Aevsu (EUNE)
: BA Katarina Issue
Yes please its deffinitely annoying. Riot Kateykhaos agress.
mediks (EUNE)
: K/DA Katarina
Did you saw the new K/DDA Katarina fan art? Its the most bad ass high quallity skin i could ever imagined!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!{{sticker:sg-lux}}
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: November 14
Please make a new walk animation for Katarina. She is getting a lot of hate lately. Also it would be great if she keeps her pose but make it smoother. {{sticker:katarina-love}}
: She would fit into the Star Guardian line, I don't doubt that. But I can't see her as the actual leader of a team, she is not well known enough for that. Looking at the cast before her. {{champion:99}} First Star Guardian implemented, iconic and well known champion. {{champion:222}} Got the legendary skin, again iconic and known champion (and extremely popular). {{champion:103}} Legendary and leader, iconic and extremely popular champion with big fan base. I think they will keep giving this position to champions which are really popular and have a big fan base. Leona wouldn't really fit that in my opinion, I never saw her as an iconic and known champion, could be wrong about that tho. It's just that there are other females I think would fit this criteria more than her. {{champion:22}} {{champion:55}}
I HARDLY AGREE!!! {{champion:99}} {{champion:103}} and {{champion:55}} are the most popular and iconic females in the game. So i believe this time they will give it to {{champion:55}} . Besides she doesnt have a legandary skin and she definitely deserves one. Some people think that Katarina doesnt fit into this skin line, but they are wrong. She is cute(most important requirement) and just imagine her as a SG.. she will have a big personally and she will rock! . Also some people gonna say that Katarina is evil and aggresive thirst for blood etc. so she cant fit. My answer for them its that exactly this is why are the legandary skins. They dont make them for champions to have the same personallity as they already have. They can turn a champ for bad to good or the different. Now another cool idea would be if she is a fallen Star guardian that she turned against the first star. This would be cool too.
Red4ka (EUW)
: Sadly no, not a teaser. Nothing more than a quick reference like they love to do pretty much everywhere. I would've loved if it was a teaser, but its not. (Oh and by the way, i can confirm that every kata mains -or at least everyone i talked to- believes the same, that Katarina is outdated etc)
Yeah sadly there isnt any teaser. Since they dont plan to update her i beieve the upcomming or the next skin would be a legendary if we try to persuade them. {{sticker:sg-soraka}}
Red4ka (EUW)
: Bro i know you're feeling, we should just stop fantasize about what could possibly be a good legendary on her and start to pray that she gets one {{summoner:13}} {{sticker:cass-cry}}
Yeahh haha {{sticker:sona-playing}} {{sticker:katarina-love}}
Red4ka (EUW)
: Hey as a Kat main i also want to thank you alot for your answer. I just want to add that i know (and all katarina mains does) she has alooot of skins probably one of the most in the game but half of them are low quality, and a legendary on kat is asked since i cant even remember lol, and in case you guys needs ideas there are ALOT of legendary skins ideas (concepts, fan arts, custom skins). For my personal thoughts, i think that if she receives one it would be better if it's something that really reveals her personality, a dangerous, scary, unstoppable assassin. Star Guardian Kat would be great too, but i think a "dangerous" theme skin would fit her so much ! It's only my personal thoughts tho, and in all honesty i dont mind as long as it's here xD Enough with Katarina stuff, what do you think about adding an option during champ select that allows us to pick randomly a skin (between all owned skins) on a champion when the game starts ? I think it would be so fun ! And it would add more diversity skin-wise, we also wouldn't have to think about what skin to pick before the game starts. The option would be activable / disable so no one could go against that. Thanks alot for paying attention and i really hope an answer !
I actually cant decide! I agree that if Katarina gets a legendary skin she could be more like we all know : dangerous, evil etc. But on the other hand legendary skins are for something different too. So i would love a legendary Star guardian skin.
Red4ka (EUW)
: Oh and just a last thing, i think the best skin idea i could find out of all of them is definitely this one https://www.deviantart.com/cmorilla/art/Valkyrie-katarina-Splash-Art-478564136 The splashart is soooo cool it makes her look like an "angel" and in the description the guy said she could deploy her wings during ultimate animation it would be insane !
