Yàsuò (NA)
: Doesn't Riot put a heavy emphasis on "clarity"?
That itself is a bug, the flash is cancelling the animation and making it go off instantly. Idk why it's not fixed.
: well you can't be filled that often as your get fill protected, so, yeh.
> [{quoted}](name=GunsIinger,realm=EUW,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=2nuwNdAO,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-24T11:40:01.583+0000) > > well you can't be filled that often as your get fill protected, so, yeh. The problem isn't me being filled, it's half my team being filled into roles they can't play. Nine out of ten fucking games today have had half my team auto-filled.
Leichy (EUNE)
: I got mid, queued for mid/bottom. Jungle queued for jungle/top. Top auto-filled, queued for mid/support. Support auto-filled, queued for mid/jungle. ADC auto-filled, queued for mid/top 1. 4/5 put mid as primary - this is community issue and this is the reason we need autofill 2. Jungle probably got protected and got his primary 3. Support autofill is obvious since mid and jungle got their primary and were probably protected One out of supp, top and adc would be autofilled no matter what. Top could have gone support, adc top and support autofill top. But my question is - did you talk to each other in chat? Did you trade? "Everyone on this team could have gotten one of their desired roles, but instead, it gave three of them roles they didn't ask for." But you don't know how many games the jungler played as autofill or his secondary, maybe it was his time to finally get the primary role he wants. Things like this sometimes happen, yes, and they should look it up. And let me tell you, role picking was a lot worse.
> [{quoted}](name=Leichy,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=axRwAE56,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2017-01-24T11:11:38.933+0000) > > I got mid, queued for mid/bottom. > Jungle queued for jungle/top. > Top auto-filled, queued for mid/support. > Support auto-filled, queued for mid/jungle. > ADC auto-filled, queued for mid/top > > 1. 4/5 put mid as primary - this is community issue and this is the reason we need autofill > 2. Jungle probably got protected and got his primary > 3. Support autofill is obvious since mid and jungle got their primary and were probably protected > > One out of supp, top and adc would be autofilled no matter what. > Top could have gone support, adc top and support autofill top. > > But my question is - did you talk to each other in chat? Did you trade? > > "Everyone on this team could have gotten one of their desired roles, but instead, it gave three of them roles they didn't ask for." > > But you don't know how many games the jungler played as autofill or his secondary, maybe it was his time to finally get the primary role he wants. > > Things like this sometimes happen, yes, and they should look it up. And let me tell you, role picking was a lot worse. Or, you know, we could sit in queue for 5 minutes instead of 2 minutes and get an actually good game, instead of a one sided clusterfuck because half of one team can't play their roles? If I just wanted to get into a game fast, I'd play normals. And no, this doesn't 'sometimes happen,' it happened to me **nine fucking times today, out of ten games.** Notice that I've been playing since season 1, please tell me more about role picking.
Yenn (NA)
: 3/5 players on my team are auto-filled, what the fuck is this and how is this considered okay?
Demoted for 9 consecutive losses because of this dumb shit. Great game, Riot.
Yenn (NA)
: 3/5 players on my team are auto-filled, what the fuck is this and how is this considered okay?
10th game, jungle is auto-filled. My secondary role was jungle. Their main role was middle.
Yenn (NA)
: 7/8 of my games have had at least 2 people on my team auto-filled. What the fuck, Riot?
JUST KIDDING, MAKE THAT 8/9 GAMES I'm queued for middle/jungle, I get jungle. Middle is auto-filled by someone who queued for jungle/bottom. Fuck this shit.
Yenn (NA)
: 3/5 players on my team are auto-filled, what the fuck is this and how is this considered okay?
8/9 games. Once again, I'm given my secondary role of jungle, while my main role of middle is auto-filled by someone whose main role is jungle.
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Yenn (NA)
: 3/5 players on my team are auto-filled, what the fuck is this and how is this considered okay?
Auto-filled top, auto-filled mid. I'm now at 7/8 games today.
Yenn (NA)
: 3/5 players on my team are auto-filled, what the fuck is this and how is this considered okay?
3/5 lanes autofilled **again**. I'm auto-filled support, middle is auto-filled (my main role), and jungle is auto-filled
: >Everyone on this team could have gotten one of their desired roles, but instead, it gave three of them roles they didn't ask for. Why couldn't they just communicate and switch then?
