: What's the stupidest reason someone intentionally threw a game for you?
I was taking red buff as jungler. (I was 13 2 8 khazix) Our toplane tryndamere(5 2 0) tried to steal it from me, he failed. So he decided to afk on the base spamming the chat for 25 minutes how i dont deserve to win. Mind you this happened or Ranked.
: I know because hes a mage im going to get downvoted for this
It is to balance out that my teammates lose their inhibitor by 15 minutes.
: > [{quoted}](name=OP Garen Support,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wVXcwhyF,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2018-08-08T14:14:02.977+0000) > > Welcome to the club mate. us {{champion:90}} mains did not have fun with our champ since the mid year mage downgrade. I do miss the old lvl 1 W cheese on the enemy's buff since it did % max hp XD how come you don't have fun? he kept Q E R and voidlings. is it cause you liked waiting at 3 ticks of ur passive, then casting 5 more spells and summoning 2 voidlings? XD
Lets see here: he lost half his damage, his new w is useless (dies in 1 hit, randomly farms instead of helping you, wont follow the basic attack target anymore). I used to be able to burst people , not slowly trying to lower their hp. Malzahar was the best assassin counter now i get dived by assassins and they survive it. Any argument that you can refresh your E is retarded, you dont have the tool to catch the enemy to refresh it. E deals so little damage over time that ADC can lifesteal it back. He was my favourite champion which i reached platinum with, never lost an 1 vs 1 with him since I had over 200 games on him. Now he is pure trash who cant even do his job anymore. Noone asked for him to be a useless minion spawner. E aids jumping trough the enemy team because you played well and infecting them 1 by 1 was the most satisfying thing ever. Especially since Malzahar was the biggest counter to those cancer the boards cry all the time : {{champion:157}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:91}} .
: there are games when I play zac and I just want to quit league
Welcome to the club mate. us {{champion:90}} mains did not have fun with our champ since the mid year mage downgrade.
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: {{champion:429}}
There is a reason she was gutted you know.
: Pyke is most likely going to need buffs and be as weak as 39% win rate {{champion:516}}.
Have you ever seen a weak AD champion? Especially now when Riot is forcing assassins to be meta.
Sukishoo (NA)
: We don't even know his scalings and numbers yet. You cannot say something is OMGOP just cause you see the abilities.
I seen enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF8cZE79ZG0&feature=youtu.be
Rioter Comments
: Malzahar no longer competitive at high ELO
As if would Riot buff the biggest assassins counter when they are trying their best to push mages out of midlane, so assassins can see pro play. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
Rioter Comments
DeusVult (NA)
: Riot, what is supposed to be the tanks response to ADC item changes??
Answer is simple dont play anything that is not full AD.
Lakrosin (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=XXXMurderPenguin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A8iNi4l8,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-06T04:22:56.432+0000) > > Games are not short enough. They want FF@15 to be the option if your team didnt win by then. Oops two people said no. It's the majority over three. Must suffer now.
Don't know why you are downvoted. It will happen. :P
KuraSei (NA)
: Please ban this. You must act Riot
How do you know he is not a Riot employee forcing the 50 % winrate on every player he meets?
: > [{quoted}](name=OP Garen Support,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rgd8l0R3,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-03T23:59:17.063+0000) > > He is a silver V ADC main. http://eune.op.gg/summoner/userName=OP+Garen+Support and you're silver 3 champ {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
First of all. I'm not talking dumb things . That guy is both inexperienced and biased, because he is an adc main. This is what my comment means. By the way I have over 5000 games and was platinum for 2 seasons so I might have some experience here :P
: Damn you must be really trash at this game to not understand how 1 extra spell, that in most cases can miss or be dodged can mean the difference between a kill or death
: Trynda is heavily nerfed by the changes.
70 % Crit chance and 20 % true damage with 1 item. Yes Trynda is clearly ruined by these changes.
: A yasuo passive that costs 3700 gold and does not work until you invrst further gold on another zeal item* Hey guys! Mages are so OP they can all get brand passive with liandry's - same logic. The numbers can be changed but it's a step in the right direction, instead of increasing the crit damage to everyone you get increased damage against armored targets (health is still effective).
