit me with a nuke, then the rest noticed I was hurt and dog piled me in vengeance for me tearing a strip out of them before. With me down, cause fuck peeling for me, the rest of my team just pissed themselves in fear and either slipped in the piss falling victim to the enemy teams zealous onslaught inspired by the confidence in my defeat, or ran for the base lacking the skill/power to finish off the injured opponents. Its not that the opponents were incredibly good so much as my team was incredibly bad. My match history isnt working atm but my KDA was 20/14/12. I was recking up the place, but once they realized I was the key, the deaths started racking up.
: > [{quoted}](name=Weasel Kensei,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vpwGBFjG,comment-id=0003000100010000,timestamp=2017-01-16T15:24:32.056+0000) > > Riven isnt that popular compared to other champs. Her win% isnt that bad, and she has a very real corolation to her ban rate with her win%. > > Observe this chart on her win%, ban%, play% and see that she is at one of her lower win% rates at the moment... while also being at her highest ban% atm. > > http://www.lolking.net/champions/riven#/overview > > A champ like this with a pool of dedicated players doesnt need bonus power to abuse in games. While I think "Gamebreaking" may be a bit of hyperbole, it certainly is a bad thing to have on a champ that bounces around like a superball and pretty much needs CC to take them down. It might not be gamebreaking in the same sense as Azir infinite turret bug, but if it came down to Yasuo v Riven after a teamfight and she broke his knockup with this bug, killed him and won the game.. Id say it broke the game.
Well by that logic, if came down to Yasuo v Riven and she broke his knokup with thebug, but failed to kill him and lost the game... then the game wasnt broken by the bug... A bug is either gamebreaking or isnt. It should not be tied to arbitrary circumstances. Does Riven need nonsensical CC avoidence? NO! Riven needs fixing, but when little issues like this show up I ashure you Riot takes a bit of a wait and see to see how a bug breakes a champ. They do this because they may well add it as a feature. Sure they may trim kit power somewhere else to fit a new feature in, but it could be a thing. While I dont like Riven anymore thant the last person who had to lane against her, in all honesty she still isnt winning enough games to be considered freelo cause of this. I once reported a Garen bug, I dont think they fixed it. He can use his spin and win in a bush and be hitting you with it the whole time if your near the bush... and it doesnt reveal him. Is that a bug? Yeah probably. Dose it make him busted OP? Meh, not really, annoying but Im not calling for him to be disabled for it. Is Riven breaking out of CC MORE ANNOYING? Yeah, but shes not stomping every game shes in, and at her current ban rate, shes losing most of them. So again. Needs to be fixed? Yes. Is disabling her necessary? It may be overkill in the eyes of Riot since shes not good most of the time anyway so... yeah, I mean again I dont like Riven either, but there are other battles that should be fought more than disabling Riven no matter how much Id rather not ever have to see her.
: Gamebreaking... lawl. Pretty sure her winrate hasnt changed at all...
Riven isnt that popular compared to other champs. Her win% isnt that bad, and she has a very real corolation to her ban rate with her win%. Observe this chart on her win%, ban%, play% and see that she is at one of her lower win% rates at the moment... while also being at her highest ban% atm. http://www.lolking.net/champions/riven#/overview A champ like this with a pool of dedicated players doesnt need bonus power to abuse in games. While I think "Gamebreaking" may be a bit of hyperbole, it certainly is a bad thing to have on a champ that bounces around like a superball and pretty much needs CC to take them down.
: After lane your not looking to poke, your looking to burst. I know dft isn't bad on her but I just think tld vastly outclasses it because of how easily she can proc it, especially since her R procs passive. Its like taking grasp on poppy. I mean, it works but courage is just so, so much better.
I agree. Another math breakdown. Late game Lux in teamfights with 600 AP (we will assume shes level 18 with that much AP). Stats on keystones with 600 AP: DFT 8+150 for 158 damage over 4 seconds, reduced to 2 seconds for AoE abilities. This means if she were to land and E on ALL 5 enemies that would deal (158 divided by 2 is 79 and 79 times 5 is) 395 damage for her keystone DFT. TLD is (10/level) 180+60 for 240 damage, which actually can AoE but we will disregard that. To compare to DFT, Lux needs to get that 79 damage/target on at least 3 targets in a teamfight, then wait 2 seconds, for the damage to become equal to TLD upfront damage. Or wait 6 seconds with two more ability cast to reapply the DFT damage on one opponent. Of course that extra damage may mean the difference between a marksman, mage, assassin living long enough to kill you or another carry... I mean its just 2 seconds you have to wait is all. TLD improves Lux 1v1 considerably, and in teamfights that last long enough to do less damage than DFT you have to ask will TLD put an enemy down faster so they lose carry damage output in said teamfight? It was never a question of can DFT WORK on Lux. It was a question of why are you trying to slowly kill people with a nuker? DFT is my go to on Brand. Every match its DFT, Brand passive, and Liandrys Torment; 3 DoTs suck it!! Also people need to remember what started this line of discussion is that I asked someone why they didnt have TLD on a Lux. They didnt respond with "Well based on my match up my best shot is to poke them out of lane and reduce kill pressure on myself. So I took DFT. Its a play style preference also." NO, they didnt say any of that. They said "Thunderlords doesnt work on Lux." That is fucking stupid. A matter of preference, meh, ok, fear of the match up so changing approach, fine. TLD DOESNT WORK ON LUX!? No, thats just dumb, and someone that dumb doesnt need access to a button to label others unskilled because theyre too dumb to use it properly.
