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: > [{quoted}](name=Yenn,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=RWmfMJkx,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-01-21T06:46:14.651+0000) > > So we can stop bottom lane from deciding 90% of the outcome of every game based on who turns it into a 4-man clusterfuck/who hits 6 first. Wouldn't that buff turtle comps though?
> [{quoted}](name=Trolosaurus,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=RWmfMJkx,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-21T06:47:56.424+0000) > > Wouldn't that buff turtle comps though? I'd rather have this than the bullshit we have now, where the game is decided at 8 minutes. You're not realistically going to be just turtling that early.
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Yenn (NA)
: Make immobile casters actually able to play the game when an assassin is fed
Hehe my Jayce is 0-5-0 to Pantheon, who just dropped onto my turret and killed my Lux from 100% before I could finish my ult animation. Very fun, tons of counter play. Then I get back to lane and the 3-0-2 Lee Sin ward hopped from chickens, kicked me out of the tower, and simultaneously chunked 80% of my health. Super fun, tons of counter play here.
Yenn (NA)
: Outplaying Lee Sin by juking his Q and sidestepping his ward hop is really fun and rewarding
Still dumb as fuck. Now instead of killing you, it chunks 80% of your health, and whatever else is in your lane finishes the other 20%. Either the root needs to go, or it needs to go on a short cooldown after ward hopping.
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Jamaree (NA)
: Sorry Yenn, you aren't Diamond, your opinion means nothing, you said so yourself. :^)
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=8bYpHGa9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-20T23:41:14.637+0000) > > Sorry Yenn, you aren't Diamond, your opinion means nothing, you said so yourself. :^) Maybe I would be if the entire outcome of the game wasn't decided by which team kills bottom's tower at 8 minutes
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Yenn (NA)
: It's 2017, why is it so hard to detect and stop scripters?
Jk, I still have this gif from season 3. Notice Akali briefy hold position. http://i.imgur.com/KEeKdQC.gif
: Video?
> [{quoted}](name=Odd Gnome,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2Esg51PJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-20T05:47:40.762+0000) > > Video? There's no reason to, everyone has seen it and it's horribly obvious. They immediately take the fastest path (usually perpendicular) to avoid skill shots and hold position briefly, as it's preventing them from walking back into it in a panic. The holding position just at the edge of it is the give away.
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: Bot lane is the hardest lane because you aren't alone anyway. You have to work together. And so when 4 people roam bot, 2 people get mad. Usually ends the game right there.
> [{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OWTvwwmN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-19T07:25:42.521+0000) > > Bot lane is the hardest lane because you aren't alone anyway. You have to work together. And so when 4 people roam bot, 2 people get mad. Usually ends the game right there. Yeah, it's definitely people being mad, not the 400 gold + 2 kill + usually dragon advantage that snowballs into two more towers + loss of jungle control.
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: More like bot lane is decided by which team ganks first. Can be winning lane but that doesn't matter due to the strength of ganks right now
> [{quoted}](name=Hexs Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=3y1ah7Yn,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-19T05:44:13.066+0000) > > More like bot lane is decided by which team ganks first. Can be winning lane but that doesn't matter due to the strength of ganks right now No, it's not. Most of the time, one side of bottom lane is behind, the other hits 6 and coordinates a 4-man gank, and the game is done. You can't defend against the gank because your bottom lane is level 5. Even in my last game, we somehow successfully defended a 5-man ganks, one person died, we got four kills + dragon, and tower is intact. Bottom lane didn't recall after. Enemy team returns to bottom lane, kills our ADC and support, proceeds to take two towers, and snowballs into winning the game. This is dumb as fuck. Bottom lane making one mistake that early in the game should not cause an unstoppable snowball.
