Gildarzt (EUW)
: How disguise a nerf... > [{quoted}](name=RiotRepertoir,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M0w6AX9f,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-03-08T07:01:36.475+0000) > **Shaco** > Of the stuff here, I'd say Shaco's is most experimental. These changes reflect my understanding (which, admittedly, could be off) that Shaco players feel pretty crappy about their early game because they feel forced into putting points in a Q that yields them literally no damage on rankup. These changes hope to be power neutral alongside the Duskblade changes, but an increase in satisfaction. By flattening Q's invis duration to 3 seconds and removing the CD return mechanic, he should be able to put early points in his E while feeling like Q is still fulfilling its purpose. If he gets to max E, he gets more early game damage and has more control over the outcome of the early game. You'll notice that Shaco has the most significant changes, and that although his damage numbers are not being outright increased like others, his kit's damage should come online sooner and give him needed agency over the outcome over the game rather than relying on Duskblade 1-shots in the later parts. The E slow nerf is to offset some of the increased power of his very early ganks provided by a meaningfully longer invis duration. 3 seems like a reasonable maximum duration for his invis given that it used to be 3.5 pre-rework, and that was at a time when dropping a pink ward when he was around was much more effective than options against his current invis. > > * REMOVED :: Reduced cooldown on basic attacking after casting Q > * Q CD :: 16/15.5/15/14.5/14 >>> 16/14.5/13/11.5/10 > * Q Duration :: 1.5/2.25/3/3.75/4.5 >>> 3 > * E Slow :: 20/22.5/25/27.5/30% >>> 10/15/20/25/30% Buffs: 1. Less Q cd at levels 3, 4 and 5. 2. More invisibility at levels 1 and 2 on Q. Nerfs: 1. No cdr when you attack after Q 2. Less invisibility duration at levels 4 and 5 3. Less slow at levels 1, 2, 3 and 4 4. Duskblade nerfs Im sorry, im really sorry, but im fucking tired of your lies, im been here for 8 years maining shaco last 6 and every time you say "we will compensate / buffs / stuff shaco" becomes in a nerf. You are lying to our faces and im tired of this.
> [{quoted}](name=Gildarzt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M0w6AX9f,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2018-03-08T09:05:15.359+0000) > > How disguise a nerf... > > Buffs: > 1. Less Q cd at levels 3, 4 and 5. > 2. More invisibility at levels 1 and 2 on Q. > > Nerfs: > 1. No cdr when you attack after Q > 2. Less invisibility duration at levels 4 and 5 > 3. Less slow at levels 1, 2, 3 and 4 > 4. Duskblade nerfs > > Im sorry, im really sorry, but im fucking tired of your lies, im been here for 8 years maining shaco last 6 and every time you say "we will compensate / buffs / stuff shaco" becomes in a nerf. > > You are lying to our faces and im tired of this. true
: 8.6 Duskblade and related changes
Well, Shaco is really weak for 2 seasons now, HE NEEDS HIS E TO BE MAGIC DMG, IN ORDER TO NOT DEPEND ON DUSKBLADE, HE WILL BE PUSHED INTO CRIT SHACO AGAIN, WHICH IS FINE... ALSO IT WOULDNT HURT TO BUFF HIS R EXPLOSION. ROCK ON GUYS
: > Do you have anything in the works if Shaco feels too weak after the Duskblade changes? We'll have to have a careful watch on ALL of these champs if we go forward with lists like these because they seem pretty aggressive to me, but we want to give a real shot at them being equally viable next patch as they are now rather than just "good enough." Definitely agree with weak rankup sentiment for Shaco, and it's something to consider if he needs that follow-up for sure. Unsure exactly what that ought to look like, which means if we get the chance, most reasonable paths should be on the table.
