: Balance Team: Buff Vel'Koz.
As a Vel'Koz main, NO! Hell no Fuck no And a million no Vel'Koz is already one of the most balanced champs and he's a mid-late game champion. Early game he's just a squid, mid game a giant squid and late game a freaking Kraken. The only problem is, late game is near impossible to reach. Do something about that. Buffing the squid will not solve anything.
: Literally in your post. And in THIS comment. Unless you're saying you like feeling like shit.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p7bMEs9K,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2019-08-07T17:59:55.363+0000) > > Literally in your post. > > And in THIS comment. > > Unless you're saying you like feeling like shit. So basically, winning doesn't feel satisfying = I hate winning? Are you high? Or are you high? You have understanding issues here mate.
: Been playing since season 1... if that means anything Unless ur like this guy https://youtu.be/TZam9uAblDw
> [{quoted}](name=Rebel 986,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p7bMEs9K,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-06T17:31:07.988+0000) > > Been playing since season 1... if that means anything > Unless ur like this guy > > > https://youtu.be/TZam9uAblDw More like something like this {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}} Besides, I don't get that angry to that level. Just merely upset and nothing more due to 2 reasons: 1- not worth goin temper tantrum over some Chinese game 2- we don't have walls weak to that extent. Wtf is that even? Cheap plastic?!?
: So are you coming here from Smite, DoTA, or HOTS? Because they're the same. If you don't like winning or playing this game, MOBAs probably aren't your thing.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p7bMEs9K,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-06T17:26:03.643+0000) > > So are you coming here from Smite, DoTA, or HOTS? Because they're the same. If you don't like winning or playing this game, MOBAs probably aren't your thing. In what world did I say I didn't like winning Or playing this game? I said winning feels like shit and playing this game feels like shit due to how bad the game became. Don't pop in random ideas and say I said them please. More to the point, DOTA runs in a way that everything is strong and 99% of its champions are viable rather than a troll pick in league's case. HoTS I use to play it alot and had my own crew. Even maps had diversity and own power. I use to main SGT. Hammer who had an ulti that's a jinx ulti but on steroids. At max level the rocket can permanently rotate the map every few seconds and damage the nexus that it can't recover its own shield. It was disgusting. Yasuo would be needed and even be deemed healthy in HoTS. Smite...Idk much about it so I'm not gonna say anything.
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
floo (EUW)
: Oh I wonder who's gonna win this game of ARAM.
As a Vel'Koz main...I got Vel'Koz in 2 ARAM games in a row (without even a reroll). Let's just say I went full Kraken on the enemy team. {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
: riot is american lol, most of the staff is also north american, they are an american company, also what about the people that agree with changes lol do they not matter either
> [{quoted}](name=Master2139,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=biWEbu5E,comment-id=000d000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-15T21:52:32.182+0000) > > riot is american lol, most of the staff is also north american, they are an american company, also what about the people that agree with changes lol do they not matter either You're missing the fuckin point... {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
EATARI (NA)
: #thatssome #relatable #soxdrandom
> [{quoted}](name=EATARI,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pOEEBmf1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-15T21:19:11.384+0000) > > #thatssome #relatable #soxdrandom Call me weird creep but "soxdradom" sounds like a syndrome...But involving socks...in a sexual draining way... Sock-drain-syndrome Sox-dra-drom
Rioter Comments
: 4 since it goes to like a 27 second cd
> [{quoted}](name=Polaris I,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=b5iZg6yR,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2019-07-14T13:22:12.476+0000) > > 4 since it goes to like a 27 second cd Even worse.
: american* also most of the boards isnt anything constructive lol, and just because they dont coment doesnt mean they can't read lol
> [{quoted}](name=Master2139,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=biWEbu5E,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2019-07-15T04:05:24.108+0000) > > american* > > also most of the boards isnt anything constructive lol, and just because they dont coment doesnt mean they can't read lol Chinese* Yeah with how changes are made, from champion reworks, despite many don't agree with them, they all go through anyway. They definitely read. Or maybe the rioters do read but take critics as cyberbullying. Who knows?
: is neeko an assassin?
> [{quoted}](name=Luther King Jr V,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=b5iZg6yR,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-07-14T12:18:34.853+0000) > > is neeko an assassin? No she's a tank fighter.
Swarovsko (EUW)
: Why did rioters stop commenting in this section?
They're afraid someone doesn't agree with their design or any balance changes. Duh. Apparently critics aren't allowed in that Chinese company.
: Zhonya's is op
Awww the poor little assassin main doesn't like counterplay! How sad :( It's called counterplay. Zhonya's cooldown is equal to 3 zed ultis so you have plenty of Windows to go assassin shit. Try to think maybe.
: I was with you until you said it was cheating how tf any of these picks are considered cheating, maybe rage inducing but cheating? really?
> [{quoted}](name=Luther King Jr V,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8luWAswe,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-07-14T10:32:06.799+0000) > > I was with you until you said it was cheating how tf any of these picks are considered cheating, maybe rage inducing but cheating? really? I said you wish that it is. Not it is. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
Εlin (EUW)
: People troll my games because I pick Vel'koz support.
