: > Why we even have reporting if the amount doesn't matter? ...I don't understand this question. Why should number of reports matter in regards to punishments? Do you really, legitimately want the IFS to autopunish you if you're reported by 9 people? Reporting is there so that players can ping Riot through the IFS that someone's behavior is unsportsmanlike, in breach of the rules, or otherwise making the game un-fun. The reason that the amount of reports doesn't matter is because _having a system that would punish people simply for being reported by x number of players per-game would be unfair and ultimately broken._ Players are punished for their behavior, _not_ for the amount of reports they receive. > Why you and Riot try to say it would be so stupidly designed that one guy crying is the same as 9 people reporting a guy? Likewise, I don't understand what you mean here. If mass-reports mattered in regards to punishments, then the system would be fundamentally broken - people could just spam reports against anyone and everyone and inevitably, with enough people doing the same thing, the system would start issuing a lot of punishments to players who don't deserve it. One report is the same as nine reports; it's a boolean flag, meaning that the IFS checks for one of two values. Either zero, which indicates that no report was filed, or any value greater than zero, indicating that a player has been reported. After that, the number of reports _do not matter_. The player's behavior does. And that's not stupid design. It makes it so that people can't abuse the system by rallying for mass reports to ensure one person gets punished when they don't deserve it.
> Why should number of reports matter in regards to punishments? Isn't it obvious? Because pissing off 9 people by verbal abuse is worse than pissing off one person? Or 9 people thinking a guy is feeding means that the guy was actually more likely to be feeding compared to being reported by only one person? Since IFS is bad to detect verbal abuse and especially feeding, utilizing the report data should be a priority. > Do you really, legitimately want the IFS to autopunish you if you're reported by 9 people? No autopunish but getting reported by only 1 party shouldn't even trigger a review. It's just someone being mad. Getting more reports should push the person closer to the punishment threshold. > Players are punished for their behavior, not for the amount of reports they receive. Why not just remove reporting and review everyone then? > If mass-reports mattered in regards to punishments, then the system would be fundamentally broken - people could just spam reports against anyone and everyone and inevitably, with enough people doing the same thing, the system would start issuing a lot of punishments to players who don't deserve it. Could be solved by limiting the reports. Let's say you get 1 report per game and you can have max 10 reports stacked. Or disqualifying the reports from players who report much more than average.
: Getting x9 reported wouldn't matter if you're not breaking the rules. You don't need to defend yourself from people who rally false reports against you, and frankly, "defending yourself" against report rallying typically only leads to validating those reports in the first place and resulting in a punishment. The IFS doesn't care how many people report you. More reports != greater odds of punishment. It only takes _one_ report for the IFS to review your behavior, and if that review turns up with no evidence of rules being broken? You don't get punished. More reports do not affect the review or your odds of getting punished in any way.
> [{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6PKEVU27,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-03T21:05:29.957+0000) > > Getting x9 reported wouldn't matter if you're not breaking the rules. You don't need to defend yourself from people who rally false reports against you, and frankly, "defending yourself" against report rallying typically only leads to validating those reports in the first place and resulting in a punishment. > > The IFS doesn't care how many people report you. More reports != greater odds of punishment. It only takes _one_ report for the IFS to review your behavior, and if that review turns up with no evidence of rules being broken? You don't get punished. More reports do not affect the review or your odds of getting punished in any way. Why we even have reporting if the amount doesn't matter? Why you and Riot try to say it would be so stupidly designed that one guy crying is the same as 9 people reporting a guy?
: turning off ally chat works.
yeah be losing lane... then you see in chat [All] Enemy: for what? [All] Enemy: im just better than him [All] Enemy: okay if you insist then u realize ur getting x9 reported because you didn't get to defend yourself in time.