: > [{quoted}](name=Weasel Kensei,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rVpwt7Av,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2017-01-16T02:55:57.758+0000) > > This assclown > People were so fuking noob and ignorant > That Lux, and my ADC, were potato as fuck. >because they were butthurt baddie dipshits. >That player has access to an unskilled button? I dont fucking think so. >There are thousands of these idiots. > >Still if they had the option they would probably have reported me for unskilled I hope you're not like that ingame, you'd have worse problems to worry about.
I generally find diplomacy is the best way to try immediately reason with someone in a match. Doesnt stop me from thinking theyre dumb as fuck while trying to offer information or aid to people. Probably the most unhinged I get is when we have two idiots fighting in chat and one of them decides its "time to teach the other a lesson" and starts intent feeding to make them lose cause they were "toxic to them and justice must be carried out." My words get pretty choice with that level of idiocy. Also often right in the middle of that argument between any number of idiots I like to pull out the old "Arguing with some random 11 yo kid in a video game is dumb as fuck, next person to type salt into chat has the lowest IQ." Alternately "Hey, you can keep getting that trolls dik hard by giving them attention, or stfu and play the damn game!" Those are a bit crude sure, but versions of that have been my go to over the years to get people to mute each other, realize theyre on the verge of entering a stupid measuring contest even if they dont know it. EDIT: In game tho? Try to avoid it if possible... Iv learned over the years it is virtually impossible to explain to a stupid person that theyre stupid, BECAUSE theyre to stupid to understand that theyre stupid. They just pick up that your insulting them and get mad which interferes with their higher brain functions to make them even stupider.
mecharri (EUW)
: Yeah, I had a friend Who started to Play Ziggs in every fucking Lane when patch 6.24 came out, cause he said that Tower FB gave a tremendous snowball, luckily he got banned for "troll", like the idiot he is, right?
Well, I cant see "your friends" Ziggs statistics, but I have to assume he was DOING IT IN EVERy LANE, and regardless of pick order and surprise his team ended up without an ADC and that "snowball" melted. Often when a player picks off meta stuff, and WINS with it... people dont report. I have to assume he made a few to many games "SURPRISE WE HAVE 4 AP CHAMPS NOW" and those people were mad about that surprise that destroyed the overall comp. But no, Im sure he got banned cause all that early snowballing leading into wins made so many people mad...
: Nothing wrong with Deathfire on Lux FYI.
I could give you a complex breakdown of why its inferior in every way on her compared to TLD. I will give you a brief explanation. The window in which Lux can burst a target down is 2 seconds. If she lands her Q, she launches E, taps R, then sets off E. Also any aa she can manage. If she has say 200 AP (this will bear out to be true of any AP value) in 2 seconds she will get 12.5% of her AP as bonus DFT damage, or in this case 25+8 over 4 seconds, then shortened to 2 seconds for AoE ability, dealing 33 divided by 2 coming out to 16.5 bonus damage. That same AP value for... we will lowball her level at just 6, minimum for her ult. 200 AP she procs TLD with that combo and gets 10% of her AP for 20+10 (base) +60 (10/level) or 90 bonus damage added to her burst combo. The DFT may be slightly more helpful for driving your opponet out of lane with E spam, and do a bit more damage in teamfights, but TLD helps her kill her opponet. In lane she only needs to hit with an ability and an aa to proc TLD giving her significant damage to add to her passive. Why is it so good? TLD IS HER PASSIVE! She hits you with an ability, she can proc her passive now with an aa, and it will do 10+10/level + 20% of AP. Lux's poke pattern works with DFT yes, but her combo excels with TLD.
: Honestly this would be nice but i know it would be abused to as it's all case by case considering most do not know how jungling works and expects that everyone should gank at lvl 3 and act as a non stop gank and expects you to gank when you are across the map. I can already see issues here. granted it's not like a ban would come etc but i can see stuff like this clogging up the metrics bad.
Its not super common, but not so uncommon that it cant happen more than once in a single day that I have to support an ADC annoyed with me for taking their farm... And by taking farm theyre complaining about my use of{{item:3302}} because they dont actually know what it is. In ranked no less. Then after you explain it, they still keep fighting you for the cannon minion. To many ignorant people in the game. How many do you think would use it to report a tanky support for using Relicshiled cause theyre taking CS "UGH, taking my minions, SO UNSKILLED!"
: Bring back the "Report for Unskilled".