As a Vel'Koz main, I'm against this Vel'Koz support bullshit. I honestly can't blame that sivir of yours but it was pretty stupid since it's effective. The squid belongs in mid lane and mid lane alone. He may have good damage to poke in the bot lane but he has nothing to offer except damage and a fart level of cc. No heavy cc, no shields and no heals. A Vel'Koz with a shield support or heal or even cc is almost an unstopabble force. But a mid with a Vel'Koz support isn't much of a big whoop and depends heavily on enemy team comp. Nevertheless, I find Vel'Koz support to be a toxic gameplay if you ask me. And so are other mage supports. Get them out of bot lane and bring them back to mid lane where they belong. "But but...there will be no diversity!" Diversity my ass. It's a double edged sword of good and bad and right now the bad is more than good. Remember Viktor top? Tahm Kench top? Neeko top? Irelia mid? Bruisers bot lane? Most toxic bullshit I've ever seen and to experience to the point you wish that they were even reportable as cheating. So spare me this bullshit counter argument.
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4akB1iOI,comment-id=000400000000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-08T19:15:37.159+0000) > > when you fail to adapt then yea its a problem. > > Funny how youre acting this biased and yet youre calling out people who are biased towards TK. > But hey all cool, when they gut your main to the point its unplayable, dont you dare complaining about it. > And no, I dont main TK. Adapting does not magically remove the problem. The thing about diversity is that when champions are played at different roles or ways that the opponent can't do shit about regardless how good or how much they adapt, and have very little to no counterplay, then that's where the problem is. How can you adapt to something that's not adaptable? Vel'Koz is already among the most balanced champions in League of Legends. He's very rarely touched. Very rarely.
> [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4akB1iOI,comment-id=00040000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2019-07-12T12:13:40.612+0000) > > In that case Riot should gut Velkoz, but both on mid and support? You agree? He's not as gut worthy as Tahm Kench. Tahm Kench is tanky with good damage, Vel'Koz is a glass cannon that even a Gankplank can fuck him up. Don't even try with me. I know that squid from A to Z. Top lane is no paradise for Vel'Koz.
: Good question. It had a lot to do with him insulting players on twitter, an odd SJW type of behavior, refusal to communicate with mains or players of champions he was working on while joking about them. He was responsible for the Rengar rework, the Leblanc Rework, the Akali mini rework, a lot of work on Karma, and a few others, but those three are by far his most notable. The bias was obvious. He also worked on Ahri and I remember that he had *THREE* potential mini reworks for her that they said they wanted to see what Ahri players thought of. The Leblanc, Rengar, and Akali changes just appeared and were pushed despite nobody wanting them/thinking they were a good idea. In the process he actually used his twitter to occasionally trashtalk the players who complained about his ideas and balance changes. Older Karma mains also have it out for him because he is essentially the reason why Karma is as bland and uninteractive as today. I’ve done a lot of digging but it appears that Riot and he have done a lot of work to clear up much of what he said and did. You can still find a lot of complaints about his work in history but it’s really hard to find out the exact things he said that lead up to his being fired. Essentially he insulted a ton of players and then pointed fingers at both Riot and the players for being a patriarchy yada yada yada. Basically self destructed. Edit: there’s a decent chance this post might be deleted because it just airs some of Riot’s dirty laundry. Hope you see it before it is!
> [{quoted}](name=Pierce The Veal,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ThssZX5E,comment-id=000400010000,timestamp=2019-07-11T11:36:39.726+0000) > > Good question. It had a lot to do with him insulting players on twitter, an odd SJW type of behavior, refusal to communicate with mains or players of champions he was working on while joking about them. He was responsible for the Rengar rework, the Leblanc Rework, the Akali mini rework, a lot of work on Karma, and a few others, but those three are by far his most notable. > > The bias was obvious. He also worked on Ahri and I remember that he had *THREE* potential mini reworks for her that they said they wanted to see what Ahri players thought of. The Leblanc, Rengar, and Akali changes just appeared and were pushed despite nobody wanting them/thinking they were a good idea. In the process he actually used his twitter to occasionally trashtalk the players who complained about his ideas and balance changes. Older Karma mains also have it out for him because he is essentially the reason why Karma is as bland and uninteractive as today. > > I’ve done a lot of digging but it appears that Riot and he have done a lot of work to clear up much of what he said and did. You can still find a lot of complaints about his work in history but it’s really hard to find out the exact things he said that lead up to his being fired. Essentially he insulted a ton of players and then pointed fingers at both Riot and the players for being a patriarchy yada yada yada. Basically self destructed. > > Edit: there’s a decent chance this post might be deleted because it just airs some of Riot’s dirty laundry. Hope you see it before it is! Jeez and I thought certainlyt was bad. I'll look into it more later on.