TiltM3 (EUW)
: Perm banned
Riot rather bans a guy annoyed about hate speech than the actual bigot... pro ban system XD
Xphineas (NA)
: Yeah, the way the report system works is; if someone reports you the game is flagged, doesnt matter if you are 9x reported, any number of reports flags the game. If you didnt do anything wrong, perfect, no punishment! But if you did, you will get punished
That's what riot says as they hope people would stop report calling. I think in reality x9 reports weigh more than one. It would make no sense to get banned because ONE guy was annoyed about you.
keisie (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Aryan MasterRage,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qiPFxtE2,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2019-06-18T15:38:06.401+0000) > > So nightblue did everyone a service by getting a griefer banned and he should be banned for that? Just why? https://www.twitch.tv/nightblue3/clip/FragileFairOxAMPEnergy https://mobile.twitter.com/JapImport/status/1136378564935335936 i'll just leave this here,since i smell another nb3 fanboi trying to defend his actions
> [{quoted}](name=keisie,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qiPFxtE2,comment-id=00110000,timestamp=2019-06-18T15:46:19.087+0000) > > https://www.twitch.tv/nightblue3/clip/FragileFairOxAMPEnergy > https://mobile.twitter.com/JapImport/status/1136378564935335936 > i'll just leave this here,since i smell another nb3 fanboi trying to defend his actions Well, did he get banned from that? I actually got chat restricted once for threatening to feed unless I got my role in champ select. So a simple report would have been enough.
PKL112 (EUNE)
: Question
Well, what's the point making a new account now? Just do it in case you actually get that permaban, it doesn't prevent creating new account.
Lokalo (EUW)
: NB3 still unbanned? RIOT?!?!
So nightblue did everyone a service by getting a griefer banned and he should be banned for that? Just why?
: "NA phenomenon"
There are a bunch of Champs with higher win rate though
: "NA phenomenon"
There are a bunch of Champs with higher win rate though
Vindsvept (EUW)
: Justified Ban?
: So if someone drops a hard R in chat to start the game. What is there to do?
Rioter Comments
: reported my inting teammate and he is still not banned
Riot doesn't care about feeders. I have reported hundreds and only a handful have got banned. That's also why I have almost stopped playing this game...
Rioter Comments
: >Kuroki Kaze: you are so useless The very next line: >Kuroki Kaze: where the flame? I don't have the words.
Calling someone useless is not flame dude. It just means they are not doing anything useful for the team and they should farm up or splitpush or do something else than what they are currently doing...
Pault97 (EUW)
: Does Xerath need a buff?
: Their logic is if you can't keep things civil when there's nothing on the line then you won't be able to keep things civil when you paid an entry fee.
What does keeping things civil to do with clash... it takes like 1k games to get to 2 too. What is the point of requirement like that? Why they don't deny everybody under challenger or something?
TKM Axe (EUW)
: You need to have honor level 2 to enter clash.
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Ðïana (NA)
: > Yes, some players are ineligible for rewards because of negative in-game behavior. This applies only to the 2015 season. Here are the details: > > Players with bans or chat/ranked restrictions active when the season ends are ineligible for this year’s rewards > Players banned for seven days or more in the three months prior to the end of the season (August 10) are ineligible for this year’s rewards. > Players banned for boosting during the 2015 season remain ineligible for rewards > Players who experienced fraud-related and erroneous bans will still be eligible > All players will have another chance at future ranked season rewards. Season rewards have always been taken away from players who acted like buffoons during the season. It's not hard to be a decent person rather than just endlessly flaming and acting foolish over a game. If you can't control yourself, you wouldn't have gotten the rewards pre-honor system either.
If it has been like this for longer time, it doesn't make it any better but worse.
refresh (EUW)
: if you transfer back does it give you your old honor level (0) or the new one again (honor 2) lol
ozzzz666 (NA)
: Based just on your name, you should be permabanned, IMO.
Yeah, ban everyone because some people get offended from everything.
: Honor system is alright. Free shit for doing nothing basically.
Free shit? They made it bad by combining season rewards with honor. Why I and other players with bullshit chat restrictions and bans would not deserve their borders and other stuff?
dKiWi (NA)
: transferring requires money lel. what are u smoking
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Xidphel (NA)
: Because CLEARLY, every single player LOVE being called useless.
Sometimes the truth needs to be told even though it's not lovely.
: bc everyone only has one account right? pathetic btw this 6 month old account has 2.8k upvotes, how many you got?
Well how would you know how many trolls there were 5 years ago? Did you get your previous account banned or something? What the hell have forum upvotes to do with anything? Are you literally bragging how you get so many upvotes bashing banned players here everyday? :D
Xidphel (NA)
: >There are no insults. **I call them useless** I'm not assaulting anyone, I'm just punching them in the face.
Well, how do you call a player who is something like 2/6 with trash farm, can't even clear waves properly. It is not an insult. I was useless that game too. My whole team was useless. That's why I wanted to ff.
Xidphel (NA)
: >6 months old account Your point?
