Arakadia (NA)
: I remember reading that but another Rioter contradicted that saying she changes forms based off her victim's desire. So I don't really know what the answer is.
> [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=2m2XBvfk,comment-id=00020002,timestamp=2018-12-16T06:03:37.783+0000) > > I remember reading that but another Rioter contradicted that saying she changes forms based off her victim's desire. So I don't really know what the answer is. Hm I also remember that.
: Pretty sure the top picture is in relation to Morgana. I remember somewhere a post including this image and her.
> [{quoted}](name=50CaliberHecate,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=XzqNAAnO,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-16T04:59:58.067+0000) > > Pretty sure the top picture is in relation to Morgana. I remember somewhere a post including this image and her. I love how a non offensive opinion is down voted 9 times.
Spotty (NA)
: I hope league dies now that china banned it
LOL if league does die you will finally be free of your addiction. And do that stuff you listed.
Rioter Comments
Lewanor (NA)
: I'm expecting them mid-march. Chained hero should be late January.
> [{quoted}](name=Lewanor,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=iqNeMYEG,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-15T13:01:51.317+0000) > > I'm expecting them mid-march. Chained hero should be late January. I think they said Kayle and Morg are early next year.
Terozu (NA)
: What exactly makes you think she should look animal like? The Vasthayashai'rei weren't animals, they were spirits that could change shape at will, by your own logic of her being closer to them than to humans she shouldn't look like a lizard either. The Vasthayashai'rei weren't animals.
> [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=000e00000000,timestamp=2018-12-14T20:40:35.033+0000) > > What exactly makes you think she should look animal like? > > The Vasthayashai'rei weren't animals, they were spirits that could change shape at will, by your own logic of her being closer to them than to humans she shouldn't look like a lizard either. The Vasthayashai'rei weren't animals. Logically if the combination of a human and vastayashei rei would be vastaya. The human features are from the human and the other ones are from...
SickAnto (EUW)
: Camille is of two years ago.
> [{quoted}](name=SickAnto,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=E9kqE3zE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-12-14T18:41:35.580+0000) > > Camille is of two years ago. Forgot that lol, Thanks for correcting me
: Neeko is not Vastayashai’rei. The last Ask Riot confirmed it. She is closely related to them compared to other vastaya(such as Xayah) but is still Oovi-Kat.
> [{quoted}](name=Deathhawk888,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2018-12-14T18:58:22.373+0000) > > Neeko is not Vastayashai’rei. The last Ask Riot confirmed it. She is closely related to them compared to other vastaya(such as Xayah) but is still Oovi-Kat. Got that now but still doesn't change the fact that she should be somewhat different from the other vastaya. Since still she is pretty pretty close to shai rei
: > [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T19:56:46.307+0000) > > Its not a problem but it doesn't make sense. She is supposed to be a pure magical being and we got a human with some animal feature...a tail.... No no its like a Yordles glamour accept she's a chameleon person anyways so she can look like whatever she wants so WHO KNOWS IF THIS IS HER TRUE FORM?
> [{quoted}](name=ı Sona ı,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-12-14T17:34:05.222+0000) > > No no its like a Yordles glamour accept she's a chameleon person anyways so she can look like whatever she wants so WHO KNOWS IF THIS IS HER TRUE FORM? I acknowledge the of the possibility of that not being her "real" form but they just easily went with what is her real form since we are supposed get Neeko herself not some disguise. Its really hard for them to make some variety between characters lately...
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Terozu (NA)
: You should know that Neekos current form is canonically not her original appearance, but rather the appearance she likes. Furthermore, Rengar and Wukong actually have more human forms, they're just more comfortable In the bestial forms, and even then they would have great trouble transforming.
> [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2018-12-14T14:34:34.358+0000) > > You should know that Neekos current form is canonically not her original appearance, but rather the appearance she likes. > > Furthermore, Rengar and Wukong actually have more human forms, they're just more comfortable In the bestial forms, and even then they would have great trouble transforming. Do they ¿
Terozu (NA)
: No, it's official lore. If you listen to her voice lines towards Ivern you'd know her tribe at one point lived in Ionia.
> [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-12-14T14:44:07.124+0000) > > No, it's official lore. > > If you listen to her voice lines towards Ivern you'd know her tribe at one point lived in Ionia. Since there is a disconnect or its on purpose her lines might not be the best resource of information. But its possible.
Terozu (NA)
: Well beyond human face there are no similarities.
> [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=00000000000400010000,timestamp=2018-12-14T14:50:06.305+0000) > > Well beyond human face there are no similarities. Their concept is the same human shape and body with some animal features.
: Man, remember when the Prestige skins were ment to be rare, then riot shat out three of them in a row, two of which are within the same skin line and one is a significant downgrade to it's original skin.
> [{quoted}](name=King Braum,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=szaYb6fh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-14T08:53:37.318+0000) > > Man, remember when the Prestige skins were ment to be rare, then riot shat out three of them in a row, two of which are within the same skin line and one is a significant downgrade to it's original skin. I absolutely agree but when they already gave half of the group prestige skins. The other half left without is making it look unfinished or abandoned idea
: Neeko's transistion from creepy to cute is disappointing to find out.