First of all. Liandry is not Brand passive. Brand passive is that when 3 spells hit the enemy they blow up huge chunk of HP % damage and they burn for 4-5 sec. So no it's not the same. Everyone detests Yasuo how cancerous he is and how he reach a huge powerspike hitting 100 % crit. These changes wont make ADC's weaker. They deserve a nerf hammer not powershift from early game to mid-late game. I dont like it when an already strong class finally gets a nerf it also gets compensation buffs in the same patch. They are way too damn powerful for being the easiest role to do damage. (basic attack= no counterplay). By the way mid game starts at 10 minutes, late game is now 20 minutes. There is not enough time to punish the ADC's when they are the weakest. Supports negates any weakness ADC's has. Not building AD will only mean they dont hit that hard but they attack faster so in the same duration they will do the same damage either way. Even now with original {{item:3031}} ADC's still need another crit item to be not completely RNG. Build order changed, but they are no way any weaker then they were. If anything the new item changes will make ADC's stronger. Not just ADC's though assassin will also dominate. Riot weakened mages and will weaken tanks in the next patch. I'm curious about the result, but I bet the most braindead champs will prevail like usual.
Rioter Comments
: How high should the true damage conversion on new Infinity Edge be?
The logical answer is zero. You should not be able to blow up tanks if you don't build armor pen. Also remember the item gives {{champion:157}} passive to every ADC.
: Do people ever consider that maybe it isn't bad players? Maybe it is just the enemy team has a good player who is stomping a less good player, thus that player on the enemy team is carrying.
When every other lane is 0 8 0. For 10 games straight. If it is always the enemy player is "good", then why is that always the enemy is good? You cant say that all my teammates are boosted. 100 % of the time.
: To be honest I think the IE changes are okay actually.
Because giving {{champion:157}} passive to these skilled champions : {{champion:11}} {{champion:23}} and every damn ADC is a very good idea. Everyone likes {{champion:157}} right because he is so damn fair to play against :P
Kaìju (NA)
: I mean yeah. Why is it fair that I can't win lane off my own micro skill because someone is constantly in my lane and I can't just not get hit by Malz R or point blank LB chain. ADC is retarded right now yeah but I want people to fucking let me 2v2 and actually show my skill in lane.
Same with Top and Mid. You cant duel if the jungler is camping.
Rioter Comments
: in the sense of ezreal Q or in the sense of twitch ult autos?
Twitch ult is point and click no? Ezreal Q like but instead of button pushing left click shoots where you point.
A Nunu (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=OP Garen Support,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PAuUKpNx,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2018-04-21T08:10:31.423+0000) > > They have to do fusion first. Or it wont be gay enough. https://i.imgur.com/ytM497A.png/img https://i.imgur.com/ad1e0JC.png/img https://i.imgur.com/Hph5W9f.png/img https://i.imgur.com/Cd94AHf.png/img https://i.imgur.com/cW7e8J2.jpg/img #I agree. https://media.lolusercontent.com/api/embedly/1/image/resize?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.auplod.com%2Fu%2Flapuoda6bee.png&key=a45e967db0914c7fb472fd4381e6c85b&width=425&height=800
> [{quoted}](name=A Nunu,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PAuUKpNx,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2018-04-21T09:15:13.663+0000) > > https://i.imgur.com/ytM497A.png/img > > https://i.imgur.com/ad1e0JC.png/img > > https://i.imgur.com/Hph5W9f.png/img > > https://i.imgur.com/Cd94AHf.png/img > > https://i.imgur.com/cW7e8J2.jpg/img > > #I agree. > > https://media.lolusercontent.com/api/embedly/1/image/resize?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.auplod.com%2Fu%2Flapuoda6bee.png&key=a45e967db0914c7fb472fd4381e6c85b&width=425&height=800 This response was perfect. You got my respect. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
StgT (NA)
: Dear Riot, a concept to consider
Riot is a company. This idea would hurt their income greatly since noone would buy chests if they could trade what they have.
: Repetoir already ruined by favorite champion, Malz, and left him in the dumpster so we already know they're perfectly capable of just destroying champions they don't play and forgetting about them. The only reason ADCs and supports continue to receive buffs is because 90% of the live design team plays adcs.
Theorex (NA)
: Guys, I know this is a weird way to do things but hear me out.
Yes because we got compensated so hard when Riot removed 500 AP from our items and mana potions.
: Willump will become gay, Nunu is a darkin, Nunu and Willump switch names, the perfect Nunu rework
> [{quoted}](name=Giggle Physics,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PAuUKpNx,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-04-21T06:45:59.880+0000) > > Willump will become gay, Nunu is a darkin, Nunu and Willump switch names, the perfect Nunu rework They have to do fusion first. Or it wont be gay enough.
: I don't get it, no one likes kids and no one likes escort quests. Why is there a pre pubecent kid in a god of war game?