: I used to main nocturne and akali. Now I barely play the game anymore except for tft. I quit playing akali after Riot gave RicklessAbandon her mini rework, where he shredded everything I liked about her (she felt smooth to play). Then Riot reworked her, continuing on the dumb direction RicklessAbandon took, despite many of his reworks being reverted and him actually being fired. Nowadays I don’t even bother looking at or trying akali. She just isn’t the same champion and has none of the strengths of the old akali. Nocturne’s last patch was in 8.13, just over a year ago now. That patch happened to be a significant nerf, by the way, he lost 3 base AD and lost 0.3 AD scaling from his ult. His last real buff was in 5.17 where his ult gained some extra range. He has a 1.5% pickrate with a 47-48% winrates, and his mains have on average a 47% winrate. Riot has furthermore “fixed” crit itemization by making it completely rotate around ADC’s, making him garbage because that was the best itemization for him. Lethality makes him fall off because he only has 2 AD scaling damaging skills. Bruiser he is simply not comparable to the alternatives. There were and are several things they could do to make him playable, but Riot cares so little for him that he was bugged to lose his unit collision passive when he had phantom dancer for over a year, they’re not going to magically remember he exists. Then, when they finally get around to reworking I can happily kiss the champion I know and love good bye because you can bet they will put some gimmick into him and completely overturn his thematic. Because that’s what reworks are for, right? Edit: thanks for the downvotes. How _dare_ I dislike that one of my champions was reworked into something else while my other champion is unviable garbage.
> [{quoted}](name=Pierce The Veal,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ThssZX5E,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-11T01:33:17.827+0000) > > I used to main nocturne and akali. Now I barely play the game anymore except for tft. > > I quit playing akali after Riot gave RicklessAbandon her mini rework, where he shredded everything I liked about her (she felt smooth to play). Then Riot reworked her, continuing on the dumb direction RicklessAbandon took, despite many of his reworks being reverted and him actually being fired. Nowadays I don’t even bother looking at or trying akali. She just isn’t the same champion and has none of the strengths of the old akali. > > Nocturne’s last patch was in 8.13, just over a year ago now. That patch happened to be a significant nerf, by the way, he lost 3 base AD and lost 0.3 AD scaling from his ult. His last real buff was in 5.17 where his ult gained some extra range. > > He has a 1.5% pickrate with a 47-48% winrates, and his mains have on average a 47% winrate. Riot has furthermore “fixed” crit itemization by making it completely rotate around ADC’s, making him garbage because that was the best itemization for him. Lethality makes him fall off because he only has 2 AD scaling damaging skills. Bruiser he is simply not comparable to the alternatives. > > There were and are several things they could do to make him playable, but Riot cares so little for him that he was bugged to lose his unit collision passive when he had phantom dancer for over a year, they’re not going to magically remember he exists. Then, when they finally get around to reworking I can happily kiss the champion I know and love good bye because you can bet they will put some gimmick into him and completely overturn his thematic. Because that’s what reworks are for, right? > > Edit: thanks for the downvotes. How _dare_ I dislike that one of my champions was reworked into something else while my other champion is unviable garbage. "him actually being fired." Fired for what exactly?!? I'm curious to know! Haven't even heard of such Rioter...
: > [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2019-07-10T20:46:48.488+0000) > > Great counter argument. > 10/10. > You should join the debate club! They could someone of your talents. Actually some years ago I went to a debate tournament with some school mates. However I was the one that had to made the Conclusion not the Refutations. Man those were good times, thanks for reminding me it. For your thread the most kind thing I can say it's that's non sense. Here's the credit for participating on the debates, I've covered my real name with my nicknames of course but you can read that's organized by a university called Francisco Vitoria https://i.imgur.com/g10q84C_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=000d00000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T22:55:48.402+0000) > > Actually some years ago I went to a debate tournament with some school mates. > > However I was the one that had to made the Conclusion not the Refutations. > > Man those were good times, thanks for reminding me it. > > For your thread the most kind thing I can say it's that's non sense. My "debate club" is nothing more but a political club. Literally nothing to do with debates. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} And they are a fuckin useless cancer. Anyway, what the hell could you not make sense from? At some point, champions can tilt a player badly and become toxic and given how champs are these days, I honestly cannot blame them for it anymore. Doesn't excuse them being toxic. I remember a Bunnyfufu video of something like this. It was sad rather than funny really (don't ask me to link the video because I think it got deleted).
mack9112 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=000e0000,timestamp=2019-07-10T21:26:10.652+0000) > > Does my thread say "I'm toxic due to shit champs"? No, didn't think so. Your attitude is toxic because you do not enjoy the game.
> [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=000e00000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T21:36:18.624+0000) > > Your attitude is toxic because you do not enjoy the game. This has nothing to do with me being toxic or anything. I'm saying "I can't blame people being toxic anymore" not "i'm toxic". There's a difference.
mack9112 (NA)
: If the game is too much for you then don’t play it ..... if you get so frustrated you turn emotional over a video game you just should not be involved with said video game.
> [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2019-07-10T21:07:41.475+0000) > > If the game is too much for you then don’t play it ..... if you get so frustrated you turn emotional over a video game you just should not be involved with said video game. Does my thread say "I'm toxic due to shit champs"? No, didn't think so.
: No. The game isn't more toxic now than on later seasons and even if that was true there's no excuse for being toxic to ppl in game. And the Boards should be removed from internet, this place is trash.
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-07-10T20:34:03.441+0000) > > No. > > The game isn't more toxic now than on later seasons and even if that was true there's no excuse for being toxic to ppl in game. > > And the Boards should be removed from internet, this place is trash. Great counter argument. 10/10. You should join the debate club! They could someone of your talents.
: > [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2019-07-10T19:06:11.593+0000) > > What does knowing the builds, runes and basics of how to play league have got to do with all this? People getting toxic? The entire thread that you made?