> [{quoted}](name=tombdragon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=axRwAE56,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-01-24T08:53:33.167+0000) > > Why couldn't they just communicate and switch then? 'Hey, this feature is completely fucked up and busted, but it's okay because there's a work around that doesn't involve Riot fixing or disabling their broken shit' Good post
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Yenn (NA)
: 3/5 players on my team are auto-filled, what the fuck is this and how is this considered okay?
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Yenn (NA)
: 3/5 players on my team are auto-filled, what the fuck is this and how is this considered okay?
Two fucking games in a row, both bottom lane players auto-filled.
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: You can tell who is an old school player and who isn't by how much they hate autofill
> [{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAQxQaxn,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-01-22T21:30:46.681+0000) > > I remember a time when the general consensus was; > "If you don't know how to play every role, you're not ready to play ranked" > > Now it's > "ZMOG I HAVE TO PLAY SUPPORT? WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY ANYTHING EXCEPT [X] CHAMP, FUK U NOW I TROLL U ALL" > > And people support the latter attitude..... what a bunch of entitled , whiny children the community has become, at least it used to be whining about stuff that mattered like balance (By the way, nerf Yasuo and Lee Sin) and disregarding internal ethical protocol at Riot HQ (Remember that Rioter that rage-banned some dude and got fired beacuse of it? that was epic). > > Point is; > GET OFF MY LAWN. > > **Edit**: > I'd like to point out that the people that DID play multiple roles effectively, more easily climbed the ladder than the "I ONLY PLAY RIVEN" types. Play ADC with an auto-filled support and see how well that goes for you.
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: Why does this exist
These were actually good in Season 1/2/3, when games were longer and team fights lasted much longer. Shen and Kennen would be capped by energy, even with refunds.
: Why are you putting ur secondary role as adc lol, if you want your main role, put secondary as mid. simple.
> [{quoted}](name=ned the kled,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EweEk9de,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-22T11:07:55.847+0000) > > Why are you putting ur secondary role as adc lol, if you want your main role, put secondary as mid. simple. Are you illiterate? In other news, now 8/8 for auto-filled support when I get ADC.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Yenn,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=HAITOYXu,comment-id=000300000000000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-22T08:33:52.972+0000) > > Haha yeah, when an 8-0-3 Kha'zix/Rengar jumps on me and 100 to 0's me before my satchel hits the ground, let alone my ult, there's a ton of counter play. > > Are you dumb? Do you even play this game? ? Have you tried sitting further under your tower unless you see them on the map or you have the jungler/support with you? Even better, have you tried actually having an impact on the game so that you prevent them from going 8/0/3? No, you just sit there, fail mechanically, and then bitch when someone who is proactive in a game that's won through proactivity is bending you over and fucking you. And since you're so insistent Season 3 Ziggs 14W 10L 58% 5.2 / 4.7 / 8.3 2.87:1 175.5 CS Season 4 Ziggs 1W 7L 13% 5.5 / 4.4 / 5.1 2.43:1 195.0 CS Ziggs 32W 31L 51% 5.7 / 5.0 / 7.4 2.61:1 178.9 CS You act like you're an expert and that the people you play with are trash abusing cheesy mechanics. You couldn't be further from the truth. You've got a monstrous, bullshit champion and somehow you play him worse now doing a meta in which he's succeeding than one in which he got dicked on by literally any of the meta picks.
> [{quoted}](name=Chairman Rock,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=HAITOYXu,comment-id=0003000000000001000000010000000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-22T08:46:43.791+0000) > > ? > > Have you tried sitting further under your tower unless you see them on the map or you have the jungler/support with you? > > Even better, have you tried actually having an impact on the game so that you prevent them from going 8/0/3? > > No, you just sit there, fail mechanically, and then bitch when someone who is proactive in a game that's won through proactivity is bending you over and fucking you. > > And since you're so insistent > > Season 3 > Ziggs > 14W 10L 58% > 5.2 / 4.7 / 8.3 > 2.87:1 > 175.5 CS > > Season 4 > Ziggs > 1W 7L 13% > 5.5 / 4.4 / 5.1 > 2.43:1 > 195.0 CS > > Ziggs > 32W 31L 51% > 5.7 / 5.0 / 7.4 > 2.61:1 > 178.9 CS > > You act like you're an expert and that the people you play with are trash abusing cheesy mechanics. You couldn't be further from the truth. You've got a monstrous, bullshit champion and somehow you play him worse now doing a meta in which he's succeeding than one in which he got dicked on by literally any of the meta picks. This is one of the dumbest posts you've ever written. If you've never had an 8-0-3 Kha'zix or Rengar jump onto you from behind your tower, or an equally fed Pantheon ult onto your tower and flash the center into you, you're being spoiled by your duo queue abuse. The only 'safe' place in games like this is the fountain. The idea of being able to stop an assassin from getting fed if one of your lanes is shit is equally dumb, and makes me suspect you've never had someone go 0-4-0 in the first 10 minutes, again, probably thanks to your duo queue abuse. You're not going to do shit against a fed assassin as Ziggs, especially early game.