Atgo (EUW)
: Neeko isnt a Vastayashai'rei, thats an offcial answer from Riot: > >Neeko is not a pure Vastayashai’rei, but she is closer to it than most of the other vastaya. The Oovi-Kat tribe splintered off from the vastaya tribes very early and have largely lived in isolation, so their magic is more pure and ancient than other vastaya. There is very, very little human blood in Neeko’s lineage. > > Someone like Xayah—who longs for a time before the vastaya were diminished by the pact made with humans—would freak out upon meeting Neeko. She’d probably feel a little envious because Neeko is so strong with spirit energy, but it’d also make her hopeful that the vastaya aren’t as diminished as she perceives. She is a vastaya, she just has less human blood. Her human appearence was also explained, though i would still like her to be more animal-like: > In the early explorations, she was wilder and less influenced by civilization. But actually, the way she’s evolved to look now is because she’s constantly learning from and mimicking other people, and that makes her less wild and more like a human being. Source: https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2018/12/ask-riot-neeko-edition/
> [{quoted}](name=Atgo,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2018-12-14T13:13:44.047+0000) > > Neeko isnt a Vastayashai'rei, thats an offcial answer from Riot: > > She is a vastaya, she just has less human blood. > > Her human appearence was also explained, though i would still like her to be more animal-like: > > Source: https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2018/12/ask-riot-neeko-edition/ Still even if she isn't pure shei rei but is way closer then the others she should look substantially different from the normal vastaya. Human with some animal limb.
: I'm pretty glad that she isn't like that, personally. But to each their own. I hope we get another champ that is a more animalistic vastaya to suit your tastes soon.
> [{quoted}](name=Eleshakai,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2018-12-14T02:05:11.970+0000) > > I'm pretty glad that she isn't like that, personally. But to each their own. I hope we get another champ that is a more animalistic vastaya to suit your tastes soon. I don't have something special about more animal like champions. It just annoys me that the concept has great potencial and we just got a zoe like girl.
: {{champion:518}} looks nothing like {{champion:498}} and {{champion:497}} idk where ur getting that idea
> [{quoted}](name=BrightWîngs,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=000000000004,timestamp=2018-12-14T02:54:11.972+0000) > > {{champion:518}} looks nothing like {{champion:498}} and {{champion:497}} idk where ur getting that idea I can't tell if you are joking or not.
: I'd actually play her if she looked like that. Gotta love wizard lizards.
> [{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-12-13T23:18:03.543+0000) > > I'd actually play her if she looked like that. > > Gotta love wizard lizards. I probably would have played her if she looked like something different from the others.
Vonler (EUNE)
: Yes! If not as a base look, perhaps as a toggle option.
> [{quoted}](name=Vonler,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-12-13T23:57:10.051+0000) > > Yes! If not as a base look, perhaps as a toggle option. If they really wanted her to look like what she would look like in the lore they could have easily went with it but they preferred this for obvious reasons.
: Vastaya come in different varieties. Some human looking, others animal looking. The story about them addresses that.
> [{quoted}](name=Chromatic Eagle,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=000000000003,timestamp=2018-12-14T00:01:47.789+0000) > > Vastaya come in different varieties. Some human looking, others animal looking. The story about them addresses that. True but the vastayashei rei are the magical beings them selves. Vastaya are the result of crossbreeding between humans and vastayashei rei .
: I think that {{champion:107}} should get VGU to make him look less animalistic {{champion:62}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:103}} look fine as Vastaya when you hold them to the new art direction that {{champion:498}} {{champion:497}} created. Mostly human looking with animal qualities. {{champion:107}} Looks like a small Ascended. Ask a person who never played LoL to categorize champs and he'd think {{champion:107}} belongs with {{champion:75}} and{{champion:58}} before the Vastaya
> [{quoted}](name=mrmeddyman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-13T20:20:16.413+0000) > > I think that {{champion:107}} should get VGU to make him look less animalistic > > {{champion:62}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:103}} look fine as Vastaya when you hold them to the new art direction that {{champion:498}} > > {{champion:497}} created. Mostly human looking with animal qualities. > > {{champion:107}} Looks like a small Ascended. Ask a person who never played LoL to categorize champs and he'd think {{champion:107}} belongs with > > {{champion:75}} and{{champion:58}} before the Vastaya Wasn't his old original release lore that he was an animal that evolved to what we know as Rengar or im wrong.
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T23:01:15.444+0000) > > How they are part human when they NEVER came in contact with humans.... They didn't come in contact with humans **since** their tribe evolved. First the Oovi-Kat evolved from the union of the humans and vastayasha'rei, then they went off to whichever island they lived on. They still have the human blood and appearance from their ancestry, they just haven't seen humans since then.
> [{quoted}](name=EdgeLady,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T23:04:20.368+0000) > > They didn't come in contact with humans **since** their tribe evolved. First the Oovi-Kat evolved from the union of the humans and vastayasha'rei, then they went off to whichever island they lived on. They still have the human blood and appearance from their ancestry, they just haven't seen humans since then. That is speculation. Not official lore.