> [{quoted}](name=RedPannda,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=45E68fvE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-20T14:10:42.554+0000) > > I don't get it, no one likes kids and no one likes escort quests. Why is there a pre pubecent kid in a god of war game? The kid is not an escort quest. He is actually being useful like Elisabeth was in Bioschock Infinite
Sasogwa (EUW)
: Think about one change that would completely destroy the meta as we know it
Make ADC's require actual skill by making their basic attacks skill shots (no longer point and click) :P
: "They are focused on pro play" line needs to end
They are focusing balance around pro play. They are doing a terrible job at it as always. No one said pros like the changes the incompetent balance team is making.
: i don't feel like we're far off from the game being great
Until Garen becomes viable again with all the jungler pressure and cancer true damage dealing champs going there. Top wont stop being horrible :P
: im despreatly trying to belive they will fix it.. but when i see shit like. "we are trying to bring non-adc down bot" instead of fixing the actual issue.. i kinda lose hope in that. like there is zero chance in hell any other class can go bot because adc are the most broken class in the game. no one would ever give that up unless adc are not only nerfed, but nerfed MORE than they need to be. which is COMPLETELY impossible. because even in early 2017 when adc were nerfed properly, instead of making it so the other classes got nerfs too so we would have balanced game... they psychotically and drastically overbuffed ADC's to the absurd. so yeah as much as i WANT to believe riot... they dont have the best track record. and yeah seeing mage nerfs, who are without a doubt the weakest and least impactful class in the game right now. is downright pathetic. especially when at the same time the own baby {{champion:13}} who never even had mana issues to begin with and is absurdly good at stacking {{item:3070}} and who has ALWAYS had a core of {{item:3003}} . gets "free mana". its ludicrous. and if riot is actually SURPRISED at how we react.. then it just shows how completely out of touch with their game they actually are.
Most of what you said is true, except adc's were never weak. They were balanced. Assassins were op back then if i remember correctly. ADC's natural counter. Instead of nerfing assassins who killed adc's by default. Riot removed 500 AP from mage builds, nerfed assassins(delayed burst), nerfed tanks, overbuffed ADC's , reworked some ADC's to broken state. (you know when 3 adc per team was normal ).Up until now riot also overbuffed supports, because they were boring. (Ardent cancer meta) Now we see Riot nerfing mages for whatever "wave clear reasons". I bet the only thing they care is pro play is boring. They think we are dumb enough to purchase RP even if they ignore us and make the game worse for a the regular playerbase. (you know the 99 % )
: Oh wait adc is a carry mages aren’t it’s in the names people
Do you know what APC is? AP CARRY. Mages were stronger carries then ADC's before season 7 BS changes.
DW Diana (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=OP Garen Support,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8gtk1Xs,comment-id=001c000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-19T19:07:14.824+0000) > > Support? I was 1 of the best duelists on midlane (1 vs 1) thats the only reason I reached platinum. Anyway Malzahar worked on every lane. I brought him everywhere top, mid, jungle, adc, support. Even if I was "support" you must mean the games where my premade was Xerath "adc". (DUO AP bot best games ever). So no dude you spouting nonsense. Mastery points means nothing since I played Malzahar far longer then mastery points were a thing. I bet even now I could beat you 1 vs 1 as Malzahar after not playing with him much anymore. Just saying malz changed a bit since s6. Actually he's changed completely lol.
I know. I'm still bitter about that. I used to have 60-70 % winrate on him. Current form might be annoying to deal with but weak as hell.
Meserion (NA)
: no, no other changes are needed. and AD champions being able to use AAs afterward is kind of their thing. Mages thing is extremely high short term burst aswell as CC and AoE.
Mages deal no damage so they have to use multiple rotations. Which costs CD and Mana. ADC's also got CC and AoE, or at least many of them do. {{champion:22}} Aoe, slow, stun. {{champion:51}} Aoe , stun, slow {{champion:42}} slow , push away passive, aoe {{champion:119}} speed boost(instead of slow ) , E displacement {{champion:104}} slow and blindness , aoe {{champion:202}} slow aoe E, root, slow(ult) {{champion:222}} slow and root {{champion:145}} speedboost (no cc ok but speed boost is as good as slowing someone else) {{champion:429}} slow and knockup {{champion:96}} slow and aoe {{champion:21}} slow (strong slow) and aoe {{champion:133}} slow and blind {{champion:15}} aoe, aoe, team speed boost. (which is like you slow every enemy) {{champion:18}} slow, knockback , aoe {{champion:29}} slow and aoe {{champion:110}} root, slow {{champion:67}} stun or knockback, speed boost {{champion:498}} root The only adc with no cc is : {{champion:81}} who just buys {{item:3025}} and spams his Q while slowing you.
Lost Fox (NA)
: Riot, I can't believe the things you're doing.
