: > [{quoted}](name=RealDeagleImpact,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HHUzhxkM,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-20T09:03:40.896+0000) > > 1) Thats Masters kit so you cant rly do something about that > > 2) You know what is the diference? Lee can still be cought mid W on ward, Kata warps to target , making it kinda unfair and Kata used ward warp for escape only > > 3) If you are under turret he can jump over only 1 wall, I also consider stupid > > 4) Look at map when he breaks a ward, look around map pretty much all time and expect ppl to be in bushes 1) Nerf or rework to balance, easy. 2) Untrue. A good Kat used it to kill her enemy. And lee uses it for escape and has lower cd on his w than Kat ever had on e. And at the moment you can kill Kat mid shunpo as her hitbox stays behind for 1 second. 3) Rework or remove that skill. Easy. Wall jump a dash and a stealth is way too safe. 4)I cant throw my whole game for 1 champion and I cant just stress myself cause of his lack of balance. A game is for fun, not stress.
1) Rework master to a point where he becomes like a second Morde? Like god damn, Morde is anyways so lost since his release by riot trying to make an off meta champion that can go bottom, but that failed, leaving Morde being one of the weakest champion, having alot of counterpicks. And if you say Morde does alot of damage , you are right, but that is because somebody was so stupid that they let him get a lead to a point where he can 1v2 easily. 2)ward warp leaves Kat with no more E, so only dmg is Q Gunblade and R with a small portion of it, so it would be more of a kill securer, and ppl using it 98% for running from ganks, and 2% to secure a kill 3)So you rather have the old Talon who used to be next to you in less then a second , not dashing , warping and being able to use his kit the same way he is already used? 4) They are assasins, if they "balanced" then he wont be an assasin, be will be more useless then a feeding Morde, because Morde can atleast still output some dmg because of Morde tankyness
: > [{quoted}](name=RealDeagleImpact,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HHUzhxkM,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-19T19:01:57.357+0000) > > Do you know what true dmg is? True dmg doesnt give a shit if you have any kind of resistence > > Because he lost a combo pretty much, the Q into jump with Q, W , ward down , E to ward , R out of turret > Kata can still warp to allies and enemys, making her ward warp kinda stupid because she can do risky plays without being punished rly. > > 160 sec cd on that object that he jumped over. > > You know, there is an stat called armor in this game, you should use it, its pretty useful for not getting 1 shot by ad assasins like Kayn > And you can also have wards placed 1) That's what i mean about Yi. True dmg is 0 counterplay. 2) Lee can W on his allies too. He can Q on his enemies. His ward jump is literally the same use as Katarina's ward jump. Please speak about risk and stupid more. 3) There's 100 walls, 160 sec CD on 1 isnt an issue. 4) He does that when I have zhonya which is armor, if I build only armor the nthere's no point to play, cause 0 AP and 100 armor items on kat is useless. Do you even logic? And Kayn counters wards.
1) Thats Masters kit so you cant rly do something about that 2) You know what is the diference? Lee can still be cought mid W on ward, Kata warps to target , making it kinda unfair and Kata used ward warp for escape only 3) If you are under turret he can jump over only 1 wall, I also consider stupid 4) Look at map when he breaks a ward, look around map pretty much all time and expect ppl to be in bushes
Lakrosin (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RealDeagleImpact,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kumyYWcK,comment-id=00010000000000010000,timestamp=2018-03-19T19:20:35.125+0000) > > So easy to tell that you didnt play Morde at all. Nope I played morde. His potential is wasted solo lane. Looks like you didn't. Don't need to read the rest because your just trying to pick a fight that isn't winnable.
Actually played him in the last 3 days and quite getting the hang of him, too bad he has alot of bad matchups https://youtu.be/oO_UMI06xLg 3:34 Morde 101
Lakrosin (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RealDeagleImpact,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kumyYWcK,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-03-18T20:37:19.075+0000) > > They didnt make him to be on bottom if you are not aware of his history All I know is his passive and abilities kinda require an intelligent being with him. "Coats an ally in magnetic metal, increasing each unit's movement speed toward one another. While near one another, the metal swirls violently dealing damage per second to enemies." And the passive requires an ally champion. Kinda pointless solo in lane phase. "Passive: Mordekaiser gains bonus experience for killing minions near allied champions." Also he kinda has a lot of hp and armor to make up for that. It's not like you can't have a damaging support who also pokes. And relic shield to help the support in turn. {{champion:63}}{{champion:9}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:143}} https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/champions/Mordekaiser/ You may not like it, but just because he's not working doesn't mean another similar structured class like him couldn't.
