floo (EUW)
: This is another wall of text but I'll try to answer every part > nope , your stand to reform are 3 instances , because after you get 14 days ban , you get banned from almost nothing offensive ... , it doesn't have to be insulting to be banned in this game , you can say bunch of common stuffs and still face punishments . > The game already have a system which downs the punishment after 7-8 months to 0 level ... but that's most of time not a real thingh to happen since after 14 days ban you get banned from almost everything they wish and want , is not about the fact you insult people , they just take you permanent banned even if what ever you sayd wasn't your fault or wasn't insulting or making someone gameplay to get affected , if that makes sense... , You said it yourself. There _is_ a system that lowers the punishment severity. That's what you should be grateful for. _If_ you can behave like a normal human being in the meantime, you won't get perma'd for your next offense. The severity of your toxicity is either a) judged harsher since you already violated the rules 3 times previously or b) literallly the same. Can't tell you which one though, since neither me nor you have proof to back either statement, but Riot doesn't "want you banned". You literally pushed yourself into this situation with multiple charges. What I do notice though is, that people think a chat violation is just a minor violation and not permaban worthy, which is delusional. You literally get twice the passes until your final punishment, and complain it's unfair. Imagine blowing a balloon. If you blow yours only half as much as the person next to you, it will still pop at some point, there is nothing different to bans in league. > i am not excuse for my past problems , but i moved over them and removed most of it in time ,playing this game and understanding that ,there always will be someone toxic into this game , i must tolerate them , and be calm ... but that's not will change anything in the day to day of playing this game ,because there are still every day enought players who are toxic and disturb my games ,and that doesn't change , every day is same , maybe there is a problem we all not understand. 3 things prove you wrong 1. There are people who aren't gettng punished for playing with toxic players, which makes you part of a select group, not everybody. 2. Of your select group, there are examples who _did_ reform and better their behaviour. Even though I hate the example, Tyler1 is the most public one. 3. It doesn't consider what your personal problems and boundaries are. If _you_ cannot behave, you shall be punished. It is neither on Riot's nor on the player's end to justify or disregard your bad behaviour, only you. > Toxicity woulded be stoped long time ago , if my ideea was up for a test , Riot doesn't understand same as you don't understand , that they have to be neutral here, if a flamer is toxic , doesn't mean that they have to step for the guy insulted and punish back extremly hard flamer , even making him to loss his account and everything in it .. , doesn't make sense :| , where is the Riot neutrality into this matter , if they step to bully flamers back , it has no sense , and it should change , so no one gets bully , if Riot bully people for negativity for any small kind , then it's pretty normal that this behaviour will never stop in this way , Riot right now bully people without consequences .... , they don't loss anything from players banned , but players banned loss ... , and our community loss too , because i don't think that someone will say thanks riot and thanks community ,for this awesome punishment system which bans people without sense of severity 140 years . No. There doesn't have to be any "neutrality" to this. You are the one behaving badly, that is nobody elses fault or problem. The fact that you disturb other players from playing the game in some manner is what causes Riot to step in and say "stop". It is ridiculous to think Riot bullies you. You are the aggressor, yes even if it's retaliation, they prevent you from "bullying" or rather disturbing other players. It is a consequence to your actions, live with it. The rest of your text is the same thing again.
> [{quoted}](name=floo,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=demfOUju,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-11-07T17:59:43.050+0000) > > This is another wall of text but I'll try to answer every part > > You said it yourself. There _is_ a system that lowers the punishment severity. That's what you should be grateful for. _If_ you can behave like a normal human being in the meantime, you won't get perma'd for your next offense. > The severity of your toxicity is either a) judged harsher since you already violated the rules 3 times previously or b) literallly the same. Can't tell you which one though, since neither me nor you have proof to back either statement, but Riot doesn't "want you banned". You literally pushed yourself into this situation with multiple charges. > > What I do notice though is, that people think a chat violation is just a minor violation and not permaban worthy, which is delusional. You literally get twice the passes until your final punishment, and complain it's unfair. > Imagine blowing a balloon. If you blow yours only half as much as the person next to you, it will still pop at some point, there is nothing different to bans in league. > > 3 things prove you wrong > 1. There are people who aren't gettng punished for playing with toxic players, which makes you part of a select group, not everybody. > 2. Of your select group, there are examples who _did_ reform and better their behaviour. Even though I hate the example, Tyler1 is the most public one. > 3. It doesn't consider what your personal problems and boundaries are. If _you_ cannot behave, you shall be punished. It is neither on Riot's nor on the player's end to justify or disregard your bad behaviour, only you. > > No. There doesn't have to be any "neutrality" to this. You are the one behaving badly, that is nobody elses fault or problem. The fact that you disturb other players from playing the game in some manner is what causes Riot to step in and say "stop". > It is ridiculous to think Riot bullies you. You are the aggressor, yes even if it's retaliation, they prevent you from "bullying" or rather disturbing other players. It is a consequence to your actions, live with it. > > The rest of your text is the same thing again. No i haven't pushed myself into this , because every time even if stayed 3 months i was getting a stronger punishment , then i woulded have to take all from 0 , no hextech rewards , no clash gameplay , more much stress ,then i was manage to make another 3 months of doing my best to learn to be quiet when someone do something into this game ... , and i don't see the problem on me , when i did my best to reform ... and still got permanent banned , i had honor lv 1 when i got permanent banned and was about 3 months of constantly playing every day , if that doesn't mean that my behaviour was obvious in a good spot ... , i mean i haven't flame neither insult anyone in my chat logs, beside that i learn from my past mistakes and most of the previous punishments were not anymore the case of such behaviour to show in my chat logs , as result i standed to learn to care of myself and not of others says about others and what ever they say there about someone in team ,even steping to defend others and to estomp toxicity , the more i become a good person , the more i had to pay and get stressed by hundreds of people problems , and maybe i have a weak character , is not easy to build yourself and be ready to see this every day time of years , because i play from season 2 , is a lot of time i seen toxicity and mistakes over mistakes , so my problems before the 14 days ban were low gameplay problems , and in fact i step over that problem , but when i seen someone which was insulting me , throwing hard my game , and making me to play 1 vs 2 in a ranked game , i wasn't too comfortable with that ... , now i asume that is my fault somehow for what ever i sayd back then into my chat logs , but i haven't specifical insult anyone in any way possible , if i would be in the opossite side and take those words , while he actually troll/grief and he seems to be the victim??? ,he also been way more toxic than i ever coulded be , and in such a situation i step to be in control and do my best to keep myself calm as much as i can . After i got the permanent ban i stand 11 months without chat restrictions , because i swear to myself that will no longer any guy to bother me into chat , i got 10 games chat restriction again for almost nothing .. ,and not even swear .. , so i guess idk what's going on into this game , but doesn't looks good what happens . In the meaning time , i will not lie you , i made tons of people angry because i feel like my punishment were much more than i deserved , and as result as i had to suffer a punishment which wasn't actually necesary i did others unhappy. Actually i am not wrong , because everyone is happy when receiving instant feedback messages ,due to the fact they happy with this current situation , in fact they don't flame back neither say anything back ,becuse they know that the player in that case get reported and eventually permanent account banned , which is a lot ... . This is many ways can be exploit , so for exemple i can piss someone until he get angry and leave the game ,starts to troll , or swear me or someone else... , and what you will tell me that is that player fault ?? , cause others can just pull to make you angry , is just have no sense to say that permanent banned accounts have a purpose ,when it clearly not help anyone to be a better guy ... , tyler1 got multiple accounts banned ,and he got motivated to quit toxicity because Riot was apply ip bans or stream accounts bans etc... , so???
rujitra (NA)
: You have been explained the rules and how you violated them multiple times. You have been told multiple times why your behavior was bad. You’ve been told multiple times why Riot doesn’t do permanent chat bans and the like. At this point, continuing to make threads that basically say the same thing is just spam.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rflUKuE0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-07T15:09:52.338+0000) > > You have been explained the rules and how you violated them multiple times. You have been told multiple times why your behavior was bad. You’ve been told multiple times why Riot doesn’t do permanent chat bans and the like. > > At this point, continuing to make threads that basically say the same thing is just spam. still that no makes anyone to be a better person , every permament banned account ,followed by a return of that player , means problems into this game. Every year people go and come , and every year toxicity grow upper and upper , even if you don't realise , most of you no wish to avoid that , because you happy to bully people and ban them accounts permanent ,that's why you have that typical answer you share every time, that Riot will never change punishments , well good luck then , hope the people will turn this game upside down , if that's what you want to encounter every day playing this game , i am not sure how many problems of toxicity you have there in NA , but i doubt this game will survive in such terms , since euw/eune is full of people angry and toxic , and i am sure every day people learn to don't leave you to be happy from them unhappiness , makes sense that if you are happy of them unhappiness regarding permanent banned accounts ,to make them happy to bully you back once they have the ocassion and even step you to broke rules , so if there is any toxicity towards you ,makes sense why that happens to you , because karma is every time paying back people who harm others and are nothing willing to be better persons. Right now karma says that the difference between unhappy people and happy people is to big ,so unhappy banned players will always win until this karma universe balance doesn't change to neutrality.
Rioter Comments
Kei143 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RayleighTT,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=demfOUju,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-06T22:09:07.612+0000) > > The support role , wasn't assigned bot lane because of no reason and no purpose , the adc deal most of the damage ,most of the time , and you deny his chances to get feed if you don't stay and protect it , beside that the adc role is more squishy champions pool , having most of them no capacity to survive of themself. > Yeap, and that is why ADC + support bot was META for such a long time. The EU teams figured that out well during S1 worlds. > There is more behind support role than you can understand ,yes the support protects the whole team , but most important have to protect who have the capacity to carry the game and pull plays ... , so maybe i am good adc and my support screw a few thinghs and make me loss the lane , that doesn't mean is my fault and that he needs to walk away mid or top and leave me to 1 vs 2 ,deny any chance of me to even get back to normal with farm and carry the game , there are multiple problems which appear during a game. 2v2 wins and loses as a team. If the lane is lost already, might as well go elsewhere and apply pressure elsewhere and relief pressure for the ADC as well. I'll do the same if I'm playing bot lane and my support is being super bad. Just concede the bot tower and apply the pressure elsewhere.
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=demfOUju,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-06T22:15:49.421+0000) > > Yeap, and that is why ADC + support bot was META for such a long time. The EU teams figured that out well during S1 worlds. > > 2v2 wins and loses as a team. If the lane is lost already, might as well go elsewhere and apply pressure elsewhere and relief pressure for the ADC as well. I'll do the same if I'm playing bot lane and my support is being super bad. Just concede the bot tower and apply the pressure elsewhere. If your bot lane loss , makes no sense to get away and leave him to play 1 vs 2 , that doesn't make you to win the game ,doesn't make thinghs for him to be more simple as enemy have items and advantage of being 2 vs 1 , so that will never be normal , no mather of what that's not justify the fact you go away and your bot then starts to have a miserable and more miserable game , standing no chance to make a come back and to farm his lane , maybe even lossing cs into tower and being forced to go base many times as he doesn't have the support sustain , and if that's not enought , imagine he get tower gank by enemy , or that he runs out of vision wards to place in bushes ,etc... You as main support ,let's say you play support and your adc get upset because you don't play support well , what he should do ?? , leave and go mid and let you to play 1 vs 2 bot lane ?? , or if he get upset it would be normal to you for him to walk away and let you to 1 vs 2 bot lane ... ,same thingh you do to others can happen to you too , so i hope you understand why now you have to gain patience and be there in your role , no mather of what , if there is a lane 2 vs 2 , you must stay there until min 20 , then roams are okey , you can roam togheter and come up with ideas to win the lane , but running away without communication , doesn't rise a good result , because it may get annoying to play 1 vs 2 as adc ,depending on what enemy team champions picks are in bot lane. Hope you understood my point , because i spended 8 years into this game and seen lot's of thinghs which can easy get out of control , if you leave your adc and roam all the game , doesn't makes the game to be normal and doesn't make the people to be more calm ,doesn't make you win games because you insert that tension between you and your team or your adc , doesn't pursuit a good result out of that , because you will destroy completly your bot lane capacity to focus over the game and to make plays.
floo (EUW)
: The fact that there even is a way for you to lower the punishment after a certain amount of time should leave you grateful. The purpose of bans is to tell you "you're doing something wrong and we don't want that in our game", not "in 6 months you get another chance to be a dick ingame". If you can't keep your cool for more than 3 months, that's your problem not Riot's or the player's. Others play since season 1 or 2 without ever getting punished. Your chance to reform are the 4 instances of bans in comparison to 1 definite ban straight away. Why is your post so long if you are describing the same thing over and over again.