The game is going downhill. The only reason people spam threads about this is because we love this game as well, but cant enjoy it if they blindly lower the quality each passing patch.
Meserion (NA)
: pbe 8.9 - Thoughts on Mages Nerfs - A Better Way!
Ok then . Riot should also make it so every damn class runs out of mana after using 5 skills like mages do. Remember AD champs also got their basic attacks when out of mana.
Mita3003 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=OP Garen Support,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Aglk4GVE,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-04-19T11:22:37.363+0000) > > Well said. Too bad Riot balance team lacks logic or they simply don't give a shit. Mindset is that pro play > the actual game. They think financially its better to support pro play. We can punish that thinking by not purchasing RP. Pro play will kill the game if nothing changes. You are commenting on every single post and only spread hatread and toxicity why do that ? if you really hate the game quit its easy.
: Unpopular Opinion: I agree with mage changes
Agree or not, the timing is horrible. ADC's are problematic. Currently mages are the most balanced class in the game. I don't mind mages get nerfed if other roles gets nerfed as well. The reasoning that AP's could go botlane as well. How ? You already loose to ADC because you waste mana on farming. Unless ADC's get some kind of resource management like and ammo system I don't see how its fair to punish already full of counterplay champions instead of the braindead right-clicking.
ThePikol (EUNE)
: And then Riot will nerf Archangel
DW Diana (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=OP Garen Support,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8gtk1Xs,comment-id=001c0000,timestamp=2018-04-19T18:30:49.147+0000) > > You say I don't care that Malzahar was trashed? I'm a bigger Malzahar main then you are. Correction, you WERE a malz main in s6, as support.
Support? I was 1 of the best duelists on midlane (1 vs 1) thats the only reason I reached platinum. Anyway Malzahar worked on every lane. I brought him everywhere top, mid, jungle, adc, support. Even if I was "support" you must mean the games where my premade was Xerath "adc". (DUO AP bot best games ever). So no dude you spouting nonsense. Mastery points means nothing since I played Malzahar far longer then mastery points were a thing. I bet even now I could beat you 1 vs 1 as Malzahar after not playing with him much anymore.
: I don't think ADCs need to be gutted, a small nerf overall will do. They are only strong if they have the full support of their team. Have you seen a fed deluded ADC suicide without his support? Also, you are being slightly mischievous saying (this season only). OP.gg clearly tells me you were silver season 4 as well. I honestly dgaf about rank, but dishonesty certainly does make your post less sincere. Also, you don't even play Mid as often as you do Support or you just don't play much in general. Saying top and mid feels like shit without truly playing those roles this season comes off as someone looking for upvotes or someone who's looking for something to blame your lack of success. Bringing up your rank isn't a weak argument either. You have a pretty bad win rate and is two tiers lower than last season rank. One might easily think you are tilted and genuinely not enjoying the game because of it. It's not a baseless argument. "I stopped tryharding", "game used to be fun" doesn't necessarily mean you are under performing or you should be under performing because of it. (especially to the degree you are currently) I played 1000 games of ranked last season, I played 160 this season. My rank this season is much higher. I honestly feel like League was more fun last season than this season and I don't really feel like playing anymore ranked this season. However, as you can see, it doesn't make me a bad player. You take out the potential to actually improve in the game when you base your lack of success on "i stopped try-harding" or "ADCs are too strong" or any popular Board theme that's going around. No I'm not an ADC main with a biased opinion (ADC games were when I was in lower tier, I don't play ADC to climb), I mostly play Mid and Support.
Attacking my rank again and calling me a liar eh? Ok then. First of all : I started in season 4 May or June. Don't remember the exactly. I finished in silver I in my first year of playing. Next season(5) I reached platinum. After that(6) also reached platinum no problem. In season 7 Riot deleted my main from the game. {{champion:90}} Also deleted my other main {{champion:112}} who I reached 80 % winrate with. Same year my main was deleted I was finalist in College and at the same time started working at my first job ever. Even then I still reached gold easily. I started playing on EU West with my childhood friends. (different 1s I have been playing with on EU east) The Meta shift, Deletion of my main champion, every other role other then ADC nerfed, damage creep, lack of time in season 7, resulted in me reaching gold only. Instead of platinum on which level I was. Nowdays I'm only playing random champs I'm not used to. My skill in the game is no longer platinum ranked I can acknowledge that much. My experience though is improved. I am not an idiot like you all who blindly follow riot's every dumb decision, just because the meta favors you. You can have your opinion sure, but yours is not the fact. Fact is that more and more people are getting frustrated about the game. The increase of posts about how bad the game is all the proof you need to understand that. I like the game I really do or at least I did before the unreasonable season 7 ADC buff rework. The core of the game changed to BOTLANE dominance and TEAMPLAY. You know what teamplay > solo skill did ? Out of 10 games on 9 games I get feeders. Every 1 of my teammates are 0 8 0, 0 5 0, 1 9 2 or something like that. No matter how well I play, no matter how fed I am no matter if I took 6 turrets, 4 drakes, 1 baron my team always cost me the game. Even playing first time champs I do better then the lv7 mastery teammates. I was 1 of the best duelists (1 vs 1) in my rank in platinum V. I would win 90 % of my lanes. Game changes suck it up you can say that and you are right about that. BUT !!!!!!!!!!!!! Riot deleted 2 of my favourite champions and keeps gutting my favourite role meanwhile buffing the least skilled thing in the game right-clicking. I have every right to be pissed at them for it. Anyone of you protecting the game direction which screws over play styles just remember. Your favourite champ and role is not safe either.