> "Coats an ally in magnetic metal, increasing each unit's movement speed toward one another. While near one another, the metal swirls violently dealing damage per second to enemies." > And the passive requires an ally champion. Kinda pointless solo in lane phase. So easy to tell that you didnt play Morde at all. Morde passive is dealing dmg to enemys gives him a 25% shield, 12.5% for minions, and capping at 25% max health and lowering after 1.5 sec to 6.25% What you said there bud was the W, which doesnt need an champion, it needs an ally of any sort, and still works without one. How W works in laning phase is(btw, you max W) you W a melee minion, walk up to the enemy caster minions, hit the melee minions once, and let W self-proc, killing the wave, leaving the casters low and later one your wave clear is actually power. Morde's poke is good only against melee champions because his E has a really small area of effect. > Kinda pointless solo in lane phase. Morde is one of those types of champions who is too strong in trades, sadly he has bad matchups. What makes him so strong is 2 things: 1. His dmg output in melee is insane, dealing pretty much 40% atleast with all Q hits, E dealing dmg aswell, more for poke tho and W 2. W is actually is what makes this champion so special. Usually after a trade , champions lose HP. Morde gains HP, because W recast steals HP
heroikc (NA)
: And I'm not an ADC, Yas, or Jax main. The only ones from your list I agree with are: -{{champion:67}} do something about those silver bolts, stealth and ult. -{{champion:14}} the yell is enough without the uber slow/Arcane Comet. -{{champion:79}} He just doesn't feel strong now...though that may be his more skill dependent set. -{{champion:51}} traps should be more vulnerable.
{{champion:51}} You can sidewalk those god damn traps {{champion:79}} Alot of CC and more hard CC, making him better for teamfight because he can split enemy team {{champion:67}} So make the champion pretty much not the champion, silver bolts are there because the design is to be able to kill easly enough a tank, stealth , i guess you mean removing it, it will make her ultimate useless, because that stealth give oportunity to reposition, ult already got nerfed,and removing the ms she gets will make her more useless then {{champion:42}} in the adc role
: > [{quoted}](name=RealDeagleImpact,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HHUzhxkM,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-03-18T20:30:38.900+0000) > > Lee lost a big part of his kit, the ward hop is less frequent with no green smite, so they have to bring him back. > Yi gets outclassed by jungles lately, him being more of a snowballer type of champion, needing a lead, prob with that is that lead has to be large > Kayn can be easly eliminated with CC because he has to go deep for kills > Talon . Today Yi gave me 2500 true dmg in 4 seconds. I was playing alistar with 300 armor and ult on. Tell me how he's outclassed... Literally snowballing nearly all his games and ending always 10+ kills... Lee can go to h*ll. Katarina lost ward hope, nobody cared. Lee cna literally Q Q R me at level 6 with 0 items and Q Q basic attack pre 6. Maybe if Lee players learned to play they'd deserve more ward hops... And Kayn gives 0 about CC. He can literally OS you b4 you can even react. Especialyl blue Kayn. I've died in 1 hit by a 0/10 Kayn while being a 10/0 Kat... and dont tell me that Kat is paper or Im bad. That guy just clicked his spells inside a bush and i died instant... And yeah. Talon. You think that jumping pass walls with 0 CD 0 Mana 0 Skill is fun? He's the most safe pick in the world. IDK How can someone even die with him... "Hey lets remove Kat's ward hope cause too safe and lets give Talon an infinite wall jump cause it's totally balanced to be too safe" double standards... Edit; If I say "just CC katarina" you'll say "lel that's no counterplay", but you used it as example to 2 champions... And unlike the rest (They got actual CC), Kat has no CC and keeps getting a nerf after nerf for 0 reason at all. Double standards are UNREAL in this community.
