Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=0minous,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OPFfPY2u,comment-id=00030001000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-28T20:34:26.720+0000) > > I've seen this Pika Fox person in other forums. Literally all they do is suck up to rito, so there is legit no good reason to argue with them. For what reason this player is doing that I don't know, maybe trying to farm upvotes? However it's a good ground basis to leave your logical opinions and arguments by replying to their bait posts. Ive criticized riot multiple times, the idea that all i do is suck up to riot is stupid. That doesnt mean im not gunna call out the people on the forums that are clearly wrong, which is far more often than riot is, generally because of magnitude. There are far more people posting than riot makes decisions.
: Lmfao..
Seems riot is only getting worse with their punishments.
Nagake (EUNE)
: Perma banned for a single insult while being the one that was insulted all game
Imagine giving an old time player an undeserving ban as the actual 10 year anniversary. PogChamp rito
Pika Fox (NA)
: Their actions are irrelevant, your actions are the only ones that matter for your punishment. Given you were permad, this is not your first rodeo.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OPFfPY2u,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-10-28T00:03:05.723+0000) > > Their actions are irrelevant, your actions are the only ones that matter for your punishment. Given you were permad, this is not your first rodeo. So you are saying that you agree that doing what he did is punishable? Also I have to disagree, being provoked plays a big part.
Nagake (EUNE)
: Perma banned for a single insult while being the one that was insulted all game
You got frustrated by your teammates behaving unfairly, being afk and blaming/threatening you. And typed one innocent insult in the end in order to vent out your frustration? You had a valid natural human reaction to something bad that has happened to you in game? How dare you.. you are a monster. You are the most baddest toxic man alive. Jokes aside, it's really weird to have someone being perma banned for something like this, even banned in the first place. I would suggest to have this case manually checked and provide a proper punishment, if there is a punishment to give for this in the first place. Aren't people supposed to get muted for typing something offensive, rather than perma banned? I checked stats it doesn't seem like this player was inting or feeding either.
Rioter Comments
: That's why people complain about the LOL report system...
System only tracks what you say on chat. So if you troll while acting nice or not saying anything in chat ya won't get banned.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=0minous,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HA7REldU,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2019-07-29T14:05:25.250+0000) > > Yet it takes them less than a minute to ban players for being toxic in chat, almost instantaneously? Even unfairly banning them? I myself got a 2 week straight up ban for talking back to a flamer and inter in game. Why not just chat ban me or warn me? For having a valid human reaction to something distasteful. And now you're trying to tell me oh it takes time to ban someone like this. Dude, he didn't get banned, 30 games, tickets, reports, days. Yes, because chat is automated? An AI can detect of you dropped the n bomb in chat. An AI cant figure out if you died 20 times because of a smurf, playing an off game, or if you just intentionally died.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HA7REldU,comment-id=00020000000000010000,timestamp=2019-07-29T14:07:36.637+0000) > > Yes, because chat is automated? > > An AI can detect of you dropped the n bomb in chat. An AI cant figure out if you died 20 times because of a smurf, playing an off game, or if you just intentionally died. Okay, but it doesn't detect context. I think people who do their job, reports and tickets can judge based on context and circumstances. Point is why hide posts like those?
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Nagake,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HA7REldU,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-29T13:54:56.512+0000) > > But he has reported himself in tickets so it was literally pointed out to them that he is inting.. read before you comment the terrible argument You realize it takes numerous days for them to even get to player report tickets, right? And its not like its an instant auto ban, the best they can do is forward it for investigation. Again, this requires manual review, and theres thousands of these to review per day. The proof is objectively bad.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HA7REldU,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T13:56:42.772+0000) > > You realize it takes numerous days for them to even get to player report tickets, right? And its not like its an instant auto ban, the best they can do is forward it for investigation. > > Again, this requires manual review, and theres thousands of these to review per day. > > The proof is objectively bad. Yet it takes them less than a minute to ban players for being toxic in chat, almost instantaneously? Even unfairly banning them? I myself got a 2 week straight up ban for talking back to a flamer and inter in game. Why not just chat ban me or warn me? For having a valid human reaction to something distasteful. And now you're trying to tell me oh it takes time to ban someone like this. Dude, he didn't get banned, 30 games, tickets, reports, days.