Haunt (NA)
: You're an idiot
> [{quoted}](name=Haunt,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=hB3L1mLg,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-01-21T02:44:01.799+0000) > > You're an idiot Yeah, assassins should be able to one shot me with no counter play because someone on my team was shit and fed them. Very healthy game play. At one point, I bound this Shaco in stealth beside me and combo'd, he ulted, my combo killed him and his clone. The clone explosion took 100% of my health. If he had actually hit me, MR would have done fuck all to stop him. Tons of counter play to this bullshit http://i.imgur.com/hUS7gPy.jpg
: how do you expect riot to catch them? except for the rare cases where they admit what they are doing, its impossible. ive seen people trying to lose in such a way that their own teammates dont know they are doing it.
> [{quoted}](name=MUSHROOM MIDGET,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=QUYH0Xlu,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-22T08:40:17.947+0000) > > how do you expect riot to catch them? except for the rare cases where they admit what they are doing, its impossible. ive seen people trying to lose in such a way that their own teammates dont know they are doing it. It's not rare, they say they don't want to win/want to get out of the game 9/10 times.
Atuko (NA)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Atuko,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=HAITOYXu,comment-id=0003000000000001000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-22T08:34:34.218+0000) > > A fed champion does damage > > Someone stop the presses You're missing the point, that being that Ziggs needs more time to kill them than a burst caster, and fed assassins don't give him the time.
: no way to stop it. you cant Force people to try to win
> [{quoted}](name=MUSHROOM MIDGET,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=QUYH0Xlu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-22T08:33:34.760+0000) > > no way to stop it. you cant Force people to try to win So ban them from ranked? Is this a hard concept? Why would it ever be acceptable to queue for a ranked game and not try to win?
: > [{quoted}](name=Yenn,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=HAITOYXu,comment-id=0003000000000001000000010000,timestamp=2017-01-22T07:47:59.056+0000) > > Actually played a ton of Ziggs in season 3. Good post, though? > > I stopped playing Ziggs because of the reason I stated above. I can't do anything about fed assassins or carries if I'm playing Ziggs, so I have to rely on my team mates to not feed, which isn't viable in solo queue. Lmao your ult knocks squishies down 70% hp if you can't do anything about fed carries that's all on you. op.gg gives me all the information on your past scores as Ziggs. Would you like me to divulge them to the audience or will you just accept you're not knowledgeable or competent on the champion and move on?
> [{quoted}](name=Chairman Rock,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=HAITOYXu,comment-id=00030000000000010000000100000000,timestamp=2017-01-22T08:03:23.130+0000) > > Lmao your ult knocks squishies down 70% hp if you can't do anything about fed carries that's all on you. > > op.gg gives me all the information on your past scores as Ziggs. Would you like me to divulge them to the audience or will you just accept you're not knowledgeable or competent on the champion and move on? Haha yeah, when an 8-0-3 Kha'zix/Rengar jumps on me and 100 to 0's me before my satchel hits the ground, let alone my ult, there's a ton of counter play. Are you dumb? Do you even play this game?
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: > [{quoted}](name=Yenn,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=HAITOYXu,comment-id=00030000000000010000,timestamp=2017-01-22T07:00:20.884+0000) > > Hehe yeah, whatever helps you sleep at night. Has nothing to do with how much of a clusterfuck this season is, you just happened to start duo queuing in the season where it's hardest to impact a game solo. Okay. Yenn you're just butthurt that you ended up Diamond once and are otherwise Plat every season while Rock's D3-2 consistently. Now go make a hundred more threads where you whine and cry nonstop like you have since season 1. Also nice, Ziggs is your most played yet you can't get as high as someone who also plays Ziggs in addition to other mages. You're not known for your Ziggs, you never have been, and just to confirm it I quadruple checked and oh hey look you literally didn't play a single game as him in Season 6. You're abusing him now, purposefully taking a pick that you want to climb with that's "OP", but you're still unable to do that so you lash out at someone who's actually likeable. Maybe Rock duos because unlike you he actually has the capabilities to get friends.