That the guy has no frickin' clue how many trolls there were in the game 5 years ago.
: >Aryan MasterRage: you have 100 Aryan MasterRage: when u should have 170 Aryan MasterRage: everyine is not trying Aryan MasterRage: you are inting udyr Aryan MasterRage: like only think udyr can do is walk to lane and people die to it Aryan MasterRage: fk off Aryan MasterRage: ik why not suur Aryan MasterRage: you all are useles Aryan MasterRage: why we dont ff Aryan MasterRage: you lose top super hard idk why talk Aryan MasterRage: and 3 ofd my death because people cant follow Aryan MasterRage: its not, you just die to udyr ganks Aryan MasterRage: fk off. ff Aryan MasterRage: i run around base to avoid leaverbuster, nothing else Aryan MasterRage: i have a liss who doesnt even want me to farm Aryan MasterRage: so what there is to do Aryan MasterRage: idk why u wanna waste time Aryan MasterRage: i wanna see a proper team Aryan MasterRage: so only option is to go next Aryan MasterRage: yah veryu proper :D Aryan MasterRage: these guys just wanna waste time lol Aryan MasterRage: gg Aryan MasterRage: how delusional u are Aryan MasterRage: for what? you wasting time? Aryan MasterRage: i go split Aryan MasterRage: *x9 my team rather Aryan MasterRage: salty duo Post-Game Aryan MasterRage: shes delusional simply Aryan MasterRage: report her and liss for flame ty You're not just asking to ff. You're repeatedly insulting your teammates, calling them useless, pointing out their low CS, and calling for reports. This chat warrants a punishment. Realize that it only takes 1 report to trigger a review of one's chat; multiple reports from the same thing do not increase the likelihood of a player being punished.
There are no insults. I call them useless as a reason why I want to ff, not for them to feel bad or something. And saying someone has low farm is negative? This really confirms that the bar for punishments is really low. Riot nannying players like they would be 5 year olds.
: haha riiiiiighhhhhhtttttttt {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
Dude with like 6 months old account facepalming... riigght {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
: so is it possible that what you see as "dying bc of the ban system" could actually be just the scum being removed more effectively?
No... there are more trolls than 5 years ago.
: > [{quoted}](name=Aryan MasterRage,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oVBAdUyb,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-22T02:52:23.402+0000) > > It has been dying only recently. People quit because you cant say anything without getting some punishment. You can probably specify what there is insulting or toxic? Oh you cant' because there is nothing. "You are inting" "you all are useless" "I wanna see a proper team" "shes delusional" also... "I run around base just to avoid leaverbuster" is admitting openly to afking.
None of those are insulting and I didn't actually afk.
: Looked through them. They're wrong like every other attempt. I've seen more convincing ones and they were wrong too. Don't worry, there'll be many more of those things like many more years later just like many years before now. You can try to convince yourself this game is "dying", but like every other year, some "knowledgeable" penalized player has "proof" showing this game is "dying". Trust me, I'll say to you as I said to this guy on the forums 7 years ago, There'll be another person after you have "proof" that this is a dying game after you in an hour, tomorrow, next week, in a month, and many years to come. But in the end, this game is thriving. I'll likely say that exact same thing to the next guy like you 7 more years later. Good day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model You are on stage 1. Good luck with the rest.
Vreivai (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Aryan MasterRage,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oVBAdUyb,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-10-22T02:36:32.592+0000) > > Aryan MasterRage: fk off > Aryan MasterRage: ik why not suur > Aryan MasterRage: you all are useles > [{quoted}](name=Aryan MasterRage,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oVBAdUyb,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-10-22T02:36:32.592+0000) > > Aryan MasterRage: *x9 my team rather Neither is that egregious, but the system will punish a consistent pattern of behavior like this, if you've exhibited it.
I haven't. I usually play with my friends and keep the possible rage in the discord chat. Now I took a few solo games and BAM - restricted for this.
: Yea, I heard that one too. I've been here for 10 years, beta player, on this account alone. The only account I need or play on. The only thing I've witnessed over the times of playing this game... well is progress and improvement each year. The thing is you got to realize, no matter how many toxic players leave or get banned. More players join every year. Including the ones who get banned. So your little "recent" theory is has been a theory for many years from people in your exact situation. So don't worry. We're good.
In the message I sent to the other guy I just proved this game has lost 16% of ranked players on the western servers... tell me more how LoL is getting enough new players.