> Today Yi gave me 2500 true dmg in 4 seconds. I was playing alistar with 300 armor and ult on. Do you know what true dmg is? True dmg doesnt give a shit if you have any kind of resistence > Lee can go to h*ll. Katarina lost ward hope, nobody cared. Because he lost a combo pretty much, the Q into jump with Q, W , ward down , E to ward , R out of turret Kata can still warp to allies and enemys, making her ward warp kinda stupid because she can do risky plays without being punished rly. > And yeah. Talon. You think that jumping pass walls with 0 CD 0 Mana 0 Skill is fun? 160 sec cd on that object that he jumped over. > I've died in 1 hit by a 0/10 Kayn while being a 10/0 Kat... and dont tell me that Kat is paper or Im bad. You know, there is an stat called armor in this game, you should use it, its pretty useful for not getting 1 shot by ad assasins like Kayn And you can also have wards placed
Shukr4n (EUW)
: all challenger streamer i see uses usually klepto on nasus. dont know garen and aurelion because not played by streamers i watch. assassins usually goes for elettrocut (the one with red lighting). so, well... meh
assasins go elec or dark harvest fyi, DH being good for snowballing
Shukr4n (EUW)
: so well noone pick it?
I pick it on champions like {{champion:75}} , {{champion:86}} and {{champion:136}} . Only Nasus can really make that 1.5 sec somewhat effective, but only at the point where he has over 1000 stacks and he 1 shots the adc. And assasins will get that proc after they do their combo, so they wont have anyway to reset Phase Rush in 1.5 sec from having abilities on CD
: > [{quoted}](name=RealDeagleImpact,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=igH467lN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-18T20:12:15.920+0000) > > Consider that new runes are a few months old, and the old runes were less and have been for a longer time > Before there were 9 keystones, now there are 15, making it harder to manage , and to be honest, arcane comet doesnt effect sion that much, because it still has a large cd and fairly low dmg ( max sion E does 210, comet does 100 at level 18) > > - NightFall At level 1 it will add 30 damage to a 70 damage E. This mastery causes the ability to deal 140% of its original damage, and maintains around that number for most of the game. 100 damage might not be much at level 18, but 30 damage is alot at level 1.
Electrocute is good on him aswell think about that, his kit just being E W Q W and keystone proc'ed . Making it pretty much punishing you for staying in the back, and alot of mages can easly proc that keystone anyways, and think about an other thing with level 1 E doing 100 dmg, it deals 100, but then he has only autoattacks, alot of champion deal with 1 ability already even more then 100 dmg.
: I mean, good luck using him as a bottom against an ADC, who will poke you down every time. They didnt make him to be on bottom if you are not aware of his history, he is one of the few melee mages out there making him quite easy to get poked. And his kit makes him weak against ranged, lacking range on his E for that encounter
And also, why would Riot make an other champion which has hard time finding his spot in the game, he was played in every single role possible.
Lakrosin (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RealDeagleImpact,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kumyYWcK,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-18T20:15:24.737+0000) > > They already forced a meta on bot, Morde being put there for a short period of time, because many other champions were outclassing him in the game. Maybe you should read before posting next time.
I mean, good luck using him as a bottom against an ADC, who will poke you down every time. They didnt make him to be on bottom if you are not aware of his history, he is one of the few melee mages out there making him quite easy to get poked. And his kit makes him weak against ranged, lacking range on his E for that encounter
: Talon/Yi/kayn/lee need nerfs, but they'll get buffs... Ryze, Nida, Rek, Kassadin need NO buff. The rest idk cause I dont even see them that much.
Lee lost a big part of his kit, the ward hop is less frequent with no green smite, so they have to bring him back. Yi gets outclassed by jungles lately, him being more of a snowballer type of champion, needing a lead, prob with that is that lead has to be large Kayn can be easly eliminated with CC because he has to go deep for kills Talon .