> [{quoted}](name=floo,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=demfOUju,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-11-07T09:40:24.715+0000) > > The fact that there even is a way for you to lower the punishment after a certain amount of time should leave you grateful. The purpose of bans is to tell you "you're doing something wrong and we don't want that in our game", not "in 6 months you get another chance to be a dick ingame". If you can't keep your cool for more than 3 months, that's your problem not Riot's or the player's. Others play since season 1 or 2 without ever getting punished. > > Your chance to reform are the 4 instances of bans in comparison to 1 definite ban straight away. > > Why is your post so long if you are describing the same thing over and over again. nope , your stand to reform are 3 instances , because after you get 14 days ban , you get banned from almost nothing offensive ... , it doesn't have to be insulting to be banned in this game , you can say bunch of common stuffs and still face punishments . The game already have a system which downs the punishment after 7-8 months to 0 level ... but that's most of time not a real thingh to happen since after 14 days ban you get banned from almost everything they wish and want , is not about the fact you insult people , they just take you permanent banned even if what ever you sayd wasn't your fault or wasn't insulting or making someone gameplay to get affected , if that makes sense... , i am not excuse for my past problems , but i moved over them and removed most of it in time ,playing this game and understanding that ,there always will be someone toxic into this game , i must tolerate them , and be calm ... but that's not will change anything in the day to day of playing this game ,because there are still every day enought players who are toxic and disturb my games ,and that doesn't change , every day is same , maybe there is a problem we all not understand. Toxicity woulded be stoped long time ago , if my ideea was up for a test , Riot doesn't understand same as you don't understand , that they have to be neutral here, if a flamer is toxic , doesn't mean that they have to step for the guy insulted and punish back extremly hard flamer , even making him to loss his account and everything in it .. , doesn't make sense :| , where is the Riot neutrality into this matter , if they step to bully flamers back , it has no sense , and it should change , so no one gets bully , if Riot bully people for negativity for any small kind , then it's pretty normal that this behaviour will never stop in this way , Riot right now bully people without consequences .... , they don't loss anything from players banned , but players banned loss ... , and our community loss too , because i don't think that someone will say thanks riot and thanks community ,for this awesome punishment system which bans people without sense of severity 140 years . Let's be honest that no one will be a better person if after the permanent banned account return to this game , we should give this ideea a chance , i mean is not difficult to give it a try , but Riot will not do that until community doesn't understand that , if they get bully ,they don't have to bully flamers back with such strong punishments , we all have bad days , that doesn't mean that flamers deserve to loss accounts and be unhappy , no one deserve to be unhappy ,but still we motivate to be happy on others unhappiness , i seen so often on this boards people to taunt players who got permanent banned account , now makes sense what kind of people we grow as.
Kei143 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RayleighTT,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=demfOUju,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-06T21:09:13.529+0000) > > To be honest with you many people flame and leave them lane ... , that does look like legit grief , people choose to don't play support role because they got autofill , and as soon as they loss the bot lane , they don't understand them own mistakes , assuming to flame others for them own mistakes... ,then just walk away and let the adc to play 1 vs 2 , and no mather of what ,this is not LCS not worlds , the players should play them role to the end , A support's role is to support the team, not only to support the ADC. ADC + Support was just made into a popular META (**M**ost **E**ffective **T**actic **A**vailable) strategy after S1 worlds. Doesn't necessarily mean the game HAS to be played that way. Worlds this year, we have mages + support bot, we have Juggernauts + support bot, we have mage bot with roaming support (who is pretty much never in lane), we have double supports in bot lane. Just because people chose to play a different strategy doesn't make them a troll/griefing.
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=demfOUju,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-06T21:35:14.935+0000) > > A support's role is to support the team, not only to support the ADC. ADC + Support was just made into a popular META (**M**ost **E**ffective **T**actic **A**vailable) strategy after S1 worlds. Doesn't necessarily mean the game HAS to be played that way. > > Worlds this year, we have mages + support bot, we have Juggernauts + support bot, we have mage bot with roaming support (who is pretty much never in lane), we have double supports in bot lane. > > Just because people chose to play a different strategy doesn't make them a troll/griefing. The support role , wasn't assigned bot lane because of no reason and no purpose , the adc deal most of the damage ,most of the time , and you deny his chances to get feed if you don't stay and protect it , beside that the adc role is more squishy champions pool , having most of them no capacity to survive of themself. There is more behind support role than you can understand ,yes the support protects the whole team , but most important have to protect who have the capacity to carry the game and pull plays ... , so maybe i am good adc and my support screw a few thinghs and make me loss the lane , that doesn't mean is my fault and that he needs to walk away mid or top and leave me to 1 vs 2 ,deny any chance of me to even get back to normal with farm and carry the game , there are multiple problems which appear during a game.
Kei143 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RayleighTT,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=demfOUju,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-29T12:10:08.825+0000) > > you sure about 98% bans ?? , cause if you say 12255 i don't think a rioter will come in and give you ban... , and it still could be flame ,people use to outplay and the automate chat system , they use words and they get banned by IFS ,even if they haven't been toxic , and much more.. Yes. 98% automation. If 12255 was a code for flame, then it's possible that the Rioter can come in to manually people. That's where the 2% comes in. In regards to people thinking there was no toxicity in their chat, It's more like; they think they aren't toxic, but they actually are being toxic. Even if it's mild in severity. > > Probably english is easy to detect , but let's say i flame in my mother language with acronyms for words that would mean insults , i am not totally sure that someone could be banned for swearing in his own language someone else , maybe that person not understand what that guy says. Language packages are able to identify different languages. If your language can be in word processing softwares and you are able to run spelling and grammar checks, then the Machine Learning system would be able to learn and identify whether the (overall) chat was used as insults and/or harassment. Also, people don't get punished for swearing. You can swear all you want, just don't direct it towards others. Infact, you can insult and harass others without the use of swear words. > > Also from what i remember the problem in past with chat restrictions , it was that there was quit a long number of games you woulded get chat restricted... , and more than that ,you would still get insulted ,and sometimes you wouldn't be able to answer neither back ,and neither defend or ask for ganks etc.. , from what do i remember back then there were no ping system improved... , now you have pings for everything. > > And if that's not enought , imagine being chat banned permanent wouldn't give you acces to read chat or to write chat... , anyway should be on the option of the player ,what does he want... , and i am sure most of people if they would have to chose between permanent banned chat and permanent banned account , would chose the chat ... , so what's the problem ??? , Aren't we glad that there already is an option to self mute and disable ally chat? People should use that feature more. There are different levels of control. Some can ignore all flame, some can /mute when receiving some flame, some will learn to tone it back after certain punishments, some will just have to disable chat and leave it there all the time. Some will just never learn and remain salty towards Riot and do acts of revenge. Regarding permabans, Riot has deemed that those whom have been punished 4 times (assuming they climb through all 4 punishment tiers) as "unreformable" and their existence in the game will just do more damage to the community. Which is why Riot tells those players that they are not welcome in their game. Is 4 the correct number? Who knows, but they chose this statistic based on their past experience. There are people on these boards (like Hotaru), who have been permabanned then fully reformed. Who knows what made him change his mind. Maybe he'll tell us what made him change his mind after his permaban. > if someone will grief/troll , they anyway will troll/grief if they want on new accounts ... ,cause a permanent banned account punishment ,could make them to take this attitude and troll/grief play because of the fact that troll/griefers ain't even getting spotted or detected ,without being banned , so a guy who got permanent banned account would more likely do grief/troll because of that ,as response for the fact they got permanent ban on them accounts for talking chat , and for the fact that troll/grief isn't punished as it should. > > > > If you would go into my ideea you would understand ,why it could be the best solution , you ban someone chat permanent , you have no longer problems with him , you can easy follow his gameplay reports and detect if he grief/troll after... > The problem is how difficult it is to prove and verify the intention of disruptive gameplay. Even as humans, we have trouble identifying what is considered as intentional disruptive gameplay. Many of the players that get punished are those that incorrectly identify when others are intentionally disrupting gameplay. They confuse bad plays, bad players, tilted players making bad decisions as intentionally disrupting gameplay. > You also have time to improve the grief/troll detecting system , which again is a victory , this change , would decrease so much toxicity towards the chats ,and stress for people + would for the first time in last 4-5 years focus over the most spread behaviour in this game ,which is troll/grief , as there is a large amount of players who do that without to even understand Not sure you are getting the idea that less permabans will mean more resources to improve disruptive gameplay detection. Permabans by the IFS aren't issued by a Rioter. The people doing reviews are also not the same people that program detection. So just becuase you remove permabans, it doesn't mean you'll free up resources for better detection. > who flame others and decide to roam too early and leave for exemple them adc alone , Not griefing > because they no want to play support, Those that have no intention to play the game will get punished. We've seen it many times on these boards. > or they refuse to help someone because they have something personal with that player , May be griefing, may be not. If there is no chemistry between to teammates, moving to other locations with better chemistry may be better for the team and perform better, thus winning the game. If I see that my bot lane partner sucks, but my midlaner is good, I will abandon and sacriface my bot laner early and push the lead through mid. My resource as a support is better spent on locations that have the higher chance to win me the game. Just because you disagree with people 's macros, doesn't always make them griefing. --- --- --- Personally I see improvements needed for the system is better education, clarity and transparency. Removing permabans (essentially only effecting 0.06% of the community) won't change much. Showing the community of what is and isn't griefing will reduce the toxicity in the games. Letting people know asking for reports is useless and threatening other's account is consider harassment will help reduce toxicity and the need to defend yourself. Letting people know that their behavior is unacceptable early may help reduce toxicity, although people can attempt to game the system. So there's a fine balance between clarity and being able to catch repeat offenders gaming the system.
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=demfOUju,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-29T14:41:04.069+0000) > > > Not griefing > > Those that have no intention to play the game will get punished. We've seen it many times on these boards. > > May be griefing, may be not. If there is no chemistry between to teammates, moving to other locations with better chemistry may be better for the team and perform better, thus winning the game. > > If I see that my bot lane partner sucks, but my midlaner is good, I will abandon and sacriface my bot laner early and push the lead through mid. My resource as a support is better spent on locations that have the higher chance to win me the game. > > Just because you disagree with people 's macros, doesn't always make them griefing. > > Personally I see improvements needed for the system is better education, clarity and transparency. > > Removing permabans (essentially only effecting 0.06% of the community) won't change much. > > Showing the community of what is and isn't griefing will reduce the toxicity in the games. > > Letting people know asking for reports is useless and threatening other's account is consider harassment will help reduce toxicity and the need to defend yourself. > > Letting people know that their behavior is unacceptable early may help reduce toxicity, although people can attempt to game the system. So there's a fine balance between clarity and being able to catch repeat offenders gaming the system. To be honest with you many people flame and leave them lane ... , that does look like legit grief , people choose to don't play support role because they got autofill , and as soon as they loss the bot lane , they don't understand them own mistakes , assuming to flame others for them own mistakes... ,then just walk away and let the adc to play 1 vs 2 , and no mather of what ,this is not LCS not worlds , the players should play them role to the end , now assuming rarely the adc player is the guy who doesn't handle that good the game , probably i would understand ,but when i see people that have no clue how to be a good support and just walk mid or top , and that even if no one need them there , and people tell them to get back into them lane , they not even care that they grief/troll and refuse to listen , doesn't seems like Riot is doing them job proper , because they ain't afraid to do any of that. There are no excuses for who ever grief/troll to don't deserve a permanent ban , but there are excuses for why a guy shouldn't get a permanent ban for chat behaviour , expecially and expecially in cases you haven't flame most of your punishments directly someone person , if that makes him to worth 140 years ban , then i may be in the wrong place asking and talking to wrong people. I am not here to do something just for myself , because i one don't feel guilty for what ever i did , i had broke rules from 3 in 3 months and i speak completly honest here ,and what ... ?? , is my fault that there are every day toxic players , troll/grief players who are undetected and walks away clean, is my fault that there are every season players who play ranked and get lv 30 accounts directly from internet gaining free acces to play ranked without to even know the game , or is my fault that there someone can be placed completly wrong in provisional games , or boosted or anything else .... , how many thinghs don't depend of me . Those thinghs depend of Riot , i did my best to control and work on my own behaviour , and therefore i deserve to be respected... , and i also have a good point here to present , maybe you not understand it yet... I doubt there is only 0.0006% because that number never been updated since Riot implemented system been released , we have no data base to see that... , it's no way possible to be such a small percent until is a lie to cover up the fact people quited to be toxic and negative , and people get punishments from almost smallest negative thingh without to have any impact over someone person or gameplay , and i am extremly confident that Riot can't be on 0.00006% time of 5-6 years... , you know we speak about reality , and there are so much toxicity expecially into EUNE servers ,and i see every day cases of grief/troll ,negative atittude , and toxicity and i no need those fake numbers to see the problem , i no want this community to live in a lie . We can't pretend that banning people permanent on them accounts is the best solution , when there is a non invasive solution , which could just completly delete toxicity out of game , and keep neutrality between flamers and people who are bully into chat messages , what's the point of harming each other... , people get bully and flamed, the flamers get banned and loss them account in time if he can't stop , then he get punished by Riot extremly severely , realise that he lost all , and now he have a fresh start ,and nothing will keep him to make more happy if he see every day people toxic and who grief/troll , then he stress themself how he got banned and every day have to see this behaviour , then he turns into getting punishments and etc.... , no one wins , Riot doesn't make sales ... i don't care ,they don't care about sales , flamers no win anything by doing this ,but all of this is forced by Riot punishment system. If thinghs woudl turn neutral in the middle , and there wouldn't be such a loss , like a whole account in which you played between 1-9 years and + the all content who was unique + your money you invested + friend list + your stats + your champions + your rune pages+ ranked rewards + legacy content ,etc.... , that's a huge loss , is not about learning people a leasson , because no one would say thank you i learn my leasson after they lost all those stuffs... , is not a feel like you encourage from that minut , someone to become a better person ... ,for moment maybe you tell yourself i can take this from begin and make it different , but is not ... , is every time same behaviour into this game ,and you must tolerate all of this and tell yourself to stay cool and chill , while you may run again in a permanent ban... I run throught 2 permanent bans , twice i lost champions/runes/ ranked rewards and more than this , there are people who run throught 15 + permanet bans ,and that 0.0006% is completly fake , i am sure there is a huge number of people who break rules and riot , and riot haven't even occured to ban the troll/griefers ,which happens to be a very common behaviour , even if people not realise what they do , they involuntary troll/grief and Riot can't even face that problem and see it. If that 0.00006% i doubt ,there would be a problem for Riot to implement permanent chat bans ,and follow people behaviour if they troll/grief and getting reported for that.. , is not big deal to establish that ... , i can do it so easy when i play this game and i can tell what is troll/grief not even struggle to establish if it really was or not . Some people even state into chat that they troll/grief , but riot doesn't even take that in calcs , not even detect that particulary problem... , i would say by now that they should have a system which automatly sort such cases and they can manually review ... ,when someone say " i troll " , i say manually review because people can say " i troll you " as a joke response etc... , but it not just that , i have so many great ideeas and Riot never show up on this board or anywhere to listen people ideas.
