Can we talk about Viktor and Viktor changes? @Meddler

_**> [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=EE1fImt5,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-01-31T16:49:45.654+0000) > > Concern we were buffing Viktor more than intended. Ult CD probably doesn't do that much, went meant pulling the Q augment shield buff or the E CD. We've think Viktor should be a bit tankier than he is later in the game, given his combat ranges do require him to get closer than many mages, so the shield buff was the change we have the higher confidence in. > > If the Q and ult buffs don't move him enough we'd consider the E buff again for 8.4.**_ I'm interested to know why you thought you were buffing Viktor too much, as currently he's one of the weakest and lowest winning champions in their main role. (mid) His repeated nerfs when Rylai's was stronger, and his lack of buffs once Rylai's was not an optimal choice anymore has left him much worse off. He's one of the only champs in the game where if you can just camp him mid or keep him behind and prevent him from unlocking his waveclear DLC he becomes dead weight. I do agree the Q shield buff is a step in the right direction. I think he currently performs better as a tanky mage and more shield is welcome, but he still leaves a lot to be desired. Where exactly is his niche? His Ultimate ticks need to be faster, every 2 seconds is way too inconsistent and feel awful. It's not like it's that easy to keep it on the enemy anymore like It used to be. That's his real problem, he's inconsistent as hell. His E aftershock is inconsistent, his R is inconsistent, and Rylai's isn't a good option anymore. I thought lowering his E cooldown 1 second and/or even shaving off 10 mana was fair, as 110 mana at max rank for his E seems a bit excessive. It's incredibly hard to trade with his E early on and with the new minion agro changes it's hard to trade with his Q also, it just feels like wasted mana using his E to harass early game. Overall I'm disappointed that a lot of this is being shelved. I just read another comment from a rioter about the Nunu buffs and eventual changes after, that they'd rather "overshoot" the mark then bring them back down rather than not give enough. I know winrate isn't everything but he's sitting at 46% as of right now and gets destroyed by a lot of meta mids (Xerath, Azir) It's taken this long just for him to get looked at, I don't want these Q changes to go through, increase his winrate by a miniscule amount, then have to wait another few months for another pass around. Thanks,
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