This could match with a Star Guardian skin and she could activate her wings in reacall and her ultinate. But i cant think how the annimation would look considering she spins fast.
Terozu (NA)
: I'm not trying to attack them so much as trying to get them to tone it down. Not so much that you're unwilling to talk to them but that you probably don't know all the ins and outs of work being done and considered on Katarina at the moment especially to the lengths they're asking.
It seemed like you attacked me just like everyone when they see a Katarina post but nvm. I personally know how hard theyr working but as every people care about their main and want them to be improved thats what i want too. Theres no need to be so harsh.
: Full disclosure, I'm on Skins, so stuff that's pertaining to updates of the base champion (VFX, anims, etc.) are out of my wheelhouse and I don't wanna speak for the Champions/Live Gameplay teams. I wouldn't say that any particular team dislikes Katarina. She received some love in 2016 with the Assassin's update. In terms of skins themselves, she receives them pretty consistently, her last skin being in 2017 (and a Warring Kingdoms chroma earlier this year). Jumping off of that, since there isn't an update pending, she's still eligible for skins. Katarina, imo, is a bit tricky in terms of a legendary because her animations are super quick, so we weigh in with things like 'well how noticeable is this if we change it, what needs to be done to make it feel better/different?' and she (like most assassins), naturally lack piles of VFX when compared to someone like Lux, for example. *But*, she does have cool moments like Death Lotus or Preparation that I think could really be played up, especially when talking about a thematic like Star Guardian. Plus, legendary skins means new VO, which could be a lot of fun! Now for the bad news - like all other champions, I can't give you much more info than that she's eligible for a skin. I can't spill the beans on whether or not she has something in the works. (Even if I could, I wouldn't wanna ruin the surprise!)
Indeed Katarina recieve muuuuuuch love after the mini rework. She was so op and fun that no one doubts. But after the non stop nerfs she stoped beeing that fun and thats why we felt that riot dont care about Katarina. I understand that you try your best to balance things. Katarina right now she is ok -- bad. The big problem is that people overlearnt how to counter her and i think its a bit unfair. I have faith that you will succed when you decide to do some changes that benefit Katarina without making her unstopable again. As for the legendary skin i kind of agree that her abillities dont help that much but they are ways to do something different with the ultimate, w preparation and maybe with her e. Im glad you support the idea of a Star guardian skin because many people are so hyped for this! ^^ Her ult could shoot magical stars, when she picks up the daggers to do an "explossion of magic dust or stars idk. Have you seen the Star guardian Katarina art bt Z-Duke ? That fuchsia hair is amazing and i think that color or red are the best she could have. I understand hehe. I personally after death sworn and project skin i have faith in you and im looking forward to see the new one ^^
: Hey now, no need to attack them. I never said that I wasn't willing to talk, please don't speak on my behalf.
Thank you so much for the support!! You cant imagine how happy i am right now and have the chanse to speak for all Katarina mains! Im glad i know that you red my thoughts about Katarina. Although they aren't only my thoughts. Some of Katarina mains want some changes to help her against all those hard counters, some want a fresh update or a legendary skin because it will be a reason to play Katarina and some of them (like me) want both. If you concider to make a skin for Katarina or a legendary skin please make sure to check on reddit. As i have already mention we would love a legendary Star guardian (fuchsia color) or a demonic feature similar to Nightbringer Yasuo. As for normal or epic skin we would love Arcade dancer, K/da, Blood moon. I think Katarina would fit in all of those skins, for Star guardian too ( concidering she is cute and has a stunning personality). Thats all. I would be very proud and trully thankfull if my voice was heard and if you discuss that with other riot members ~♡
Terozu (NA)
: Dude she did not say he was willing to talk to you about it, and like 90% of this stuff is irrelevant to her comment. She got a skin last year and had a GarenxKat teaser this fall. Calm the fuck down, she's so much not dead shes basically a series mascot. Also not all Kat mains believe that. I would love a Star Guardian Kat though.