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Sub HeroCro (EUNE)
: Building Defensive stats on Lux and most of assassins are bad nowdays (Lux is sort of an assassin in a way) People call me crazy for not going mr vs annie as le bl. But from experience I know that if i go mr I will still fking die if her tibbers hit and i ll lack dps because of negatron Thats why I just try to bait out tibbers by doing le bl dashing combos sending clones etc. With lux you can just outrange her unless she flashes If at any point unless you are ahead you are building defensive item you are surrendering a lane
> [{quoted}](name=Sub HeroCro,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kkPiiAs5,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-19T06:03:38.980+0000) > > Building Defensive stats on Lux and most of assassins are bad nowdays (Lux is sort of an assassin in a way) > > > People call me crazy for not going mr vs annie as le bl. But from experience I know that if i go mr I will still fking die if her tibbers hit and i ll lack dps because of negatron > > Thats why I just try to bait out tibbers by doing le bl dashing combos sending clones etc. > > > > With lux you can just outrange her unless she flashes > > > > > If at any point unless you are ahead you are building defensive item you are surrendering a lane Except Annie rushes MS items + is usually runs MS quints. If she gets air drake, you're pretty much fucked, she doesn't need Flash to get in range of you from max E range, and binding her from long range while she has that much speed requires her to be bad. The point is that this is unhealthy game play with no chance for counter-itemization or counter play.
Snowman Arc (EUNE)
: They had to do the FB tower, so that we won't be seeing any more lane swaps in pro play, and I like it. Lane swaps were boring and thank god they are over.
> [{quoted}](name=Snowman Arc,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oQJcp0i8,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-01-19T05:23:35.667+0000) > > They had to do the FB tower, so that we won't be seeing any more lane swaps in pro play, and I like it. Lane swaps were boring and thank god they are over. Cool, because pro play should trump the enjoyment of the game for everyone else. ? ? ?
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Yenn (NA)
: Can we fix the game so one bad player can't completely fuck over their entire team at 8 minutes?
Just happened again. Bottom lane is behind, but I'm 3-1-2 at middle lane. Then bottom tower goes down and suddenly I'm being dived from 100% by four champions at 7 minutes, which snowballs out of control and ends the game.
Calabok (NA)
: like what? shoot some intelligence over the airwaves at the guy? lol
> [{quoted}](name=Calabok,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oQJcp0i8,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-19T04:06:40.773+0000) > > like what? shoot some intelligence over the airwaves at the guy? lol Like not allowing one 'play' in the early game snowball out of control
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: Sounds like improper positioning to me. Most beuisers are fairly immoble so kiting makes you basically invincible to them. Not to mention the zyra snare and ult. Sounds like they won due to skill, not team build.
> [{quoted}](name=Zezockary,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iMf8ae9I,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-18T09:15:06.990+0000) > > Sounds like improper positioning to me. Most beuisers are fairly immoble so kiting makes you basically invincible to them. Not to mention the zyra snare and ult. > > Sounds like they won due to skill, not team build. Cool, Zyra snares the Irelia for 1 second and then she Bladesurges into the carry and it's dead within the next 3 seconds. Maybe our Darius pulls Irelia away and cripples her, but then what do we do about the Trundle and Lee Sin both running into her at 500 MS? You have no idea what you're talking about.
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: LB can never oneshot you with RW -> Q unless she is 12/1, level 16+ and you're 0/15, have zero magic res, and she has mejai's at full stacks. I agree she's strong and overtuned, but don't exaggerate your claims.
> [{quoted}](name=LeBlanc or Troll,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Rn5zE754,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-18T08:07:23.509+0000) > > LB can never oneshot you with RW -> Q unless she is 12/1, level 16+ and you're 0/15, have zero magic res, and she has mejai's at full stacks. > > > I agree she's strong and overtuned, but don't exaggerate your claims. Except I just had a late game where both teams were 18 + full build, and LeBlanc killed me through my Lux from 100% through Abyssal + W with WRQ + Ignite after I flashed her first Distortion and sidestepped chains.