In one of my prievious matches I had a Lux with Deathfire Touch. I asked them why they didnt have Thunderlords. They told me it didnt work for her... This was in a ranked match. This assclown also told me I need to learn how to support, while they were 1/6/1, and I was a moron. Thats why unskilled went away. People were so fuking noob and ignorant of the game that they THOUGHT OTHER PEOPLE WERE WORSE THAN THEM! That Lux, and my ADC, were potato as fuck. Still if they had the option they would probably have reported me for unskilled because they were butthurt baddie dipshits. The Lux spent multiple sentences, inarticulate ones with no substance, assuring me that Thunderlords doesnt work on Lux and that there was never a reason for Bard to be comming up the river toward mid... That player has access to an unskilled button? I dont fucking think so. There are thousands of these idiots. For every one proper use of the report, there will be twenty or more reports on you because you didnt follow through on some moronic tower dive at level one.
: Nah man just pick brand and oneshot the enemy team.
> [{quoted}](name=GayFluffyUnicorn,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mA4w0ITO,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2017-01-15T17:54:20.472+0000) > > Nah man just pick brand and oneshot the enemy team. Doesnt work that way. I play Brand a lot. He does a lot of damage. The other day I was playing Brand mid and did (as I often do) much more damage than anyone in the entire match. I did about 80k damage, with the next closest person about 30k behind me at about 52k... the enemy ADC Twitch who carried their team. Despite just washing the enemy team in boat loads of face melting damage gained by kill gold and CS gold and doing an indisputable amount of freakish damage I was not able to "oneshot the enemy team." To be fair Id get off about one rotation and they would all jump me and my boosted animal teammates couldnt finish them off. This was on a mid laner income from kill gold and a big chunk of CS. Good luck with all that on support income, that whole "oneshot" thing...
dynikus (NA)
: making suggestions != bitching. >person 1: "wow, this chicken tastes really good. But it might be even better with some rosemary." >person 2: "Ugh stop bitching about the chicken!" see how stupid that is?
See its worse than that. This MrFawkn guy doesnt get it. We are consumers, and Riot is providing a products for us to consume. This game is free to play, but it would go away if money was not spent on it. So like the chicken example, its like a customer asking for fries with no salt, and some asshole over at a table yelling "Stop bitching about the fries!" If the customer cant "bitch" about stuff then the provider cant know what the customer likes... if there is nothing the consumer likes, then they dont consume... So ugh, to MrFawknSunshine... as I have said to many a people who tell others to stop "bitching," isnt it a bit ironic to be "bitching" about other people "bitching"..... Ill just let you think about that, and then as the realization of how stupid THAT sounds (bitching, that other people are bitching) we can just all observe as you shut the fuck up.
: Depends like Support mains should know the whole champion roster at least , I pretty much know every champs kits and power spikes how they play and off meta picks are something i can expect. Like fiddles bot lane i never see yet i know how to deal with it with an actual support. Nid support i fought a long long time ago i knew how to deal with and stomped lane and won. Gragas support i fought a few times i know how to deal with it by hand. {{champion:63}} /{{champion:143}} they may be freelo to people who dont respect them but to people WHO actually know how to fight them they end up free G and wins (assuming they dont throw) Even ziggs bot is nothing new to me since i played him support and had fun. my favorite lane is {{champion:143}} {{champion:74}} doh :D what are these ganks we speak off
Zyra and Heimer would be a pain to get in on. Reminds me of my occasional {{champion:17}} supporting I tried out just to amuse myself. While he isnt good at peel, the blind blocks all damage from the enemy ADC, followed up with exhaust cuts their damage down. By this time Iv poked them with repeated AAs so they back off. The golden ticked on that guy though is shrooms used as free wards in the bush, and blocking off the enemy jg approach. At a certain point the enemy laners just know not to chase the ADC because they will get kited to hell and back from the shrooms. The only thing that keeps it from working well is the gold reliance for items and levels to increase Q and R effectiveness.
: Dude you are wrong {{champion:429}} is a top tier support she has infinite dashes so she can peel for her {{champion:143}} while staying safe, her e is a slow and free smite at once and she provides free vision with her w. If you now count her ultimate you got a the best support you can think of. Sadly Riot gutted her cause she was a pick-ban support in competitive play. Now all we got is the typical {{champion:51}} putting her traps everywhere so her carry can hit the skillshots once somebody steps on it.
: Well, I wouldn't call it off meta because currently the best supports are Malzahar, Zyra, and Karma.
Karma is certainly not off meta support. The Karma we have now has been more popular on support historically. She sees play in other lanes because she can be pretty flexible, but shes not some flavor of the month support by any means. There was no reason to make a list of non traditional supports and include Karma in it. Malzahar like some other odd champs can work as support because he can be pretty cheesey with his passive and his extreamly reliable/lethal CC with his ultimate. In all honesty, having a Malzahar is like having a Warwick or Vi in your lane, but with a ranged aa, that can just point and click CC/chunk your target. Its about as reliable as an Annie stun, and Malz doesnt have a big red indicator that hes about to flash supprise buttsecks you so the jg can come and gank. Again, this is best played by a support main who understands what theyre doing with it instead of some kill stealing kiddie who couldnt wait for the midlane que time. Zyra gets by more than she used to with the addition of Thunderlords. After her rework she got an even better botlane also. Her E can initiate, peel, poke. Her Q by itself is ok for poking, but with the pets proc also its also a strong poke/zone tool. Her ultimate is also a strong peel, initiation, zoning tool. She has enough tools at her disposal to fall back on some utility when behind. Its why she works. Zyra being played by a support player in a supporting fashion is a support.
