hoganftw (NA)
: League disappoints me more than Mia Khalifa videos.
I'm pretty sure mia khalifa never disappointed me.. Always had a happy ending.
: Ok AND nami replaced lux ONLY helping my point that NO ONE PLAYS DAMAGE SUPPORTS. I used play rates from last patch since I was not sure they're up and the only support that was hit was lux meaning the majority of the order would be the same.
Yeah, pyke is still picked for his aggressiveness and high damage for a support, though. Yes, he's picked for his cc as well. a combination of both.
: NEWFLASH IF A CHAMPION IS BAD IN A LANE THEY DON'T GO TO A DIFFERENT LANE. So this idea that mid lane mages get pushed into support is just completely bs. Brand is not being played as support because he can't mid anymore he is going support since he can SUPPORT like I'm pretty sure calling him a mid laner is just wrong at this time due to him basically being played and nerfed for support for so long. Enchanters have been like the most played class in support for like TWO SEASONS. So yeah a counter would be nice and also NEWFLASH NOT allenchanters shield. Like BASICALLY EVERY PLAYS NORMAL SUPPORTS RIGHT NOW so top 5 most popular supports in diamond are {{champion:412}} ,{{champion:555}} ,{{champion:99}} ,{{champion:350}} and {{champion:43}} hmmm NONE OF THEM ARE PICKED FOR DAMAGE they're picked for utility and cc. Brand has about a 3% play rate yep he is good lol.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=88XWMN9F,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-21T02:25:25.827+0000) > > NEWFLASH IF A CHAMPION IS BAD IN A LANE THEY DON'T GO TO A DIFFERENT LANE. So this idea that mid lane mages get pushed into support is just completely bs. Brand is not being played as support because he can't mid anymore he is going support since he can SUPPORT like I'm pretty sure calling him a mid laner is just wrong at this time due to him basically being played and nerfed for support for so long. > > Enchanters have been like the most played class in support for like TWO SEASONS. So yeah a counter would be nice and also NEWFLASH NOT allenchanters shield. > > Like BASICALLY EVERY PLAYS NORMAL SUPPORTS RIGHT NOW so top 5 most popular supports in diamond are {{champion:412}} ,{{champion:555}} ,{{champion:99}} ,{{champion:350}} and {{champion:43}} hmmm NONE OF THEM ARE PICKED FOR DAMAGE they're picked for utility and cc. Brand has about a 3% play rate yep he is good lol. Flash news, lux 44% winrate support on diamond in patch 1.14 @u.gg
: Lower the cs requirement for jg to get an S.
Honestly, get better. Getting an S i not only based on farm. Vision, kpr, damage to objectives, Damage overall. Based on many variables.
BadboyUG (EUW)
: It's time riot paid some attention to trolling in low elo games.
Don't be deluded. Trolls exist in all elos.
Lo4ding (EUNE)
: If you are not listening to reasons then hard math should help. Level 6 Pyke with Aftershock + Warhammer + Long Sword. Total Attack Damage: 110 (+-) One rotation: (Q(241) + E(205) + AA(110) + AA(110) + Aftershock(80 +-)) * Armor|MR Reduction(0.75) == 560 Damage in that rotation without calculating runes as CDG, Sudden inpact, cheap shot. With Electrocute damage would be a little bit higher. Ultimate treshold: 338 hp. Now lets see. Jinx HP at 6. lvl = 912 912 - 560 = 352 That 20 hp from ultimate execute. If I dare to say that 20 missing damage would one got from mentioned runes. Whole rotation can be done in E stun if you are fast enough. E+AA+Q+AA+Ulti. What about other champions at 6. lvl Ahri = 889 - 560 = 329 < U.Treshold = Kill Kaisa = 910- 560 = 350 < U.Treshold = Kill (same as jinx. Runes should get missing damage) Brand = 867-560 = 307 < U.Treshold = Kill And that all 100-0 in one rotation. Tell me how he does not have any kill potential please. He can destroy pretty much every non-tank champion on lvl.6 if he manage to land stun.