: > [{quoted}](name=Nagake,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ec9EzYAq,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-29T13:25:29.976+0000) > > The post is not what is encouraging it, its NOT GETTING PUNISHED FOR IT~ But thats just my opinion As I recall, at some point the poster had said "do this yourselves to spite the system" and that part had been removed. If the discussion had gone to "let's show that the system is flawed by exploiting its inability to punish clearly toxic behavior", it could result in a thread deletion.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ec9EzYAq,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T13:33:54.580+0000) > > As I recall, at some point the poster had said "do this yourselves to spite the system" and that part had been removed. If the discussion had gone to "let's show that the system is flawed by exploiting its inability to punish clearly toxic behavior", it could result in a thread deletion. Imagine actually fixing the broken system rather than trying to cover up so that players don't abuse your pepega system. Oof.
Rioter Comments
Gabriyel (NA)
: Don't ever reply to toxicity
It's true, I got a 2 week *ban* for talking back to someone who was flaming me. I don't even remember ever getting warned or chat muted prior to that. Funny thing is I'd constantly get daily notifications and be congratulated about being such an amazing and honorable player that people love to play with (300% more honors and such), and then minutes later the ban claiming that the majority of players don't like playing with me and find me toxic. A little confusing and contradicting. But anyways, ya gotta realize that league isn't a social game, so no point in trying to socialize in an unsocial game. It's best to rarely say anything or just give in game calls. Pings and "k" in chat is more than enough lmao. Think of it being like sitting in a tournament match. And if you want to be social, play some WoW or something. Where you get to chill & play and chat. A game like league is meant to be antisocial, you just queue in with randoms, using each other for elo or whatever and then most of them ya won't be seeing ever again. So no need to talk to anyone. Else you can just call this game league of reporting.
Rioter Comments
: that's not trolling? you're playing off meta and that's completely fine. Hope you find a better group next time for goofing off.
Yeah I know it's not exactly "trolling". Though it kind of is.. but it seems the game has transformed itself in a way so that the only way to troll is to feed your ass off 0/20 and going afk. Which is not fun at all, I like my trolling to be fun for the whole family. I hope so too, thanks.
: Since normals have their own MMR there's no way to know how high or low your MMR is. You might be gold in ranked but have a bronze MMR in normals. This is why you get such ridiculous match making in normal games sometimes. In general though if you have a high MMR and you queue up with a lower ranked friend then the matchmaking system will try to balance the teams by giving the enemy team a higher ranked person as well. However, you aren't guaranteed to have both high ranked players in the same lane. For example, the enemy team may have a gold top laner and a bronze mid laner while your team has a bronze top laner and a gold mid laner. Obviously in this scenario your team will most likely lose top lane hard and win mid lane hard so it will come down to which lane snowballed the hardest. Since you are trolling that means that the enemy team will often snowball harder than you.
That makes sense. Thanks for your comment ^^
: Both parties have fault as far as I'm concerned. You and your buddy could have simply stated, even if you wanted to "troll", that you were both going to try something different. By not doing so and without the 'intention' to win, you could both be reported for refusal to communicate. Your team mates also could not have been closed minded bigots. With it simply being blind they could still play their game. This is how "OP Off Meta" can be tested and found before ranked. I would actually be curious to try Fiora JG with Bloodrazor, but would probably go bots, blind (with telling what I want to do), and more blind until I determined if it worked I admit I would have questioned your picks, but I would also support you with a simple, "Odd, but I will choose to trust and believe in you." Then play my game. TLDR: Mention what you want to try (even if troll.) Your team mates may be okay with it. (Like mine when I tried Rek'sai Support.)