: So somebody who mains support will beat somebody who doesn't? You don'tsay...
Ah but I do say. What Im trying to help a few people understand is that they cant just take a mage bot lane and faceroll just because. There are people that dont understand that a support main will beat them bot lane. They think theyre hot shit and have killer mid laner skills, they dont realize it doesnt all translate to a 2v2 lane though. They often do it "to win" and never play support properly, or ever will. Im trying to spare them, and their team, the harsh fact that for it to work well, they must first be able to support properly before they can understand how to really get it to work. If those players took the time to learn supporting, they would see the lane differently and would probably then see why picking a traditional support has a lot of advantages. Because they refuse to look at the lane in a purely supportive fashion, or the match and their team in a supportive fashion. They will never see as much success going mage support in an attempt to be an AP carry in the support position as a real support main on the same champ. People dont get it, and Im trying to help them understand that full AP Lux with ignite players will win fewer games doing that than a Lux with Sightstone and exhaust. Assuming similar skill levels and not someone smurfing to rofl stomp on Bronze ADCs.
: As somebody who use to main Jungle/Sup. I can tell you I now main Jungle/Top. Because the 'support' mages are not off meta; rather they are completely out of control. I will go back to bot lane when Ziggs, Brand, Malz, Zyra, Annie, etc are gone. Actually it's the only reason I hate autofill. Because of 'support' mages.
Well based on win % Zyra is the only mage that is played more as support than as a mid laner. Even then her build statistics prove out my point more. The first item built on her is {{item:2301}} . Successful support Zyra is SUPPORTING, while also offering CC and damage. I see a LOT of people picking Zyra and placing zero wards. Those people arnt supporting. Sona is winning more games than her at the moment though. You largely missed my point somehow, I think you assumed a lot from the TLDR part. I said that off meta stuff working is because of support mains doing it. A support main would build {{item:2301}} on {{champion:143}} . A person who doesnt understand bot lane wouldnt and would go full AP and lose to the player who understands how to support, while still playing as a mage.
Rioter Comments
: And this is why you are "trapped" in Bronze. You cage yourself with your delusions of grandeur and refusal to acknowledge your own faults.
I made Silver 3 last season. Was on my way to Silver 2 but then preseason 7 hit. Its not delusions of grandeur, or refusal to acknowledge faults so much as seeing my old faults in an overabundance presented by my team in certain matches. Last season when I got out of Bronze, I pretty much climbed right up through Silver 5, 4, then went on a losing streak back down to S5. Not because I couldnt handle the challenge, but because the matches were over before me and ADC could leave bot lane most of the time. I was stunned how bad the matches were. I couldnt understand how the players on my team were getting worse as I climbed. After a while, right back up to Silver 3. I know Il be out of bronze this season eventually, when not being held back what must be bot programs farming IP. Im an older gamer, the kind that sits down with friends and watches replays. Not my first moba btw. Me and one friend spent 30 minutes perfecting a coordinated attack plan in Left 4 Dead 2, then taught it to our other friends. Cause figuring out how to win is a thing we like to do. Even if its fixing mistakes. I know you think you KNOW me cause your so elite, and anyone who disagrees is trash... but you dont know me. Its watching replays to see alternate options, and mistakes; that is when I see often that my team is straight up be retarded.
: Excuses. Where is you admitting your mistakes? What could you improve? But sure, you are the perfect player who is constantly ~~unlucky~~.. Oh, I forgot, the system is rigged. Ah yes, blame it all on Riot and stay Bronze.
Nice little strawman you have there, you like straw? Make little strawmen often? Cute. _"But sure, you are the perfect player..."_ Here comes the toxic words in peoples mouths cause they have an opposing opinion they cant prove either. Im done with you after this, though feel free to get the last word in I know you cant help yourself. I never said I was perfect, but in an attempt to climb Iv learned all manner of stratagies, match ups, builds to try to climb. When that work pays off, I get stuff like promos where Im support, and my ADC goes 0/3 in the first 8 minutes, and blames me for "wreking their farm" or "constantly stealing the cannon minion and taking CS." Yeah, I get promos (twice; loss, win, loss) where I have to support people that dont understand what {{item:3302}} is while claiming to be ADC mains... Promos, a game series you get after earning LP from successive victories... and I have to support people who are so backwards and ignorant of the game they dont even know HOW to be supported. No, Im just imagining that theyre somehow worse. Youve formed youre opinion, and its the internet so nothing will break you free of it...