> [{quoted}](name=Best Furry NA,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=HAITOYXu,comment-id=000300000000000100000001,timestamp=2017-01-22T07:38:25.186+0000) > > Yenn you're just butthurt that you ended up Diamond once and are otherwise Plat every season while Rock's D3-2 consistently. > > Now go make a hundred more threads where you whine and cry nonstop like you have since season 1. > > Also nice, Ziggs is your most played yet you can't get as high as someone who also plays Ziggs in addition to other mages. You're not known for your Ziggs, you never have been, and just to confirm it I quadruple checked and oh hey look you literally didn't play a single game as him in Season 6. You're abusing him now, purposefully taking a pick that you want to climb with that's "OP", but you're still unable to do that so you lash out at someone who's actually likeable. > > Maybe Rock duos because unlike you he actually has the capabilities to get friends. Actually played a ton of Ziggs in season 3. Good post, though? I stopped playing Ziggs because of the reason I stated above. I can't do anything about fed assassins or carries if I'm playing Ziggs, so I have to rely on my team mates to not feed, which isn't viable in solo queue.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Yenn,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=HAITOYXu,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-01-22T06:23:19.245+0000) > > 80% of your games are duo queued, do you want to talk about that? > > Do you want some literacy, too? You know what, Yenn? You're right. I have friends. Thus, I don't get solo queue on a conceptual level. Thank you for enlightening me. btw both of my friends that I duo with are regular Diamond Vs, so I'm actually putting more effort into winning than I would solo.
> [{quoted}](name=Chairman Rock,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=HAITOYXu,comment-id=0003000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-22T06:51:42.917+0000) > > You know what, Yenn? You're right. > > I have friends. Thus, I don't get solo queue on a conceptual level. > > Thank you for enlightening me. > > btw both of my friends that I duo with are regular Diamond Vs, so I'm actually putting more effort into winning than I would solo. Hehe yeah, whatever helps you sleep at night. Has nothing to do with how much of a clusterfuck this season is, you just happened to start duo queuing in the season where it's hardest to impact a game solo. Okay.
Malza (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Yenn,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=HAITOYXu,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-01-22T06:18:57.737+0000) > > Ziggs has no defense against a fed assassin, it's impossible to carry with him in solo queue. > Not that you would know what is/isn't good in **solo** queue. Ziggs is broken in solo queue, I get all these new ziggs players in my games and they do extremely well every time.
> [{quoted}](name=Malza,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=HAITOYXu,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2017-01-22T06:50:54.855+0000) > > Ziggs is broken in solo queue, I get all these new ziggs players in my games and they do extremely well every time. That's why his win rate is so high. You can't do **badly** as Ziggs, but you also can't really influence the game, unless the enemy team is extremely bad. He's not good in pure **solo** queue because when you pick him, you rely on your team mates to be moderately okay. Versus an assassin or burst caster, who can potentially deal with a fed champion. tl;dr it doesn't matter how good you are, you're not really going to lose your lane as Ziggs unless you're being dived by a fed assassin. But you're also not going to do shit if your team is losing, aside from prolonging the loss.
Borkahn (NA)
: Literally what all you posted....you had to have time to counter play. I thought you were going to say Q, shunpo, R and you are 80%. But you literally just posted like a chain combo that seems like it would take a good 4 seconds.
> [{quoted}](name=Borkahn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sfVVaegP,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-01-22T06:26:37.073+0000) > > Literally what all you posted....you had to have time to counter play. I thought you were going to say Q, shunpo, R and you are 80%. But you literally just posted like a chain combo that seems like it would take a good 4 seconds. It does take a good 4 seconds. I can unload on her, but my combo is going to do significantly less damage, and I'm done for the next 6 seconds afterwards. She can also juke half of it with Shunpo. If she R's, I'm just going to charm her.
: > [{quoted}](name=Yenn,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=HAITOYXu,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-01-22T06:18:57.737+0000) > > Ziggs has no defense against a fed assassin, it's impossible to carry with him in solo queue. > Not that you would know what is/isn't good in **solo** queue. This is me in Season 6 Ziggs 237.6 CS 3.77:1 KDA 7.9 / 4.5 / 9.0 67% 21 Played This is me Season 7 Ziggs 240.0 CS 4.37:1 KDA 8.0 / 4.4 / 11.1 63% 8 Played And I'm playing a full tier above you. Do you wish to retract that statement?