: 🎁🎉 HAPPY BIRTHDAY Ahri ! 🎁🎉
: Barbecue Leona is a better skin than Eclipse Leona
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T22:02:55.304+0000) > > idk in her Bio its stated that she has direct descent from the Vastayashei rei. > "Neeko is Oovi-kat. We are not Vastaya. We are Vastayashai'rei. We are more colorful." her VO line She likes to think that she's vastayasha'rei, but she isn't, not completely. Her tribe is a direct descendant, yes, but they're distinctly part human and part animal, like all vastaya. The vastayasha'rei were complete shapeshifters; the chameleon Oovi-Kat are just closest to them because the easy shapeshifting adaptationally suits their chameleon nature. Even then, Neeko's shapeshifting is more like illusions, and not true shapeshifting like the original vastayasha'rei. In fact it's been said by Riot that all vastaya have some shapeshifting capability; for example, Rakan can change his feather cloak to look different (as implied in many of his lines regarding his cloak). The farther vastaya tribes are descended from the vastayasha'rei, the harder it is for them to shapeshift so fluidly. Point being: it makes complete sense for Neeko to be a part-human hybrid, like she is. It's completely subjective whether she "should have been" more lizard-like or not. Vastaya champions can be anywhere on the scale from Ahri (mostly human) to Rengar (mostly animal), and it would make perfect sense. And as for Neeko, I do think she captures the feel of a cute chameleon really well, even if she is more human than chameleon. Hell, she's the first mortal humanoid champion to have natural colorful hair since Sona, and unlike Sona, her colorful hair is completely explainable (although Sona will probably get a lore update with the new Demacian champion so maybe we'll know then why her hair is blue).
> [{quoted}](name=EdgeLady,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T22:43:06.077+0000) > > She likes to think that she's vastayasha'rei, but she isn't, not completely. Her tribe is a direct descendant, yes, but they're distinctly part human and part animal, like all vastaya. The vastayasha'rei were complete shapeshifters; the chameleon Oovi-Kat are just closest to them because the easy shapeshifting adaptationally suits their chameleon nature. Even then, Neeko's shapeshifting is more like illusions, and not true shapeshifting like the original vastayasha'rei. > > In fact it's been said by Riot that all vastaya have some shapeshifting capability; for example, Rakan can change his feather cloak to look different (as implied in many of his lines regarding his cloak). The farther vastaya tribes are descended from the vastayasha'rei, the harder it is for them to shapeshift so fluidly. > > Point being: it makes complete sense for Neeko to be a part-human hybrid, like she is. It's completely subjective whether she "should have been" more lizard-like or not. Vastaya champions can be anywhere on the scale from Ahri (mostly human) to Rengar (mostly animal), and it would make perfect sense. > > And as for Neeko, I do think she captures the feel of a cute chameleon really well, even if she is more human than chameleon. Hell, she's the first mortal humanoid champion to have natural colorful hair since Sona, and unlike Sona, her colorful hair is completely explainable (although Sona will probably get a lore update with the new Demacian champion so maybe we'll know then why her hair is blue). How they are part human when they NEVER came in contact with humans....
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T21:38:41.203+0000) > > If her tribe never came in contact with humans she can't have can't be part human. No...that's not how it works. She's vastaya. ALL vastaya are descended from humans and the vastayasha'rei, even if the Oovi-Kat tribe is one of the closest descendants of the vastayasha'rei. So she's part human, like all vastaya, even the more anthropomorphic ones like Rengar and Wukong. Some end up looking more human, some end up looking more animal, but all descend from a half-and-half interbreeding.
> [{quoted}](name=EdgeLady,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T21:57:42.292+0000) > > No...that's not how it works. She's vastaya. ALL vastaya are descended from humans and the vastayasha'rei, even if the Oovi-Kat tribe is one of the closest descendants of the vastayasha'rei. So she's part human, like all vastaya, even the more anthropomorphic ones like Rengar and Wukong. Some end up looking more human, some end up looking more animal, but all descend from a half-and-half interbreeding. idk in her Bio its stated that she has direct descent from the Vastayashei rei. "Neeko is Oovi-kat. We are not Vastaya. We are Vastayashai'rei. We are more colorful." her VO line
: What makes you think Neeko is "mimicking" a human appearance? The same question could be asked with regard to animals.
> [{quoted}](name=Wrathof300,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=00000000000200000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T21:29:37.151+0000) > > What makes you think Neeko is "mimicking" a human appearance? The same question could be asked with regard to animals. She could do it to better fit in with other humans in shurima currently. Or simply fan service.
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T21:18:17.908+0000) > > Her island never came in contact with humans since it was isolated some the world...soooo.... No, but the vastaya in general are descended from interbreeding of vastayasha'rei with humans. So even if her tribe, after they evolved, never came into contact with humans since, she still has that part-human ancestry. It's like saying a good bunch of the humans in our world shouldn't look like other apes because they traveled away from apes and didn't live near them for a time, or something.