> [{quoted}](name=King Hecarim,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=000b00000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T19:18:28.090+0000) > > People getting toxic? The entire thread that you made? And? This has nothing to do if whether or not someone know how to play, what to build and what runes to use. Point of my thread is i'm saying i can't blame people for being toxic anymore due to champs with shit design, overloaded kit and the changes that's being done to the game.
: Been playing since 2009, never been toxic, flamed or trolled, got 0 warnings and 0 bans, if you get ''toxic'' from playing that's on you
> [{quoted}](name=hhaavviikk,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-07-10T18:52:11.463+0000) > > Been playing since 2009, never been toxic, flamed or trolled, got 0 warnings and 0 bans, if you get ''toxic'' from playing that's on you You're a million miles from the point really. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
: > [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-09T21:21:18.946+0000) > > Why not? EXPLAIN! EXPLAAAAAIIIIINNNNN! > Well, because the game itself is toxic and tilting to play mostly due to the champions we have these days. However, for those who are being toxic for poor performance teammates, I 100% blame them like come on even you yourself can be that poor performance teammate too. Talk about hypocrisy really. > One can encounter this teammate just once (unless challenger) which is no big deal but you won't encounter a champion once. There's a difference in that. That's why to me, champs tilt me harder than teams. > > But seriously, with how many champs are these days, from shit design, to overloaded, to stupid changes (Renekton, Blitz, and worst of all Pyke), one can encounter those for so long that they would lose their minds. Not even a 24/7 meditating monk with full mastery of inner peace can keep his cool with this nonsense. > "you can ban them!" > Yeah like that's gonna do anything. That statement will be true if we had 30 bans rather than 10. Not saying it's wrong, but it's not effectively true either. It's like people go into ranked without looking anything up on youtube, builds, runes or just the basic's of how to play league.
> [{quoted}](name=King Hecarim,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-07-10T18:39:26.227+0000) > > It's like people go into ranked without looking anything up on youtube, builds, runes or just the basic's of how to play league. What does knowing the builds, runes and basics of how to play league have got to do with all this?
: No people are toxic because they're assholes They're not going to suddenly become saints if the game becomes balanced/fun/whatever The game state doesn't matter because the fact that it's a team game makes people toxic
> [{quoted}](name=Abibyama II,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-07-10T10:36:54.509+0000) > > No people are toxic because they're assholes > > They're not going to suddenly become saints if the game becomes balanced/fun/whatever > > The game state doesn't matter because the fact that it's a team game makes people toxic Not exactly the case really. This is a different situation. May not be excused, but also cannot be blamed.
: > [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T08:16:17.260+0000) > > Might as well switch to 50 bans rather than just 30. > 140 champions, and it feels like there's just 40-50. Which begs the question, does it mean these 40-50 champs are a failure due to how unbalanced they are? Or does it mean the remaining champs that aren't played are a failure? > If I was Riot's designer, I'd be pissed. Honestly I know you were prob (mostly?) joking but with the high number of champs we have now 10 bans just isn't enough. There's too many champs that are just awful, overtuned, or have too much in their kit. And there's not enough bans to ban enough of them to give yourself an enjoyable experience. Which should say something to RIOT but I doubt they'd understand when they can't even get balance changes right.
> [{quoted}](name=kaijukitten,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T11:52:32.633+0000) > > Honestly I know you were prob (mostly?) joking but with the high number of champs we have now 10 bans just isn't enough. There's too many champs that are just awful, overtuned, or have too much in their kit. And there's not enough bans to ban enough of them to give yourself an enjoyable experience. Which should say something to RIOT but I doubt they'd understand when they can't even get balance changes right. Perhaps a hybrid of joke and seriousness? Seriously, everything here is a fiesta. I mean, when was the last time you saw an Ornn? Or an Ivern? Or even a Skarner?!?
: I.... ya know what, no. Your OP makes no sense at all but I'm just going to turn around and walk away.
> [{quoted}](name=Eleshakai,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-07-10T13:48:07.057+0000) > > I.... ya know what, no. Your OP makes no sense at all but I'm just going to turn around and walk away. What doesn't make sense exactly? Everything here is as simple as abc. It's not a post about quantum physics.
: > [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T09:00:08.874+0000) > > I don't care how riot balanced around pro or not. > Whatever it is, they're adding stupid shit. > Have you seen the change on Pyke's ulti? I'm familiar with every PBE change, but I'm waiting for live server release before I'll judge. On top of that, it adds powerspikes to Pyke(lvl 6/11/16) unlike now, with every lvl dmg goes higher. It kills any attempts to build tank Pyke(good for everybody). You lose some dmg early on(good for enemies). And get few hundreds later with more items(which unless solo lane, which is really bad now or extremely fed/even game that goes forever, not gonna happen)(compensation for weaker early, it's nice to have scaling supp and if he gets full build, it's kinda your fault). Gold changes on the other hand are questionable.