: > [{quoted}](name=Weasel Kensei,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AByipKfh,comment-id=00060000000000000000000100000002,timestamp=2017-01-13T14:04:08.049+0000) > > Hey, here is a match I was in after a win. Rito decided, "Oh you won a match Weasel, well its time you LOSE a match then. You can't win every single game. There are indeed games in which your teammates play like boosted bonobos, but that's just bad luck. That Aatrox on the enemy team that went 18/2? Well, he went 1/11/3 two days before - playing the exact same elo. The Ekko that got crushed? Well, he went 11/3 two days before. Even the whole of Riot desperately wanted to ruin your, Weasel Kensei's, day, it couldn't have known that the match would turn out like it did. > Now, ur telling me that after a win or two... Its ME that cant play at the new MMR? Can you explain how I was given 4 other players who just cant manage anything? That Ekko... just went HAM on Aatrox over and over. Never got a single gank from that Malphite and still won my lane and kept bot aflot. Nearly all of my deaths came from trying to turn back constant sieges and Aatrox managing to sneak up on me. Him being super fed from Ekko made even 1v1 vs him nearly impossible. Even then I was positive KDA most of the match and got most of my kills from people coming mid to to try and shut me down. You can't win 100% of your games, that's just impossible. The people on your team just had a bad game, they aren't usually that bad. > I believe, like other people do, I got that match as a guaranteed loss to counteract my previous win. My teamates were the bottom of the barrel at the time that match was put together and it was done to arbitrarily curb my prievious success. But how? Look at Ekko's match history, could you have predicted that he would suddenly go 2/13? Of course not, it's bronze. Consistency is a strong trait that isn't to be commonly found at Bronze. > There is no way those people belonged in a match with me, I refuse to believe it. The enemy team wasnt very good either... but they were fed from the massive incompetence of every other lane and jg. There is no other way to look at it than I was sandbagged by Rito match making. Stop being delusional, please. You went 1/8/1 not too long ago which means that your KDA was even worse than Ekko's.
I had to hunt for that 1/8/1 match, then I found it. It was the one where I ping furiously that LeBlanc is roaming... Then she comes back to lane with 2 kills every time she does. Good job finding a match "where I did bad" that had a lot to do with getting camped by Lee who got fed by Ekko, then I had to try to farm vs LeBlanc and Lee two of the best diving champs in the game... no really. I usualy get Ziggs when Im first pick mid and my team wont use pick intent or someone wont trade with me. While that match wasnt that long ago, you had to scroll down a bit to find it... so I guess my consistency must be ok then. Part of why I can tell when Im being sandbagged. My team goes from normal skill level to every lane shitting the bed before the 10 minute mark. For even more funny shit, the aforementioned Ekko with a better KDA (completely different match apples and ~~oranges~~ dragons) The only kills Ekko got was when someone else (one of them me) was fighting Aatrox and he managed to steal a kill. You dont want to believe the match making rigs the games out of your favor, fine, but I guess thats just you working your confirmation bias in the opposite direction. Here no evil, speak no evil, see no evil sort of thing.
: Forced 50%? Yes, the matchmaking system tries to force you to have a 50% winratio (if you play enough). But it doesn't do this by matching you with worse teams, it does it by matching you with better/worse players in both teams. If you have a G1 MMR and win 10 games in a row in one day then the system thinks you play on P4 level. Therefore it will match you with players who average P4 in both teams. But seeing how form depends on the day and you may have simply had a super great day but are unable to play at P4 niveau. That means on the next day when you play at G1 niveau again it's very likely that you lose a few games so that your MMR drops from P4-G1. But seeing how most people tend to seek faults in their teammates rather then themselves they get the impression that not them, but their teams got worse. Riot has no interest in manipulating your winratio, why would they?
Hey, here is a match I was in after a win. Rito decided, "Oh you won a match Weasel, well its time you LOSE a match then. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2398354940/225715083?tab=stats Me, AND the enemy team agreed that I was the only person on my team... the others were probably bots. Now, ur telling me that after a win or two... Its ME that cant play at the new MMR? Can you explain how I was given 4 other players who just cant manage anything? That Ekko... just went HAM on Aatrox over and over. Never got a single gank from that Malphite and still won my lane and kept bot aflot. Nearly all of my deaths came from trying to turn back constant sieges and Aatrox managing to sneak up on me. Him being super fed from Ekko made even 1v1 vs him nearly impossible. Even then I was positive KDA most of the match and got most of my kills from people coming mid to to try and shut me down. That match was a total joke. I believe, like other people do, I got that match as a guaranteed loss to counteract my previous win. My teamates were the bottom of the barrel at the time that match was put together and it was done to arbitrarily curb my prievious success. There is no way those people belonged in a match with me, I refuse to believe it. The enemy team wasnt very good either... but they were fed from the massive incompetence of every other lane and jg. There is no other way to look at it than I was sandbagged by Rito match making.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Weasel Kensei,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QkGjvdjv,comment-id=000b00010000,timestamp=2017-01-13T00:13:24.084+0000) > > Most of the supports, in bronze/silver at least, ARE autofilled. A significant percentage do que up and go full AP no sight stone because they think that will get them the win more easily. That or the think skipping the 800 gold of the ss will put them onto damage items sooner which they precive as more fun than the increased loss chance associated with the lack of vision. Or as I often state it in a match/post game, "Support would rather lose than build a sight stone." I'll be quite honest - when I get autofilled to support, I go LeBlanc full AP and skip sightstone too. That 800g -does- set you back, and I'd rather play to actually win the lane than just passively farm. I still buy control wards and build FQC for vision, but buying 1st item sightstone would make me useless in lane. Once you get a kill or 2 on the ADC, you will snowball, tilt the enemy, and probably get the enemy ADC/Support to fight each other and tilt everyone else.