> [{quoted}](name=RiotRepertoir,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M0w6AX9f,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-03-08T08:20:43.144+0000) > > We'll have to have a careful watch on ALL of these champs if we go forward with lists like these because they seem pretty aggressive to me, but we want to give a real shot at them being equally viable next patch as they are now rather than just "good enough." > > Definitely agree with weak rankup sentiment for Shaco, and it's something to consider if he needs that follow-up for sure. Unsure exactly what that ought to look like, which means if we get the chance, most reasonable paths should be on the table. I think Shaco needs his E dmg to be magic in order to not depend on duskblade, meaning to be pushed back to crit assassin build, also bugfix his clone to proc shiv passive, thats not working as intended for sooooooo long
Meddler (NA)
: We're talking about Shaco. Risk there is he's pretty strong already at most skill levels already, so we'd already been considering a nerf on pub stomp grounds. Nothing conclusive yet, but less sure we should add power to him as a result, even if Duskblade gets nerfed.
> [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=X3P0v1Vh,comment-id=00080003,timestamp=2018-02-23T19:50:39.746+0000) > > We're talking about Shaco. Risk there is he's pretty strong already at most skill levels already, so we'd already been considering a nerf on pub stomp grounds. Nothing conclusive yet, but less sure we should add power to him as a result, even if Duskblade gets nerfed. Gold 4 adc main xd(no flame btw)
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: February 16
Rip {{champion:35}} with dusk nerf
CrabDust (NA)
: Preseason Healthbar Update
hey guys, I'm goin a bit off topic here but will Shaco receive new buffs soon since he's trash atm, or is myb rework revert in question?
: Short answer: you don't. Long answer: I'm too lazy to explain everything, but basically he was beaten to death with the nerf bat several weeks after his rework. Riot has officially given up on him. He is now the new Yorick; destined to be forgotten about forever.
Thats where we, Shaco mains kick in, no matter how nerfed we will play him and make him work
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: shacooooo legendary skin
Ehern (EUNE)
: Shaco Q
Well, if they are competent as a company we would see propriate solution for Shaco's kit but they are all about linning their pockets with skins
Engelin (NA)
: Metas come and go. Lethality meta is gone, tank/ardent censer meta(s) is/are here. I just dread the imminent mage meta
> [{quoted}](name=Engelin,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gOEIKQ0l,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-08-27T19:00:50.186+0000) > > Metas come and go. Lethality meta is gone, tank/ardent censer meta(s) is/are here. > > I just dread the imminent mage meta You are not getting it, I'm not complaining about metas, just those unhealthy nerfs and game being unbalanced in general
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: Punk Rocker Shaco
As Shaco main myself I think your idea is awful(no offense) that doesn't match Shaco personality at all, he is supposed to be silent assassin but at the same time heavy trickster and mind gamer (in other words psychopath) So ideal skin for him could be something like Project Shaco or something in that manner
: A bit irritating that they haven't fixed this. It's a minor issue but it's been 3 months
What do you expect from stupid piece of shit company?
: They "hate" him because his current iteration is ritled with tons of confusing animations and deceptive damage levels. A Shaco can gank you, and seem like he isn't doing much. He can return a minute later, and because of his correct set-up, he can pull it off very successfully. He tends to tilt players in lower levels of competitive play while being generally ineffectual in higher ELO. In reality, they don't hate his concept, just the execution. They have expressed a desire to make changes to Shaco in the future that will keep his unique "Deceiver" style, but make him more consistent and bring his visuals up to modern standards.
> [{quoted}](name=DragonTroopBeta,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=aq1NngaJ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-08-16T21:52:13.357+0000) > > They "hate" him because his current iteration is ritled with tons of confusing animations and deceptive damage levels. A Shaco can gank you, and seem like he isn't doing much. He can return a minute later, and because of his correct set-up, he can pull it off very successfully. > > He tends to tilt players in lower levels of competitive play while being generally ineffectual in higher ELO. In reality, they don't hate his concept, just the execution. They have expressed a desire to make changes to Shaco in the future that will keep his unique "Deceiver" style, but make him more consistent and bring his visuals up to modern standards. It would be kind of you to link that
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: Demon Shaco skin concept
It's awful, I don't like it, give us PROJECT: Shaco instead
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