> [{quoted}](name=Lo4ding,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8rfIss6n,comment-id=001600000000000100000000000000000000000200000001,timestamp=2019-07-22T06:29:45.627+0000) > > If you are not listening to reasons then hard math should help. Level 6 Pyke with Aftershock + Warhammer + Long Sword. > > Total Attack Damage: 110 (+-) > > One rotation: (Q(241) + E(205) + AA(110) + AA(110) + Aftershock(80 +-)) * Armor|MR Reduction(0.75) == 560 Damage in that rotation without calculating runes as CDG, Sudden inpact, cheap shot. With Electrocute damage would be a little bit higher. > > Ultimate treshold: 338 hp. > > Now lets see. > Jinx HP at 6. lvl = 912 > 912 - 560 = 352 > > That 20 hp from ultimate execute. If I dare to say that 20 missing damage would one got from mentioned runes. > Whole rotation can be done in E stun if you are fast enough. E+AA+Q+AA+Ulti. > > What about other champions at 6. lvl > Ahri = 889 - 560 = 329 < U.Treshold = Kill > Kaisa = 910- 560 = 350 < U.Treshold = Kill (same as jinx. Runes should get missing damage) > Brand = 867-560 = 307 < U.Treshold = Kill > > And that all 100-0 in one rotation. Tell me how he does not have any kill potential please. He can destroy pretty much every non-tank champion on lvl.6 if he manage to land stun. Spare your efforts, he is quite obviously trolling and looking to annoy people. Just stop this conversation because talking logic to him is counter-active. You are just feeding the troll.
Pika Fox (NA)
: Wow, you can kill someone who is already half healthed while theyre at dragon, who probably had all their abilities on CD from dragon. Not like even soraka could do that. Almost like youre making my exact point for me.
1) he had 75% health 2)soraka can't do that I'm done discussing with you. You are obviously trolling
: > [{quoted}](name=JuiceBoxP,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8rfIss6n,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-07-20T19:40:18.685+0000) > > 2 kills with his ult is a flat 1200 gold. Minimum. 2 kills with his ult is a flat 400 gold minimum, actually. Your Cut gives the current bounty of the champion, up to 300(Is it 400 if it's first blood? I've never had a game with Pyke where I hit 6 before someone dies). If the champ is only worth 100, you get 400 gold at 100 per Your Cut. I agree his ult is overtuned right now, but don't ignore the facts.
Ok smartass. a takedown on someone who isn't 0/5 is 600 gold minimum. He could have shutdown bonus too.
Pika Fox (NA)
: If you think pyke has any kill potential solo, then youre a pretty bad pyke main. Leona has more solo kill potential than pyke.
>* Literally negative kill potential solo. > * His abilities dont do any noticable damage > * 0 threat potetential https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ1SFg81Ypc Don't become the board's meme.
Pika Fox (NA)
: If you think pyke has any kill potential solo, then youre a pretty bad pyke main. Leona has more solo kill potential than pyke.
Yeah i must be a really bad pyke main if i kill people solo.
Pika Fox (NA)
: If no one else is near and youre healthy, his kill potential is LITERALLY he will die if he tries to kill you. Literally negative kill potential solo.
Okay, so you're telling me, a pyke main, who successfully won hundreds of skirmishes with pyke, that pyke has 0 kill potential. Do i need to spell out how foolish you make yourself look?
: > [{quoted}](name=Emperor Talquin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8rfIss6n,comment-id=000600010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-21T16:09:48.202+0000) > > Wait why am i even trying to teach you xD. You're first comment is so insanely stupid. You will learn someday but today isn't that day. all he has to do is kill people worth gold, and kat had to die to someone 11 times, if he ults for shut downs, he'd obviously benefit from having more kills especially if the enemy team keeps resetting their gold value so he gets the most out of his ult every time he uses it. But no instead of using logic you would rather be rude instead of look at the full picture but go on, live in you hubris
Your first comment was a bit silly. You obviously didn't pay much attention while writing it. No reason for him to be rude though.
Pika Fox (NA)
: His abilities dont do any noticable damage, being less than most supports, and less than all assassins. He has 0 threat potential solo outside his ult, and even then 0 threat potetential as long as youre >75%hp.