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=00040000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T09:16:16.459+0000) > > I'm familiar with every PBE change, but I'm waiting for live server release before I'll judge. > > On top of that, it adds powerspikes to Pyke(lvl 6/11/16) unlike now, with every lvl dmg goes higher. It kills any attempts to build tank Pyke(good for everybody). You lose some dmg early on(good for enemies). And get few hundreds later with more items(which unless solo lane, which is really bad now or extremely fed/even game that goes forever, not gonna happen)(compensation for weaker early, it's nice to have scaling supp and if he gets full build, it's kinda your fault). > > Gold changes on the other hand are questionable. The gold part is the questionable one. The rest are fine. It's like some Rioter who's a Pyke main was forced to nerf him but decided to add this gold mechanic as an overkill compensation. If that one goes through, I don't think any nerfs will mean anything if Pyke can get a lethality item in just 2-3 kills without even cs-ing.
: > [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-07-10T08:10:04.216+0000) > > I agree on your 4 points really. > > The changes they're doing right now, makes me wonder if they even play the game. > > "I don't think you have to play the game in order to design it" > Sure...And look what we have. A clown fiesta. > > "Look, the people who design planes rarely pilot them but have a good idea how they work" > Ghosty...jokes on you, because planes are built by multiple people, not one. And comparing planes to league is a bad one because our lives depends on people who build planes to do their jobs perfectly (not excellent, PERFECTLY), while rioters don't hold anything on their hands. the "You don't have to play it" argument is exactly the same as having someone who never worked your job become your manager. Comparing planes to League is fucking dumb. A plane is a machine with 1 simple and solid design, with 2 state: Working, and not working. League can be balanced on a scale of 1-10, right now we're at a solid 4.
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T08:34:07.092+0000) > > the "You don't have to play it" argument is exactly the same as having someone who never worked your job become your manager. Comparing planes to League is fucking dumb. A plane is a machine with 1 simple and solid design, with 2 state: Working, and not working. League can be balanced on a scale of 1-10, right now we're at a solid 4. To me, I'd give it a 3. But 4 is fine. Even planes have balance. Only difference is, people can die (literally).
: > [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T08:30:19.741+0000) > > Sure. > *looks at posts like zed, brand, riven etc* > So much point he has. Riot should hire him and pay him 1 million dollars and offer him a free massage every week too as a bonus. Stick to the point pls. Riot isn't balancing game around proplay as much as low elo scrubs claims.
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T08:34:18.447+0000) > > Stick to the point pls. Riot isn't balancing game around proplay as much as low elo scrubs claims. I don't care how riot balanced around pro or not. Whatever it is, they're adding stupid shit. Have you seen the change on Pyke's ulti?
: > [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T08:13:29.621+0000) > > That dude with numbers for a name is nothing but a troll. > Have you seen posts from brony gaymer? It's probably the same dude! > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} But he has a point. If Riot wanted to balance only around proplay/challanger, they would aim to make most champs playable there, which could be achieved only by ridiculous buffs bcs not every kit fits in coordinated play. Champs that were nerfed duo to proplay can be counted on fingers of one hand, which is from 145 champs, low number. In the words of Dark Souls community, gid gut before you blame Riot.
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T08:20:44.542+0000) > > But he has a point. If Riot wanted to balance only around proplay/challanger, they would aim to make most champs playable there, which could be achieved only by ridiculous buffs bcs not every kit fits in coordinated play. > > Champs that were nerfed duo to proplay can be counted on fingers of one hand, which is from 145 champs, low number. > > In the words of Dark Souls community, gid gut before you blame Riot. Sure. *looks at posts like zed, brand, riven etc* So much point he has. Riot should hire him and pay him 1 million dollars and offer him a free massage every week too as a bonus.
GigglesO (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-10T07:57:40.162+0000) > > You forgot Akali and Zed. XD Shit I'm already at 35 guess I go for the 40 mark. {{champion:150}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:429}} {{champion:24}}
> [{quoted}](name=GigglesO,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T08:11:34.157+0000) > > Shit I'm already at 35 guess I go for the 40 mark. > > {{champion:150}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:429}} {{champion:24}} Might as well switch to 50 bans rather than just 30. 140 champions, and it feels like there's just 40-50. Which begs the question, does it mean these 40-50 champs are a failure due to how unbalanced they are? Or does it mean the remaining champs that aren't played are a failure? If I was Riot's designer, I'd be pissed.
: > [{quoted}](name=MaskedMadness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-10T05:03:52.726+0000) > > From what i believe. the biggest balance issues come from how Riot tries to balance into two catergorys, for LCS pros, and for the regular community. alot of imbalance in champions involve you having to need your entire team to simply kill one guy because he is just that strong. but what your told most usually is that 'they are an easy counter and your just bad'. ive been told that champions like Annie, Master Yi, Garen are easy to counter because they are so simple but i argue that they hard to counter because they are so simple. > > besides all of that. what i want to say is that the most distinct difference between the regular community and the LCS pro community. aside from skill is the fact that they all have the abillity to speak to their team. i solemnly believe that if we got a Team comms instead of linking discord that game would not only be less toxic. but more based on stratedgy rather then the OP champ carried because they got fed Nah, champs that were nerfed solely bcs of proplay are countable on fingers of one hand, Riot is trying to balance around all elos, that's why every frequently played champ sits under 55% winrate. If you are interested in how would game look if it was balanced only around playability of more champs in proplay, feel free to go through [ridiculous suggestions of this guy](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/player/NA/1%20516%20735%203508), "They care only about proplay" is bad meme.
