Meddler (NA)
: I expect we'll be able to get Aatrox to a significantly better state in terms of pro versus regular play than Azir/Ryze. I believe a chunk of the issue has been his early game strength, which pro play tends to be especially sensitive to. We're trying to put some power back into him later to test that theory, see whether we can equalize his performance more now that we've got a bit of room to buff.
Buffing one of the most picked midlaners, that are not supposed to be even in mid ? Do I see correctly ?
Shaian (EUW)
: Do you ever want to address Zyras winrate graph, which starts at 56% winrate until 20 minutes and drops straight to 48% at 30min+?
I see riot bots already came to downvote. To enforce their turth and be blind against facts.
: Thoughts on Karma? She is seeing basically no play in pro play and is one of the worst performing champions in soloq (lowest performing support). It would be nice to see a simple buff given to her, since it's unlikely that it'll push her back to pro play meta and her rework isn't due for some months still.
Karma support, have you gone mad ? Gragas is the best supp ! The way he can be supporting team ! Or at least they think so. when they let gragas be best supp in game while nobody picks nami, karma, janna.
Shaian (EUW)
: Do you ever want to address Zyras winrate graph, which starts at 56% winrate until 20 minutes and drops straight to 48% at 30min+?
Or her pick rate in Korea Challenger. Oh w8 still not single zyra game on Korea high elo this patch. But there is 190 games of gragas supp. It makes sense. Gragas should be best supp. Picks like zyra and nami should be played on mid. Oh w8 there are not on mid either. So maybe jungle ? Nope there not either. So they are good at toplane ? Nope. They are good at benching. Whole season. Life in bench.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: September 5
Can you finally balance mid so there can be played more mages ? Or ADC players can have lane only for themselves but mages can't ? So many mages are totally destroyed by champs that don't belong to mid. Tanks and bruisers have huge advantage against picks like {{champion:43}} , {{champion:268}} {{champion:38}} . In Korea challenger ppl don't play half of mages on mid. But they play things like irelia, aatrox, jayce. because so many mages feel so weak. Same with healing supports. Nobody is picking them in best elo. I don't understand why pyke, gragas are better option for supporting then enchanters ?
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Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: July 25
I don't understand it. Whole season 7 was about 4 tanks and one adc. Whole season 8 before adc nerfs was about to get adc more fed then enemy adc. (Final game with Uzi in Mid-season is best proof). So why you are returning power to adc ? When even now best strategy is to funnel adc on mid ? Nobody wants adc in game. Why you are hearing crying of adc players ? Why you are not hearing midlaners ? We don't want bruisers on mid. What have you done ? Nothing. One nerf to irelia and even now you are getting buff to her. You all are jsut listening to more players role bcs it is making you more money... But without other people playing thier roles adc will play alone in game, honestly so many good midlaners and junglers from my friendlist already left . I swear if worlds 8 will be decided only by ADC players and not by whole team then I quit. Like all my friends already did. Because if we wanted to play click game we would play idle rpg and not LoL. Dota is way more balanced towards skill. There is no skill in crit based ADC-s. and one more note guess why ADC players are benched in pro. Yup it's bcs you overpowered that role, so they forget how to play other champs. have you seen midlaners to be benched when tanks come mid ? when bruisers come mid ? when assasins come mid ?
: It's kind of funny how much u loses games in lose streak.
Tell me something about it. I dropped from Diamond V 50 LP to Plat V 75 LP in two weaks. Having loose wins about 4/30. And now when I totally stopped care and just play champs that I have not played for a while for fun, I won 6 of 7. Your contribution to climbing was never so low. Reason is Duo Queue. You can see it on pro scene. All the boosting strategies are about to get somebody overfed. And well you can't match two players. You just can't. In last season there was at least gold share. Now after that changes to have gold only for killing one, game become uncaryable by solo trying. {{champion:268}}
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Jarring (NA)
: what like.. dota teleport scrolls? it would be nice.. but they already have a summoner spell for it although it's not nearly as good. Also there is no recall in dota so that's another thing. Most of the basics of this game like recall and summoner spells were balanced around dota and what the creator had issues with like denying creeps, stacking jg camps, losing gold while dying, teleport scrolls, etc. adding portals would be too big of an ordeal to even consider when they already compensated for the lack of teleport scrolls with recall and the teleport summoner spell.
Yeah it would take a long time to balance it, maybe make it a reward like now the wards are. But portals are just one of the things that could balance the impact of supports. They should somehow brew potions for team as another example. They can heal towers. Heal baron when enemy is doing it etc... Or support item that allows you to set cc traps.
