: She is isnt. People who say riven is hard are just not good at the game. You can effectively pick her up and win even without doing perfecr animation cancels at her current status. You no longer need to sacrifice cdr for damage like you did in the past and not only that you can also get tanky as hell now since her items have hp on top of it. Don't try to talk shit to me about Riven i got hundreds of games on her and even named myself WorstRivenUni during season 6 and one tricked her till i got banned (again). And even if you wanted proof i could litterally get an EUW acc and show you all of her combos on my 80ping without any warming up and i've quit for over 9 months now. She is actually braindead in most of her *skill* matchups for like 2 years now and she either gets hard stomped countered to the point she is irrelevant in lane or it's up to the riven player to win the matchup not the other player on the skill matchup. And for high elo proof you can litterally watch hashinshin ( a well know riven hater her ) using her for like 3 games and shitstomping LOL.
> She is isnt. People who say riven is hard are just not good at the game. So you are saying TF Blade is not good at the game. Because he said just before he got banned from twitch that he doesn't play Riven because he couldn't play her at higher level than diamond before he plays hundreds of games with her since she is not an easy champion. > You can effectively pick her up and win even without doing perfecr animation cancels at her current status. 44.27%, 46%, 47.22%, 48.72%, 48.77% These are her win rates from bronze to diamond. It shows perfectly how "effectively" can she be picked in her current state, also that you have 0 clue what you are talking about. > Don't try to talk shit to me about Riven i got hundreds of games on her and even named myself WorstRivenUni during season 6 and one tricked her till i got banned (again). So because you played her 3 years ago you automatically now her current state, matchups, strengths, etc? How delusional. > And even if you wanted proof i could litterally get an EUW acc and show you all of her combos on my 80ping without any warming up and i've quit for over 9 months now. Sure. Adrian Riven said he still needs to practice time and time again after he takes a break to perform her combos properly. I guess you are just way better than him. Too bad you never actually showed it but I guess someone has to believe you from 7.7 billion people. >She is actually braindead in most of her *skill* matchups for like 2 years now and she either gets hard stomped countered to the point she is irrelevant in lane or it's up to the riven player to win the matchup not the other player on the skill matchup. Or you were just too bad with her and never managed to learn how to play her in hard matchups. > And for high elo proof you can litterally watch hashinshin ( a well know riven hater her ) using her for like 3 games and shitstomping LOL. hashinshin is a living joke. High elo players make fun of him all the time what a delusional, clueless idiot hashinshin is, so bringing his name up just makes your statements even more of a joke. Btw, if you mean by "shitstomping" that he was humiliated in lane then hard carried by his teammates while he was unable to perform a single Q combo then he sure shitstomped. LOL
Saezio (EUNE)
: Overall winrate list.
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4ajrc5FM,comment-id=0002000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-19T15:54:59.233+0000) > > Overall winrate list. So you're trying to protect Kled's oppressive win rates that are based on statistically relevant datas with irrelevant statistics based on a couple games of barely played champions...
Mogarl (NA)
: While true, it's never possible due to a low sample size. High plat (or whatever the equivalent now is) is the highest rated group with enough of a sample size to make statements based solely on statistics. There's a low enough population in masters and above that a frequently played champ can make their counters look statistically overpowered, a player that one tricks an unpopular champ may be the only player of that champ, or random chance may simply allow for a difference of a few percent.
> [{quoted}](name=Mogarl,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4ajrc5FM,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-19T05:27:27.897+0000) > > While true, it's never possible due to a low sample size. High plat (or whatever the equivalent now is) is the highest rated group with enough of a sample size to make statements based solely on statistics. There's a low enough population in masters and above that a frequently played champ can make their counters look statistically overpowered, a player that one tricks an unpopular champ may be the only player of that champ, or random chance may simply allow for a difference of a few percent. 1300 is not a low sample size. Btw, low sample size is never an issue on this board when ppl cries about e.g. Riven. "Omg Riven has 55% win rate after 2 hours of the new patch was applied, based on 30 games, omg broken champion"... So, no if board keeps bitching about other champions based on master + statistics then it does work for Kled too, especially with statistically relevant numbers. If you find 1300 low, then check diamond+: 53% win rate 12,000 games, Gold: 52.15% win rate 50,000 games. There isn't a single elo where Kled isn't oppressive and supports that he doesn't need to be nerfed.
: Do you by any chance have any concept of the term "sample size"?
> [{quoted}](name=TotalJerk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4ajrc5FM,comment-id=00020000000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-19T05:47:56.882+0000) > > Do you by any chance have any concept of the term "sample size"? Do you by any chance have any concept of statistics? No, you don't. Because if you did you would know that 1300 is not a low sample size.