Finally a rioter gave me an answer. So it was for me a chanse to write everything i want to learn and give some ideas (that they have been discuessed in riddit). What GarenXKat teaser? She used to be now we trully believe that riot dont care about her. You can see in reddit. Yeah it would be an amazing skin.
: This falls under a champion update, unfortunately, which isn't something currently slated for Katarina. :c In this case, some VFX that *were* there, no longer are, I think are due to a large scale refactor. We have some testers digging into this today to see what happened and what all is missing.
First of all thank you so much for answering me and willing to discuss about Katarina. We need some attention because we feel like riot hates Katarina like everyone except Katarina mains. Ι hope she gets and update like ezreal in the near future and not in 2-4 years. They are a looot of years :( The thing is that now that riot started reworking and updating outdated champs every one expects for their old main to gets an update. If you dont plan to do something with outdated Katarina and possibly fix some effects and add more in her spells i think the best sollution is to make her a legendary skin. Katarina is one of the oldest champions and she hasnt recieve any legandary skin yet. I think she has the potential for a cool one. And if you plan to make her one of course everything is welcomed. Katarina mains after many discussions and posts we would love a Star Guardian , Nightbringer, Arcade dancer , Blood moon or a K/ds skin. Star Guardian is the most popural opinion (fuchsia hair and dress ) and after we like a demonic dark mage skin (not like demon vi but like nightbringer yasuo with dark fire abillities) I would be very happy if you answer me and maybe give us a light and a hope for something hyped, because we literally belive Katarina is dead. Also some rioters had told to the stramer Scarra they will work on fixing some problems in her abillities and maybe make her w daggers drop faster. We looking forward for any changes!
: Got some folks looking into it! (:
Katarina needs some attention too! Her base model and her old skins are so outdated. She is just a red hair compaired to reworked Akali and Irelia. Her abillities effects aren't nice too. Also she has qeue problems and she could have some changes thay will help her be in a better spot like the w dagger fall a bit faster and at list o.5 sec reduce the e cast time. She is outdated and undone. Thats what Katarina mains belive.
: ~New Star Guardian Concepts~ by @EraiViolett
I love your skin concepts. I would love if you design a Star Guardian Katarina skin concept😌❤
52 Cards (EUNE)
: Demon Shaco Halloween skin
It a great idea i hope riot make it! {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
baetoevn (NA)
: Possible Ashe rework incoming?
I agree that Ashe FINALLY NEEDS A REWORK. HER BASE AND MANY OF HER SKINS ARE SO BAD AND OUTDATED and i cant understand why riot doesnt update them. Not only for Ashe, but for many other outdated champs. I was maining her the previous year and i played enough games to say her kit isnt strong at all. I agree keeping her w. Also the idea of her ult. Im not so sure about q and e BUT those two must do dmg instead of nothing like e and delay damage with q. She definitely isnt fun to play at all. I loved her for a long time but i understand that other adcs have WAY more fun and are way more stronger. (I enjoy playing her only in arams because she can kite with w the entire enemy team). Also the Cosmic Queen skin is amazing, but even this wasnt enough to make me start playing her again. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
Hibeki (NA)
: A long time ago, the five roles lived together in harmony
: I started maining kat only a while before her rework, I can't say I am not satisfied with the current kat, tho all these points do make sense to me and I agree to ALL of them, she doesn't feel like she is an assassin as much as a situational mage, and she is very repetitive, "Survive lane, get gunblade, build pen, roam" then in teamfights "Q, Q, Q, Q, waiting for thresh to waste e and q, and for oriana ult, Q, Q, Q, ORIANA AND JHIN STANDED ON MY Q, GOES IN AND kills everyone", It feels kinda boring in the end, There is near to 0 flexibility in the champion, as well as the fact that no one can really "Use/abuse" her e cast time, the daggers and their whereabouts already tell alot about what katarina is going to do, katarina is too easy to read, making her unviable in higher elos, she is easy to predict and guess. (I also won't believe it if more than 1% of league players can even react to the 0.25 second shunpo cast duration, No one can react that fast) And the E moonwalk has been an issue for me lately, as I am supposed to right click after shunpoing, It is very frustrating to not be able to proc revolver in lane just because you have to right click an extra time. It's also annoying how shunpo cast time can cancel gunblade cast, it causes confusion in many cases. And her ult does feel out of place... her entire kit and gamestyle is different, however the R feels like it belongs to the old kata, it just doesn't feel right or doesn't fit it at all.