You are really talking nonsense. Pyke's kill potential is very real. He doesn't have damage like zed, but he got kill pressure for sure.
: > [{quoted}](name=JuiceBoxP,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wP57jz79,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-20T16:56:13.206+0000) > > Lux has 47% winrate this patch, did you know? > You Probably didn't. > They gutted her. > She sucks now. Bullshit. She has 52% winrate across all division according to lolalytics, op.gg and others.
U.gg is the most reliable site according to riot. https://m.u.gg/lol/champions/lux/build 47% support 50% mid lane - pretty small sample size though, which is less accurate. So on average, sub 50% winrate champ. Btw 44% wr in master.
: Katarina Electrocute Bug 9.14
This is a load of bullshit.
: This is why i go blitz and thresh. Wanna hook me hoe? K ill hook u too. Oh wanna e w? Nah cancelled with a knockup/flay
A good pyke will wait for you to use your e before he uses his.
: > They gutted her. > She sucks now. They didn't **gut** her. They **gutted Aatrox.** EVERY time Lux gets "nerfed" she gets a conpensation buff. Every fucking time. Don't spout that nonsense.
47% winrate is gutted.
Ackelope (NA)
: i like to ask for people's opinions.
Well, you can look at the champs of the game i linked and understand my build path.
Pika Fox (NA)
: He has 0 damage outside ult, and cant put you in ult range solo unless he is obscenely fed 2 items up on you. Its fine for a support.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8rfIss6n,comment-id=001600000000,timestamp=2019-07-21T04:41:58.806+0000) > > He has 0 damage outside ult, and cant put you in ult range solo unless he is obscenely fed 2 items up on you. Its fine for a support. You read the op? He is always two items up on everyone with this absurd gold income from his ult
Pika Fox (NA)
: I dont really see the problem with this, given they gutted his waveclear, which is essential to an extent on a support.
Diver support running on adc+ budget.... Nothing wrong... You're probably right...
: Really depends on if the enemy team has a lot of tools that he needs the qss for. Morde ult is a good example of an ability that requires a qss.
https://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/2228996595/226613568?tab=overview
Ackelope (NA)
: what makes his build particularly bad? i'm not a pyke player, but we don't have the enemy team for reference. the only bit that seems particularly awkward to me is the mercurial scimitar alongside the edge of night, seems a bit unnecessarily redundant, i'd probably have built something over the mercurial, but other than that i don't think it's amazingly problematic. I might've built like a GA or something depending on enemy comp.
You realize this guy said i got a bad build and he builds {{item:3812}} and {{item:4302}} on pyke. He ain't got no clue what he's talking about https://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/2228996595/226613568?tab=overview
Morbys (NA)
: dang, and your build was pretty bad too lol
My build was good, don't you worry boi
: The community just complained about him about the same as any other champ they find frustrating. No more. No Less. The in game bane rates and pick rates were neither all that high, nor was his win rate. Riot just arbitrarily decided Pyke shouldn't have aoes, and then compensated him for taking them away, And yeah. the aoe nerfed DID impact Pyke in support..... at least for good supports (who farm after lane, and in Pyke's case, farm in lane when adc isn't).
Pyke doesn't need aoe to farm in lane when the adc isn't there. You would farm under the turret and single target is better since you have more control on what gets hit. One bad aoe q could burn you an entire wave under the turret. I prefer it this way, to be honest.
: I've had similar gold on Pyke prior to the patch....
I sincerely doubt that... Unless you got 25 kills each and every game....
: {{champion:89}} and {{champion:420}} were the last ones.....
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainAntiHeroz,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kYV1fPsE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-20T19:51:36.905+0000) > > {{champion:89}} and {{champion:420}} were the last ones..... Well illaoi is technically not a tank..
: Thats just absurd. And riot only buffed him so much because of his new skin. Riot actually only cares about money and not about their playerbase. Did literally anyone ask for Pyke buffs???
All the community was asking for is nerfs. I didn't care much for the nerfs on 1.13 because they didn't hurt his support role. But this... This is broken by definition.
: To be fair, people have to be a bit stupid to be hit by Pyke’s ult. It has a lot of counters. Mobility, healing, etc.