Can you post that on an account where you do it? Cause this account is level 18 and unranked. Certainly youre not talking about doing this in unranked matches... Cause Im talking about these assclowns doing this shit in RANKED where youre expected to be trying to win.
: The problem isn't auto full, it's the people who are being autofilled. Autofill is great for everyone because it allows for shorter que times and increases your overall likelihood of playing games in your primary position. However, a lot of individuals chose that trolling for the game is more fun than playing support. These individuals stand out more obviously and make it seem like autofill is bad. Honestly it's a great system and I think it'll get better once people get bored of starring at death timers and realize playing blitz or Zyra And making plays is actually fun.
Here is the thing then. We either need better tools to punish people who ruin the game for their 4 other team mates cause they didnt want to support, or we need some way to stop autofilling assholes into the support position. Either way we go, these people are creating toxic waste of peoples time. No one wants to go into a match and have their ethnicity, religion, sexuality, intelligence continually insulted by some deranged, hateful, bigoted 13 year old... but I think these people trolling on support are just as bad for the game. While I agree that autofill isnt specifically the problem I have, it can easily be argued that the time saved in que timers is lost with all the dodges people do to avoid being autofilled, and is certainly not worth it to get into a match faster where some clown will grief cause they got autofilled.
: So what your saying is the autofill supports are the same as people who que up for supports? In bronze/silver at least.
Most of the supports, in bronze/silver at least, ARE autofilled. A significant percentage do que up and go full AP no sight stone because they think that will get them the win more easily. That or the think skipping the 800 gold of the ss will put them onto damage items sooner which they precive as more fun than the increased loss chance associated with the lack of vision. Or as I often state it in a match/post game, "Support would rather lose than build a sight stone."
6Sfool (NA)
: That has nothing to do with autofill, and everything to do with bad players. Yes, being autofilled can disappoint people, but it does not lead them to act like second midlaners. Their lack of game understanding and social skills is what leads them to troll or feed. Every time I get autofilled, I see it as Riot's way of telling me to switch it up and I gladly take the position.
Thats you. Guess what, if everyone acted the same way in a given situation, or reacted with reason and logic... we wouldnt have wars or prisons. There are assholes in this game, SHOCKING TO FIND OUT!! Youre correct that its on them for acting that way, but the autofill is what triggers them to start doing it from before the match even starts. Yes these people may tilt and act an ass in any lane and troll/feed. When they get support though, they dont even give the match a chance before they start, they just want it to be over. I get that you have an opinion on the mater, but ignoring what happens to others doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
: At the same time, those same autofill trolls who don't build SS and such are on the other team as well (almost always Lux or Brand). But either way, I think sightstone is overrated until you get to mid-high elo, since you'll notice that even laners with yellow trinket simply just don't use it, don't buy control wards, and scream at the 'support' for not doing all of it. Most of the time, these same players don't even look at the map and don't see the Katarina running down river, despite mid spam pinging and typing in chat. TBH, if I was in bronze/low silver, I wouldn't play Janna/Leona/Thresh either and I'd build as carry in that role too. It's too much RNG as to whether your team is completely oblivious or not.
Here is the problem: **_"TBH, if I was in bronze/low silver, I wouldn't play Janna/Leona/Thresh either and I'd build as carry in that role too."_** Thats what the assclowns do. It isnt working for them either... its WHY they wont ever get out of low elo... So what you said is "TBH if I was bronze/low silver, I would just stay there hoping for a gimmick to get me out." Maybe there are people who dont look at minimap, pay attention to pings. So why bother with the people who do. Just throw those tools on the ground. I see these excuses match after match in my games. Im trying to use the information, and I have a player with your mindset telling me "No one uses the information so I wont do it" while Im asking them to do it so I can use the information. So it sounds more like a case of people dont play meta properly because they believe people dont play the meta properly... kinda circular. I can go through my match history and show you my games where Im mid and OUR support isnt building sigh stone, but the opponet support is... I can show you a lot of correlated losses too. I know there are a ton of potatoes in low elo, but people really seem to forget that there are people peppered in doing placements, climbing to their true rank, people ranking up smufs, people smurfing to play with lower elo friends, people draged down on a losing streak from trolls. There are more than a dozen reasons why the person on your team, or enemy team is playing at a Gold or higher level. STILL people just go with "Its Bronze, it dun matter wut I do, its Bronze you can do anything and get away with it, its Bronze counters dont matter, its Bronze meta champs arnt needed.
: I'm going to be honest, I think people complain about Autofill too much.