: Maybe I dont want to play mages when I play marksmen? I'm not trolling if I pick a marksmen. I'm playing who I want to play. It's not my fault or problem if two mages who aren't even balanced for a duo lane are now shit kicking me because I cant be perfect and dodge every skillshot. Nor is it my I cant survive one spell rotation and die to mages who are intended to just be flatly better than me at early levels. Nor is it my fault that Riot gutted all of the possible early game sustain options that marksmen used to have so the damage they do to me with the one or two spells they might hit now stick far too harshly, completely punishing me just for being in the lane. If I had a choice, i would play my 525 range, no long range skillshot ADC somewhere other than bot. But riot wont give me that option either.
picking marksmen is okay. where I did say picking it is trolling ? I just hit a lot of marksmens, that TROLLS or AFK (looks like not your case) because of the changes.
: AUTO FILL WAS A MISTAKE
Yeah but it was needed even on season 7 Janna freelo. Now you would wait ages for support.
: idk. I don't think they need buffs, at least not enchanters, they've been broken for quite a bit now I can agree. if they just add more damage that would sure as hell push even more mages, and making everyone tankier would just make unkillable braums again. they cant exactly make it more appealing via a buff without breaking something else.
it was proposed many times that supports need portals to move between lanes. Not so sure why it was not tested. With this thing you would be compensated to less income and weaker items. (Yes they are cheaper, but you can't carry game with ardent censer and redemption, even before nerfs you needed decent adc to have impact). So yeah when your bot-lane duolaner is under-performing you have no chance to win game. As example let's look at nami, yes in early you can litterally 1v2 enemy botlane, but if your adc is sleeping the games went to mid-game and then you have zero impact, your w starts to deal significantly less % dmg and all you can do is beg to gods that your teammates will play good in teamfight.
Rioter Comments
: Like I said, Karma needs them. {{champion:40}} {{champion:117}} were broken long enough. > Shields supports were broken Yes they were? If you want to tell me they were not, don't even bother replying. I honestly don't want another season of seeing them in literally every game, no matter if it's SoloQ or pro play.
other shield supports were under-powered and ardent had last season bad passive, that make it go to item. There was problem, they should buff other healers not nerf these. And also buff tank supports. But guess riot is happy with supports have zero impact on game. But guess you have not palyed other moba so talking with you is pointless sicne you have programmed in your attitude that supports are supposed to be weaker. Play HoTS for example. You would rage over supports so much xd
: Because shield supports were broken before and needed that nerf, and Assassins were not despite what the boards say. The only one needing compensation buffs is {{champion:43}}.
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/kr/platinum/plus/champion/Lulu/Support/ Support items are so bad. Lich bane on lulu better then redemption. Zhonya on janna better then redemption. Frozen heart on janna better then ardent censer. Easy. It's just matter of time when enchanter supports stop buying that under-powered items. Imagine toplaner having better winrate with ardent censer then with trinity force. THEN THE SUPPORT ITEMS WOULD BE OP.
FafliX (EUW)
: Do you guys have plans for Karma yet? Does the data show she needs some love after the nerfs yet, or do you need more time to figure that out?
no they don't meddler is happy to see her with 45% winrate and as total worst option on every role. But meddler is not happy with YI on op tier he wants to buff him.
: Because shield supports were broken before and needed that nerf, and Assassins were not despite what the boards say. The only one needing compensation buffs is {{champion:43}}.
Shields supports were broken ? Karma sitting on 5 tier for 2 seasons ? And have you played supports? Since gold share is removed from shutdown kills, they have zero impact on game. And nope I don't play supports now, but I feel so sorry for them, compared to mid top jungle and adc they have abolute zero impact on games.
: Because shield supports were broken before and needed that nerf, and Assassins were not despite what the boards say. The only one needing compensation buffs is {{champion:43}}.
Shields supports were broken ? Karma sitting on 5 tier for 2 seasons ?
Rioter Comments
: > Well LCK showed that Dopa words about that taric-yi is unbeatable is truth. Nice, how you manipulate [Dopa's words](https://youtu.be/-P-itot2BOs?t=294) to raise your propaganda. Btw, why does [Yi have 49.04% WR with 9.60% PR](http://www.op.gg/champion/statistics), if he is such a free win? What you are complaining about is a funnel comp, alot of champions can and do abuse it. And yes there is counter play, enemy team gets no jungler, you either gank 3 man top or 4 man bot after clearing mid. Just lost a game with a trash smite nunu/karthus funnel comp on my team. I just wish they make solo Q solo and not duoQ.