Saezio (EUNE)
: Cool. I just checked, and Kled is 15th in that list. Why didn't you pick any of the 14 previous champs to complain about?
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4ajrc5FM,comment-id=00020000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-18T21:05:20.640+0000) > > Cool. > > I just checked, and Kled is 15th in that list. Why didn't you pick any of the 14 previous champs to complain about? In what list he is 15th? He has the 2nd highest win rate on top lane.
Saezio (EUNE)
: Question Are master+ stats referring to matches or to players?
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4ajrc5FM,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2019-09-18T20:43:49.001+0000) > > Question > Are master+ stats referring to matches or to players? matches
Ifneth (NA)
: Gotta include Plat and Diamond, or else any champ can have crazy stats because Master+ is old Diamond 1+.
That is strange because I was always told champions should be balanced around high elo players since they can use the champions with their full potential, also they know the best ways to counter them. There are only 2 top lane champions with 54+% win rate and more than 1000 played games: Kled and Pantheon.
Saezio (EUNE)
: Kled has 52,4% winrate with 5% pickrate according to U.GG in plat+ matches. What site are you using?
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4ajrc5FM,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-18T18:39:04.626+0000) > > Kled has 52,4% winrate with 5% pickrate according to U.GG in plat+ matches. > > What site are you using? U.gg , master+ stats
: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/NcyYFg5E-oh-no-pyke-got-caught?comment=001b Look Pyke health regen 😆
Yeah, I saw it. That champion really outshines any other shit in this game.
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: Sounds like you're the only one using fake data and should really learn proper communication and research skills.
So if I am using datas from the site that was said to be the most accurate by Riot it means I am using fake data? Are you okay bud? Have you visited your doctor recently?
: Riven just feels like she can get 2 kills at lvl 3 and completely out scale everyone.
It wouldn't be NA board if you didn't make "Riven is op" thread for a champion that has 46% win rate in your elo. The lack of self-criticism of low elo players is incredible here.
: Well according to sites like op.gg, he has been having a 46 to 50% winrate the last couple of patches so you're just incredibly wrong.
> [{quoted}](name=ProExpertKing,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ss0bqFW9,comment-id=000d00000000,timestamp=2019-08-24T21:04:15.697+0000) > > Well according to sites like op.gg, he has been having a 46 to 50% winrate the last couple of patches so you're just incredibly wrong. And how about stop using fake data from shit sites and start using credible data from u.gg that has the most accurate statistics according to Riot?
: Because they've been at a low winrate and mostly unplayable for anyone so they buffed them.
> [{quoted}](name=ProExpertKing,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ss0bqFW9,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-08-24T13:09:24.095+0000) > > Because they've been at a low winrate and mostly unplayable for anyone so they buffed them. Jax had 52% win rate in master+ almost every patch before this buff. Now he has 54% and 58% in challenger. What an unplayable champion...
: Firstly i never personally said nerf riven so please dont put me with the diehard riven haters that ask for riven to get deleted. I do find her annoying but thats it. I pick poppy every time i face riven and I am ok with the match up. Simple as that. If i blind pick then then lost vs riven ( i have met some inexperieced riven who were just 300g in my pocket every time i went for the kill) or riven pressed her buttons correctly and timely. So i got outsmarted out played -call it whatever you want. I dont really mind her- but I do find her annoying to kill or get rid of ( high mobility to either escape or hunt me down). Secondly riven had both highest win ratio AND pick ratio at all ranks globaly- so in my opinion she needed some attention . I personally believed that what riven needs are some adjustments like lower Q damage and lower Q cd or something or passive etc. Finally bugs like these should not exist- for any reason no matter the champion. Neither Riven or Kled or Yasuo or anyone should be plagued with bugs and make the champion doing things that shouldnt happened in the first place.
That is why I used " ". NA board was always like this: "nerf riven because she has 55% win rate in master+" and no further explanation. Riven is now garbage tier compared to other buffed and way easier top laners, so still crying for Riven nerfs is laughable. Otherwise, I agree with everything what you said.
: Akali after the rework ( before they remove W invisiblity under tower and Q heal) had way lower than rivens win ratio. WAY lower winrate than Riven. And Riot admited that akali even with that winrate that she was too strong. So winrates doesnt matter.
> [{quoted}](name=giannishannibal,realm=EUNE,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=5QEEfp8w,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2019-08-22T17:32:47.886+0000) > > Akali after the rework ( before they remove W invisiblity under tower and Q heal) had way lower than rivens win ratio. WAY lower winrate than Riven. And Riot admited that akali even with that winrate that she was too strong. So winrates doesnt matter. When Riven had high win rates "you" said "Nerf Riven because she has high win rates". When Riven has low win rates you say "Nerf Riven because win rates doesn't matter" XDDDDDD
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