Kei143 (NA)
: Verbal punishments are already 98% automated with 99.9% accuracy. The 2% of manual work is to do spot checks on the bot to make sure that it is punishing correctly, or people are trying creative ways to dodge the system. From their previous system, people whom have thousands of games of chat restriction turn to trolling to grief in their games, as such, Riot would rather not have the chronic toxics in the game to further disturb the community. Which is why they permaban. All this is not to be confused with people whom are willing to self mute using the ability to turn off alliance chat. Whom have some self control, but not enough so they can hold back their speech. Disruptive gameplay reviews is currently around 20% automated. Riot draws the line that the disruptive gameplay has to be intentional for it to be punishable. Therefore if a player is tilted and tunnel visioned on the CS in front of them, and not paying attention to the map, then gets picked off does not qualify as griefing. They are just ... not paying attention to the map. Now if you can prove that they were intentionally not caring, then you have a valid punishment. But the hard part is to prove intent, and that normally happens after a pattern can be observed.
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=demfOUju,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-28T23:12:19.694+0000) > > Verbal punishments are already 98% automated with 99.9% accuracy. The 2% of manual work is to do spot checks on the bot to make sure that it is punishing correctly, or people are trying creative ways to dodge the system. > > From their previous system, people whom have thousands of games of chat restriction turn to trolling to grief in their games, as such, Riot would rather not have the chronic toxics in the game to further disturb the community. Which is why they permaban. > > All this is not to be confused with people whom are willing to self mute using the ability to turn off alliance chat. Whom have some self control, but not enough so they can hold back their speech. > > Disruptive gameplay reviews is currently around 20% automated. Riot draws the line that the disruptive gameplay has to be intentional for it to be punishable. Therefore if a player is tilted and tunnel visioned on the CS in front of them, and not paying attention to the map, then gets picked off does not qualify as griefing. They are just ... not paying attention to the map. > > Now if you can prove that they were intentionally not caring, then you have a valid punishment. But the hard part is to prove intent, and that normally happens after a pattern can be observed. you sure about 98% bans ?? , cause if you say 12255 i don't think a rioter will come in and give you ban... , and it still could be flame ,people use to outplay and the automate chat system , they use words and they get banned by IFS ,even if they haven't been toxic , and much more.. Probably english is easy to detect , but let's say i flame in my mother language with acronyms for words that would mean insults , i am not totally sure that someone could be banned for swearing in his own language someone else , maybe that person not understand what that guy says. Also from what i remember the problem in past with chat restrictions , it was that there was quit a long number of games you woulded get chat restricted... , and more than that ,you would still get insulted ,and sometimes you wouldn't be able to answer neither back ,and neither defend or ask for ganks etc.. , from what do i remember back then there were no ping system improved... , now you have pings for everything. And if that's not enought , imagine being chat banned permanent wouldn't give you acces to read chat or to write chat... , anyway should be on the option of the player ,what does he want... , and i am sure most of people if they would have to chose between permanent banned chat and permanent banned account , would chose the chat ... , so what's the problem ??? , if someone will grief/troll , they anyway will troll/grief if they want on new accounts ... ,cause a permanent banned account punishment ,could make them to take this attitude and troll/grief play because of the fact that troll/griefers ain't even getting spotted or detected ,without being banned , so a guy who got permanent banned account would more likely do grief/troll because of that ,as response for the fact they got permanent ban on them accounts for talking chat , and for the fact that troll/grief isn't punished as it should. If you would go into my ideea you would understand ,why it could be the best solution , you ban someone chat permanent , you have no longer problems with him , you can easy follow his gameplay reports and detect if he grief/troll after... .You also have time to improve the grief/troll detecting system , which again is a victory , this change , would decrease so much toxicity towards the chats ,and stress for people + would for the first time in last 4-5 years focus over the most spread behaviour in this game ,which is troll/grief , as there is a large amount of players who do that without to even understand , who flame others and decide to roam too early and leave for exemple them adc alone , because they no want to play support, or they refuse to help someone because they have something personal with that player , and much more .... , tell me how many months and years would riot need to look into that and to notice that there was grief gameplay?
floo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=RayleighTT,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OPFfPY2u,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-10-28T17:14:54.681+0000) > > you are funny ... , you don't know that you receive stronger punishments , even if you have 3 months of reformed behaviour without negativity , so do you asume that this guy really deserves to be permanent banned knowing this ??? , i tell you i haven't test... ,but you would need more than 5-6 months to reset your punishment level(because there is not a decreasing toxic level system to do that) ,which acording to what you say there , is kind of much to wait for having a chance to decrease your toxic level + if you get punished after 3-4 months , you again have to begin from 0 months to stay 6 months clean and don't be negative at all ,considering there are many reasons you can just loss your calm ... , there is no point to proof you anything else than the fact this current system abuse punishments and that if you are in the situation to loss your calm every 3+ months after tolerate hundreds of cases of flame and troll/grief against you and others from your game ,then i think is definetly an abuse the current system as it works... , because you do tolerate hundreds of cases of toxicity ,and if you respond after 3 months to 1 guy , you just get your punishment reset chances denyed ,that mean you have to start from 0 and be again 6+ months clean behaviour to reset your punishment level , which in this way , even if you do your best you can get to the situation you can be permanent banned for such cases , even if you don't deserve that because Riot have not implement a pro active system which lowers punishment during the high amounts of positivity and neutral behaviour... . When I read things like this, it sounds like people have to physically restrain themselves from not typing bullshit in chat. Like.. how hard can it be? I've been playing since season 2, no punishment yet and even question some people ingame. But there's no reason to break out so much over a game.. Yea it's a meme "it's just a game", but seriously, it's not that hard. The fact that you even get a chance to lower your toxicity level is something you should be grateful about, if you haven't learned about what you're doing wrong after 3 consecutive punishments, you don't deserve anything else.
> [{quoted}](name=floo,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OPFfPY2u,comment-id=000300010001,timestamp=2019-10-28T20:54:47.042+0000) > > When I read things like this, it sounds like people have to physically restrain themselves from not typing bullshit in chat. Like.. how hard can it be? I've been playing since season 2, no punishment yet and even question some people ingame. But there's no reason to break out so much over a game.. Yea it's a meme "it's just a game", but seriously, it's not that hard. > The fact that you even get a chance to lower your toxicity level is something you should be grateful about, if you haven't learned about what you're doing wrong after 3 consecutive punishments, you don't deserve anything else. you have my chat logs over this board , i haven't been breaking rules intentionally ,full backgroudn explained of what happened that game ,and i don't use what happened that game as an excuse , i use it to tell people ,that someone else if woulded be in my place would react much worse ,and behave not that calm and chill , maybe there are some persons which could be totally fine with what just happened to me into that game... , but i wasn't on that moment fine ,because i lost my time to improve and behave nicer , and i was getting every day flamers, and toxic players over and over again , i am not fine to see that over and over again , why i must be totally chill calm for 6+ months to don't receive a permanent ban and to get my punishment lvl decreased ... , is beyond my capacity to deal with some problems sometimes , but that doesn't mean i am a bad person/toxic or anything... , just mean i sayd some stuffs , tell me what kind of insult would be what ever i been wrong with ?? , i haven't understood how someone can be affected by me because they toxic to me ... ??? ,makes no sense , is not obvious that guy who flame me ,do that to make me angry to insult me , to make me loss my patience , is not obvious that he definetly will report me after that for personal reasons ... ,not exactly that i did something to him ..
Kei143 (NA)
: With the punishment = consistency x severity formula... if severity = 0, what will become of your formula?
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=demfOUju,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-28T20:30:11.493+0000) > > With the punishment = consistency x severity formula... if severity = 0, what will become of your formula? actually if there would be permanent banned chat , people wouldn't move on to create new accounts or buy , and then break again rules or be toxic towards chat , standing on them own account playing in silent without to care about chat . Okey so far??? , If i tell you that then Riot have enought time to focus on aiming the rest of problems such as trolling/griefing behaviour , sound much better ??? , i mean they wouldn't have to deal with so much problems regarding chat... , and then they could aim to remove troll/grief gameplay and improve that part of system which right now doesn't works as it should. This ideea came in my mind as i been speaking to you , and thinking about an answer to your concerns. The severity should be apply where it mathers , that means troll/grief cases should go full of severity... , but right now it's not like that... , so why then the flame should suffer such strong punishments ,while some people not even flame and get banned 140 years permanent, while there are people which more than 6 months grief/troll and got banned just because got public case shared... , such cases exist who ain't discovered ,and i believe everyone can succed to troll/grief and hide it so well that riot couldn't have any ideea what to follow when analys a player. will look forward to see ,what do you think about that , this is much more short , sorry for writing too long replyes ,hope you forgive me for that , but most of times for me isn't simple to share my ideeas that simple.
Kei143 (NA)
: You know after visiting here so many times that the system doesn't punish based on severity alone. It punishes based on consistency x severity, meaning you can be punished for 1 game of extreme toxicity or many many games of mild toxicity. You know by now that the reform card only shows you 1-5 recent games as examples of unacceptable behavior, doesn't mean you were punished for 1 game alone. If the other games you were validly reported in passes the "recent " timeframe, it won't show on your reform card. If you want to discuss the system, at least get the facts of the system right first. Your problem is that you think anyone that makes plays not to your liking is trolling and griefing, so you get angry at them. Just accept that people can be bad and they make crappy decisions. You sometime will make those decisions as well, so don't go pointing fingers at others all the time.