True, we could have stated in champion select screen to our team that we were having some fun with weird picks, rather than just talking between ourselves. But I doubt that would stop them from flaming and feeding. People are just overall really unpleasant in this game. And the number of bad teammates drastically increases when I duo with a friend. But is a win really that important in blind pick? More important than just going and being creative and having fun? :/ I guess the only good thing I got out of it is that I accidentally found out Soraka can counter Vlad and teams really well with Fiora jungle thanks to their constant heals.
: >The issue is you've revealed that you're playing knowing that you're giving the team a handicap. How well you play afterwards is irrelevant. ... > [{quoted}](name=ominousgamer,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FtZkQ1WL,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-04-19T14:58:57.102+0000) > > Again, we did not have the intention of winning. ... >Though these toxic teammates only show up when I duo with friends, so again. Is this how the system works? Duo with a friend = you get 3 really bad and toxic teammates?? I would say that's just bad luck.
So how exactly was I giving my team a handicap? Seems like there is a lot of bad luck going on these days eh? Still you're drifting away from my main point. My main point is this game became untrollable because of just how bad and toxic the majority of the community is. And that's a really bad thing imo.
: when i play normals i always troll. draven jungle, soraka mid, etc. if the game lasts too long i int feed until we lose. trolling is the purpose of normals imo
Well you look like someone who can have fun at parties m8, and I mean that
: One game doesn't mean that you're always the best even when you're trolling. In your Soraka game you were much higher rated than everyone else on your team so I'd expect you to outperform them, even on something like Soraka mid. However, if we compare you to someone of equal rank on the opposite team we can see that you underperformed greatly by comparison. Unfortunately the matchmaking system assumes you are trying to win. If you purposely troll games then your MMR will tank and you will be paired up with worse and worse people. This will make it easier and easier for you to troll but still be the most productive person on your team. Additionally, this game may also just be random luck. With a sample size of 1 there's all sorts of room of error. If you trolled 10 games and outperformed your team in over half of them then that would be a stronger case.
I see. So even blind pick has that mmr thingy, and it's not random at all. Well, no worries. That was the first and only time I try to have fun and troll pick in league. I'll be playing this game for the occasional try hard rankeds since it's the same thing but with a visible rank. So if I duo with a buddy that is lower elo than me, the game will try to average out the both teams to the same mmr, resulting in the enemy team having overall more skill than mine and putting me in a position where I have to solo carry?
: If you were picking Soraka mid with the intention of winning the game because you feel like you can do well with her, then it wouldn't be an issue. The issue is you've revealed that you're playing knowing that you're giving the team a handicap. How well you play afterwards is irrelevant. For example, people win 4v5s, but that doesn't mean that afk'ing is unpunishable. If you want to fool around on your team and not play to win, make a full pre-made and queue. But if you have anyone on your team that wants to win and you make a decision that you know hinders your team from winning, that's a no go.
That's true, I completely agree with you. However, that was absolutely not the case. I think my global heal gave them an edge :) all the while I was winning my lane. Or does picking Soraka mid handicap my team mentally so that they play really bad the whole game, and only focus on flaming me? Though these toxic teammates only show up when I duo with friends, so again. Is this how the system works? Duo with a friend = you get 3 really bad and toxic teammates??
: Even if it's Normals, you're still playing with people who sacrificed 20 minutes of their life to try enjoy a game without having someone spamming the "_An Ally Has Been Slain_" announcement. Additionally, you also claimed to have been "trying to troll" with your Soraka mid pick. Watch how you play your own shit, and don't come crying back here if you ever get yourself a chat restriction or suspension in the future.
Man, you really seem to be misunderstand me, it also seems you haven't read my whole post. I was the one looking at the "An Ally Has Been Slain" the whole game while I was winning my mid lane against a Vlad as Soraka. I will never get a chat restriction in my life, I can bet you that. I never flame anyone for feeding and I'm never offensive towards people in game. Though I can talk back sometimes, but I never start it. And I absolutely certainly never troll pick on ranked where you're actually supposed to try your best to win. All I want to know is, does duo-ing with a friend match us with horrible teammates intentionally? Like is that how the system works? Because it really looks as if that's the case. When I go solo I rarely get those kinds of teams.
o Maui o (NA)
: Off-meta picks and builds are perfectly fine so long as you're trying to win the game. Flaming and feeding isn't. Their behavior should certainly be reported and punished.
