: zed sells too many skins and the boards really like his skins so he's never overpowered.
Basically, Zed mains found the secret sauce. Let's all call our mains weak whenever someone complains about them, and they will dodge every nerf, get a compensation buff for anything and super cool skins.
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: yup he is quite strong but as llstylish says he is weak so according to the community he is weak as well
Think for themselves? What heresy is that?
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: well that was the idea behind the shift because the bonus ad mechanic was a noob trap thats why his over all win rate went up because people felt free to ult who ever they wanted
Which shows he is indeed overtuned, as all it did is "ult who you feel" and boom, he's no negative at any rank.
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: not really killing every ad based champion gave zed a lot of ad jhin was just the oh god i got 100 ad for free from this dude which is like 3k gold bump in terms of stats
I ment that yes, everyone did give him AD, it wasn't "oh god, that 30 AD was what won me the game" type of thing, and normally he would only get around 30-40 AD, which is 1.4k, but since his Q is now 100% AD, it's more of a shift than net nerf that the people make it be, unless he kills the fed Jhin, in which case, yea, it is a net nerf, but let's be honest, it's his job to make sure he doesn't get fed in the first place, so it's kind of an.....you get my point.
: Zed cant carry a game. Assassins are literally the worst class in the game and get out scaled by every other champion. They're just worse mages.
Kat is an assassin, people cry she's too strong. Akali is an assassin, the worst one, people still cry she's too strong. Zed has almost 60% wr in Challenger, is an assassin, clearly not weak.
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: i mean if he can't 1v9 games then the champion is weak in his eyes but lets be fair at least here they took away the bonus ad from his ultimate for shadow hop range and atk speed growth xD
and Q doing more base damage (that got reverted), having 100% AD scaling, so basically, unless vs a fed Jhin, the bonus damage from R got placed in Q.
: Zed is stupidly easy and doesn't actually require much of thinking today. Always said that, always believed that. Or is Duskblade R Duskblade again E on squishies hard?
Trust, I do agree that Zed is easy to play atm, but a lot still go on with calling him "weak" or "hard to play", so.....he fits the bill. Plus, most tier lists have all 3 at the same difficulty, so.....again, fits the bill for comparison.
Rioter Comments
ytf (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Infernape,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p5qwy0He,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-14T23:28:41.484+0000) > > I vote neither. > > Akali needs re-reworking. Granted Riot is getting rid of Obscured (which is what they should've fucking done in the first place), but I still think even without Obscured, she's going to still be busted in competitive play. Riot needs to actually take the champion right back to the drawing board. if anyone's wondering: Obscured is a mechanic introduced specifically with Akali, meaning her location can be revealed but she can not be directly targeted
But is visible and targetable when in tower attack range. You'd be surprised how many people don't know that.
: All you do here. Is make your self look like a fool. He is a part of a group and not only him. And why are you trying to make me say he was right how is this different when he is right and when (example) boxbox is right
You're the fool here buddy, as you seem to not know what you yourself do. A few comments above you stated that you don't watch him, now you said you do, so which is is? > [{quoted}](name=letsfeedtogether,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hyRvBTPE,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-15T11:36:56.262+0000) > > I watch him. Or > [{quoted}](name=letsfeedtogether,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hyRvBTPE,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-07-15T11:44:55.138+0000) > > I do not watch HIS STREAMS i did not know that and i used it and he used it because of the easy fact. Its the only thing gou got. Win rates.
: Cc does not work i guess. If she has 54% win rate. I like how you ignore deta.
Her number of games is low, which means 2 things: 1. She's played mostly by mains and one tricks 2. She's picked into favorable match-ups If I was a Kat main, I wouldn't pick her when the enemy teams looks like this: Croc boots top, Skarner jg, Alistar support and Talon mid, but I would pick her when it looks like Ryze top, Yi jg, Zed mid and Lux support. Basically, her winrate is a tad inflated.
: I've been feeling this for the past few years now. Every time people have just said "popular champs sell more so get over it" but I have NEVER seen a company focus this hard on popular champs. I can't think of one game, let alone a MOBA that would spam skins this hard on popular champs. But for some reason it's fine cause Riot's making money cause of it. It would be fine if the money was going back into making something nice for the less popular champs. New lore, nice videos with unpopular champs in them, something. But it's not. the money goes right back into making more stuff for the popular champs. the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. Riot is pretty much beyond the point of redemption in the skin department. They are going to make skins for popular champs and while everyone will make excuses about thematics and such, what it really boils down to is money. Riot wants it, so they will squeeze as much as possible out of the community as possible. If you like an unpopular champ, then your out of luck cause that champ doesn't bring in any money.
Valve just released 2 sets for Drow Ranger in the Collector's Cache treasures, not even a month between the two treasure released, and those are limited quality, so get them now or never have them deal and Drow is currently a very popular hero, so..... I think your point just fell.