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=demfOUju,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-28T19:51:04.295+0000) > > You know after visiting here so many times that the system doesn't punish based on severity alone. It punishes based on consistency x severity, meaning you can be punished for 1 game of extreme toxicity or many many games of mild toxicity. > > You know by now that the reform card only shows you 1-5 recent games as examples of unacceptable behavior, doesn't mean you were punished for 1 game alone. If the other games you were validly reported in passes the "recent " timeframe, it won't show on your reform card. > > If you want to discuss the system, at least get the facts of the system right first. > > > Your problem is that you think anyone that makes plays not to your liking is trolling and griefing, so you get angry at them. Just accept that people can be bad and they make crappy decisions. You sometime will make those decisions as well, so don't go pointing fingers at others all the time. Those are my chat logs , i started 3 0 , my support goes roaming min 8 with ultimate to help others ,while leaving me to play 1 vs 2 and farm alone a lane where i have to play 1 vs 2 isn't a good move ,then he flames me because i died , and then he flames me again that i died , because he stayed too far of even using that dash taunt to protect me ... , and if i go further , then he got to mid , roam and stayed there whole game , being toxic in that time towards me , because not even after i had to play 1 vs 2 ,he didn't stop , and i told him some stuffs to make him to return his support role lane ,as he should be in that lane not mid... , what do i say there is only to show him and proof him that in such cases his behaviour is against rules... , and the way he act and play is not encourage by me , i had to play 1 vs 2 , and while you will say okey handle it , i haven't been a main xayah player , i wanted to give that champion a chance and to play it ... , it was just gold 3 the division i been in , so enemy jungler steped to gank me into tower , i remember they had caitlyn and brand bot lane , so imagine how easy was for me to play as adc 1 vs 2... , in case i was stunned i had no option to survive. If that's not enought later , after i farmed and got lot's of items and repaired somehow my score , my jungler who was 4 8 told me that i am bad and that i don't deserve red ... , the moment i answer him that i may be bad , and told him that he will get banned for such behaviour , not as a threat just as a fact that is not okey how does he answer after his actions , and then i told him in romanian that is toxic what he did ,and that i haven't been judge his gameplay to insult him , and just stand to say that from min 30 the adc should get the red ,from my past knowdledge i know ADC is mid /late game hero , so it makes sense , i wanted to win , he took 2 red buffs from me and etc... , i told him good luck to win you are selfish , as i been pissed on the fact that he doesn't leave me the option to take the red and to carry the game ,neither the respect as being there into that game. Had nothing personal from chat logs to share with him. He just act like that , and on the end of game mid flame me , top flame me , i haven't sayed anything , but in post-game i sayd report xayah , i had 20k gold most much gold from our team , and i did my best to win the game beside the problems from it , and maybe not everything i sayd was alright , but neither seems to be alright to be banned 140 years for that , the second game , zed(mid),kayle(top) -asked to play jungle as he is smurf , started negative score and was obvious not smurf , then zed roams and leave mid undefended as he wanted to loss the game.. , after 4-5 minuts i see him that he dosn't return and spin around map not protecting mid i tell him: "open mid ?" , in that sense... , and what ever i sayd after was just to make him feel like any of his toxicity and grief/troll actions have no impact over me ,i encourage our irelia in adc position gameplay , and i been telling on the pre-game that enemy jungler lee sin is a smurfer. If you would be in my place , and you would be aiming those problems , would you consider yourself extremly calm to all of these ??? , i did my best to don't be negative , but you will tell me ,that obviously i didn't do enought , well i did what i could ... , i mute a guy who was toxic at the end of the game ... , i handle his toxicity ,because i wanted to report him later for his toxicity too , never ever had the change to report him ,as the IFS message with permanent banned came in and i had to log out ,having not even option to leave my report , i do believe life have many edges , i been so many times aiming to be better and better ,than never mather , never mather how much i tryed ,how much i changed ,what i was doing , it never mather... , and after that i lost myself as person and never been same again , not anymore feel passion for this game , i play to loss my time and answer back to how i been treat by Riot in my case analys , which is a long storry too , and for the fact ,i haven't deserved this , considering how much i changed and what kind of person i been and how much toxicity i tolerate after the permanent ban , before i change myself further a level and to don't anymore any stress to pull me back to any punishment , some parts of me wanted to proof that i can be honorable ,and that the punishment wasn't something necesary , as i had not changing anything into my behaviour , just building higher walls between my gameplay and what happens around me ... , as i tended to not anymore stress on who is griefing/trolling , just notice them and report ... , and obvious after that i realise that everyone who grief/troll ain't get banned .. ,and seen again how much justice have Riot when my reports get ignored being well detailed , and then when i seen that nothing change , i finally drop to stress myself on the fact that there are toxic players into my games . 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Nagake (EUNE)
: Perma banned for a single insult while being the one that was insulted all game
Those are mine , and there was no support sayed as the fact he was playing mid ,and an answer to jax after calling me bad , and taking my red , wanted just to make him consider to don't act and speak like that... , not as a threat ,because my english expressing thinghs sometimes sucks , but that doesn't mean i am a bad player , i was having lv 167 , every punishment i succed to stay 3 months with clean behaviour , doing my best to ignore toxicity from others and bad gameplay and troll/griefers players, and i know 1 single thingh , i tryed and learned a lot and had a high capacity to stand towards toxicity , i seen people who acted way worse when they got angry , imagine i started game 3 0 as xayah adc... , then someone just considered to walk away from being support .. and to be toxic same time , and talk about my deaths and etc... Second game again i been jungler , been flamed whole game by zed(mid) and kayn(top) , my zed drop the game and was spinning on map, while i had to defend mid tower as jungler because he deny his tower protection... , whole game keep same attitude towards me ,even if we had chances to win , i am not totally okey , because between my 14 days ban and this permament ban i had 3 months again without problems ,tolerate cases over cases of toxicity towards me and my games i played ,where i lost games due to toxicity ,to bad players ,to troll/griefers/afk , and i pass 3 months throught that which for me wasn't something easy , i deny every part of my bad behaviour i had issues with in past , and moved on and learned thinghs , and Riot still was aiming to learn me a leasson.... , and the point is that from so much leassons to learn , and the fact that was a second permanent banned account , then adding the fact that i succed to stay over 11 months clean behaviour , and fail one single moment and loss almost a honor lv 4 ... and ranked rewards , proof me that the chat should never be a thingh in which you should learn how to tolerate others toxicity... . 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Kei143 (NA)
: You know after visiting here so many times that the system doesn't punish based on severity alone. It punishes based on consistency x severity, meaning you can be punished for 1 game of extreme toxicity or many many games of mild toxicity. You know by now that the reform card only shows you 1-5 recent games as examples of unacceptable behavior, doesn't mean you were punished for 1 game alone. If the other games you were validly reported in passes the "recent " timeframe, it won't show on your reform card. If you want to discuss the system, at least get the facts of the system right first. Your problem is that you think anyone that makes plays not to your liking is trolling and griefing, so you get angry at them. Just accept that people can be bad and they make crappy decisions. You sometime will make those decisions as well, so don't go pointing fingers at others all the time.
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=demfOUju,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-28T19:51:04.295+0000) > > You know after visiting here so many times that the system doesn't punish based on severity alone. It punishes based on consistency x severity, meaning you can be punished for 1 game of extreme toxicity or many many games of mild toxicity. > > You know by now that the reform card only shows you 1-5 recent games as examples of unacceptable behavior, doesn't mean you were punished for 1 game alone. If the other games you were validly reported in passes the "recent " timeframe, it won't show on your reform card. > > If you want to discuss the system, at least get the facts of the system right first. > > > Your problem is that you think anyone that makes plays not to your liking is trolling and griefing, so you get angry at them. Just accept that people can be bad and they make crappy decisions. You sometime will make those decisions as well, so don't go pointing fingers at others all the time. so that means, that everything you do , you can be banned ... , even if you ain't consisten toxic . You still have chances to be banned ???
Ud Jng (NA)
: Game 1 Pre-Game Ud Jng: fighting already Ud Jng: iron league In-Game Ud Jng: this sucks Ud Jng: meh its 5v4 you hads top help i didnt gg buddy Ud Jng: gj dude Ud Jng: pro moves.. that 5v4 epic Ud Jng: i was defending top Ud Jng: you guys are actual;ly getting toxic in a 5v4 Ud Jng: you pulled dragon out of pit he reset Ud Jng: thats your fault Ud Jng: omg Ud Jng: these guys are legit getting toxic in a 5v4 Ud Jng: top quit and im the one they are raging on Ud Jng: this is awesome Ud Jng: so are toxic people gg Ud Jng: no Ud Jng: its over Ud Jng: you guys ruined it Ud Jng: no wonder he quit Ud Jng: gg guys Ud Jng: with all your cussing we will see hwo gets banned lol Ud Jng: for what you do know they review the games right? Ud Jng: yeah thats not how it works but good thinking Ud Jng: gg gee Ud Jng: blue Ud Jng: its funny im doing the worst and yet morg is the most tilted she is one salty lil lady Ud Jng: ahri is upset because i didnt chase a drag that got reset Ud Jng: grrrr Ud Jng: he died in a 5v4 he is uber nub Ud Jng: they said no lol no joke Ud Jng: oh snaps the insults are back Ud Jng: im not a real jungler Ud Jng: i wish you guys could see how toxic these guys are and how tilted this bot lane is Ud Jng: gg I was not using the time in that sense, it was based off of 1 game so it is only the 1 log and i feel the log doesn't show what really happened in that game.
> [{quoted}](name=Ud Jng,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wGxXuZty,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-28T16:53:37.440+0000) > > Game 1 > Pre-Game > Ud Jng: fighting already > Ud Jng: iron league > In-Game > Ud Jng: this sucks > Ud Jng: meh its 5v4 you hads top help i didnt gg buddy > Ud Jng: gj dude > Ud Jng: pro moves.. that 5v4 epic > Ud Jng: i was defending top > Ud Jng: you guys are actual;ly getting toxic in a 5v4 > Ud Jng: you pulled dragon out of pit he reset > Ud Jng: thats your fault > Ud Jng: omg > Ud Jng: these guys are legit getting toxic in a 5v4 > Ud Jng: top quit and im the one they are raging on > Ud Jng: this is awesome > Ud Jng: so are toxic people gg > Ud Jng: no > Ud Jng: its over > Ud Jng: you guys ruined it > Ud Jng: no wonder he quit > Ud Jng: gg guys > Ud Jng: with all your cussing we will see hwo gets banned lol > Ud Jng: for what you do know they review the games right? > Ud Jng: yeah thats not how it works but good thinking > Ud Jng: gg gee > Ud Jng: blue > Ud Jng: its funny im doing the worst and yet morg is the most tilted she is one salty lil lady > Ud Jng: ahri is upset because i didnt chase a drag that got reset > Ud Jng: grrrr > Ud Jng: he died in a 5v4 he is uber nub > Ud Jng: they said no lol no joke > Ud Jng: oh snaps the insults are back > Ud Jng: im not a real jungler > Ud Jng: i wish you guys could see how toxic these guys are and how tilted this bot lane is > Ud Jng: gg > > > > I was not using the time in that sense, it was based off of 1 game so it is only the 1 log and i feel the log doesn't show what really happened in that game. man , i stayed 3 months clean behaviour after 14 days ban , haven't step to be banned from hundreds of toxicity cases towards me , i loss myself and answer to a guy who flame/grief/troll and make me to play 1 vs 2 bot lane as adc ,while he was autofill support , making the game extremly uncomfortable for me , i do not insult him , in any way and i get permanent banned , does that make sense , no it dosn't .... , if everything would be judge if it have sense or not , they will loss time to ban people, they have an automatic ban system , an automatic answer system , and they not willing to loss time to listen to your opinnion or to help you , they must move on to ban others... , to automatic answers to others ,so they can ban as much people as they can , and if you question them if the ban was right or not , they will not even think about ,they will just say ,is well deserved considering your past behaviour ,and then move on and claim is totally alright that punishment... , i mean what and how do you can contest them decision as player ,when hundreds of players into this game just waits to be toxic towards your opinnion if you share it into this board. If that doesn't help you , give me your skype ,i can help you to pass over it , i passed hard over my punishment too , but i got motivated to change myself in another way , not actually to be perfect , in the sense you can't be perfect ,but you can fake image yourself of being perfect . I succed to stay 11 months and more without getting any chat restriction playing only ranked gameplay... , having to deal with hundreds of chat toxicity cases , i am not even right now using my mute options that often ,neither have feeled like i need them disable chat option since it even been implemented never used it ,because i learn to accept toxicity as common behaviour over this game , this is the normal in this case , League of legends will not change too soon what does it is like ... ,you have to accept everything happen in it , as being normal , even if it's not normal , never have higher expectetions , never mark yourself as being a problem , because as you see yourself in your case you ain't a problem , neither a guy who deserve 140 years ban for what you sayd there. I will look forward to see if you have drop a skype/discord so we can talk . Is better to make friends throught people who still have brain and hearth ,but they decide to think for themself what's the best persons they should talk too. As you see here , you will not see much people to agree with your rights and thoughts , and they will never care about you , me as a stranger to you ,and me to you , shouldn't make me to empathise with your case , but even if i wouldn't be nerver experience your problems on my own skin , then still i would be there to support your rights and back , as you didn't been in my opinnion worth for such things and such easy the 140 years ban punishment, considering , if i would be in your game ,what would you say there ,wouldn't make me to feel you are toxic , but as the fact you sayd some stuffs like we see who get's banned , they reported you back just so they make sure if you report them that they maybe have chance to do something to you , is my personal opinnion that here is a case where some people pissed because they insulted you and that you didn't insult them back , keeped flame you and then when you sayd something back considered to report you ,maybe,maybe they succed to ban you for that. As i no feel like you insult anyone ,neither that you insult someone gameplay etc...