: Bearly silver and you cry about champions like Yasuo and all ADC. Learn how to abuse them in lane, that is about it. You are silver so every game is winnable. I can already tell, you got against a Sion player who knows how to play him ,aw Sion need a nerf, Brand does to much damage, ah he needs a nerf, Swain does to much damage he needs a nerf, at the last one I played against a Swain , and actually destroyed him because he only got 2 abilites on me : Q and R, because E and W are easy to dodge. And Yasuo, i can feel the bronze air by saying that, Yasuo players have 1 job in this game, getting fed from your mistakes. That is why he can punish for example a Katarina early , but late she destorys him. This post is actually garbo. - NightFall
And I didnt mention any of the champions that you think need buff because they dont need. Ryze buff, like he doesnt have enough dmg already, Nidalle buff even she is a strong duelist and a great, prob the best, counter ganker.
: Champions that need buffs/nerfs
Bearly silver and you cry about champions like Yasuo and all ADC. Learn how to abuse them in lane, that is about it. You are silver so every game is winnable. I can already tell, you got against a Sion player who knows how to play him ,aw Sion need a nerf, Brand does to much damage, ah he needs a nerf, Swain does to much damage he needs a nerf, at the last one I played against a Swain , and actually destroyed him because he only got 2 abilites on me : Q and R, because E and W are easy to dodge. And Yasuo, i can feel the bronze air by saying that, Yasuo players have 1 job in this game, getting fed from your mistakes. That is why he can punish for example a Katarina early , but late she destorys him. This post is actually garbo. - NightFall
Lakrosin (NA)
: Can we create more champs like Morde?
They already forced a meta on bot, Morde being put there for a short period of time, because many other champions were outclassing him in the game. If you are going to post only meme posts you should stop , because you are not funny with this.
: Any arguements in favor of this mastery system?
Consider that new runes are a few months old, and the old runes were less and have been for a longer time Before there were 9 keystones, now there are 15, making it harder to manage , and to be honest, arcane comet doesnt effect sion that much, because it still has a large cd and fairly low dmg ( max sion E does 210, comet does 100 at level 18) - NightFall
: Considering you played {{champion:74}} as a new champion for you, I can already tell that you are not experienced with his matchups. He is not a simple champion to start from , its learning curve its pretty impressive, because if you see a Heimer main you can see that he abuses every single part of him, pretty much Heimer being an "anti-melee assasin". > He's pretty squishy and it feels like you have to go Deathcap ASAP if you want to do any real damage Items like {{item:3157}} make him the true power, abusing ganks in his favor Most mages are squishy , but you can still build defensive items like {{item:3001}} which still increases his dmg by a bit. - NightFall
+ he gets MS from walking around his turrets making easier to dodge skill shots and you can even bodyblock with turret.
: I know no one cares about the Heimski, but he really needs some love
Considering you played {{champion:74}} as a new champion for you, I can already tell that you are not experienced with his matchups. He is not a simple champion to start from , its learning curve its pretty impressive, because if you see a Heimer main you can see that he abuses every single part of him, pretty much Heimer being an "anti-melee assasin". > He's pretty squishy and it feels like you have to go Deathcap ASAP if you want to do any real damage Items like {{item:3157}} make him the true power, abusing ganks in his favor Most mages are squishy , but you can still build defensive items like {{item:3001}} which still increases his dmg by a bit. - NightFall
Lutein (EUNE)
: Blue essences are too hard to aquire / rare
They introduced this system to leave players to play a variety of champions, because now you can get a champion way cheaper through a shard then you could before. And put in consideration a big fact >1: Now players are FORCED against their will to play every day at least 1 win of the day for 50 BE, because it's the only way to speed up one's progress. At this you are right , but wrong, because you forget about that 400 bonus xp, which helps players who cant just sit around play all day, giving them a chance to get 1 level every 5 days by winning a game daily. - NightFall
: An idea to buff phase rush
Phase rush does its job well enough, it does not need an buff. Also, by target it has to be a champion because that is how its meant to work, and it wouldnt be relevant, because one champion can kill a champion in 1.5 sec, and that is {{champion:75}} Other champions that can kill targets fast enough would be {{champion:266}} , {{champion:29}} , but they have better keystones, leaving your idea irelevant. - NightFall

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