> [{quoted}](name=EdgeLady,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T21:31:45.509+0000) > > No, but the vastaya in general are descended from interbreeding of vastayasha'rei with humans. So even if her tribe, after they evolved, never came into contact with humans since, she still has that part-human ancestry. It's like saying a good bunch of the humans in our world shouldn't look like other apes because they traveled away from apes and didn't live near them for a time, or something. If her tribe never came in contact with humans she can't have can't be part human.
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T19:56:46.307+0000) > > Its not a problem but it doesn't make sense. She is supposed to be a pure magical being and we got a human with some animal feature...a tail.... Well the thing is she is a vastaya, just one of the tribes most closely descended from the vastayasha'rei. She's not *pure* magical, but her tribe is very closely connected since they're chameleon types and naturally kept those easy shapeshifting abilities. There's really nothing wrong with her looking human, other than variety's sake.
> [{quoted}](name=EdgeLady,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T20:53:46.987+0000) > > Well the thing is she is a vastaya, just one of the tribes most closely descended from the vastayasha'rei. She's not *pure* magical, but her tribe is very closely connected since they're chameleon types and naturally kept those easy shapeshifting abilities. There's really nothing wrong with her looking human, other than variety's sake. Her island never came in contact with humans since it was isolated some the world...soooo....
: When the Vastaya were released we saw numerous drawings of very animal like vastayans so Rengar was not just slid under the rug, and as I pointed out Kuulcan from Nidalee's story, a male lizard-headed vastayan. Making Neeko more animal like in appearance does not automatically make her different than the other Vastaya. So while the fanart is really well done, her being Vastayshai'rei doesn't demand that a more animal like appearance would be more accurate in representation.
> [{quoted}](name=Wrathof300,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2018-12-13T20:54:51.885+0000) > > When the Vastaya were released we saw numerous drawings of very animal like vastayans so Rengar was not just slid under the rug, and as I pointed out Kuulcan from Nidalee's story, a male lizard-headed vastayan. Making Neeko more animal like in appearance does not automatically make her different than the other Vastaya. > So while the fanart is really well done, her being Vastayshai'rei doesn't demand that a more animal like appearance would be more accurate in representation. Think about it this way. Why would a force of nature mimic some human being that doesn't exist yet at the time of the beginning of its existence.
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T18:51:14.430+0000) > > She looks exactly the same as rakan and xayah and thay are supposed to be miles away from Neeko. > And Idk about the looks of Rengar since he is a vastaya but looks more animal like easy explanation they just pushed it under the rug and called him the same as Rakan and Xayah. And about wuk he might have outdated looks. > Plus she just looks like a generic girl while she is supposed to be something way way way different then the basic league girl. She's definitely more animal-like than Xayah, Rakan, or Ahri. I guess Nami is the most half-and-half (literally) of the Vastaya we have now. This looks...okay? But I think it could be tweaked to give off that same cute curious vibe that current Neeko does. Plus there's nothing too wrong with her looking humanlike, in my opinion. Yeah we could use another anthropomorphic vastaya, but I don't think it's an emergency. There are a lot of options that can be done with them.
> [{quoted}](name=EdgeLady,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T19:03:17.503+0000) > > She's definitely more animal-like than Xayah, Rakan, or Ahri. I guess Nami is the most half-and-half (literally) of the Vastaya we have now. > > This looks...okay? But I think it could be tweaked to give off that same cute curious vibe that current Neeko does. Plus there's nothing too wrong with her looking humanlike, in my opinion. Yeah we could use another anthropomorphic vastaya, but I don't think it's an emergency. There are a lot of options that can be done with them. Its not a problem but it doesn't make sense. She is supposed to be a pure magical being and we got a human with some animal feature...a tail....
: How is that different from {{champion:107}} or {{champion:62}} who are also Vastaya? Or even Kuuclan from Nidalee's story?
> [{quoted}](name=Wrathof300,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-13T18:22:38.234+0000) > > How is that different from {{champion:107}} or {{champion:62}} who are also Vastaya? Or even Kuuclan from Nidalee's story? She looks exactly the same as rakan and xayah and thay are supposed to be miles away from Neeko. And Idk about the looks of Rengar since he is a vastaya but looks more animal like easy explanation they just pushed it under the rug and called him the same as Rakan and Xayah. And about wuk he might have outdated looks. Plus she just looks like a generic girl while she is supposed to be something way way way different then the basic league girl.
Rioter Comments
: 2018 Lore Tournament - 13th December: The Dreaming Pool vs The Curator's Gambit
: 2018 Lore Tournament - 12th December: Stains on a Name vs The Monster of Kalduga Outpost
Im amazed that someone picked it up from riot left. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RczcRYcq,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2018-12-12T14:24:29.140+0000) > > Wait... Blood moon gets one but Eclipse doesn't T_T dont do us like this Don’t worry, I gotchu. Next time Eclipse rolls back around (and it looks very likely that it will in some form) odds are extremely good it’ll get some story work.
> [{quoted}](name=Carnival Knights,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RczcRYcq,comment-id=000000030001,timestamp=2018-12-12T19:59:00.015+0000) > > Don’t worry, I gotchu. Next time Eclipse rolls back around (and it looks very likely that it will in some form) odds are extremely good it’ll get some story work. Thats something I guess...