It's really, really not that hard to get hit by it. The hitbox is rather large.
: Just laned against a pyke. He got 2 kills with his ult (where he has a 20 sec window to do one again. Which i think is too op) so yea he got like 600 or 900 gold and came back with an duskblade with his first back. Wow riot :)
2 kills with his ult is a flat 1200 gold. Minimum.
: He has 15 kills though, twitch has 11 and the gold difference isnt that much, if it was more than 2k for a 4 kill difference than maybe
You're missing a little small detail... TWITCH HAD 260 MORE FARM
: Technically Pyke is a Support/Assassin. He has the durability of a true support and the income generation of an assassin. I still agree that is a rather large amount of gold though... Inb4 Pyke mains downvote me.
> [{quoted}](name=Boltonator,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8rfIss6n,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-20T19:22:17.171+0000) > > > > I still agree that is a rather large amount of gold though... Indeed.
: Why do you have Hail of Blades?
It's really strong. 3 fast autos hurt a lot when you got a lot of AD
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: Defense of the gamblers 2
Rioter Comments
: welcome to aram, were you get a random champion, as if it actually matters if you get one you own or not
> [{quoted}](name=Godfather Star,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WzpnJFu3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-20T17:49:46.794+0000) > > welcome to aram, were you get a random champion, as if it actually matters if you get one you own or not This guy has a lot of logic, why are you so fucking salty? The change is proposing is perfectly reasonable.
l MrD l (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=JuiceBoxP,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wP57jz79,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-20T16:56:13.206+0000) > > Lux has 47% winrate this patch, did you know? > You Probably didn't. > They gutted her. > She sucks now. People were abusing her while shes OP when she could midlessly spam things and be barely punished ... now shes punished for missing skillshots heavily as she should be ... her damage has been buffed so shes still rewarded for landing shots ... WR probably low because people just dont know how to play aroundher long CDs
She still is able to "spam" stuff you know. The WR wasn't lowered because people just don't know how to play around her suddenly "longer" cooldowns. her Q cooldown is now 13-9 instead of flat 10. her ult cooldown is lowered with the removal of the reset mechanic. There are no "longer" cooldowns that people suddenly can't handle. No. It's the shield. they turned it from one of the strongest shields in the game to the poorest shield in the game. That's why her winrate went down.
azazxer (NA)
: d2 kha on smurf unrank to dia
Oh a smurf... Let me just downvote this post and leave
: ***
Lux has 47% winrate this patch, did you know? You Probably didn't. They gutted her. She sucks now.
IcyWard (NA)
: Teamfight Tactics needs a new name...
Defense of the gamblers 2
: It's sarcasm.
Zerana (NA)
: Yuumi W bug
There's this thing called mitigated and pre-mitigated damage. Read up on it That should probably explain to you why it's happening.
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=JuiceBoxP,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0oeAdTpV,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-20T06:40:17.050+0000) > > Kat's passive was not the changed part. > Her E had 2 damages. > > Well.. her E damage does damage by simply blinking there, and then the following auto attack. > > If that's removed, it's a big nerd for her... No more e q to procc electrocute The whole point of Electrocute is it needs **3** attacks or abilities to activate.
Generally speaking, her E is two different damages. The blink does damage followed by an auto attack... Don't see what's wrong with it.
Pika Fox (NA)
: This is how literally all games are coded.... How is it stupid?
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M2Ab0Hm2,comment-id=000b000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-20T13:50:04.286+0000) > > This is how literally all games are coded.... How is it stupid? Lets design a soccer game, where you can hit the ball 2 meters outside the goal and it will count as a goal because we coded it this fucked up way
: Was Katarina's passive dagger no longer counting towards electrocute procs intentional?
Kat's passive was not the changed part. Her E had 2 damages. Well.. her E damage does damage by simply blinking there, and then the following auto attack. If that's removed, it's a big nerd for her... No more e q to procc electrocute
Antenora (EUW)
: I also strongly believe that Katarina did not need that Grievous Wounds on steroids buff. It should have gone to a champion who is actually underwhelming such as Varus.