> [{quoted}](name=Chairman Rock,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=HAITOYXu,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-01-22T06:22:41.951+0000) > > This is me in Season 6 > > Ziggs > 237.6 CS > 3.77:1 KDA > 7.9 / 4.5 / 9.0 > 67% > 21 Played > > This is me Season 7 > > Ziggs > 240.0 CS > 4.37:1 KDA > 8.0 / 4.4 / 11.1 > 63% > 8 Played > > And I'm playing a full tier above you. > > Do you wish to retract that statement? 80% of your games are duo queued, do you want to talk about that? > Ziggs has no defense against a fed assassin, **it's impossible to carry with him in solo queue**. Do you want some literacy, too?
: So Gameplay is finally starting to get sick of Ziggs.
Ziggs has no defense against a fed assassin, it's impossible to carry with him in solo queue. Not that you would know what is/isn't good in **solo** queue.
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: I don't know that a picture from season 4 really helps your point, when that's the one season you do have the forum badge to show your diamond status for. I kinda feel like even if you got to diamond and then didn't play enough such that you decayed, then you don't actually have first hand experience with the ranked diamond queue times of the last couple seasons. Also, a couple seasons ago there was no autofill, and people got forced into their weak roles often enough due to pick order, and you managed to climb then.
> [{quoted}](name=Mysticman89,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RQEk6fyn,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-22T04:33:29.351+0000) > > I don't know that a picture from season 4 really helps your point, when that's the one season you do have the forum badge to show your diamond status for. > > I kinda feel like even if you got to diamond and then didn't play enough such that you decayed, then you don't actually have first hand experience with the ranked diamond queue times of the last couple seasons. > > Also, a couple seasons ago there was no autofill, and people got forced into their weak roles often enough due to pick order, and you managed to climb then. Because most people were proficient in every role, not just two roles, and bottom lane didn't decide 90% of the outcome of the game. And no, I was Diamond last season and the season before that, as well.
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: your previous ranks history on the forums says otherwise but w/e
> [{quoted}](name=The Magyk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RQEk6fyn,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-22T03:57:58.230+0000) > > your previous ranks history on the forums says otherwise but w/e What is decay and how does it work
: i see you were plat last season. well you were one tier below where queue times were getting upwards of 20-40 minutes last season before auto fill existed. i never experienced it myself but i did sit through a couple 10 minute queues for no better reason then no one wanted to support
> [{quoted}](name=The Magyk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RQEk6fyn,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-22T00:55:53.292+0000) > > i see you were plat last season. well you were one tier below where queue times were getting upwards of 20-40 minutes last season before auto fill existed. i never experienced it myself but i did sit through a couple 10 minute queues for no better reason then no one wanted to support I've been Diamond in every season. It didn't happen below Challenger, and that was only because there weren't enough players, period. There's a surplus of support players at higher ratings. http://i.imgur.com/WVZhv40.jpg
: > [{quoted}](name=Yenn,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=zK4MbEXk,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2017-01-22T02:58:40.414+0000) > > Hourglass is unviable as a first item on almost every immobile caster. You'll lose your ability to clear the lane and it does nothing until you complete it. > How is it unviable as a first item when the STANDARD approach for an AP mid laning against an assassin has been to rush this item first for the last umpteen years in a row? Yenn... Are you drunk right now? I want some of whatever you're on buddy. Share the good good mate. Don't hold out on me.
> [{quoted}](name=jaymc1130,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=zK4MbEXk,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-22T03:01:11.092+0000) > > How is it unviable as a first item when the STANDARD approach for an AP mid laning against an assassin has been to rush this item first for the last umpteen years in a row? > > Yenn... > > Are you drunk right now? > > I want some of whatever you're on buddy. Share the good good mate. Don't hold out on me. Rush it on any immobile caster that isn't Xerath and see how well that goes for you. Enjoy losing first tower, because you're going to be struggling to clear the wave and OOM 90% of the time. Nobody rushes Zhonya right now. Before mana regen changes, yes.
: > [{quoted}](name=Yenn,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=zK4MbEXk,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-01-22T02:11:22.794+0000) > >They would have to spend all of the gold on defensive stats, which isn't viable at mid lane. > Right... {{item:3157}} Right... {{item:3155}} Nah, U RIte Yenn bb.
> [{quoted}](name=jaymc1130,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=zK4MbEXk,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2017-01-22T02:26:19.988+0000) > > Right... > > {{item:3157}} > > Right... > > {{item:3155}} > > Nah, U RIte Yenn bb. Hourglass is unviable as a first item on almost every immobile caster. You'll lose your ability to clear the lane and it does nothing until you complete it. Hexdrinker won't keep up with AP assassins (which is really only Akali, Ekko, and Diana, but Diana has actual counter play) building pure offense.
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