I agree! {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: September 19
Stil nothing about Katarina. When will you fix the e moonwalk that interrups Katarina's auto attack? Maybe more ad scaling would be better because now it feels like it isnt that useful.
: > [{quoted}](name=KatScript,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LbxocAUl,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-09-11T11:18:46.342+0000) > > I think its better to be faster and lower her dmg. The problem is that her w is slow and with the picking daggers e reset delay you cant escape in a hard teafight when enemies focus you and can easily cc you. This means insta death. i also would trade dmg for her not being clunky but its something that for some reason they will never do
I agree it seems impossible :(
: > [{quoted}](name=KatScript,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LbxocAUl,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-09-11T09:52:46.151+0000) > > Obviously Katarina's outdated model and her poor kit isn't a problem for riot. > And all Katarina main's complaints from bronze to challenger elo don't affect them either!? > > Because she got mini reworked before 2 years she cant have another better one and maybe a full rework or just some adjustments? > Before the 5 non stop nerfs the rework WAS SUCCESSFUL. BUT after the nerfs and ESPECIALLY the e cast time and the fact that you can't avoid yasuo's tornado and other abilities she's the slow queen and unfun to play. > Also why she doesnt have any shield or an invisible abillity like EVERY OTHER ASSASIN ?? > Does riot likes Katarina to get destroyed and if the enemies have many ccs tilt us? > > But no lets keep her useless passive Voracity just because its Katarina's identity plus with that e cast time and all that delays , also that poor and kit without any range abillity so we pleasure every one who hates Katarina.. > Well done!! > Riot could do worst but thank god (or should i say sadly?) there's no chanse Katarina to recieve another nerf.. > > I personaly liked the rework a lot and i still do because she is my favourite champ. But it isnt very fun with all these delays. > > {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} keep voracity, revert **_SHUNPO_** nerfs and gunblade reliance she is in a fine spot then
I agree with you!! Voracity its what we know about Katarina so i dont think theres a chance they remove it. But if they added another passive that make her in teamfights more safe it would be awsome.
: Its really stupid how they fucked up one of the successful reworks. ({{champion:7}}{{champion:107}}were garbage since the beginning lmao) I love her rework as someone who played her release version and vgu Honestly the problem is that they overnerfed her this season with shunpo + passive the dagger nerf was deserved imo but combined with the shunpo is just too much I suggest giving her Shunpo +15 dmg again and the 65 AD scaling i think that could help, still wouldnt solve some of the major issues like the E clunkiness
I think its better to be faster and lower her dmg. The problem is that her w is slow and with the picking daggers e reset delay you cant escape in a hard teafight when enemies focus you and can easily cc you. This means insta death.
: Im over 500k mastery points and while she is not unplayable, katarina is very close to it. Overall the champion was built with way more counterplay that your average champion and nothing else. I'd love to see some QOL changes to katarina or maybe even a mini-rework like what Ahri and Lux got.
I agree with you. Maybe make her q a range abillity and slow the duration of her e cast time. Maybe if they add a new passive like a shield when you activate the ultimate or something it will make her more safe in teamfights.
: Katarina in my eyes...