: I don't get why it's taking so long, his VO isn't matching his character and story very well right now.
> [{quoted}](name=Kenny Omegaman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qpUMw7AM,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-12-12T20:50:03.307+0000) > > I don't get why it's taking so long, his VO isn't matching his character and story very well right now. Its because its not in development most likely since most of the champions have out dated VO..And they aren't reworking even the simplest ones so....
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RczcRYcq,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2018-12-12T14:24:29.140+0000) > > Wait... Blood moon gets one but Eclipse doesn't T_T dont do us like this Next Eclipse event? I hope...{{sticker:sg-janna}}
> [{quoted}](name=EdgeLady,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RczcRYcq,comment-id=000000030000,timestamp=2018-12-12T16:02:18.932+0000) > > Next Eclipse event? I hope...{{sticker:sg-janna}} Im afraid it wont happen since we just got it
: I remember her birthday last year, someone made a thread too. I really love this champion! {{champion:164}}{{sticker:katarina-love}}
> [{quoted}](name=AquariusGine,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=WZqVZ3pW,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-12-12T15:35:49.202+0000) > > I remember her birthday last year, someone made a thread too. I really love this champion! > {{champion:164}}{{sticker:katarina-love}} that was me. lol
: I personally dislike that a game that doesn't revolve around lore at all has amazing writers and a strong community that loves the lore despite it going vastly underused; would like to see the lore integrated into a another Riot game, movie, or episodic series.
> [{quoted}](name=Pyrotechnics,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=c0EG5ztG,comment-id=001f,timestamp=2018-12-12T06:47:07.012+0000) > > I personally dislike that a game that doesn't revolve around lore at all has amazing writers and a strong community that loves the lore despite it going vastly underused; would like to see the lore integrated into a another Riot game, movie, or episodic series. Lucky us they are currently working on a game "Legends of Runeterra" which is pretty straight forward that is going to be around the lore.
: Yep! You'll be getting a short story.
> [{quoted}](name=Carnival Knights,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RczcRYcq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-12T03:06:25.408+0000) > > Yep! You'll be getting a short story. Wait... Blood moon gets one but Eclipse doesn't T_T dont do us like this
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SanKakU (NA)
: There was so much backlash over the initial Varus lore replacement. More backlash than perhaps the backlash over all VGU and champion deletions in LoL history combined. So I guess they're just scared to put his VO to live/PBE. It might have already been recorded.
> [{quoted}](name=SanKakU,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qpUMw7AM,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-12-11T21:36:36.145+0000) > > There was so much backlash over the initial Varus lore replacement. More backlash than perhaps the backlash over all VGU and champion deletions in LoL history combined. > > So I guess they're just scared to put his VO to live/PBE. It might have already been recorded. Yes the backlash was then and it ended. Neeko got a ton of backlash but here she is. For sure they don't have a recorded VO and if they did it would be out on live by now.
: Alright it all goes back to the pre-Great Rewrite days. Back then, the Targon Lore was one of the lores that people thought needed the least amount to transition into a post-League world. There was a conflict that had nothing to do with the League: The Solari and the Lunari. And it had a pretty interesting base concept for it. Leona, representing the Solari, was a good person. Her dialogue was filled with notes about protecting the weak, and her lore was about defying tradition to create a better world, even at the cost of her own life. She was pretty close to LoL's paladin equivalent. Opposite her was Diana, a vengeful and angry woman who backed the Lunari. Decrying the Solari as a corrupt institution, and murdering people for her message. So it seemed like a simple Good vs Evil debate. But there was one hiccup. Diana was right. The Solari was a corrupt institution that suppressed and possibly committed genocide against the Lunari in ages past. So this black/white conflict turned into an exploration of how a good person can be on the wrong side. Or how an evil person could stand by truth. And those who found this fascinating were ready to see this developed. Then there was Pantheon. Pantheon was a soldier. He needed some work, as a character. There was something there, if you read into his interactions with Leona in her lore. Showing Pantheon as being a traditionalist and Leona’s childhood friend. But it needed to be developed. Then the lore hits and... it involved none of that. Diana no longer sought out the truth about the moon on her own accord. She just sort of stumbles upon it, because the Solari elders sent a child to go read books they didn't want her to read... because reasons. Leona, the paladin, swaps personality about 4 times throughout the course of her lore. She starts out as a noble soul. She stands up against the traditions of her people to do what she thinks as right. And gets rewarded for it. So you'd think following through that line of reasoning she should become more caring. Because that's how stories/people work. You get rewarded for behavior you follow that behavior. Instead when she's an adult and she sees Diana, and she is literally fantasizing about killing her. So, the opposite happens. Despite Leona’s vindictive nature and desire to kill, Diana kills the Elders. This should prove to the zealous Leona that Diana needs to be put down. Then at the end of her lore in a few sentences she gets possessed by an alien and