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-07-10T07:28:39.395+0000) > > Nah, champs that were nerfed solely bcs of proplay are countable on fingers of one hand, Riot is trying to balance around all elos, that's why every frequently played champ sits under 55% winrate. > > If you are interested in how would game look if it was balanced only around playability of more champs in proplay, feel free to go through [ridiculous suggestions of this guy](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/player/NA/1%20516%20735%203508), "They care only about proplay" is bad meme. That dude with numbers for a name is nothing but a troll. Have you seen posts from brony gaymer? It's probably the same dude! {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
: being frustrated, yes. being toxic, no. in as few words as possible, the nine other people in the game want the same thing as you, to play and enjoy that time. it is not always that way, the nature of this blender balance moba indie company, but there's really no reason - and i've seen the _**things**_ you've seen - to make people feel bad for playing.
> [{quoted}](name=ihateyouallmuted,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-07-10T05:06:03.314+0000) > > being frustrated, yes. being toxic, no. in as few words as possible, the nine other people in the game want the same thing as you, to play and enjoy that time. it is not always that way, the nature of this blender balance moba indie company, but there's really no reason - and i've seen the _**things**_ you've seen - to make people feel bad for playing. Not saying toxicity shouldn't be reportable. I'm just saying I can't blame them anymore even though it's no excuse to be toxic.
: Don't forget Riot refusing to fix any problems while pumping out more money grabs. I really regret spending $300 on loot this year, could have gone towards a nice Bronycon ticket but I thought Riot was really gonna turn around with how they were talking about stuff. Oh well, lesson learned. The game is pretty shit atm and I think once I hit plat in solo queue and gold in the other queue's I'm just gonna take a break until the next season starts. Gonna get a new TV and play some games I've been holding off on (current TV has input delay of 1.3 seconds). I kinda want to see League shut down only because I feel like it's impossible, but at the same time I really do love the potential this game could have if Riot would just get their shit together. Feels like the staff must have changed heavily to get to this current state. Riot just needs to: 1. Replace the balance team 2. Change the report system or improve it, because right now it really is way too lenient 3. Add back the fun game modes, removing URF and NB won't make more people play ranked, it just makes them leave the game altogether 4. Be more open with the community and speak to us, here, on boards. Not in just a video, not on a reddit post, here, where EVERYONE with a League of Legends account can post.
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-07-10T07:07:14.051+0000) > > Don't forget Riot refusing to fix any problems while pumping out more money grabs. I really regret spending $300 on loot this year, could have gone towards a nice Bronycon ticket but I thought Riot was really gonna turn around with how they were talking about stuff. Oh well, lesson learned. > > The game is pretty shit atm and I think once I hit plat in solo queue and gold in the other queue's I'm just gonna take a break until the next season starts. Gonna get a new TV and play some games I've been holding off on (current TV has input delay of 1.3 seconds). > > I kinda want to see League shut down only because I feel like it's impossible, but at the same time I really do love the potential this game could have if Riot would just get their shit together. Feels like the staff must have changed heavily to get to this current state. > > Riot just needs to: > 1. Replace the balance team > 2. Change the report system or improve it, because right now it really is way too lenient > 3. Add back the fun game modes, removing URF and NB won't make more people play ranked, it just makes them leave the game altogether > 4. Be more open with the community and speak to us, here, on boards. Not in just a video, not on a reddit post, here, where EVERYONE with a League of Legends account can post. I agree on your 4 points really. The changes they're doing right now, makes me wonder if they even play the game. "I don't think you have to play the game in order to design it" Sure...And look what we have. A clown fiesta. "Look, the people who design planes rarely pilot them but have a good idea how they work" Ghosty...jokes on you, because planes are built by multiple people, not one. And comparing planes to league is a bad one because our lives depends on people who build planes to do their jobs perfectly (not excellent, PERFECTLY), while rioters don't hold anything on their hands.
: From what i believe. the biggest balance issues come from how Riot tries to balance into two catergorys, for LCS pros, and for the regular community. alot of imbalance in champions involve you having to need your entire team to simply kill one guy because he is just that strong. but what your told most usually is that 'they are an easy counter and your just bad'. ive been told that champions like Annie, Master Yi, Garen are easy to counter because they are so simple but i argue that they hard to counter because they are so simple. besides all of that. what i want to say is that the most distinct difference between the regular community and the LCS pro community. aside from skill is the fact that they all have the abillity to speak to their team. i solemnly believe that if we got a Team comms instead of linking discord that game would not only be less toxic. but more based on stratedgy rather then the OP champ carried because they got fed
> [{quoted}](name=MaskedMadness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-10T05:03:52.726+0000) > > From what i believe. the biggest balance issues come from how Riot tries to balance into two catergorys, for LCS pros, and for the regular community. alot of imbalance in champions involve you having to need your entire team to simply kill one guy because he is just that strong. but what your told most usually is that 'they are an easy counter and your just bad'. ive been told that champions like Annie, Master Yi, Garen are easy to counter because they are so simple but i argue that they hard to counter because they are so simple. > > besides all of that. what i want to say is that the most distinct difference between the regular community and the LCS pro community. aside from skill is the fact that they all have the abillity to speak to their team. i solemnly believe that if we got a Team comms instead of linking discord that game would not only be less toxic. but more based on stratedgy rather then the OP champ carried because they got fed Pro play is also making the game toxic. We are the ones who keep the game alive and we are also the ones who even keep the pros have the means to get the food on the table. If we all quit the game, riot will go titanic and faker (and other pros) will have to either 1- get his ass back to college and get a job (assuming he didn't even finish college) or 2- work as a stripper (depending on how screwed they are). As for the streamers...Well the same goes with the pros situation too.