rujitra (NA)
: No. You will not be unbanned. No. Riot will not change the rules or change your punishment just because you try to "discuss" with them why you shouldn't have to control your emotions and have self-control. No. Riot will not take "but he started it" as an excuse for bad behavior. No. Making more posts about this will not change this. No. Riot is not going to take what you "feel" or your opinion over what their data shows that people will do.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=demfOUju,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-28T18:18:47.289+0000) > > No. You will not be unbanned. > > No. Riot will not change the rules or change your punishment just because you try to "discuss" with them why you shouldn't have to control your emotions and have self-control. > > No. Riot will not take "but he started it" as an excuse for bad behavior. > > No. Making more posts about this will not change this. > > No. Riot is not going to take what you "feel" or your opinion over what their data shows that people will do. you not even readed ... ,is not about talking who started it... maybe you need to read all to understand what i point here.... , is not to excuse the fact you answer back... . Is more complex than you even would understand ,and that because you have something personal against me from previous posts. You could be less mean , i find your answers very aggresive ,considering the way you should talk to me ... , because even if i had past issues and maybe i still have some issues , you have no right to speak to me like my opinnion doesn't mather , or that i should stop from writing and protecting my point of view . Because ,cons and pros of my ideeas are there every time i share something ... , and i analys from 2 views everything i write , is your problem if you don't analys your answer to me from 2 views... , because for you may be okey ,but that doesn't mean that for me or others should be same , as long as i feel like there is something wrong , i will not drop it , not because i am a stubborn , just because i feel like there is too much negativity towards any ideea which aim for punishment system improvments, because is kind of a sharp knife stabbed in every player who tolerate every day toxicity towards playing this game and the fact he get a stabb because he answer once back ... ,and the fact every time you try to be a good player , and loss yourself for a moment then you get stabbed stronger by Riot and is not normal , because every punishment issued feels like you are close to the death and the fact you will get permanent banned for not even being your guilty that you every day have to be attacked by Riot good and kind community + Riot system . I am not a lier , i invite you to play EUNE to see what kind of behaviour you see here every day ,and nothing change . I can proof you every day in this game there is toxicity towards you and others in your games , and how many years passed nothing changed, and will not change , because even me as tired as i am of playing this game , i keep play this game , and i have stronger reasons to don't quit and be toxic if i want to be toxic , because in past i did my best to don't be toxic , and much more than my best to improve and don't answer to people back , my IQ and the way i control myself even if i don't sometimes handle others toxicity , proofs the fact i have a strong confidence that my brain capacity to deal with such psihical attacks , my brain capacity self develop into making me a much more calm person , even much more than that ,because as human our brains need to change ,our capacity to deal with problems must change , most of people i see into this game , don't have my capacity to handle the toxic behaviour , most of people with problems regarding toxic behaviour will never have that , they will never understand thinghs as me . Most of people who never suffered punishments ,haven't been yet too competitive, haven't yet consumed for a video game or haven't yet cared if they win or loss a game . But that doesn't makes them saints or that they are so good behaving players , because any moment someone can make them to fall , and life is different from human to human , no one is perfect ,and i am certainly sure ,that no one can be that perfect ,and that he never had issues where they become angry or stressed ... , you never know what you will get in life , what leasson you will have to deal with , and what you will have to change to yourself. So i am not quiting my subject , try again later ... , because you will never make me to stop ,you will never make me to care about your toxic opinnion , will never motivate me to stop or to quit that , because i have the self confidence that what do i present is not harming the game , neither harming anyone , much more it actually improves it , but before i end this , i want you to know that i been dealing with many players toxic like you happen to be towards me now , and they haven't succed to make me quit , neither to stop, neither to drop anything in life . I will always follow my ideeas and thoughts to the end , as long as i analys this problem of quit a large amount of time , and i every time come to this conclusion that there should be something changed , you can be mad now , but this is my point , if you say that it doesn't need to be changed , we will see in time how many people will change them opinnion and be actually unhappy of what do i point here. Because my mind come up with great ideeas , but the fact those ain't heard or that ain't loved ,doesn't make them bad ideeas , because is not that difficult to make 30 000 000 players to like them ,even if you vote what do you vote here ,what is important is that Riot to understand them and to notice them , if this article would get 51 likes ... ,doesn't make Riot to take the ideea faster... , if it raise -51 likes doesn't mean that my ideea is terrible, is just mean that some players haven't accept it .
Kei143 (NA)
: You've been around long enough to know that you don't get punished for 1 game of ML toxicity after 3 months of average possible with clean behavior, so don't go spewing that nonsense making it sound like a fact. Or are you telling me that after so long, you still haven't learnt your lesson?
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=demfOUju,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-28T18:09:15.260+0000) > > You've been around long enough to know that you don't get punished for 1 game of ML toxicity after 3 months of average possible with clean behavior, so don't go spewing that nonsense making it sound like a fact. > > Or are you telling me that after so long, you still haven't learnt your lesson? Is not about learning leasons , is one to learn leasson ,and other to be stressed and loss your calm capacity to deal with toxic players which flame or troll/grief . Is not you and Riot buisness when i learn my lesson , is not that simple for everyone to say , today i stop , and never get banned again .. , never let anyone to stress me good enought , to make me answer him back and loss my honor level... ,cause is not working like that ,every time you telling yourself something you have no capacity to do , you just lie yourself , and if you do not have capacity to tolerate sometimes some kind of toxic behaviour , then i don't think there should be a problem for Riot... , to keep the track of the 3 months or x months that player stayed chill ,so when the player achive the amount of months he had to stay positive for a punishment reset , the punishment level to get reseted or decreased according to that. ML ?, i been for a long time into this game ,and i got punishments for 1 game. No i haven't learn any leasson , i am totally okey now i can use chat without to get angry ,as i used to do in past , but i become a person which i hated to play with in the past , in the sense i become that useless kind of 0 player who don't play same as me and want to loss .. , i become one of that and i am perfectly fine , i leave others to stress themself, i stress so much myself to do my best to make this game better ,and the result was that every time i got !$!$k so i will no longer stress ,neither stress to improve ,neither stress to win , neither stress to play normal or good ,or extremly good , because there is no sense , i mean all bad gameplay have excuses , so my excuses is that i no want to play to win ... , because if i would play to win i would consume myself to tolerate hundreds of toxic flame cases for me that i don't carry , or toxic flame regarding my advices normal delivered to players who do mistakes and makes me loss games... , i will not consume myself if someone troll/grief me . In fact the only thingh i would wish to do is to stop from using report system ,but i am kind of addicted to ruin others accounts when they get angry playing side by side with me in team , and this is because , i been treat same when i was a player who cared about this game , a player who played his best to win games , people were indifferent , doing mistakes over mistakes , making me angry and lossing games ,refusing to do what is right ... , so i refuse to do what is right , there are no consequences for me as player... , because Riot have no capacity to do what is right too , and if Riot have no capacity to do what is right to do ,then why i should play and do what is right to do , why i should consume myself to get chat restrictions , or why i should ever again consume myself to be a good person ,when they did so much worse to me that i become what i am now , i never been that kind of player who would do that even if someone flames , i wasn't even standing afk even if someone would stress me extremly high and much more... , i been with good and bad moments kind of an exemple player into this game , i haven't been perfect , no one can be , and if i haven't been accepted like that , i will sell a fake image of a perfect player , because for Riot the player who never talks ugly and play as he wish is the perfect player picture . So is kind of easy to understand why my IQ , overhelm Riot capacity. If i would get normal rights as a good player , i will be a good player ,if i get shit rights even if i am a good player ,even if i do my best to be kind of decent in the way i talking , then i will not consume myself to be a good player , is simple , i can handle very simple my games , i can win and loss as i wish , because i am that old to know everything about this game.. , If i would work for Riot , i would have so much to learn them ,but unlucky for them , they have no people with problems in them team... , they all perfect players ,who don't play often this game ,who never had chat issues to experience them own punishment system , which never analys how banned players feel like . Have Riot maded a survey to ask banned players what kind of issues they had ??? , why they succed to be permanent banned ? , what would they add to it... , and what could be different or helping them to be less toxic , no , i haven't seen those people opinnion to mather. In fact every permanent banned player opinnion not even mather when they even discuss them cases and chat logs... ,they just get ignored and denyed by Riot , so that's very mature... , they can't handle to discuss thinghs , they don't feel like they should acting mature and discuss problems . The only thing they discuss is automatic answers ,and automatic answers... ,while after 6-7 replyes they realise that they answer something else throught them automatic system.
Rioter Comments
Pika Fox (NA)
: Their actions are irrelevant, your actions are the only ones that matter for your punishment. Given you were permad, this is not your first rodeo.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OPFfPY2u,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-10-28T00:03:05.723+0000) > > Their actions are irrelevant, your actions are the only ones that matter for your punishment. Given you were permad, this is not your first rodeo. you are funny ... , you don't know that you receive stronger punishments , even if you have 3 months of reformed behaviour without negativity , so do you asume that this guy really deserves to be permanent banned knowing this ??? , i tell you i haven't test... ,but you would need more than 5-6 months to reset your punishment level(because there is not a decreasing toxic level system to do that) ,which acording to what you say there , is kind of much to wait for having a chance to decrease your toxic level + if you get punished after 3-4 months , you again have to begin from 0 months to stay 6 months clean and don't be negative at all ,considering there are many reasons you can just loss your calm ... , there is no point to proof you anything else than the fact this current system abuse punishments and that if you are in the situation to loss your calm every 3+ months after tolerate hundreds of cases of flame and troll/grief against you and others from your game ,then i think is definetly an abuse the current system as it works... , because you do tolerate hundreds of cases of toxicity ,and if you respond after 3 months to 1 guy , you just get your punishment reset chances denyed ,that mean you have to start from 0 and be again 6+ months clean behaviour to reset your punishment level , which in this way , even if you do your best you can get to the situation you can be permanent banned for such cases , even if you don't deserve that because Riot have not implement a pro active system which lowers punishment during the high amounts of positivity and neutral behaviour... .
cvlan (EUW)
: Tons of games very very very unbalanced
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: question
Also as a fact , adc have basic attack damage ... , so his basic attack damage combined with last whispear interact , now take veigar syndra basic attack to interact with void staff and sorcerer shoes
Rioter Comments
Yuumster (NA)
: Riot needs to dish out boxes for s-,s,s+ no matter the champ
The most intresting fact is that ,keys aren't performance restricted , so i don't get why they do chest performance restricted... , it just creates frustration... , i mean is okey we have a grade system , but that for yourself to track how much you played a champion and how good you perform with , is just non sense to make chests drop conditioned of extremly clean gameplay ... . And to force people to play like platinum,diamond players of high ... , when them level may not be that close to them on playing other champions... My opinnion is that it shoulded be changed , so you can benefit 1 key 1 chest... , have none sense to bully your players riot to perform for S grade , they most of time will fall to play a champion they don't know and throw more much than do good plays , even if this ideea stimulate players to play good to take S , that makes non sense because there are hundreds of cases where people try champions they don't play just because the chest is available to be earned if they play it and perform good...
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Rioter Comments
Slythion (NA)
: Is your "." key broken or something?
> [{quoted}](name=Slythion,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AgzbUtKr,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-10-11T02:36:58.322+0000) > > Is your "." key broken or something? if it still works... i don't think so , also i use to close sentences with. But why does it bother you so much the fact that i use ... from reflexes ... i use ... to somehow point a continue action ,which different results , likely a continue storry which i will not entry to talk about in deep , maybe i use it wrong , but i try to refrain from using it that much , i understood is a reflex ,before i was using to place many emoticons towards what i write =)) , and people was getting crazy likely you getting with "..." , is just a common twitch
: You're not alone! I totally get this frustration. Everyone's under the impression that you should desensitize yourself to these things and become dead inside but I believe it's completely normal to be upset when someone says garbage things towards you. You're allowed to be pissed off! I don't usually let people get to me, but when it's multiple games back to back with different people being complete dumpsters to one another, even if it's not directed at me, can get to be a bit much. But I always try to follow the saying " Be the good you want to see in the world. " Also, I find humour to be a good mediator. Offer them freshly squeezed gamer girl bath water.