Obviously Katarina's outdated model and her poor kit isn't a problem for riot. And all Katarina main's complaints from bronze to challenger elo don't affect them either!? Because she got mini reworked before 2 years she cant have another better one and maybe a full rework or just some adjustments? Before the 5 non stop nerfs the rework WAS SUCCESSFUL. BUT after the nerfs and ESPECIALLY the e cast time and the fact that you can't avoid yasuo's tornado and other abilities she's the slow queen and unfun to play. Also why she doesnt have any shield or an invisible abillity like EVERY OTHER ASSASIN ?? Does riot likes Katarina to get destroyed and if the enemies have many ccs tilt us? But no lets keep her useless passive Voracity just because its Katarina's identity plus with that e cast time and all that delays , also that poor kit without any range abillity so we pleasure every one who hates Katarina.. Well done!! Riot could do worst but thank god (or should i say sadly?) there's no chanse Katarina to recieve another nerf.. I personaly liked the rework a lot and i still do because she is my favourite champ. But it isnt very fun with all these delays. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
: Star Guardian Xayah
Well we all wanna see Xayah and Rakan as Star Guardians. Totally agree with that. I dont know tho about beeing like Sailor moon and the mask guy. I would love if {{champion:55}} get a Star Guardian skin because she is beautiful and cute and could totally fit to this concept. Also get a mixed pink/purple/red color and be the leader. Lux Katarina and Ahri are the most popular girls in lol so it would make sence if Katarina be the new leader. Besides she hasnt any legendary skin. As for your picks i would love to see Akali and Kaisa as Star Guardians. Akali because why not and Kaisa because she is my second favourite champ and her weapons can be angelic wings like SG Soraca's. I dont know about Diana because she is related to the moon. But she would be nice too. More possible candidates i would say Sona,Morgana,Ashe,Caitlyn,Taliyah,Ekko,Irelia,Jhin,Vayne But my favourite new Star Guardian team would be: {{champion:55}} as the leader (pink color) {{champion:497}} (yellow color) {{champion:498}} (red color) {{champion:37}} (aqua/blue color) {{champion:145}} (purple color) {{sticker:katarina-love}}
UniSect (NA)
: PRE-VOID KAISA
I think its a clever idea and we might get to know how Kaisa was before she gets stuck in Void :D
Necrozard (EUW)
: Chemtech Kai'Sa (Cancelled Champion from Ironstylus!)
Kaisa is my second favourite champ and i would be very hyped for this skin. Really cool idea ;)
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: September 5
Any thoughts about Katarina? Why riot stays silent to all Katarina mains? We tried to comunicate with the team members here about Katarina's current kit and for a possible rework or fixing some problems and every one just ignored the post, when btw it got 131 upvotes..
: Here we go. Reverting assassins. A true oneshot meta is on it's way. Hooray.
Where did you saw exactly the word revert? Because no Katarina main said that :) The post speaks about the problems after the rework because of the 5 in a row ners and a chanse of fixing them so she will be more fun and easy to play (without making her so op).
: > what close minded people don't understand is that there was a reason behind reworking all those champions Exactly, for every rework there is bunch of mains who claim to have a lot experience, but then they don't even understand the reasoning behind the reworks. In fact I think they are not even trying to understand.
Dude we dont want a revert. We appreciate the rework but with the 5 in a row nerfs Katarina isnt fun to play anymore. You can say your opinion but it cant be accepted when you have never played Katarina. Try to play her and will understand what we say :)
: > [{quoted}](name=Kathyrina,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n48HBN8V,comment-id=0030,timestamp=2018-08-28T13:48:23.030+0000) > > I don't think the majority of people realise that this post is not asking for a revert of her rework. @PaulWesley, if you could add a disclaimer in big capital letters saying the original post is not asking for a revert, it would help remove ~75% of all complains in the comments. Maybe because they didn't even bother reading properly and pretend they know whats going on.
Thats what is happening dude. I get so many hate and downvotes on my posts of Katarina too. Its so funny but in every post i see about Katarina people think we want a revert when we dont even say it anywhere!!! This happens because the majority of people here are some unskilled kids who doeasnt have anything more important to do but pretend they know everything here. Thats why the 75% of the comments are hate! Unfortunately Katarina's thoughts arent for community boards.
: The channel/cast times make it so awkward because as a kat player that is used to pressing a number of buttons on your keyboard in an order really fast sometimes you will press everything in the right order but because you pressed it too fast the cast times makes one of your keys not go off for example e-w-gunblade-q I’ve seen many players complain how their “gunblade didn’t activate” etc. and have had the same thing occur to in many games multiple times.
Thats true! It happend yesterday to the streamer rank 1 challenger Katarina : KatEvolved. There are so many things to be fixed but riot doesnt seem to willing to fix them.