: I could not agree more. In game it is just chaos. Any team that makes a meta where it is legitimately viable to go 5 carries into a game, needs to reconsider their philosophy for the game's future.
> [{quoted}](name=Power Cosmic,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-10T04:39:28.548+0000) > > I could not agree more. In game it is just chaos. Any team that makes a meta where it is legitimately viable to go 5 carries into a game, needs to reconsider their philosophy for the game's future. Do they even have a philosophy to begin with? GhostCrawler said their design philosophy says a champ should have good theme, satisfaction to play, fair to play against and good mechanics. And then we have certainlyt who says "fuck you" to fairness and overloads his champs with so much shit that it's like playing Skyrim but in god mode.
GigglesO (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-09T21:21:18.946+0000) > > > That statement will be true if we had 30 bans rather than 10. {{champion:81}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:202}} {{champion:64}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:266}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:246}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:517}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:142}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:497}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:350}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:51}} {{champion:10}} Those would be near the top of my list.
> [{quoted}](name=GigglesO,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-10T04:20:00.076+0000) > > {{champion:81}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:202}} {{champion:64}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:266}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:246}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:517}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:142}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:497}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:350}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:51}} {{champion:10}} > > Those would be near the top of my list. You forgot Akali and Zed. XD
: As a support main I sometimes go against pyke and its cancerous, without my adc understanding that his ult goes through shields im forced to play soraka or nami just so they don't get executed. And if they do they blame me for bad performance, claiming I wasn't doing anything and just watching them die. But low and behold the reason for your death: **COOLDOWNS** yes that exists Ashe :) no I can not rush cdr with you always getting caught out all the time :) My point is, some people are just toxic because they can't handle the blame for themselves, they seek others to take the blame just so they dont have to deal with the match being on them when it really was. So in other words, they are stubborn and weak minded in some ways.
> [{quoted}](name=WhirlwindFox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-10T04:02:38.514+0000) > > As a support main I sometimes go against pyke and its cancerous, without my adc understanding that his ult goes through shields im forced to play soraka or nami just so they don't get executed. And if they do they blame me for bad performance, claiming I wasn't doing anything and just watching them die. But low and behold the reason for your death: **COOLDOWNS** yes that exists Ashe :) no I can not rush cdr with you always getting caught out all the time :) > > My point is, some people are just toxic because they can't handle the blame for themselves, they seek others to take the blame just so they dont have to deal with the match being on them when it really was. So in other words, they are stubborn and weak minded in some ways. That's a combination of toxic teammate and toxic champs. That's even worse than just one of them.
hiyares (NA)
: see i started taking a break for this exact reason...... im a top main but i also pay some mid but im getting tired of seeing the same spam skill do damage champs in hte lane ohh dont get me wrong i do thinkg some of the m need skill to be effective like i think riven actually requires skill or i shit on the other player. but things like {{champion:266}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:24}} which lets be real are not that mechanically intensive and only require you to understand how to play into the tanks/melees they counter and you auto win the lane and get to the point you can 2v1 jungler and enemy top. plus the scaling that some of them get. I am a tank main but i tried to get into this meta playing stuff liek renekton kennen darius and its just not fun for me. the games litteraly end within 20 mins in ranked most of the time due to just snowball earlygame champs that pop your ass. i have been away from league for about a week now and im honestly just going to wait till next season at this point. so many frustrating matchups that i don even wanan bother with it. also lower elo is about what is the easiest to play that can win game thus why trynd is becoming a more popular pick top its how smurfs climb quickly
> [{quoted}](name=hiyares,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Ko92khH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-10T00:54:42.016+0000) > > see i started taking a break for this exact reason...... im a top main but i also pay some mid but im getting tired of seeing the same spam skill do damage champs in hte lane ohh dont get me wrong i do thinkg some of the m need skill to be effective like i think riven actually requires skill or i shit on the other player. but things like {{champion:266}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:24}} which lets be real are not that mechanically intensive and only require you to understand how to play into the tanks/melees they counter and you auto win the lane and get to the point you can 2v1 jungler and enemy top. plus the scaling that some of them get. I am a tank main but i tried to get into this meta playing stuff liek renekton kennen darius and its just not fun for me. the games litteraly end within 20 mins in ranked most of the time due to just snowball earlygame champs that pop your ass. i have been away from league for about a week now and im honestly just going to wait till next season at this point. so many frustrating matchups that i don even wanan bother with it. also lower elo is about what is the easiest to play that can win game thus why trynd is becoming a more popular pick top its how smurfs climb quickly I use to main top lane as my secondary role (my primary is mid) and honestly top is more toxic than even mid even if it's a zed mid who gets a kill all the while missing half his shit. Thanks lethality! You're so healthy and fair!
Rylalei (EUNE)
: Am I missing something....
I don't know...whenever i play jungle i make it a habit to gank lanes because farming jungle monsters is kind of boring. I tend to play Amumu so i can have a strong gank.