suddenly no longer wants to kill Diana. She only wants to talk. This would lead the reader to think that the alien is making Leona nicer. However, once we get Leona’s short story, we have Leona literally pushing against the alien to not smite the bandits with the full power of the Sun. So Leona just flops back and forth from moral to immoral based basically on what the plot demands, in a way that makes her seem vindictive to her old fans. It certainly reads like Leona was fully on board to slaughter innocents that disagreed with you, only for the space parasites to come take over her mind and make her do what they want. More annoying still, that old actually interesting conflict between Diana and Leona gets brought up, recognized and then entirely discarded. Diana no longer wants to purge the Solari. She just wants to go learn things and get supporters. Leona doesn’t want to avenge the Elders. She just wants to talk with Diana. The conflict that people waited years for got resolved with a literal Deus es Machina. And then we get to Pantheon. Pantheon needed the most work of the three original champions. Well first off, what did Pantheon fans want from Pantheon lore? Not much really. We just wanted a Spartan. That’s really it. Give us a Spartan, make him badass. And how did they do? Well, it started out not too bad. We see a young boy living up in basically the Agoge analogue. We see a budding rivalry, and friendship. It’s actually a pretty good story, culminating with Atreus screaming alone at the top of a mountain, his only friend dead in his hands. This is, in my opinion, the single most powerful moment in the entire Targon lore. Then they ruin it over the course of the next paragraph. The skies open up. Apparently, the gods were waiting for Pylas to die because they’re assholes. They completely take over Atreus’s body, because they’re assholes. It even has a whole two paragraphs describing how totally dead Atreus is now. Because the gods are assholes. Now, Atreus probably is going to come back, as Jaredan mentioned a few days after the lore was released. Which just makes the whole situation an annoyance. No one wanted to see Pantheon turned into a space parasite. And a pathetic one at that. The next lore update was Sol. Where we learn that not only are the space parasites not gods, they are confirmed complete bastards. Enslaving their friend in Sol, and Pantheon gets knocked a few pegs down further. The great “God of War” just commands Sol to do her work for her, then gets blown up. Woo. Then we got Taric. Taric was ok. And we get to Zoe. Woo boy. So, the one part of the Targon lore to demonstrate that the hosts of the space parasites is worthy is the ascent up the mountain. Which Zoe doesn’t do. She’s special. The other hosts are mostly humans with some minor abilities granted by their parasite. Except Zoe. She’s an immortal 12 year old with the single most powerful ability presented in the game. She’s special. She bounces into a town scares the local population. Has a group of guards try to defend themselves, which she then nukes from orbit. Apparently scaring everyone and throwing a comet at a town is meant as a warning about a world rune by the town. Sure, she could just use her abilities of unrestricted teleportation to just move the rune. Or she could just say “Hey, there’s a world rune down there. Be careful with that.” But no. Comets and murder. That’s how you send a message. And we’re supposed to be on her side in this. She’s supposed to be an endearing character. She’s special. So that’s enough with the characters. Let’s look at what the Lore has built. First. What are the Aspects? No one knows. I’m also convinced that Riot didn’t know when they released the new lore update. Leona was presented as being possessed by a spirit of the Sun. But Diana was instead possessed by the spirits of all the past Lunari people. But Pantheon is presented as a constellation of stars, which is also war. But in Sol’s lore they’re a race of formerly Runeterran creatures that Sol gave powers to and then betrayed him. Then once the Darkin lore got retconned it turns out that they’re actual anthropomorphic versions of whatever they represent. Twilight is apparently the personification of Change. Pantheon is the personification of War itself. None of that fits together, and doesn’t really make sense. Because it was released with a big mystery that Riot hadn’t finished plotting yet. And the lore ended up being worse for it. There’s also the problem of Targon’s power itself. Put frankly, Zoe is the most powerful character in LoL by a wide margin. Even Sol, the star dragon, there’s little if anything he can do that Zoe can’t replicate with her portals. She doesn’t, because she’s an insane 12 year old mass murderer. But if she wanted to, she could. This leads to problems whenever Targon gets involved in other people’s messes. They seem to have the power to fix pretty much anything. The last Aspect of Twilight slaughtered most of the Darkin with relative ease. But because they’re so powerful these victories don’t feel fulfilling. And it brings up the question: Why haven’t they fixed this problem, or that problem? They’re so powerful they should be able to. But if they do, the story will not have a satisfying conclusion. We want to see Yorick deal with the Black Mist. That’s his story. How terrible would it be if Zoe or Taric popped in and used their incredibly vague magic powers to just heal or stop the spread? It’d be boring. But then again, why aren’t they? The Black Mist is probably the most dangerous threat to the world of Runeterra after the Void. The World Runes may be tied there. But we know that the Aspects view of dealing with that problem is to just blow people up. I’m not going to get into that again. And all these problems and headaches came from what could have been a very interesting and grounded story on right, wrong, religion, power, and war. That those who were interested with the Old Targon lore will now never get. Because everything revolves around the Space Parasites. And I hate them.