> [{quoted}](name=Freljnord,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ha48XlIA,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-10-12T06:57:11.506+0000) > > You're not alone! I totally get this frustration. Everyone's under the impression that you should desensitize yourself to these things and become dead inside but I believe it's completely normal to be upset when someone says garbage things towards you. You're allowed to be pissed off! > > I don't usually let people get to me, but when it's multiple games back to back with different people being complete dumpsters to one another, even if it's not directed at me, can get to be a bit much. But I always try to follow the saying " Be the good you want to see in the world. " > > Also, I find humour to be a good mediator. Offer them freshly squeezed gamer girl bath water. if you let negative stuffs to bother you , then you more likely take the insults in serious , to be honest , i seen lot's of flame into this game , so the flame against me dosn't bother me anymore, instead i can tell from experience ,that only when i was less mature , i was leaving the flame to bother me , and i was retaliation back if someone was toxic to me ... , but that's because i grow up as everyone else in my country , and believe me , as long as someone was flaming you of family or something there was retaliation back , sometimes fights ... , yeah lucky for us that we don't have guns legal in our country , at least we used to fight old fashion ;)) . Looking back how funny were those days ... , and how much now the society evolved into my country ,where kids not anymore born and study in a constant bully enviroment , so yeah is pretty f1241 up that i got permanent banned account 4 years ago , but i learned something , i learned to don't let anyone insults , to mather in how do i play this game and how i should treat people . Anyway the intresting thingh ,is that now i regret my past actions as i have a different view of my behaviour ,and i remember about the cave man ,which i used to be back then as i had an impulsive behaviour , but i will never have chance to get back what i lost. So personaly , as i grow up , i understand that the world can be a bitch to you sometimes , but that dosn't mean you should bother ,cause that most likely will land to a conflict , or to a retaliation to his actions.
rujitra (NA)
: Why do you refuse to discuss your thread topic?
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AgzbUtKr,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2019-10-10T15:02:55.036+0000) > > Why do you refuse to discuss your thread topic? i do , i talk about my topic , and present and talk about subjects others refuse , i am not doing topics about how toxic are people , or how much troll is into this game , to take others support with likes for nothing ... , i do a topic about the fact that , we as players ain't get no value in riot eyes ,it dosn't mather what kind of player you are , as long as you break rules you are treated equal , but i understand you must be treat equal when it comes about punishments , but let's be honest 1 guy who stays 3 months clean behaviour and break rules from a very stressful game , dosn't deserve to get a stronger punishment just because that , i understand he must be punished ,but what about if he gets his previous punishment ... , not exactly a further one , so his positive progress isn't ignored... , he already dosn't earn hextech rewards , can't play clash ,loss a lot ... , what's the point of punishing a player harder and harder ,when is not exactly his fault that this game have such behaviour inside ranked games. I do believe Riot dosn't care that you stayed 3 months without hextech rewards... , then after 3 months if you do something negative , you get another 3 months without hextech rewards and a stronger punishment , how that does work in the player interest , i can't lie , in my own opinnion dosn't work in players interest .... , because 3 months is not likely you can flush in the toilet and just say this guy did nothing ,let's punish him harder... . I have all the reasons to believe this is an abuse from Riot because they literally ignore the previous punishment and already push a stronger punishment , that over the facts you have to suffer daily toxic behaviour inside your games , which affects your capacity to be totally calm and chill playing to have fun and win games... , so basically is no one guilty that this game have players who raise toxicity towards you , and as long as most of us will not start toxic behaviour , if we do our best to ignore others toxic behaviour against us , and we have moments of weakness after long amounts of time , that dosn't mean is right to be harder punished , cause you do say some negative stuffs , even if you ain't aggresive towards someone real person , or even if you don't swear and do much in terms of toxicity , you still get punished ,and if you take a stronger punishment even for that ,that does mean Riot literally lossed them purpose , and they no longer understand what means to punish and to analys a player. This will never be alright , never will be something normal , never will be something that motivates people to be better , i honestly take this as an abuse , because as i sayd your qualityes as good player are ignored , you can be most good person over an extend period of time ,and have higher honor level , you get lv 1 honor ... , let's be serious ... , that amount of time you been positive makes you to deserve lv 1 honor ??? , is just created like that , because Riot really hates his honorable players , otherwise ,i will never understand how they can punish a honor lv 3-4-5 with honor lv1 , is non sense action , to punish someone who been extended time honorable ... , punished as someone who was never upper than honor lv 2 . Further more the ranked is full of toxicity , even if the ranked game mode ,gives rewards only to lv 2 honor players ,the lvl requested to play ranked isn't lv 2 + honor , as Riot loves to have toxicity among a competitve game mode , where people tends to be toxic and lower your chances to win ,and stress you more much than if it would be a normal game/aram/tft/any other event game mode.
: You're still blaming everyone else because "they started it." Try some introspection.
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AgzbUtKr,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T12:39:35.362+0000) > > You're still blaming everyone else because "they started it." Try some introspection. is not about who started it , because i told you ,that hundreds of people been toxic towards me across the 3 months ,between my 14 days ban and the time i got permanent banned , and if i was blaming everyone else because they started it , i was in no time banned , but the reason isn't the fact that i tryed to hide myself about who started it , is about the fact that if there wouldn't be any toxicity towards everyone games ,then no one would actually break rules , until they do intentionally start to be toxic towards someone , but this is the catch, i haven't started the toxicity chain , the toxicity starts from itself , starts from autofill system , when riot forces people to play in positions they don't want , where they have no patience , play low ,get angry and then they blame others and go roam even if it can be considered grief , and you will tell me is my fault ... , what exactly is my fault , that he been placed support , and he haven't played all the game support , because he had no patience to play in that role , so he flame me and grief/troll and is perfectly fine... , i am the person who had to suffer an entire game such a person , not just 20 minuts , or 30 ... ,more than that , and if everyone came in to report me , that makes me the one who was toxic , explain very much why this game loss good players , is perfectly normal someone who flame/toxic/grief , gets maybe punished for flame but in about 8 months he never got 14 days ban for that game, assuming it was more than enought for a 14 days ban , or Riot allows people to troll grief 2-3 games in order to ban them 14 days? .There are people who troll/grief not just 2-3 games and never got banned , so what about them , they haven't broke the rules only 2-3 times ,they broke it hundreds of times... , and they still able to play this game and have them accounts , how that makes me confortable to know that i can get for slight negativity ,from Riot opinnion to be permanent banned and when i see troll/griefers ruining games to just watch how they don't even get banned , is that makes me feel better , like i am definetly a huge problem ,because i can refrain from being toxic long amounts of times , and get permanent banned for "slightest negative behaviour" ,and then if i see troll/grief happening and not even getting banned ,is more than accept and normal ... , not even suffer punishments , and hey that's okey , but the fact someone is "slightly negative" into chat , is not anymore okey , yeah ... , there is no doubt that someone who is negative into chat is faster banned than most of the trollers/griefers who break rules without consequences on long terms of time. Because riot have no capacity to actually verify the evidence.
: there is nothing to discuss **YOU WERE TOXIC. YOU INTENTIONALLY RUINED GAMES AND YOU ADMITTED IT!** and now that you finally got caught you are backpedaling like crazy. That's all there is to it.
> [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AgzbUtKr,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T13:10:32.358+0000) > > there is nothing to discuss > > **YOU WERE TOXIC. YOU INTENTIONALLY RUINED GAMES AND YOU ADMITTED IT!** > > and now that you finally got caught you are backpedaling like crazy. That's all there is to it. I honestly don't care about your toxicity towards me , so i will let you hang out with your friends over here.
: And what about all the normal players that have to put up with both you and the other toxic players you complain about? You're clearly not actually reformed, you're just a problem player like all the rest.
> [{quoted}](name=AccurateYeet,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AgzbUtKr,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-10-10T12:43:27.254+0000) > > And what about all the normal players that have to put up with both you and the other toxic players you complain about? You're clearly not actually reformed, you're just a problem player like all the rest. well i can tell you that i am more than ever actually patience ,chill/calm ,as the toxicity of others dosn't anymore bother me , because i have develop a self defence mechanism , a high wall ,which dosn't allow people to break it ,that wall which everyone who want's to be toxic get rejected , in the sense , i don't see flame, i don't feel anyone to flame me , i don't feel concerned that someone troll/grief my games, i don't feel like the win should mather in such cases , and that's all , i did fix my problem , i not even need to mute people ,because i can handle to communicate to them ,even if they been toxic towards me , i do manage to play the game without leaving others to affect in any way my person or my capacity of playing the game to the end , if there are several people who are toxic towards my game , or we do loss , i not running out to surrender, in fact i wish it get longer , because the toxicity dosn't bother me , and that i feel like , i don't care about them toxicity , i can play the game and can take strong enought to actually save the game and win it , and the rest will anyway dosn't mather , if i loss will again no mather , if i win will not that much mather because i develop a strong capacity of staying focused over the further games i wil have to play. But here isn't about exactly if i am toxic or not , if i am reformed or not ,or about complaining about something , is about asking rights for people who do them best to reform , and who fight to stay positive and chill and calm playing this game ,but from various reasons they not succed , not exactly because they woulded be the persons who start conflicts , but instead if they get exposed to much toxicity across a single game , or multiple games , it can affect them capacity to judge and patience/calm across the further games they play.
: no i think i'll stay and post whatever i want bc it's a public forum and what i feel like posting is your direct quotes admitting you are toxic so people dont fall for your blatant LIES and poorly written sob story thread being quoted is here: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/OYdvMX33-perma-ban-for-chat-below-this-company-is-a-complete-joke-1000-acc-gone?comment=00050000000000000000
> [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AgzbUtKr,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T12:56:33.189+0000) > > no i think i'll stay and post whatever i want bc it's a public forum > > and what i feel like posting is your direct quotes admitting you are toxic so people dont fall for your blatant LIES and poorly written sob story > > thread being quoted is here: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/OYdvMX33-perma-ban-for-chat-below-this-company-is-a-complete-joke-1000-acc-gone?comment=00050000000000000000 then you would stay to talk regarding my subject ,without to actually understand what we talking into this subject about. And without to understand that you may not understand what others talking within this subject about.
: > [{quoted}](name=RayleighTT,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AgzbUtKr,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T12:31:43.396+0000) > > Well read all , i one been insulted and pass over insults , passed over them in the sense i had to ignore and to don't say anything back , and you telling me that they should ban me only for the fact i been negative a few games ,and raise punishments for me every 3 months... , or that it literally dosn't mather that 3 months you stayed calm/chill not breaking rules ,while thousand of people been negative towards you , been affecting your games , making your games less fun , stressing you enought but you still had the power to refrain from being negative or toxic in any ways to them , that dosn't means that Riot have to be fair to me ..., that Riot should care about the hundreds of cases i been exposed to toxicity from others ... , that dosn't mather i had to go throught so many cases of toxicity ,without gaining anything back... > > You will say that my rewards is that others get banned, what about the fact that i no want to be flamed or to see toxicity across my games ,what about the fact that i shouldn't be exposed to others toxicity and then when i loss my calm and capacity to stay extremly chill and calm , after a game that some people pushed my patience and calm over my calm/chill limits , in the sense i can be very calm to much toxicity , but when there is someone who does everything to you , how i can deal then with such people ,who break all the rules against me , who do not stop and who push toxic behaviour of any kind the entire game , yeah i can mute them ... , and then what ?? , i should just tell myself be calm , that guy didn't flame you , didn't maded me lost 30 minuts for nothing , didn't maked me angry , didn't affected the reason i came to play this game , to have fun , to play and have fun... , i haven't started to play this game today cause i wanted to be flamed ,but does you understand ?? ,no , you don't so that means Riot shouldn't understand. your suspose to mute them before it tilts you but if you follow my advice you dont get to see them at all
> [{quoted}](name=ExcaliburX,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AgzbUtKr,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-10-10T12:52:57.085+0000) > > your suspose to mute them before it tilts you but if you follow my advice you dont get to see them at all well i already got the account permanent banned , so i don't tend to run about chat communication because someone flames me , how do i know what people tell to me ,or how toxic they been towards me , if i can't see if they keep to be toxic all the game towards me or not. And is not about tilting ... ,i had a guy who broke every rule in the game i got permanent banned ... , reasonable , because i do not want to lower my actions and toxicity because of that ... , i one wouldn't broke at all rules if no one would be toxic into my games ,but does Riot actually will understand that , is easy to say x is toxic , but what if that guy would be perfectly fine into this game , if he wouldn't get that much toxicity assault in that game... , i do see more than Riot tends to see ,because i been throught the multiple cases i feeled like Riot ,on top i have to deal about 3 months with toxicity , then Riot just came in and punish me for a stupid action , and they took my hextech loot rewards ,but that's not the only thingh they took , they let me confused ,because i was no longer understanding , how i can be perfect into this game , how much good i can do , and how it can be literally ignored , and the fact that , how much i woulded try to do my best to change my behaviour and be more positive , actually got screw after long time passed of a reform card, because i wasn't perfect and still had to learn , not how to don't be toxic ... ,i had to learn how to refrain from leaving others to broke my calm/chill , to refrain from answering others toxicity or let others toxicity to bother me... . Riot tell me that i should learn to don't be toxic , what if i learned and the game of himself dosn't leave me to play it in silent and to have fun ,because every time someone starts to be toxic or to troll/grief , or if someone plays bad ,others start to be toxic towards him , then towards others... . How much i tryed in past to ignore toxicity , i was doing all of it wrong , i just didn't had to ignore toxicity , i just had to take it into face, to handle it and say "f545 this game toxicity" , i don't need to bother about toxicity , i no longer care who ever what do , and yeah i got good results ,likely 11-12 months of clean behaviour. Which is definetly enought for me to be a style of playing this game.