: Blitz breaking shields in 1.14
You know what's funny? Blitz is already a counter to shield supports because once he hooks support or adc, no amount of shield or healing will help. So this shield break mechanic will be an overkill. I wouldn't be surprised if Blitz's ban rate increases greatly. This is not a smart change, this is one hell of a toxic change.
Rioter Comments
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4akB1iOI,comment-id=000400000000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-08T19:15:37.159+0000) > > when you fail to adapt then yea its a problem. > > Funny how youre acting this biased and yet youre calling out people who are biased towards TK. > But hey all cool, when they gut your main to the point its unplayable, dont you dare complaining about it. > And no, I dont main TK. Adapting does not magically remove the problem. The thing about diversity is that when champions are played at different roles or ways that the opponent can't do shit about regardless how good or how much they adapt, and have very little to no counterplay, then that's where the problem is. How can you adapt to something that's not adaptable? Vel'Koz is already among the most balanced champions in League of Legends. He's very rarely touched. Very rarely.
> [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4akB1iOI,comment-id=00040000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-08T21:19:38.652+0000) > > But you can adapt to TK. The issue is that players in s9 want to play whatever the fuck they want expecting to brute-force their lane and when something like TK shows up and they cant win against it while trying to brute-force the lane, they complain. I even named some of the champs you can use against him. I even said what players are doing incorrectly against him (and thats something even LS said). Butyou ignored it, typical s9 player :) > If TK had "very little to no counterplay" how come his winrate isnt higher than 51/52%? For a simple champ as him thats SOOOOO OP thats very low if I can say so myself. > > Biased opinion. I think he deals too much damage while having too much safety as a support and should be nerfed to the point where he's straight up unplayable as a support AND midlaner because he ruined bot lane. After all thats what will happen to TK. > Would you agree to it? cuz if you dont youre simply biased just as much as people youre calling out. Don't you dare bring up Vel'Koz support to this shit. This is a fuckin abomination and the wimpiest shit to ever be played. The squid belongs in mid lane and mid lane alone. I'm against Vel support for that matter. But one thing i know for sure is at least Vel is vulnerable in the bot lane while Tahm isn't much vulnerable on both bot and top.
Midg3t (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4akB1iOI,comment-id=00040000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-08T17:18:41.623+0000) > > Diversity is a double edged sword. > But what I see is it has more problems than good. > when you fail to adapt then yea its a problem. > You want diversity? Try different builds. Funny how youre acting this biased and yet youre calling out people who are biased towards TK. But hey all cool, when they gut your main to the point its unplayable, dont you dare complaining about it. And no, I dont main TK.
> [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4akB1iOI,comment-id=000400000000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-08T19:15:37.159+0000) > > when you fail to adapt then yea its a problem. > > Funny how youre acting this biased and yet youre calling out people who are biased towards TK. > But hey all cool, when they gut your main to the point its unplayable, dont you dare complaining about it. > And no, I dont main TK. Adapting does not magically remove the problem. The thing about diversity is that when champions are played at different roles or ways that the opponent can't do shit about regardless how good or how much they adapt, and have very little to no counterplay, then that's where the problem is. How can you adapt to something that's not adaptable? Vel'Koz is already among the most balanced champions in League of Legends. He's very rarely touched. Very rarely.
Midg3t (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4akB1iOI,comment-id=000400000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-08T13:36:50.754+0000) > > One thing I wish in this game is where champions are completely locked to their roles and lanes. Like Vel'Koz And Lux in mid lane only and can't go bot or support, Irelia only on top lane, and Vayne in bot only. > > This way half the problem of diversity will be gone. Not 100% but better than nothing. then you just kill diversity. dont be selfish man, just because you dont like diversity doesnt mean every1 should be fine with it. if you kill diversity it will result in stale metas where only certain champs will prevail in each lane. cuz a lot of times x champ ends up in y lane cuz of either balance changes or as an answer to certain picks. A good example of it is malza support who was strong af on bot due to balance changes. Which resulted in mf being a support as an answe to malza and zyra. and the same thing could be done in TKs case. Find an answer to him. But unfortuantely we are in s9, where players would rather complain than learn how to play around something.
> [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4akB1iOI,comment-id=0004000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-08T15:06:48.000+0000) > > then you just kill diversity. dont be selfish man, just because you dont like diversity doesnt mean every1 should be fine with it. > if you kill diversity it will result in stale metas where only certain champs will prevail in each lane. > cuz a lot of times x champ ends up in y lane cuz of either balance changes or as an answer to certain picks. > > A good example of it is malza support who was strong af on bot due to balance changes. Which resulted in mf being a support as an answe to malza and zyra. and the same thing could be done in TKs case. Find an answer to him. > But unfortuantely we are in s9, where players would rather complain than learn how to play around something. Diversity is a double edged sword. But what I see is it has more problems than good. You want diversity? Try different builds.
: it's not as if i said I don't mind nerfs and proposed some literally within the post read next time
> [{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4akB1iOI,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2019-07-08T13:37:27.680+0000) > > it's not as if i said I don't mind nerfs and proposed some literally within the post > > read next time Oh I did. I just don't give a shit. Gut the frog. With the lanes he ruined to a shithole he deserves to be in the shithole. Simple as that. {{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}}
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