Yeah, you need to stop imagining stuff about lower elos then. The assclowns in bronze/silver are forced to support, they go full AP no sight stone, kill steal, wont peel for adc, and get hyper aggressive when an enemy is hurt but forget its s 2v2 lane and there are 2 people so they end up feeding gold which makes them act out even more. MOST, as in 51% or greater of the matches I dont que up as support, I get an autofill support that troll picks a top laner or mid laner and MOST of those refuse to build a sight stone, and a few of them dont even know anything about supporting or dont care and start D.Ring and pots... I dont complain about autofill cause I get it, I complain about how the shitty assholes that do act when theyre forced to support. I mean they arnt good in their lanes to begin with most of the time, but they at least dont start the match with a "Who gives a fuck, cant wait for this to end" attitude about their role.
Wanfear (NA)
: A situation like this came up last game while I was playing Darius with a mid Ahri and Cait adc. Let's see how the community responds to criticism: {{champion:103}} {{item:3174}} vs {{champion:55}} {{item:3146}} , Ahri is losing lane big time {{champion:51}} Ahri why did you build Athenes? {{champion:103}} Its a perfect item stfu {{champion:51}} Read the item description. You cant heal or shield other people {{champion:103}} CAIT YOURE 2/6 {{champion:103}} USELESS {{champion:122}} Its a terrible item for Ahri {{champion:103}} no it has ap cdr and mr {{champion:103}} everything i need {{champion:122}} so does abyssal {{champion:122}} morello abyssal is the best build for ahri and like all mages atm {{champion:103}} STFU (proceeds to flame all game) {{champion:51}} (Intentionally feeds)
{{champion:412}} I think Cait is intent feeding... {{champion:122}} OMG Thresh so toxic, mute, reported {{champion:103}} THRESH YOURE 1/5 YOURE FEEDING TOXIC REPORTED Thats how it goes, the person to point anything obnoxious the other players are doing is labeled the "toxic" one and reported.
VulDread (NA)
: That's not griefing, it's off meta, and not reportable or punishable /s Still, by Riot standards, they shouldn't be punished
Excuse me, but not giving a damn if they win or lose because they didnt want to support ISNT OFF META! Dont filter what YOU DO to excuse people who go into the match and say as much as "I dont support, I can just lose this match and move on." There is a difference between off meta and , "fuck all statistics about supports not building sight stone, Id rather lose than support."
Skorch (NA)
: Ive played probably around 30 or so Ranked games
It really depends on where your elo is at. You must not be playing those in Bronze, Silver level. If you have played 30 games at least 6 of those would have had an autofill support on your team, and half of those would have just said "Fuck it, Im not supporting, ff@20 moving on to a game where Im not support."
Almighty (EUNE)
: PSA: You were once a "newb" too.
I just want to thank you for saying "newb" instead of getting it wrong and saying "noob." Thank you. Cause a newb is NEW at stuff. They do silly things cause they dont know better, or understand why they shouldnt. A noob THINKS they know what theyre talking about. They share their generally incorrect opinions on a subject very firmly with no amount of evidence to the contrary being able to penetrate their belief about a games reality. The more you know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3rhQc666Sg
Rioter Comments
Are (NA)
: Please make red trinket automatically upgrade at level 9
I disagree. There are times when I purposefully do not upgrade it. Generally when behind and being in range for the effect to work could be dangerous. The basic sweeper can be cast at a range, and will work at that location for its duration. This means I can throw it on the dragon pit and leave vs having to stay in range till the wards are cleared and to maintain the reveal effects. Usually a few levels later, or another item later I will feel safer upgrading the sweeper to teir 2 when staying in range to block vision, disable traps, and clear wards is safer. Automatically upgrading it would take that away from me.
Rozair (NA)
: So legitimately the 4 man gank bot lane determines who will win the game by 90%
So, proof reading is a lost art. _"... past 20 mind..."_ Yes, the 20 mind, that well known marker. Step one: Step two: _Ugh, how do you spell tree, three, there, ah fuck it!_ Step 3: Heh... well I guess its the intent we should focus on...
Rioter Comments
: Im excited to reach lvl 30 and join the cool kids in ranked
You dont learn about this game playing ranked really. Same reason what you intend to do is why. Other level 30 kids rush into ranked not knowing anything... how do you expect to learn anything from people going in not knowing anything like what your doing? Learning is done outside the game, experience is gained inside the game. Time spent watching videos, reading guides, studying the wiki are how you learn about the game and can be done anytime before level 30. If youre going from 30 straight into ranked, I doubt you will place high bronze. Especially if you think thats how you learn about the game. My advice would be to learn a few champs in normal draft really well (15 or more games), then play as many as you can at least one or two matches before you go in. You wont do this though. You will be like all the other burdens I see in matches with little clue as to what to do, and no one will have the time to explain it to you. They will just expect you to know. It will be your fault for not knowing what to do though, so their flames will be correctly directed at you when you get them. Why should you know? Because it would only take a small percentage of your time to acquire knowledge outside of the game, then bring it into the game. Combine knowledge with experience to develop skill. Good luck I guess.