: > [{quoted}](name=MorganFreemanBot,realm=NA,application-id=EBBIvmVK,discussion-id=243gIhRT,comment-id=00010003,timestamp=2019-07-13T21:10:44.659+0000) > > Hurr durr. Let's talk monstrous but ignore the champions that are actual **monsters**. > > {{champion:421}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:56}} {{champion:19}} {{champion:120}} > > Yes, I get it. Project is supposed to be an augmented humanoid series. > > > {{champion:120}} Would fit easily, due to being a centaur. Some sort of cyber centaur, make the bottom half vehicle (rather than horse) based. > > {{champion:421}} could fit as a rogue AI that cobbled together a form / took something over. Or, to really go above and beyond, make her a militarized stasis unit; with someone inside of her long insectile tail, similar to how 40k dreadnaughts work. > > {{champion:56}} could be similar to Zed, but less ninja and more cyber-image / projection. > > {{champion:19}} Could fit just as well as anyone else, all that you really need is a wolf head / helmet aug. > > But no. Instead, lets just shove more skins onto champions that already have plenty, like Jinx and Pyke. And when we try to play around MONSTROSITY as a over-arching concept, let's clearly just pick more half-dressed humanoids. Fuck the actual monsters. :^) They can't just break the pattern of the skin line just because the theme is a little different... * PROJECT - consists of only Human Figures (Vi, Yi). * PROGRAM - consists of Magically altered Entities (Lissandra, Soraka). * MECHA - consists of mostly monster like Entities (Sion, Urgot). Each of your mentioned Champions would go in the following categories... * PROJECT: N/A * PROGRAM: Nocturne (he is more on the Magical side with some Human shape familiarities, and he's a wraith without a proper physical body so I think PROGRAM would be more fitting) * MECHA: Warwick, Hecarim Cho'Gath has a MECHA skin and Rek'Sai has a Eternum Skin which is similar to MECHA.
Rek'sai has Eternum not Mecha. Rek'sai has only 2 skins, Eternum and Pool Party.
: Vel’koz support is freakin scary. I don’t understand those ADC purists and their mindsets.
They aren't the main carry anymore. I've lost so many games because the ADC refused to help simply because they didn't got to be the MVP.
Sherogarth (EUNE)
: Jinx, Irelia, Akali and Pyke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=48&v=wg6lffteZ-w
It's not Irelia, but most probably Syndra. Irelia has 5 blades flying around her, the one in the trailer has only 3.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: July 12
Probably too late to get a reply, but here's a question: Considering Zed is the only "mechanically intensive" champion to have positive win rates on all ranks according to U.GG (unless you count the 49.7% wr in Bronze where his highest play rate is as negative, which for a champ of his "difficulty", it's not), mind sharing some of your opinions on him, as in, why do you believe such a "mechanically difficult" champion is having both no negative win rates and such a huge play rate? Also, as a more interest question for me, what do you think of his passive giving him almost 30 free AD at level 1?
AIQ (NA)
: So I'm going to try this out. First off I don't think you or anyone thinks that all junglers act this way. You got a lot of unfortunate ones back to back. Which sucks, but is not always the case. Why you may expeience less jungle presence then before may be tied to which lane youa re in. For instance, if you are on blue side and the top laner. Red/Krugs/and Raptors are all on the bottom side. Clearing that side of the map is the ONLY correct option which neglects your top side heavily. Now good pathing etc. can still allow for ganks top, but for the most part you want to impact the side that your red buff is on the most as they give a huge XP boost. I rarely clear my gromp most games now. Also Auto fill jungle is a huge thing atm. A lot of newer junglers are entering the role due to auto fill. So unfortunately you might run into more players that just don't know what to do. I have a few professional friends, one is in the LCS. He can't jungle to save his life. It's a hard role that is hard to transition to if all you do is lane. Just some points to keep in mind.
I did say "recently", so yes, I know that not all junglers are like that, I even stated at the end of the OP that it's something recent, as before, the random junglers were ok, mostly being the ones helping to win the games. Also, it's mid that I play when not in the jungle, rarely top. I know some people don't know how to jungle, we all have lanes we can't play, and that's ok, but when they go with "I can't let you have any kills because you'll feed", that's clearly not a case of not knowing how to jungle. A bad game is a bad game, we all have them, I'm no exception and no matter the match, I know I could've played my lane slightly better, but can't say blaming the jungler when intentionally refusing to help, just going for kills then blaming you for losing a 2v1 lane is unwarranted.
vimaid (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Kanzler,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=v5qE7WH9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-09T19:04:19.508+0000) > > Junglers seem to have a superiority complex and we should be lucky if they bless our lane with their presence. thats all lanes there are bad apples everywhere my dude its not hardstuck to jsut junglers
Tell me about it.....ADC players are something special themselves, especially the Kai'sa players. Gosh, I lost count on how many I lost because Kai'sa and party members (if any) simply refused to play and help because she's not the one who's carrying. Better lose and blame the team than accept you're not the match MVP but still scored a win I guess.... Can't say much about top lane, as it's almost exclusively someone from my party there, Shun loves to go top, so I can't say about him. Mid are all sort of salads, so to put it, from apples to "potatoes". Supports....wish Stargazer would come back to LoL, can never go wrong with him on support.