: > [{quoted}](name=RayleighTT,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AgzbUtKr,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-10T12:15:05.698+0000) > > So i will start to talk to you , about a case of mine , i had 14 days ban like 1 year 3 months ago ... , then i stayed 3 months out of any toxic behaviour ,seeing daily ,and fighting daily with toxic behaviour around , in the sense i had to ignore , everyone who were toxic against me , everyone who was troll/grief , to refrain from giving advices to people who play bad , to refrain on stressing myself cause i loss ranked games for no reasons . > not reading that whole thing but from the first paragraph you are **FULL OF IT!** **COMPLETE LIAR** you are a toxic player and I'm glad it finally caught up to you, remember this? > [{quoted}](name=RayleighTT,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OYdvMX33,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-10-07T02:13:14.140+0000) > > haha , i disagree the fact you care about who breaking rules ,when thousands of players troll/grief and not even get banned , but let's close the eyes , cause you try to do your best into applying rules =)) ,what a joke .... ... , idk if you know or not , but riot actions have consequences too , not only normal players will suffer from your punishments , **a case of low toxicity permanent banned raised me to fight with your justice system , and i do my own justice , playing your game as crap as possible** , and i am sorry to inform you ,but i do experience how is to push stupid plays ,and is more likely riot close them eyes , and say oh is perfectly normal , i mean well , if you close your eyes it must be normal , if the troll/grief is something that riot isn't bothered to ban , then well is normal , and i do behaving as normal as possible ,if you understand what i mean =)) , i tell you chances for me to get banned for troll/grief or anything else than chat toxicity , are under 0,5% , while the chances for me to get punishment for being a bit negative into chat are of 99.5% , so that's likely to work , only toxicity is not accepted into this game ,troll/grief is something that everyone should do , even passive shit gameplay is encourage as hell you are toxic as hell. oh and i suppose you should have guessed higher with your numbers huh? i wonder who submitted it...{{sticker:katarina-love}}
> [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AgzbUtKr,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-10T12:25:39.868+0000) > > not reading that whole thing but from the first paragraph you are **FULL OF IT!** **COMPLETE LIAR** > > you are a toxic player and I'm glad it finally caught up to you, remember this? > > you are toxic as hell. > > > oh and i suppose you should have guessed higher with your numbers huh? > i wonder who submitted it...{{sticker:katarina-love}} if you don't want to read then don't read , but at least then don't insult me... , only because i am a stranger to you ,dosn't mean you have the right to place a tag over my person . I will not even feel bothered to explain you anything else or to give you an answer to what you claim about me , so you can leave in peace and not come back into this topic to be toxic towards me.
: Bro, MUTE ALL. MUTE ALL MUTE ALL. LEGIT ONE BUTTON TO SAVE YOUR ACCOUNT AND LOT OF PLAYERS LIKE YOUR SELF. ITS NOT HARD. GO TO OPTION AND MAKE SURE ALL CHAT DOESNT SHOW AT ALL. What is the point of having chat visiable to you if ALL it does is have a negative impact to YOU. Turn that shit off and play the game. Is someone spamming the ping? GOOD NEWS! You can mute their PINGS! OMGAWD. Your serious>? Not only can you mute all chat but you can also mute their pings? MY GAWD thats AMAZING! Could you imagine people utiltzing such a cool feature that could save my account from being ban because it prevents me from being toxic? Holy Moses! Mute All.
> [{quoted}](name=ExcaliburX,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AgzbUtKr,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-10T12:26:33.611+0000) > > Bro, MUTE ALL. MUTE ALL MUTE ALL. > > LEGIT ONE BUTTON TO SAVE YOUR ACCOUNT AND LOT OF PLAYERS LIKE YOUR SELF. ITS NOT HARD. GO TO OPTION AND MAKE SURE ALL CHAT DOESNT SHOW AT ALL. > > What is the point of having chat visiable to you if ALL it does is have a negative impact to YOU. Turn that shit off and play the game. Is someone spamming the ping? GOOD NEWS! You can mute their PINGS! OMGAWD. Your serious>? Not only can you mute all chat but you can also mute their pings? MY GAWD thats AMAZING! Could you imagine people utiltzing such a cool feature that could save my account from being ban because it prevents me from being toxic? Holy Moses! > > Mute All. mute all ,mute all , i can mute all , because the most stressing toxicity ,never gets banned ,that troll/grief dosn't even get detected ... , i got permanent banned for slight negativity ,but the troll/griefer flamer not even got 14 days ban for griefing/trolling , so what's the point .. , what did i exactly winned throught the fact i got a lv 167 account banned permanent ,or punished several times where Riot actually didn't care that i had to deal with toxicity and support and stay calm/chill across not just a few cases of toxicity against me , of hundreds of toxicity across the games i played , i had honor lv 1 when i got permanent banned ,3 months of clean behaviour , of seeing toxic over toxic behaviour across my games ,and i swear to you , if you would see a guy who flames you , then roam to play mid all the game , leaving you to play 1 vs 2 bot , then trolling you with actions... ,i tell you that such cases can't help you to stay calm , even if you do your best... , and i have a strong behaviour in the sense , i can suffer much toxicity ,very much... and i don't say anything , and what ever i sayd was slight negative , but yeah the point is here , i can be flamed ,everyone can be toxic against me as much as they want , and if i do not handle to stay 100% calm because someone is extremly toxic towards my games , i have to suffer punishments , is perfectly normal to be flamed, to pass throught hundreds of toxic games ,and then to suffer punishments after long amount of times you did your best to ignore toxicity , to suffer punishments and loss more and more and more , than you ever winned playing this game... , i don't like to loss , i don't like to loss my time to be flamed, to see someone who troll/grief into my games, i don't like to loss my few time lossed to play this game , because my account gets banned for no reasons , i haven't in my opinnion insult anyone in such a way that i woulded deserve to be punished upper and upper , and then even permanent banned , so is literally beyond my powers to actually be proud now that , i took my level of calm and chill , like to lv 1000 in the sense almost nothing can make me to be toxic into chat , almost nothing , but that dosn't help me to take my account back , or the time i lossed into that account. And i say almost nothing ,because you never know how much toxicity you can meet and deal in a single game , you never can be sure that there isn't a game which will broke your capacity to stay calm/chill playing this game , because so much unknown ,you haven't dealt with , you will never be sure that you can stay calm/chill, but i am definetly sure that i can now be more tolerate across multiple games a day of toxic behaviour , even of high toxic games... , i did build a wall across me and anything i could feel and not tolerate , and that because i no want anymore to involve into any conversations... , if you understand what i mean ,but the communication is important , so i can't just close my chat and pretend that i no need to communicate and team work ... , and even throught that , i not even need anymore to mute anyone , because i develop a strong capacity to don't see the toxicity ,only to notice it , in the way i can push report button , and explain everything , like i not even been in that game , in a way ,that isn't my storry .
: > how much Riot cares about being fair to the players they ban ... , they just don't care about you , they don't care at all about your good qualityes , they just punish you for few games you can be toxic Whoa, whoa. Stop right there. Like full stop. Fuller of a stop than you've ever stopped before. When Riot bans someone who can't control themselves, their goal isn't to be "fair" to the person they ban, it's to be "fair" to the rest of us who just want to play a video game and have a good time **without** having to deal with people who can't control themselves. You did NOT get banned for a "few" games. You got banned for a consistent pattern of bad behavior, proceeding through several different punishment levels, and an inability to reform. You are not special. None of us are special. Play by the rules and have fun. Break the rules and get punished. It's not hard.
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AgzbUtKr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-10T12:17:49.854+0000) > > Whoa, whoa. Stop right there. Like full stop. Fuller of a stop than you've ever stopped before. > > When Riot bans someone who can't control themselves, their goal isn't to be "fair" to the person they ban, it's to be "fair" to the rest of us who just want to play a video game and have a good time **without** having to deal with people who can't control themselves. > > You did NOT get banned for a "few" games. You got banned for a consistent pattern of bad behavior, proceeding through several different punishment levels, and an inability to reform. > > You are not special. None of us are special. Play by the rules and have fun. Break the rules and get punished. It's not hard. Well read all , i one been insulted and pass over insults , passed over them in the sense i had to ignore and to don't say anything back , and you telling me that they should ban me only for the fact i been negative a few games ,and raise punishments for me every 3 months... , or that it literally dosn't mather that 3 months you stayed calm/chill not breaking rules ,while thousand of people been negative towards you , been affecting your games , making your games less fun , stressing you enought but you still had the power to refrain from being negative or toxic in any ways to them , that dosn't means that Riot have to be fair to me ..., that Riot should care about the hundreds of cases i been exposed to toxicity from others ... , that dosn't mather i had to go throught so many cases of toxicity ,without gaining anything back... You will say that my rewards is that others get banned, what about the fact that i no want to be flamed or to see toxicity across my games ,what about the fact that i shouldn't be exposed to others toxicity and then when i loss my calm and capacity to stay extremly chill and calm , after a game that some people pushed my patience and calm over my calm/chill limits , in the sense i can be very calm to much toxicity , but when there is someone who does everything to you , how i can deal then with such people ,who break all the rules against me , who do not stop and who push toxic behaviour of any kind the entire game , yeah i can mute them ... , and then what ?? , i should just tell myself be calm , that guy didn't flame you , didn't maded me lost 30 minuts for nothing , didn't maked me angry , didn't affected the reason i came to play this game , to have fun , to play and have fun... , i haven't started to play this game today cause i wanted to be flamed ,but does you understand ?? ,no , you don't so that means Riot shouldn't understand.
: Your privacy ... in a public environment? If you have some private shit to talk about, use /w. Wtf
> [{quoted}](name=Bettnachleger,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dI1MAjiM,comment-id=00190000,timestamp=2019-10-09T11:24:10.521+0000) > > Your privacy ... in a public environment? > If you have some private shit to talk about, use /w. > Wtf i don't have any other form of communication ... , if i do say something , for exemple someone ask me thinghs and being friendly , and riot records my personal conversation , and then stock it into them servers.... , i should literally know . How you can be sure Riot deletes your chat logs ,even if you haven't broke rules , do you know what happens with your chat logs after games end , where do they stay ,if riot deletes them right away after they no longer need them , so basically , you are extremly okey with the fact that they collect data about you , you could talk about elections ,or about something else ,and they could sell your data ... If facebook have data leaks , how i can be sure that a smaller company than facebook ,can't have leaks , or that they can't sort and sell informations about people.. Before , every chat log was into your folder , well , i do think that the chat logs should be holded into Your Riot folder and crypted and protected for not modify them... , so you are able to see your chat logs are there , and that they get deleted by riot , after a while.. , and of course to be crypted in the sense you can't delete them or move , transparency , everyone conversations should be hold in a transparency enviroment
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Lost R (NA)
: First Amendment rights don't protect you from privately owned companies.
I have 1 question only ,what happens with our messages ,after let's say that a games end , someone report , and is a false report ... , do you delete them or keep them and sell our conversations data... ,because i personally wouldn't like you to sell what ever i do talk to somebody else.... , cause yeah privacy rights. How i can control ,my conversations informations... , how i can be sure you delete it ..., because old recording chat in text ..., was staying on our computers without to be deleted... , just if we were somehow deciding to do that.. . I feel like there is privacy broken , as you follow our conversations and record them.
Tele II (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RayleighTT,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=39dpEvME,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-07T01:54:39.315+0000) > > well ,where ever they are , but i don't want them into ranked games , is more likely to work ,as anyway they maded it clear , no ranked rewards for who is under honor lv2 , so no ranked mode for who is honor lv 2 sounds great , well actually this would give anyone strength to don't push toxic behaviour at all , even if someone plays bad , or flames them , or troll/grief , they would stay focused on them game , would have to learn to be patience , and be happy they will not see that guy time of 3 months again into ranked gameplay ... , is perfectly what mathers... > > Cause he is toxic in ranked or normal games, is still toxicity ... , but in ranked the toxicity mathers as it creates unpleasure moments and rise the toxicity upper and behaviour in the sense that people tend to flame and to learn to flame from others ,so if such behaviour wouldn't be shared that often ranked ,then it would be a win-win situation , as people would finally have more quality behaving teams , more funny games to play. > > Toxicity is very ofteen meeted already in ranked... , in my own opinnion , if it happens in normal games/aram /TT or any other mode , there dosn't mather as much ,but riot will still punish it ,as it is against the ToS , so that creates new oportunitys for who abtain from pushing toxic behaviour back , or starting conflicts to have strength to play normal when playing ranked etc.... > > People will have reasons to don't push further toxic behaviour , as they would have to get back to honor lv2 to play ranked again ... ,so a reason +++ to stop from being toxic , believe me , this ideea is beyond my weight in gold worthing a try... , is just simple and requires people to learn to communicate and behave nice. I feel like youre just saying things to make your idea sound better, but have no real logic behind them. Combined with the poor grammar (no offense, good on you for learning english, I wish i knew more than one language), I cant really tell what your points are, sorry. But many players dont even play ranked so it wouldnt encourage them, and it would push the undesirables from ranked, into unranked. Its practically punishing unranked players by bringing a flood of undesirables into that mode. So instead of pushing them all into one game mode, they push them out of the community altogether.