Látlak (EUW)
: Hey Meddler! Is there any discussion at Riot about Katarina? There are a lot of Kat Mains out there (including me) hoping for some slight adjustments. Greets anyways from Greece!
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Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 29
Hello Meddler. Have you any thoughts about Katarina? Her win rate is ok , but her kit and model isnt so fun to play anymore. Im surprised that Katarina main's complaints and thoughts arent considered and we feel that riot hates Katarina. Her e cast time also her ultimate and her w make her so slow . If her e was reverted or mini rewored it would feel much better. Basides when you e you cant aa somethimes because of moonwalk and you cant avoid other abillities like yasuo's tornado. If you can please check this it happend on twitch from the best rank 1 challenger Katarina : KatEvolved complains about shunpo cast time, "this is why I don't play this champion" ... There are many things i want to say about fixing her but im sure you have seen maany suggestions from Katarina mains. Besides we feel her base and her other skins need a visual update and add some effects to her old skins. A Katarina main told that it would be nice if you add some effects to sandstorm Katarina on her picking daggers and ultimate and riot said they will work with that and it has passed over a year. So we would be very happy and surpried if we could take some answers and explanation about riot 's stance with Katarina and about her future. Thank you for reading !
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 29
Hello Meddler. Have you any thoughts about Katarina? Her win rate is ok , but her kit and model isnt so fun to play anymore. Im surprised that Katarina main's complaints and thoughts arent considered and we feel that riot hates Katarina. Her e cast time also her ultimate and her w make her so slow . If her e was reverted or mini rewored it would feel much better. Basides when you e you cant aa somethimes because of moonwalk and you cant avoid other abillities like yasuo's tornado. If you can please check this it happend on twitch from the best rank 1 challenger Katarina : KatEvolved complains about shunpo cast time, "this is why I don't play this champion" ... There are many things i want to say about fixing her but im sure you have seen maany suggestions from Katarina mains. Besides we feel her base and her other skins need a visual update and add some effects to her old skins. A Katarina main told that it would be nice if you add some effects on her picking daggers and ultimate and riot said they will work with that and it has passed over a year. So we would be very happy and surpried if we could take some answers and explanation about riot 's stance with Katarina and about her future. Thank you for reading !
: I know right? Katarina doesn't exactly seem like SG material, but damn this is some top quality art. {{sticker:katarina-love}}
I dont know why people cant imagine Katarina as a Star Guardian. Back to the old SG skins i couldnt imagine Popi, Syndra and Miss Fortune. But they eventually got a skin. So i think Katarina has a high chance to get a SG skin too because she is femine and beautiful, which are the top requirements for this event. {{sticker:katarina-love}}
: Never met you but you seem nice 😀
I agree with you {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
: Aww thats very sweet of you to say! A lot of us lurk this board frequently but are just a little shy when it comes to commenting! ;w;
This is an amazing, stunning art and i pray for {{champion:55}} to get a SG skin. This pink color suits her perfectly and i can only imagin her with pink/purple/red colors. Those pink color hair are ON POINT ! ! Besides she suits as a leader because of her personality and the fact that Lux Ahri and Katarina are the most popular league girls , so it would make sense if Katarina would be the leader and finally get a legendary skin! I have talked so much about Katarina getting a SG (legendary if possible) skin and i hope some rioters have seen my posts and take them into consideration. {{sticker:sg-soraka}} {{sticker:katarina-love}}
: Star Guardian Taliyah by Alnath
I really really really really want Star Guardian {{champion:55}} (as the leader) with pink/dark pink color. And if shes not the leader maybe purple. But i can imagine her with pink. Besides she hasnt get any legendary skin and the SG skin can make Katarina's personality different and more interenting. {{sticker:sg-syndra}} {{sticker:katarina-love}}
: Star Guardians 2018
I want so badly Ka{{champion:55}} be a Star Guardian and especially the leader of the new SG team. Katarina hasn't any legendary skin and its boring that all of her skins have the same quotes. It would be a nice idea from being know as a killer to turn her into a good SG fighter (like SG Syndra/Miss fortune, who leaved their past behind) And for the other 4 members i prefere to be {{champion:498}} , {{champion:142}} , {{champion:37}} , {{champion:110}}

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