> [{quoted}](name=Warlord Dienekes,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=c0EG5ztG,comment-id=000c0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-11T04:38:43.566+0000) > > Alright it all goes back to the pre-Great Rewrite days. > > Back then, the Targon Lore was one of the lores that people thought needed the least amount to transition into a post-League world. There was a conflict that had nothing to do with the League: The Solari and the Lunari. And it had a pretty interesting base concept for it. > > Leona, representing the Solari, was a good person. Her dialogue was filled with notes about protecting the weak, and her lore was about defying tradition to create a better world, even at the cost of her own life. She was pretty close to LoL's paladin equivalent. > > Opposite her was Diana, a vengeful and angry woman who backed the Lunari. Decrying the Solari as a corrupt institution, and murdering people for her message. > > So it seemed like a simple Good vs Evil debate. But there was one hiccup. Diana was right. The Solari was a corrupt institution that suppressed and possibly committed genocide against the Lunari in ages past. So this black/white conflict turned into an exploration of how a good person can be on the wrong side. Or how an evil person could stand by truth. And those who found this fascinating were ready to see this developed. > > Then there was Pantheon. Pantheon was a soldier. He needed some work, as a character. There was something there, if you read into his interactions with Leona in her lore. Showing Pantheon as being a traditionalist and Leona’s childhood friend. But it needed to be developed. > > Then the lore hits and... it involved none of that. Diana no longer sought out the truth about the moon on her own accord. She just sort of stumbles upon it, because the Solari elders sent a child to go read books they didn't want her to read... because reasons. > > Leona, the paladin, swaps personality about 4 times throughout the course of her lore. She starts out as a noble soul. She stands up against the traditions of her people to do what she thinks as right. And gets rewarded for it. So you'd think following through that line of reasoning she should become more caring. Because that's how stories/people work. You get rewarded for behavior you follow that behavior. Instead when she's an adult and she sees Diana, and she is literally fantasizing about killing her. So, the opposite happens. Despite Leona’s vindictive nature and desire to kill, Diana kills the Elders. This should prove to the zealous Leona that Diana needs to be put down. Then at the end of her lore in a few sentences she gets possessed by an alien and suddenly no longer wants to kill Diana. She only wants to talk. > > This would lead the reader to think that the alien is making Leona nicer. However, once we get Leona’s short story, we have Leona literally pushing against the alien to not smite the bandits with the full power of the Sun. > > So Leona just flops back and forth from moral to immoral based basically on what the plot demands, in a way that makes her seem vindictive to her old fans. It certainly reads like Leona was fully on board to slaughter innocents that disagreed with you, only for the space parasites to come take over her mind and make her do what they want. > > More annoying still, that old actually interesting conflict between Diana and Leona gets brought up, recognized and then entirely discarded. Diana no longer wants to purge the Solari. She just wants to go learn things and get supporters. Leona doesn’t want to avenge the Elders. She just wants to talk with Diana. The conflict that people waited years for got resolved with a literal Deus es Machina. > > And then we get to Pantheon. Pantheon needed the most work of the three original champions. Well first off, what did Pantheon fans want from Pantheon lore? Not much really. We just wanted a Spartan. That’s really it. Give us a Spartan, make him badass. And how did they do? Well, it started out not too bad. We see a young boy living up in basically the Agoge analogue. We see a budding rivalry, and friendship. It’s actually a pretty good story, culminating with Atreus screaming alone at the top of a mountain, his only friend dead in his hands. This is, in my opinion, the single most powerful moment in the entire Targon lore. > > Then they ruin it over the course of the next paragraph. The skies open up. Apparently, the gods were waiting for Pylas to die because they’re assholes. They completely take over Atreus’s body, because they’re assholes. It even has a whole two paragraphs describing how totally dead Atreus is now. Because the gods are assholes. Now, Atreus probably is going to come back, as Jaredan mentioned a few days after the lore was released. Which just makes the whole situation an annoyance. > > No one wanted to see Pantheon turned into a space parasite. And a pathetic one at that. The next lore update was Sol. Where we learn that not only are the space parasites not gods, they are confirmed complete bastards. Enslaving their friend in Sol, and Pantheon gets knocked a few pegs down further. The great “God of War” just commands Sol to do her work for her, then gets blown up. Woo. > > Then we got Taric. Taric was ok. > > And we get to Zoe. Woo boy. So, the one part of the Targon lore to demonstrate that the hosts of the space parasites is worthy is the ascent up the mountain. Which Zoe doesn’t do. She’s special. The other hosts are mostly humans with some minor abilities granted by their parasite. Except Zoe. She’s an immortal 12 year old with the single most powerful ability presented in the game. She’s special. She bounces into a town scares the local population. Has a group of guards try to defend themselves, which she then nukes from orbit. Apparently scaring everyone and throwing a comet at a town is meant as a warning about a world rune by the town. > > Sure, she could just use her abilities of unrestricted teleportation to just move the rune. Or she could just say “Hey, there’s a world rune down there. Be careful with that.” > > But no. Comets and murder. That’s how you send a message. And we’re supposed to be on her side in this. She’s supposed to be an endearing character. She’s special. > > So that’s enough with the characters. Let’s look at what the Lore has built. First. What are the Aspects? No one knows. I’m also convinced that Riot didn’t know when they released the new lore update. Leona was presented as being possessed by a spirit of the Sun. But Diana was instead possessed by the spirits of all the past Lunari people. But