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: The next ranged cancer up top lane will be Ziggs
Ziggs gets shit on by almost everything in top lane that has mobility. Even at mid lane, if top decides it wants to come dive you, you're not going to be able to stop it.
: KiteAzure is probably really attractive irl
TS Media (NA)
: One kill isn't nearly enough to snowball out of control... especially at lvl 1. You can easily stop the bleeding.
> [{quoted}](name=TS Media,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Xtdd6wAY,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-17T09:06:24.842+0000) > > One kill isn't nearly enough to snowball out of control... especially at lvl 1. You can easily stop the bleeding. Except it is. Fiora will reach level 6 first and kill him again, and any attempts to gank that get counter-ganked pre-6 will result in a double kill. If you wait until after 6, Fiora can potentially 1v2 with her advantage.
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Escheton (EUW)
: So you got farmed once every 5 minutes? Thats not too bad.
> [{quoted}](name=Escheton,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QN3gahs6,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-01-17T05:54:47.409+0000) > > So you got farmed once every 5 minutes? Thats not too bad. No, she did the same thing with Ghost first, then did it with Flash, then did it with Ghost again. At which point my tower was gone, because I haven't been able to stay in my lane for more than 10 seconds in the past 4 minutes.
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: How bad can you be for someone to "miss" everything and still kill you XD
> [{quoted}](name=LeafSteel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QN3gahs6,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-17T05:50:58.703+0000) > > How bad can you be for someone to "miss" everything and still kill you XD ? ? ? > This Anivia is missing everything, including her R. She just flashes into me, throws a wall behind me, whiffs Q, puts R too far to hit me, **and the jungle kills me as I'm unable to escape**. How bad do you have to be to be illiterate in 2017
: Actually they're sharing 2 kills gold/xp amongst 4 players... not that bad. Now if they get your turret... that's bad :p rush back to secure your turret asap.
> [{quoted}](name=Fraggleroc,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o9UEiwPe,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-01-17T05:48:58.580+0000) > > Actually they're sharing 2 kills gold/xp amongst 4 players... not that bad. Now if they get your turret... that's bad :p rush back to secure your turret asap. This is why we need rank restricted forums. Half of the posts in this thread are stupid and show a lack of understanding of how the game works. The tower is going to die from 100% before you respawn if there are four champions hitting it. Which anyone above Bronze should already be aware of.
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: That's not really tilting. That happens on both sides, and doesn't really make me mad per se. What is tilting is when enemy is up 7 kills, has 3 turrets, including turret first blood, and 2 dragons before 12 minutes, has late game hyper carries like Vayne and Yasuo, and your team is all "just group & play we outscale". No, and the very fact you don't realize that we're in huge trouble and have less than a 10% chance of winning is extremely tilting. Grouping as 5 when you're that far behind is retarded. Oh, but can't split push or you'll get "?" ping spammed and yelled at in /allchat and reported at the end for 'not helping', and then the rest of the team purposely makes stupid-ass decisions and engages all 5, because they can just fall back and blame you for everything as you're trying to get objectives while the rest of your team plays ARAM at outer mid turret. That is what makes me hate this game.
> [{quoted}](name=LeBlanc or Troll,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o9UEiwPe,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-17T04:18:13.127+0000) > > That's not really tilting. > > What is tilting is when enemy is up 7 kills, has 3 turrets, including turret first blood, and 2 dragons before 12 minutes, has late game hyper carries like Vayne and Yasuo, and your team is all "just group & play we outscale". > > No, and the very fact you don't realize that we're in huge trouble and have less than a 10% chance of winning is extremely tilting. Grouping as 5 when you're that far behind is retarded. > > Oh, but can't split push or you'll get "?" ping spammed and yelled at in /allchat and reported at the end for 'not helping'. > > That is what makes me hate this game. Except it's not about tilting, it's about the first tower bonus and shutting down your ADC's ability to generate gold, which snowballs into mid + top tower gold and objective control.
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