: One of the major reasons people don't play support; Zero credit
When you said "rewarding" I think you meant satisfying. Your right it does suck, here is the appropriate video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGy5ZJ8cSUE Heres the thing. Here is why I support. I want to win. There are a lot of people with the skills to play their lane/role well. What is often the problem is people who cant support well. If you dont have someone who can do the support role well, or thinks theyre going to rewrite the META by taking kills and CS then those people will languish in lower elos where that may work. A good support, like one who can set up a good Braum ult, and cover the ADC while they breakout their channel ult isnt something everyone can do. Many people fail to understand their supports contribution. Its just like the people who try to argue with the support and call them 0/6 when theyre the support.. conveniently leaving off the 0/6/12 part. Cause if the support had kills, they would be bitching about that... Some people still do recognize the support contribution though. Theyve played support, or main ADC long enough to know when their support is good, and when theyre just "around." Some cant, but some do. Here is the appropriate video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrK6nnzbY3w Its hard to see but they say "gj sup" in the chat. Someone noticed the support contribution, and thanked them. While some notice the good, it seem support only really gets attention if theyre dying a bit more than average, then you get a lot of attention. So thats the support fate atm. If your doing bad, youre shit and everything is your fault, if you doing great... GOOD JOB ADC WAY TO BE AMAZING!!!! :D HERE IS A FREE SKIN! I agree it can be very unsatisfying to be in support position. Cant be helped though. Iv finished games as a mid laner where I went 3/15/19, and getting all kinds of shit from my team. Then at the end, all that shit talk goes away the second they check the damage chart and see that I have 35,000 more damage than anyone else... yeah, I carried every teamfight and if I had gotten peel, Id have all the kills instead of them picking up a broom and cleaning up after me. Instead I get flamed for dying and called a feeder. People dont see the macro game very often, they only see a tiny sliver and think they know it all. This example of my mid game where I 100-30% the entire enemy team, then get jumped on and the team just somehow dosnt notice this contribution is very common. So sorry your not getting that pat on the back man. I know how it is. Im right there with you as a support main. Sucks, but a good support helps win games. Do it cause you want to win. Be the teams glue. Dont really have an appropriate video.... Umm... Ah, here is a highlights video of me and a buddy playing some Overwatch where he does some great healing but doesnt get credit for it... but instead gets credit for offensive assist! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnQkaR_zsTA Good luck, see you on the fields of justice.
: A few things about new LB: She has a bunch of clunkiness to her kit now - she can't punish you in lane as easily as before and has to jump on you with a .25s delay which is enough to fire an ability or auto at her, and if she tags the wave and you with sigil, you have enough time to back off before it primes. You have to hit her back when she jumps on you, and keep minions between you and her at all times unless you have enough mobility to dodge/break the chain. This is the most important thing. If you let her jump on you and don't hit her back, you will lose every single trade. You -have- to hit her when she jumps during that .25s delay. It used to be that you had to predict where and when she was going to W, she is much easier to hit now. Her waveclear was nerfed to 1/4 of what it was on release - it isn't nearly as good as it used to be. She has a lot of potential to screw up. If she hits R in the middle of a combo and you're out of range, she either has to waste her ult, or die since she can't jump back while she has her mimic R abilities selected. She is much less useful late game than she used to be. Champs with hard CC/displacement counter her hard late game, and ADCs can simply shoot her down during the 1.5s delay time. The longer you can stall the game, the lower her chance is of winning, since she can't pick off lone ADCs anymore without a lot of risk. You have to build magic resist if you feed her a kill. Or even if you don't. Get a neg cloak after 2 doran's rings if you're playing an ap mid, or hexdrinker if AD. Go back if you're chunked below 70% of your max hp. She's only good if the person playing her has a lot of practice with her combos and damage potential. op.gg your opponent - if they have less than 50 games on her, go aggressive on her while dodging her W if at all possible. If you can't beat her, you have to ward river, and farm by your turret with neg cloak so she can't oneshot you. If you don't feed her a kill in the first 10 minutes, she will probably fall off hard if your teammates aren't retarded and listen to pings/watch the map. Pick someone who can outscale her (i.e. literally almost every single other character is more useful than her after 30 minutes). Push objectives.
I appreciate all the tips, I did notice however that when It came to trading with her you said as I did it all comes down to REACTING to her GOING IN ON YOU. Its one sided. The counterplay to her shouldnt be "do as much to her as you can when she decides to try and attack you." Playing against her is glorified wackamole, you HAVE to wait for the mole to pop out and then you get to try to wack it... but if the mole doesnt come out... you cant win. If the mole does come out its to WACK YOU and youre only chance is wack it harder... I mean what the utter fuck! I understand she has the openings she has, but the openings are when she attacks... She was a toxic champ cause of her kit pre rework, shes toxic now... why rework them into a different toxic champ. Same thing with Fizz and his auto kill you ult if you dont dodge the Lux E (his ult is actualy bigger than her E with more range and the same travel speed so its harder to dodge). They reworked the champs into a different flavor of shit.
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