: You got stats on people leaving because they're not allowed to be toxic?
Let's have a little comparison to one year ago: 2017 October number ranked players per server EUNE: 1,844,127 https://web.archive.org/web/20171016060024/http://eune.op.gg/statistics/tier/ NA: 1,753,034 https://web.archive.org/web/20171023071941/http://na.op.gg/statistics/tier/ EUW: 3,501,056 https://web.archive.org/web/20171023081056/http://euw.op.gg/statistics/tier/ Same 2018 October: EUNE: 1,504,086 http://eune.op.gg/statistics/tier/ NA: 1,682,267 http://na.op.gg/statistics/tier/ EUW: 2,779,634 http://euw.op.gg/statistics/tier/ On these servers the game has lost like 16% of ranked players in only ONE year... it's even dying quite rapidly. And the biggest reason is this stupid ban system. You get banned or restricted for nothing like me and many others who have posted this forum, and the trolls and griefers are pretty much free to do what they want. Otherwise Riot is actually doing quite decently, balance is better than before even with having more champs and some of the new events are quite nice like odyssey. The game has been ruined by giving the moderation to bots who can only scan chats for "bad words" (in American context btw).
: This game been dying for 9 years and will continue to die for all toxic players. Believe me, you're not the first nor the last to say this over being penalized. As for your penalty, it's called griefing and being negative. Also, you got a lot of insults added in there. For a dying game, Riot is doing a great job of rooting out the issue.
It has been dying only recently. People quit because you cant say anything without getting some punishment. You can probably specify what there is insulting or toxic? Oh you cant' because there is nothing.
: Chat restricted for... idk what it is? Wanting to ff?
If this is their standard for chat restriction and losing honor I can see why this game is dying. There is no incentive to play.
Rioter Comments
: starting to regret the removal of "1v9" champions.
: He can do it, he just needs this item with his leth items and BC: {{item:3036}} . The amount of armor pen stats just overshadows armor in its current state. Issue with the pre-mitigation is that its a percent of the spell or attack's damage being stored, his shadows allow him to make 2 or 3 of the same spell hit, and with 55% of it being stored to increase the mark damage, it doesn't matter if you have 200 armor. He might not be able to kill something like a Malphite or any tank with damage reduction (Ali R), but if neither of those exist, he can blow them to bits. I've seen it in Diamond.
When I play Mundo and some cocky Zed ults me I receive almost no damage... he has 0 business killing real tanks.
: Well opgg MMR is calculated by their algorithm not RIot's. So if i have to guess your accounts real hidden MMR is actually lower hence the fact you lose more than you win and you cant climb.
What? You just saw I win more than lose. By clear margin. Yet I receive less points than my friend who has only 48% win rate. Their systems are pile of garbage.
KazKaz (OCE)
: W->Q->E->auto OR W->E->Q->auto
Q: 80 / 115 / 150 / 185 / 220 (+ 90% bonus AD) E: 70 / 95 / 120 / 145 / 170 (+ 80% bonus AD) Auto: 100% AD + passive dmg if below 50% You need to be afking for 15min in the game if that oneshots anything.
: Why hasn’t Irelia, Darius, Jax and Yasuo been properly looked at?
Because you are lying? Jax, Irelia, and Yasuo are definitely not as tanky as Garen, Illaoi or Yorick, assuming normal builds. Darius can only bully some melee champs and it is not easy to get 5 stacks to anyone in teamfight, unless we are talking about some trash elo.
: > Riot's report system is very good at identifying unwarranted reports! Or, Riots system doesn't do anything. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
Yap, the only thing it does is scanning for "bad" (in American context) words.
: I feel like the main issue currently (besides damage being up across the board in this meta) is his ult. 100% AD (+ 25 / 40 / 55% of damage dealt) Thats how his ult works currently, and if I had to be honest, that rank 3 ult is the reason why tanks pop like a fucking balloon vs him. Also this: "For the next 3 seconds, the mark stores a **percentage of all pre-mitigation physical** and magic damage Zed deals to the target, detonating at the end of the duration to deal physical damage." Uh...so armor is to be a counter to him...right....
Yes, the mark dmg is reduced by armor. If it stored after-mitigation damage, armor would count twice. Btw, which elo you are, if your Zeds are ulting tanks? Zed can absolutely not pop tanks unless he's like 10/0 and the tank is underfed.
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