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OKjycw7R,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-19T15:48:32.621+0000) > > I also strongly believe that Katarina did not need that Grievous Wounds on steroids buff. > > It should have gone to a champion who is actually underwhelming such as Varus. I honestly believe that grievous wounds buff was the most utterly useless change in the history of changes. She channells for maximum 1 second where she either stops it there or gets disrupted. For 1 second of 60% healing ain't gonna change much.
: In all of those cases ... very very rarely. And mostly the fight is already over by then. You know what I see much more often? Fiora and Aatrox killing their targets in 1-2 seconds. Or them getting hit by one CC and dying.
> [{quoted}](name=RavenMagus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nPKsXcyR,comment-id=00190000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-20T01:37:22.064+0000) > > In all of those cases ... very very rarely. And mostly the fight is already over by then. > > You know what I see much more often? Fiora and Aatrox killing their targets in 1-2 seconds. Or them getting hit by one CC and dying. No no, my discussion with you is over. No logic is applied to your posts.
Pika Fox (NA)
: First, it hit you. Hook model and champ model mean nothing, hitboxes are all that matters. The edge of the hook hitbox hit the edge of your model. It hit you. Second, you dont need to guess. It hit you. It pulled you. No guessing involved. Third, again, MODEL MEANS NOTHING. ZERO. NADA. NOTHING.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M2Ab0Hm2,comment-id=000b0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-19T22:38:13.211+0000) > > Third, again, MODEL MEANS NOTHING. ZERO. NADA. NOTHING. HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THIS IS THE MOST RET4ARDED DESIGN OF A GAME IN THE HISTORY OF GAMES? Like how can you not see this is completely fucked up? Lets design a soccer game, where you can hit the ball 2 meters outside the goal and it will count as a goal because we coded it this fucked up way
: > [{quoted}](name=JuiceBoxP,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nPKsXcyR,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-07-18T15:52:44.634+0000) > > I agree on the part that they don't have enough damage, thus cannot 1vs1 anything. > However, i do not think damage is the answer. > Tanks should just be tankier. > They should have mechanics that give them sustain during fights, and to be actually able to survive being focused. > > {{champion:32}} {{champion:201}} {{champion:3}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:111}} {{champion:57}} {{champion:516}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:154}} > > None of these can live through being focused by at least 3 people for more than 2 seconds If you're being focused by 3 people, and 2 of them are damage dealers, why would you last much longer than 2 seconds in a 1v3? Don't blame the tank class for your bad positioning. Also, Thresh isn't a tank.
> [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nPKsXcyR,comment-id=000300000002,timestamp=2019-07-19T16:30:58.319+0000) > > Don't blame the tank class for your bad positioning. All those champions are melee. They need to be melee to do anything. They will be focused. They will die because they cannot sustain through the damage they take, unlike bruisers, who have sustain. I ain't blaming the class. I am blaming the champions and itemization for not being tanky enough to sustain a lot of damage and not melt away in 2 seconds.
FridgeD (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=FridgeD,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nPKsXcyR,comment-id=001e00000000,timestamp=2019-07-19T17:57:23.038+0000) > keep dreaming in silver 4 eune. You think you are going to rank shame me and get an actual positive response from me? I don't even play ranked. >the only tank game in your match history is an aram seju game with gunblade -.- Yeah, i got 200k on amumu and i played a lot of tank supports, and sejuani in the jungle btw. You can take your opinion and stick it up you know where. i ain't "discussing" with sad, immature people like yourself.
: If sustain is not the issue then who cares about lack of sustain? Fact is fights don't last long enough for sustain to matter.
> [{quoted}](name=RavenMagus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nPKsXcyR,comment-id=001900000000,timestamp=2019-07-19T21:37:48.466+0000) > > If sustain is not the issue then who cares about lack of sustain? Fact is fights don't last long enough for sustain to matter. Holy shit, like wtf are even talking about? Sustain doesn't matter? Never seen a fiora heal from 10% to 100% simply by proccing her ult? Never seen an aatrox heal 50% of his hp with one hit? sUsTaIn iS iReLeVeNt To be terribly honest, you talking a load of nonesense. Tanks need sustain.
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