Yi have 100% pick/ban rate and 100% winrate in LCK. Dopa said it in another video. 49% Because ppl don't know how to play it still.
: Please no , don't talk , please , they will nerf Taric instead ... you know how their brains work
I don't think so they will probably don't ban either of them. I think shutdown gold need to be reverted and mages need to spam mana on clear like before and ad players need item that help them clear mid asap (in a cost of that they have less power in fights, they would rush it only in against this type of strategy)
: Played once against {{champion:44}} +{{champion:11}} . I pick {{champion:33}}, they hated me.
Good win at least 4 games of 10 against it and your words may have value. Winning over random ppl who don't know how to play it don't prove the strategy is bad. (maybe, maybe it was really your strategy, that helped you win, but most likely it was their mistakes that helped you win)
: > > Time to change your items, not going full damage vs some matchups, change your trading behavior, etc. > This is a joke right??????????????? How do you change your items or trading behavior when the game is geared towards ending early, instabursting everyone and curbstomping. The only behavior you can really focus on changing is not taking damage and dealing as much as possible but adcs were already doing that .................. And don't even think about change items to be more defensive lmfao cuz guess what, losing damage is not worth in the current state of the game sorry to tell you.
How do you change item build ? Well maybe by click on item ? LOL https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Caitlyn/ADC/ caitlyn has 60+ winrate with first BOTRK, IT WAS EVEN SUGGESTED TO YOU ADC PLAYERS THAT YOU SHOULD RUSH THAT ITEM. But yeah you will not try it, because you want to stomp everybody with crit in early game like before, when other roles had zero impact and it was all about protecting adc.
: Those strats have shit to do with the state of yi in normal play. Its because the jg is so little gold/exp right now combined with the snowballyness of games, and the way support items work. All those things come together to make that shit broken, its just like the yi kayle strat last season before yi was supposidly "busted"
Yi kayle was just boosting strategy, not the best one in game. You could outplay it, in these days yi were not that strong. But if you watch other games yi is permaban now.
Rioter Comments
: oh i guess then im a scrub i try to go Sorcery plus precision tree for tf i like to take too much risk
Yeah dopa likes to run either spellbook or grasp in some situations. (grasp vs melee, it is good since you just pick card and proc it with card, with this runes you can survive first talon/zed/kata ultimate etc.) Spellbook when you need additional utility in some matchups like vs vladimir etc.
FireDrizzle (EUNE)
: Towers are reducing toplanes importance
Well what about you could give items to towers ? I think this way tower problem can be solved since if they are on default they are either strong or weak. But now they would be just as strong as team made them .
: what makes tf top pick?
he can't loose lane with good runes. and not loose lane + free roam with r means gg.
: While I agree , but can't agree about Fizz and Zed being bad picks , both of them got +50% winrate in KR Challenger .
they can't be blind picked. Mid kayle absolutely deletes them for example. Or as it was mentioned here they struggle against irelia.
: Why would they turn off Ranked? So all of us who doesn't want to, or can, play Clash are getting one gamemode removed?
why not ? you have ranked queue removed regularly due to bugs etc. It would not be whole day remove, just when the clash games will start. Maybe even after start it is not needed, so 20 min of ranked queue removed is perfectly fine.
: Brilliant idea. Punish people that want to play Ranked because others want to play Clash. wtf.
Well there are people that want to play Clash also. Beside EUNE and other minor servers, it looks like servers can't hold that much.
Rioter Comments
: Funnel comp, its a coordinated duo comp, Karthus nunu can do the same. It's not picked as often as you think... And who the f cares about EUNE or any smaller shitty server? Challenger in EUNE can barely hit D1 in NA or EUW... NA, EUW and KR are enough to have a good idea about stats...
Then learn to read his winrate on high elo in korea is 49%. The winrate on minor regions I just pointed out, how little of diamond++ games are there on league of graphs.
: Diamond stats are more reliable. You linked Plat stats.
once again switch diamond to russia or eune on league of graphs. or come to stats for all. For example Ivern have 57% winrate on diamond there. If he really had that much he would have way more pickrate.
: Would a **not** "low elo stomper" be at 45.6% winrate in high elo? https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/masteryi/jungle/diamond Also, in what world are you trying to start a fight on Yi who's already been in combat for 4 seconds?