Pantheon is presented as a constellation of stars, which is also war. But in Sol’s lore they’re a race of formerly Runeterran creatures that Sol gave powers to and then betrayed him. Then once the Darkin lore got retconned it turns out that they’re actual anthropomorphic versions of whatever they represent. Twilight is apparently the personification of Change. Pantheon is the personification of War itself. > > None of that fits together, and doesn’t really make sense. Because it was released with a big mystery that Riot hadn’t finished plotting yet. And the lore ended up being worse for it. > > There’s also the problem of Targon’s power itself. Put frankly, Zoe is the most powerful character in LoL by a wide margin. Even Sol, the star dragon, there’s little if anything he can do that Zoe can’t replicate with her portals. She doesn’t, because she’s an insane 12 year old mass murderer. But if she wanted to, she could. > > This leads to problems whenever Targon gets involved in other people’s messes. They seem to have the power to fix pretty much anything. The last Aspect of Twilight slaughtered most of the Darkin with relative ease. But because they’re so powerful these victories don’t feel fulfilling. And it brings up the question: Why haven’t they fixed this problem, or that problem? They’re so powerful they should be able to. But if they do, the story will not have a satisfying conclusion. We want to see Yorick deal with the Black Mist. That’s his story. How terrible would it be if Zoe or Taric popped in and used their incredibly vague magic powers to just heal or stop the spread? It’d be boring. > > But then again, why aren’t they? The Black Mist is probably the most dangerous threat to the world of Runeterra after the Void. The World Runes may be tied there. But we know that the Aspects view of dealing with that problem is to just blow people up. I’m not going to get into that again. > > And all these problems and headaches came from what could have been a very interesting and grounded story on right, wrong, religion, power, and war. That those who were interested with the Old Targon lore will now never get. Because everything revolves around the Space Parasites. > > And I hate them. Finally someone that remembers the old lore and makes the difference from the current one. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
nm1010 (NA)
: I stopped keeping up with all the stories a few years ago so my opinion might be ignorant, but I've always found league lore exists to tell a story and not to build a universe. Sure they drop some references every now and then, but everything is skin deep at best. There is no real relations between nations, champions don't really matter to their nation, none of them have some truly explored personal stories. The Darkin aren't a real threat, the iceborn aren't a real threat, the void isn't a real threat, **_nothing_** is a real threat. Nothing matters because at the end of the day we are going to be in this happy little middle of the road status where every champion has the possibility for these short stories that mean nothing. It always makes me sad thinking about the amazing characters league has and how wasted that potential is in the current lore. ######But hey who knows, maybe they'll drop that MMO and it won't be a major disappointment.
> [{quoted}](name=nm1010,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=c0EG5ztG,comment-id=001e,timestamp=2018-12-11T16:23:41.560+0000) > > I stopped keeping up with all the stories a few years ago so my opinion might be ignorant, but I've always found league lore exists to tell a story and not to build a universe. Sure they drop some references every now and then, but everything is skin deep at best. There is no real relations between nations, champions don't really matter to their nation, none of them have some truly explored personal stories. > > The Darkin aren't a real threat, the iceborn aren't a real threat, the void isn't a real threat, **_nothing_** is a real threat. Nothing matters because at the end of the day we are going to be in this happy little middle of the road status where every champion has the possibility for these short stories that mean nothing. It always makes me sad thinking about the amazing characters league has and how wasted that potential is in the current lore. > > ######But hey who knows, maybe they'll drop that MMO and it won't be a major disappointment. They are taking lore way way more seriously now. They made a whole deal with marvel and they are in the making for a lore based game. So I think we are getting at the highest point of lore content and changes hopefully for the better.
: Concept : Icon Border Selector
WE NEED THIS ! {{sticker:sg-shisa}}
Scheddi (NA)
: Imagine being a nerd and actually reading into the Lores instead of trying to make it out of Iron.
> [{quoted}](name=Scheddi,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QWgT1jvE,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-12-10T19:43:18.552+0000) > > Imagine being a nerd and actually reading into the Lores instead of trying to make it out of Iron. Imagine thinking like that. Tragic.
: The issue is that the mythological Greek gods, for example, are natural elements personified, while Targonians are ideal concepts that decide to inhabit humans. You can make a case for why the Protector, War and Change have certain personalities and willingly interact with humans, but what about the Aspects of the Sun and the Moon? What do they even stand for? It's all these inconsistencies that come from having written the lore not in an organic way, but piece by piece, that really grind my gears.
> [{quoted}](name=XIII Vanitas,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=c0EG5ztG,comment-id=001800000000,timestamp=2018-12-11T14:52:26.936+0000) > > The issue is that the mythological Greek gods, for example, are natural elements personified, while Targonians are ideal concepts that decide to inhabit humans. You can make a case for why the Protector, War and Change have certain personalities and willingly interact with humans, but what about the Aspects of the Sun and the Moon? What do they even stand for? It's all these inconsistencies that come from having written the lore not in an organic way, but piece by piece, that really grind my gears. I know but I get the idea of lets make something like that concept. Some god like beings exist in the clouds and they represent many random things. Luck , Hunt , Beauty , War etc. and they are just there. Accepted by the whole world just like that.
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