> [{quoted}](name=Tele II,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=39dpEvME,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-10-07T22:58:26.234+0000) > > I feel like youre just saying things to make your idea sound better, but have no real logic behind them. Combined with the poor grammar (no offense, good on you for learning english, I wish i knew more than one language), I cant really tell what your points are, sorry. > But many players dont even play ranked so it wouldnt encourage them, and it would push the undesirables from ranked, into unranked. Its practically punishing unranked players by bringing a flood of undesirables into that mode. So instead of pushing them all into one game mode, they push them out of the community altogether. you mistaken , you ain't accepting this as a solution , because you refuse to see the problem... , ranked players who are aggresive into chat/troll/grief should be quarantine keeped , same as your antivirus find corrupted files and protect your system... ,same would be the game... , only because they move from playing ranked into playing normal games ,dosn't mean that they will be more toxic people , or that they will push to be toxic, because i explained you ,that they would work to get back to honor lv 2 to play ranked , and beside that ,there are still rules who are applied same as are apply into ranked... , so if they flame into a normal game dosn't mather , if they flame in ranked for you dosn't mather ,but for me does... , because someone who flame x... ,that x guy refuse to play serious ,troll/grief, or can refuse to help the player y who flamed him.. , much more deep toxicity than you can see.. , the impact of toxicity on winning/lossing ranked games is relevant and really mathers what kind of team and how they behave ranked... , is simple in my opinnion. If you don't consider it like that ,look me as a player from season 2 , i think my ideea actually brings contrast between what means to be a good player and behaving nice ,and having acces to play ranked ... , while i consider that being toxic/griefing/trolling already sends the message you don't want to play ranked to win games , and that means i no want to consume myself to see someone who is toxic into any further ranked games ,until they changed them behaviour and can keep it like that. If you would give a chance to it ,maybe others will eventually like it ,and you will be part of something what changed the game ,as you aproved my ideea.. , and i honestly think is really important this to be right away implemented as soon as it is possible , think about clash , the clash mode already requires you to be honor lv 2, so why ranked isn't same ...
: Conflicted and afraid of losing account.
If you feel you ain't prepared or good enought ,there is a trainment map ,where you can train and play few heroes , farm and play among that with bots alone ..., then you can take what is good and put it into normal drafts SR , there are custom lobby games , where you can play custom games against other players... etc... The point is to chose a hero you can master and play very efficient , then extend and learn multiple heroes , in cases you are placed support or any other role autofill ,so you master a hero step by step , learning to farm efficient with it , builds ,runes which are best for him , then you have to think about what kind of hero is what you play ,weak and strong points of it , where he is weak and what you should avoid to do , then you figure out summoner spells using them efficient ,then the way you control your advantage ,if you killed enemy , to don't give enemy extra gold from being too good for nothing , measuring your damage ,when it comes about aggresive plays ,and much more , i know is a complex game ,and it my sound difficult to get in line with those for start , but you will get in line with all of those values , if you take them 1 by 1 and learn them.
Hotarµ (NA)
: So right off the bat, you will **never** be banned for underperforming. As long as you're genuinely trying you have absolutely nothing to worry about and you can play for as long as you'd like without the risk of punishment, regardless of what people say to you. False reports and mass-reporting have no effect, so you're completely safe. If you're looking to start playing PvP games, I'd suggest playing with friends or premades. They'll be more understanding and will try to teach you (or learn alongside you.) Some great places to check are: - The [**League of Legends Discord**](https://discordapp.com/invite/leagueoflegends) - The [**LeagueConnect**](https://www.reddit.com/r/LeagueConnect/) subreddit - The [**Recruitment**](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/looking-for-player/eZcWVFF2-player-recruitment) board on this website (although this is usually more for ranked play) Hell, if you're just looking to play casually, my friends and I usually party up for normal blinds/drafts. If you want to join us, let me know :p Either way, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Everyone had to start somewhere and everyone has room to improve, don't let toxic players discourage you. If it's getting really bad just mute them and/or the chat feature in the settings menu. Keep your head up and you'll be fine. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qzamlnYQ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-10-06T04:21:40.392+0000) > > So right off the bat, you will **never** be banned for underperforming. > > > {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} that's the point why i underperfoming intentionally =)) , riot dosn't punish it. No fears ,no consequences , nothing to make you stop from underperforming ,so that's the normal ,everyone can ^%^#K in this game and nothing will happen , lovely in my opinnion.
SPCGLDR (NA)
: Getting muted for 10 games after being held hostage for 30 minutes
10 games chat restriction for the way he behave ,what a good ideea , he definetly need only 10... , serious riot ,there are people who not even curse and take same punishment. After your second reply to ticket , i woulded rise it already to 25 games restriction , well , i not even swear and i got slowly permanent banned ,but you sir got angry and swear your allies , so idk how riot rise punishments so hard.
doXed2HP (NA)
: perma ban for chat below. this company is a complete joke, $1,000 acc gone
Your Content Has Been Removed From: Riot Games This message was sent by Periscope (NA) on behalf of the NA Boards Moderation Team: Hey RayleighTT, Refrain from encouraging others to break in-game rules. Your removed content: Well i don't encourage them to break rules , i just tell them to play normal , and the normal into this game means to break rules without consequences... , so rather than taking of what i say ,how it comes not a single Rioter is concerned to actually fix the issue .. , rather than stop it spread throught talking... , i do tell people to break rules responsable ,is the best i can do ,as long as Riot dosn't care for the thousands games ruined by troll/grief players among 6-7 years of playing this game , and hundreds of games which such people stressed others. I do have the freedom to say anything i feel that people should know , explain me now ,how do you know that it wasn't a dark humour about your justice system ,what i writed and not directly an encouraging action... . "troll/grief/wintrade isn't against rules ,do that when someone insults ,or play trash , is just simple , they will take 140 years to find you for breaking the rules , if you do it right ..." and this dosn't look like encouraging someone to break rules ,is just showing ,the fact that only chat behaviour is relevant for Rioters, the amount of troll/grief isn't a concern of rioters job and resources.
Ulanopo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=lalopo1,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OYdvMX33,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-10-06T19:09:03.584+0000) > > Chat is not enough for me to permaban somebody, give me replay, win rate, elo, how many time have the players played their champs. > First timing is negative. > Trolling is negative. > Having a negative winrate (for example 40%) you guessed it negative. Those are all opinions you can have. A bunch of us disagree, though.
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OYdvMX33,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-10-06T21:40:59.176+0000) > > Those are all opinions you can have. A bunch of us disagree, though. haha , i disagree the fact you care about who breaking rules ,when thousands of players troll/grief and not even get banned , but let's close the eyes , cause you try to do your best into applying rules =)) ,what a joke .... ... , idk if you know or not , but riot actions have consequences too , not only normal players will suffer from your punishments , a case of low toxicity permanent banned raised me to fight with your justice system , and i do my own justice , playing your game as crap as possible , and i am sorry to inform you ,but i do experience how is to push stupid plays ,and is more likely riot close them eyes , and say oh is perfectly normal , i mean well , if you close your eyes it must be normal , if the troll/grief is something that riot isn't bothered to ban , then well is normal , and i do behaving as normal as possible ,if you understand what i mean =)) , i tell you chances for me to get banned for troll/grief or anything else than chat toxicity , are under 0,5% , while the chances for me to get punishment for being a bit negative into chat are of 99.5% , so that's likely to work , only toxicity is not accepted into this game ,troll/grief is something that everyone should do , even passive shit gameplay is encourage as hell
: You can report them for **Intentionally Feeding**, and write in the note box that you believe they were intentionally ignoring (specifically, not levelling) one of their abilities to detrimental ends.
> [{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HTHa0wBG,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-10-07T01:37:51.301+0000) > > You can report them for **Intentionally Feeding**, and write in the note box that you believe they were intentionally ignoring (specifically, not levelling) one of their abilities to detrimental ends. that sound sad. I accuse you that you haven't upgrade your w... Is just funny .
Tele II (NA)
: Idk man, sounds like it would just push the people you dont want, into normals. Riot's gotta think about what is healthy for the game, not just what is healthy for ranked. I doubt they would do this.
> [{quoted}](name=Tele II,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=39dpEvME,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-03T00:40:17.256+0000) > > Idk man, sounds like it would just push the people you dont want, into normals. Riot's gotta think about what is healthy for the game, not just what is healthy for ranked. I doubt they would do this. well ,where ever they are , but i don't want them into ranked games , is more likely to work ,as anyway they maded it clear , no ranked rewards for who is under honor lv2 , so no ranked mode for who is honor lv 2 sounds great , well actually this would give anyone strength to don't push toxic behaviour at all , even if someone plays bad , or flames them , or troll/grief , they would stay focused on them game , would have to learn to be patience , and be happy they will not see that guy time of 3 months again into ranked gameplay ... , is perfectly what mathers... Cause he is toxic in ranked or normal games, is still toxicity ... , but in ranked the toxicity mathers as it creates unpleasure moments and rise the toxicity upper and behaviour in the sense that people tend to flame and to learn to flame from others ,so if such behaviour wouldn't be shared that often ranked ,then it would be a win-win situation , as people would finally have more quality behaving teams , more funny games to play. Toxicity is very ofteen meeted already in ranked... , in my own opinnion , if it happens in normal games/aram /TT or any other mode , there dosn't mather as much ,but riot will still punish it ,as it is against the ToS , so that creates new oportunitys for who abtain from pushing toxic behaviour back , or starting conflicts to have strength to play normal when playing ranked etc.... People will have reasons to don't push further toxic behaviour , as they would have to get back to honor lv2 to play ranked again ... ,so a reason +++ to stop from being toxic , believe me , this ideea is beyond my weight in gold worthing a try... , is just simple and requires people to learn to communicate and behave nice.
Ulanopo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=39dpEvME,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-29T22:19:59.229+0000) > > "You have to play normals for 3 months" is only a punishment to people who play normals and aren't toxic asshats. Pretty much this. The point isn't to move toxicity from one place to another. It's to get people to stop being toxic altogether.
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=39dpEvME,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-09-29T23:09:28.644+0000) > > Pretty much this. The point isn't to move toxicity from one place to another. It's to get people to stop being toxic altogether. Well eune/euw board see it a great ideea , and is not about hiding the problems ,is about keeping order at least where it mathers ... ,ranked should never suffer from toxicity problems , is one of the most important thingh that we should all agree over.
: "You have to play normals for 3 months" is only a punishment to people who play normals and aren't toxic asshats.
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=39dpEvME,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-29T22:19:59.229+0000) > > "You have to play normals for 3 months" is only a punishment to people who play normals and aren't toxic asshats. well ,is a punishment for ones who take a game too competitive in ranked mode , most of the time people tend to be aggresive/toxic when they loss , as the outcome of the loss is demoting or wasting time and progress of getting on the position and spot you want to get.
Whooppy (NA)
: Problem is in on-line game or internet in general there is no real life consequence for braking rules and regulations. That's why most people don't care even if they get banned. They can just create another account and continue.
> [{quoted}](name=Whooppy,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=d8HfVxpW,comment-id=0013000100020001,timestamp=2019-09-29T20:30:27.473+0000) > > Problem is in on-line game or internet in general there is no real life consequence for braking rules and regulations. That's why most people don't care even if they get banned. They can just create another account and continue. yeah + you never know what kind of people you get into your games , you play ranked ,and you can receive someone who is honor lv 1 or 0 to play with ranked ,and you stressinf yourself to talk with him ... , or he creates that enviroment you are lossing your patience listening to what he say... , i think that's the main problem because the ranked should be only lv 2 or upper in honor level to be able to play ranked ,in that way ,people would actualy start to care , as they will not be able to play 3 months or 6 months ranked ,which is a huge amount of time , you can be restricted to be offensive and affect gameplay into games where the outcome of a game mathers (win or loss mathers) , so basically you have to care more about running normal behaviour than of running to be toxic ,because you eventualy would wake up again into not being able to play ranked 3 months or 6 months again... . If you are toxic and get 5 games restriction lv 1 honor ,you play some games on normal and if you in that 3 months missbehave and get to lv 0 ,unlucky you will be likely 6 months away of ranked ... , so that's what set the price , does it worth to be toxic for lossing a game or not.
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