His winrate is between 55-95% with taric mid. that's the problem. Also you have cherry-pciked stat. Yi winrate on high elo according to op.gg is 49%, league of graphs is good for many things but defiently not to decide what is op on diamond+ since there is not enough data. Switch dimaond+ to eune and you have yi with 55% winrate switch to Russia and you have Yi with 0% winrate. (proof of too little stats)
: Chill tho. Look up a bit and you'll see Meddler is talking about Karma. Also you got to think about how they have to balance. If there are massive problems that need to be addressed, then they sure are gonna not waste time on Karma's mess. Karma is not a pressing issue, but she will be fixed eventually. And chill with attacking people. Meddler doesn't deserve asshats like screaming at him over something that isn't even true. Maybe if you framed your argument in the style of being a respectful person, maybe you will get somewhere.
I've been patient for 2 seasons on weak karma. I can be tilted. People always are, when the ones who control something don't listen to people for too long.
Arothox (EUW)
: just a big lol XD The number of healing shielding is way lower then number of damage dealt to champions.
Why it should be ? Zac have more healing then all supports. It's like Janna deals more dmg then all adc. This is how weak supports are. They are not even leading the list on healing. Zac, Vladimir, warwick, trundle, nidalee, xin, kayn, sion, hecarim HEALING MORE THEN NAMI. AND THEY ALSO TANK DMG AND DEAL DMG.
Arothox (EUW)
: support is not op are you kidding me?
No they are not have a look at RAW NUMBERS. The number of healing shielding is way lower then number of damage dealt to champions. Their items are cheap but they lack power. Even now ap sona have more winrate then support sona. If so why other champions don't use ardent ? Orianna ? BECAUSE IT IS WEAK.
Vanjie (NA)
: What is going on with Karma, Meddler? DId you forget about her? You promised us work on her last year and it is 5 years and 6 months now with no work on her. The nerfs to her shields are warranted and so are the shield nerfs to enchanters. Unfortunately I just love how you are not giving any of their kits compensation or actually working on them if you know the only thing holding them together was their shields. What are you doing about Karma's: 1) Identity crisis. 2) Incomplete animations and art assets? 3) All over the place kit that confuses players as to who and what Karma really is. 4) Bland and boring kit that has elements from mechanics and abilities already in the game. 5) The Karma mains who have been complaining for more than 3 years now for you to work on her. Maybe if you guys stopped changing the game so much and prioritizing work on champions like Ahri and Lux every year, you can get to champions like Lissandra, Fizz, Morde, Skarner, Malz and Karma. Stop with the favoritism Meddler. It is getting old.
It is absolutely unacceptable to this nerf happen to karma without buffing her. It is the champ that I have most mastery points on, so I know how weak she is now. 1. 46-48 % Winrate in EVERY stat page 2. ABSOLUTLY WORST OPTION BOTH FOR TOP AND MID due to op.gg 3. Weak Karma caused Faker (best player, wp in balance team, when the best player can't win) to loose worlds. (Faker started to play SINGED AND IRELIA MID, IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT ***** RIOT ? ) 4. At MSI who picked karma mid lost, if it was not koreans and koreans had about 50% winrate only too. 5. She is weak for 2 seasons, before that she WAS BALANCED in soloqueue, only strong in PRO stage due to her engage potential in PRO stage. 6. Her core items are already UNDERPOWERED AND U NERF THEM ??? (Ardent, unholy, mikael (seriously nerfing mikael ?)) 7. With all the movement speed around and YOUR NERF TO EMPOWERED E her r+e IS JOKE 8. Her mantra w in teamfight is completly useless. It needs to drain life for every mili-second the root exist (like Illaloi) 9. You can't carry teamifght's with KARMA EVEN NOW, THE SHIELD IS JOKE AND YOU ARE MAKING IT WORSE ? 10. You are removing even her last chance to wave-clear minion dematerializer. 11. You made her attack speed based mage (due to ult) but YET her basic attack dmg is so LOW and she has no EMPOWERED BASIC. 12. All her poke is so easily healed by lifesteal, heals or warmog. 13. She has now 49% winrate against LB and SHE WAS DESIGNED TO BE LB COUNTER. 14. Due to op.gg SHE IS WINNING LANE IN ONLY 8/52 CASES AND IN THAT 8 CASES ONLY LITTLE BIT WHILE FOR EXAMPLE AGAINST YASUO SHE HAS ONLY 38% CHANCE TO WIN LANE. AGAINST ZOE 27% ????? 15. START TO LEARN TO LISTEN TO WHAT PRO PLAYERS ARE COMPLAINING, IT IS NOT THAT SUPPORTS ARE OP, IT IS THAT 2 MAN BOTLANE TOGETHER IS OP. YOU NEED TO REWORK SUPPORT ITEMS, SO THEY HAVE 30 SECOND ACTIVE TO TELEPORT BETWEEN LANES. HEAL - ENGAGE -HEAL -SWITCH LANE THAT SHOULD BE SUPPORT JOB IN LANING. AND YOU NEED TO GIVE SUPPORTS BUFFS ADAPTIVE. SO WHEN YOU SHIELD MAGE WITH JANNA HE GOT AP AND NOT AD OMG. LULU EMPOWERED BASICS ON MAGE WILL DEAL BONUS AP DMG. ETC. 16. and Don't forget to ignore this post or nerf her even more and WATCH JUST WATCH HOW EVEN PRO PLAYERS STARTED TO BE DISGUSTED BY YOUR PATCHES. IS TENCEN PAYING ENOUGH TO BOOST CHINEESE TEAMS BY PREFERRING UZI CHAMPS ?