Okay, yeah I agree with you. The problem is that this seems to be a reoccurring issue and it's really bothering me. I am just getting really worried for this game :P
: > The system doesn't allow to have fun in this game anymore? What is "fun" to those who doesn't understand wtf you're trying to do, just like your teammates? Don't just selfishly think of yourself, you got strangers as your teammates in your games too.
I don't know why playing Soraka mid on blind pick and having some fun is a good reason for someone to get so triggered over and be so confused as to "wtf I'm trying to do". It's a fucking game.. you're supposed to have fun laughs and giggles while playing a game. Oh right, the community just became really bad, that's why. Kids sweating over normals games... damn. It's even worse because I became the one carrying as Soraka mid while the flamers kept feeding and shit talking with their meta picks.
o Maui o (NA)
: Apologies, I confused your thread with another. I edited my reply while you were posting this reply
Oh no problem, I'll edit mine too then
: That is fine when you are in a full premade, but if you are a part of a team, you have to take your teammates into consideration as well. You can't just barge all over them to forcefeed them your idea of fun, while completely disregarding theirs. so by all means, derp around a bit. Play off meta, do weird picks. But at least try to give your all and win - your teammates do deserve that minimum of respect from you.
You seem to be missing the point. My point is we actually ended up not feeding and were just straight up doing better than our team, as opposed to what they were doing, feeding and flaming. It seems to be a repeating pattern every time I try to duo with a friend, we get really bad teammates, bad as in bad players and bad attitudes. So bad that even when we try to troll, the teammates end up being the actual trolls + feeders. It forces us to go solo in order to get normal teams which completely defies the point of this game. I just want to know whether that is the way the system works, because if it is I am uninstalling this game.
o Maui o (NA)
: You are not allowed to do that. If you want to play a fun game without trying to win, don't queue with strangers, play in a custom game with friends.
Alright, fair enough. I guess normals became ranked too. If having fun is not acceptable and being a flamer/feeder is acceptable then I am finally done with this game, as is everyone I know. Was fun while it lasted, kind of. //I don't understand what you mean? What system is working as intended? The system doesn't allow to have fun in this game anymore?
o Maui o (NA)
: Taking an off-meta pick with the intention of winning the game isn't trolling.
Again, we did not have the intention of winning, just having fun was our intention. And it absolutely failed thanks to the community.
: You're probably being downvoted because you used the word "trolling" wrong. Trolling imo is intentionally trying to ruin a game - whatever way that may be. As long as you are truly trying to win, it's not trolling.
Ah, I see what you mean. But that's exactly my point.. we were *trying* to troll but we failed at that attempt. We were not trying to win. We were trying to play the game and have fun.
0minous (EUNE)
: Can't troll, fix please
Rather than voting up or down I would like to encourage you to post a comment here and contribute to the discussion. I would really like to have some information and to know more about this issue. Thank you.
Rioter Comments
: Ahri orb is a projectile that isnt targeted. Blitz e is an aa enhancement and Poppy e is a targeted ability. Blitz Auto takes some time so it can begin Casting and you Cast e before the Auto Hits. Yi is taken of the Map completly while in alpha. Fizz is Just untargetable, but not invulnerable to already Casting abilitys. With Poppy e it's probably a Timing thing Not Sure, but I don't think LB can w when shes already beeing moved by Poppy.
I'm pretty sure Fizz e can dodge auto attacks though.
Rioter Comments
: RIOT PLEASE LET US REPORT IN CHAMPION SELECT
I agree. There should also be a report option when we search their summoner profile. I really don't understand how there isn't an option for that..

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