: Since riot doesnt want me playing mages I wont. I dont play ad champs unless their name is ILLAOI. So thats what Im going to do. Gonna play ILLAOI mid/top/support/jng/adc and out sustain those mages while they burn their mana trying to stop me from killing E or just harassing me.
I can already beat mages on midlane as Sion.
: Hmm...if ADCs are oppressive, and we gut them, then the mages they have been oppressing may get stronger. So perhaps we should take precautions and just weaken every class at the same time, so that we avoid a situation like in season 7 where we nerfed mages, nerfed assassins and nerfed juggernauts and then marksmen had no one to kill them so they were unstoppable? No? The boards are short-sighted and they think that you only need to adjust one part of the game at a time? Okay then. It's stuff like this that makes me glad Riot ignores the boards for the most part. They know what they're doing. Mages are plenty strong, mage mains just like to pretend that they're oh so weak because ADCs happen to be stronger at the moment.
Mages are pretty balanced at the moment. ADC's are broken. No other class is as broken as the ADC. So fixing the problematic part then wait 3 months to see how thing goes and adjust others as well. You said as well everything was nerfed at the same time ADC's were buffed. Its only logical that ADC's get the nerf they deserve for like over a 1,5 year now.
DW Diana (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=OP Garen Support,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8gtk1Xs,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-18T12:12:25.657+0000) > > Everyone noticed the botlane and jungle dominates the game and there is no longer solo carry potential. Both Top and Mid feels shit. > **Riot you acknowledged that ADC's are way too strong and promised to fix them by mid season**. Instead we get what? You gut mages even more? > You balance team is incompetent shame on them. > > > Even if you remove my post many of us costumers are very unsatisfied. You can say goodbye for any RP purchasing until you fix your shit. > > Edit 1 : The only reason I play this game is because my friends wants me to play with them and I got like 1 % hope that riot will fix its game, it used to be really fun. I stopped tryharding a year ago. I play 20 % of what I used to play or even less. So many of you attack my opinion just because I'm silver. (this season only). I was platinum in season 5 and 6. Get a better argument since you got nothing. I'm ready for all the downvotes, but just feel I'd like to say ALL YOUR MAGES DESERVE IT!!!! You all sat by and laughed as every malz main watched a year of their favorite champion getting reworked to be worse, made to rely 100% on their ult, and then watch that get nerfed to the ground. You all watched and said nothing as he got nerf after nerf after nerf (5 this year if you don't count indirect ones) and told us all our champion was broken because of a point and click stun ult and waveclear that relied on you not knowing how to auto attack our voidspawns. Now finally riot have turned their attention to YOU and you're crying. You're still going be be better off than malz (notice how malz is still on the nerf. waita kick a dead horse riot!), and should be happy they aren't planning another 5 direct nerfs at you all. P.S ADC's next? Have fun Assassin's! xD
You say I don't care that Malzahar was trashed? I'm a bigger Malzahar main then you are.
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=OP Garen Support,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8gtk1Xs,comment-id=00170000,timestamp=2018-04-19T13:31:22.645+0000) > > Actions speak louder then words. So far they proved that they don't know what they are doing. I bet that adc "nerf" will somehow become a buff for them. I somehow get the idea that your definition of a "nerf" is to gut something and leave it like that, because that's not your cup of tea. That's not how game balance works not how it's supposed to be done. If Marksmen is the DPS class, then it's clearly their strength and something that shouldn't be lowered. Somehow more attributed to AS than AD (and some exceptions like Jhin). If it were me, i'd likely reduce crit scaling and resistance penetration early. Not sure what are Riot's exact plans down the line.
Riot have been going around gutting anything that threatens their view on pro play.
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