PhRoXz0n (NA)
: Champions should be able to exert their power when fed. There is intended to be some variance in which champions are able to do well on standing DPS checks and not (and makes these champs feel special and have different forms of counterplay - be careful of fast barons when Udyr/Yi/WW/Nunu are in the game). Granted, if non-fed champions are able to solo Baron too quickly (they are meant to take a long time), I agree that's a problem.
Solution is pretty simple. Give baron more armor, so you can't solo him with bruisers. If no you have huge imbalance in critical factor, why should bruiser be able to get baron solo and mages not ?
Snowman Arc (EUNE)
: Don't know what elo you're in, but in Plat 5, I get matched with ex Diamonds, Plat 1s, and even Gold 5s quite often.
You should be rewarded bonus LP for your performance. It doesn't matter if you are Challenger or silver. There are always 5 unbalanced lanes. Why you should lost LP if toplane, jungle ints when you are support ? Or why you should lost LP when you play mid and enemy bot destroy your bot. Faker see only part of the truth, since he has not played in lower elo's in ages. He would say same about low elo now. You are unable to carry game if you have good oponent on mid, while bot are smurfs and your bot is not for example. By rewarding your performance with LP, they would also reduce trolling, since who would want to loose 50 LP ? And then they could even remove trolling bans, since that's bad thing for me, the risk that system marks you as troll because you have lost like 4 games in row with bad score is something that players should not feel. And with this systems trolls that intentionally are loosing games would drop really fast to bronze.
: it's not about her winrate being too high, it's about long duration shields being really frustrating to play against. BTW pretty sure meddler mentioned that they would reduce duration and increase shield size
LOL IT IS FRUSTRATING FOR YOU ? WHEN YOUR AD CHAMPS HAVE OVER 70% WINRATE WITH TRIFORCE BUILD ? WOW ! BETTER TAKE THE SHIELDS AWAY AND HEALS TOO, SO AD PLAYERS CAN T COMPLAIN FINNALY
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 1
Why are you nerfing support items ? https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/items I think you should seriously look here in balance team. You are ignoring that ad items have best winrate for way too long ! BEST WINRATE ON TOP MIDDLE AND JUNGLE AND ADC ! NERF AD ITEMS OR GO TO EXTINCTION FINNALY. NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY GAME WITH CLICK AD AND ADC CHAMPS BEATING YOU ONLY BCS THEY HAVE STRONGER ITEMS. INSTEAD OF THAT YOU ALWAYS NERF WHAT DOPA PLAYS ON MID MAKING IT ABSOLUTLY UNPLAYBLE ON MID. YOU WANT TO NERF KARMA? WHEN SHE HAS WINRATE BELLOW 48% FOR 2 SEASONS. YOU HAVE NERFED PLAYMAKING MIDLANERS TO DEATH. AZIR? RYZE? KARMA? GALIO? TALIYAH ? ALL UNPLAYBLE BECAUSE ENEMY CAN SIMPLY PICK YASUO AND JUST CLICK ON YOU AND YOU LOST. WP RITO. AND YOU ARE GOING TO NERF MINION DEMATERIALIZER AFTER YOU NERFED MAGE CLEAR ? DO YOU EVEN THINK ? STOP LISTEN TO AD PLAYERS FINNALY ! WE WANT TO HAVE BALANCED GAME ! NOT WORKING FOR ADC TO GET FED ON MID. FORCING MIDLANERS TO PLAY LULU MID, BCS EVERYTHING ELSE SCK ! GREAT AND NOW YOU EVEN BAN LULU EVERYTHING THAT IS BEING PLAYED ON MID THAT IS NOT AD YOU NERF NEXT PATCH !!!!! WHY YOU DON'T NERF YASUO OR YASUO ITEMS, WHEN IT IS MOST EFFICIENT NOW ON MID ?
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