Kanzler (NA)
: Junglers seem to have a superiority complex and we should be lucky if they bless our lane with their presence.
Yea, "having no jungler" is a running gag between me and my friends now when neither of us is the jungler, as almost always we get the bad ones, but at least they used to try, like, ok, you tried a gank and died for it, at least you tried, recently they refuse to gank unless we're dead and they can get the kill.
: The jungle really sucks right now. I used to be a jungle main but now I ask out of the role as often as I can. Many junglers have to spend much more time farming to stay even relatively close to the solo laners' level, and as a result are able to help less during laning phase - I say "many" because there are still a few who can level 2 gank, and those are the only ones people still say are viable to play. It all sucks. That being said, it just sounds like you got rotten matchmaking luck with a few larger-than-average douchebags.
Eh, being honest, I'm ok with jungling myself, and I know there are times and champions where even if you'd want to help you can't, and I'm ok when that happens and I'm the laner and I don't get the gank, it's cool, but when it's the norm for a jungler not to gank.... My fav was a J4 quite a while ago, he was 0-0-0 at 15 mins, all lanes losing, he tells us "just hold on 5 more mins, I just need to complete one more item and then I'll start ganking". No surprise we lost that one, and of course he was the typical "gg, no team" type. I'm used to being camped, that's kinda why I stopped playing Akali, tho now I'm trying to pick her up again. Most of my mastery is on the old Akali (around 300k of the 340k I have now), but well, the opponents can't know that, so I get hard camped. I think there was just 1 game since her release where I didn't got camped by the enemy jungler, but at least when the enemy is a free kill, the ally jungler should help. Junglers like these are why I started playing jungle myself back in S8. If I can't have a good jungler, I'll be the good jungler and win that way.
Rioter Comments
: Off-meta ideas for botlane / support.
I heard on Mobalytics about a Vel'koz Yuumi bot, might want to try that?
: my deepest apologies
No worries. Was just joking. I'd love to have CM's sizes, but oh well, not all of us are lucky. And don't worry, you're not the first to get the name wrong, if I could only have a chocolate for every person who got it wrong....
: clearly you havent seen zed's winrates ill give you Rylai's post so you can actually read rather than just saying "LuL sIlVeR sCrUb" > [{quoted}](name=Rylalei,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xI4NVWUY,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-07-07T10:13:52.349+0000) > > Broken means a kit design problem, which he sure fucking has, overpowered is a number problem. > > Right now Zed is over powered by all definitions except for people who just try to stretch the definition of overpowered to fit their needs. > > Currently classified as S+ tier for mid on U.GG and here are his per rank stats (from U.GG, I'll give them in this order, win, pick, ban) > - Iron: 50.54%, 15.1%, 42.5% > - Bronze: 49.9%, 16.3%, 47.6% > - Silver: 50.23%, 14.5%, 51.8% > - Gold: 50.88%, 13.2%, 51.6% > - Platinum: 51.52%, 12.5%, 46.6% > - Diamond: 51.76%, 11.8%, 35.5% > - Master: 52.66%, 10.3%, 22.5% > - Grandmaster: 53.2%, 11.5%, 21.4% > - Challenger: **58.26%, 11.3%, 13.7%** > > I mean, at that play rate and ban rate, 49.9% can't even be considered a negative win rate, so basically, Zed has huge play rates, no negative winrates across the board and is considered one of the hardest champs to play in the game, one of the easiest to counter and he's not good in places where people communicate a lot and know how to play, yet his highest win rate is in Challenger, where people know how to counter, where people know how to play and they communicate. If he was so easy to counter and all you had to do is build Seeker's to "nullify all his damage" as everyone sais, why is his lowest win rate in places where people DON'T BUILD SEEKER'S yet his highest is where people know how to counter him? > as you can see Zed is a huge problem in more elos that "SiLvEr" he deserves either his damage or his safety nerfed, whether youre still stuck in the mindset of "GiT gUd" or not you cant argue with facts
I'm not the Crystal Maiden, my name is Rylalei.
: These people know they're wrong they just like shitposting and getting upvotes from other bad players. Anyone with half a braincell knows Zed is fine right now.
Fine by what standards? Some tracking sites have him as most banned champ in the game, couple that with no negative win rates in any elo, high play rate and him supposedly being a "high skill champ", something doesn't add up. Might be the fact that he's the only high skill champ with no negative win rates maybe? So yes, by what standards is he fine? Garen standards, then sure, he's fine. "Mechanically intense champ" standards he's overtuned. It's all by what standards he's looked at. By Zed mains standards he's an unpickable bad champ.
: Personally, I consider team skins as just a skin in general. If you had been watching all the work they put into Resistance Illaoi and Little Demon Tristana, you'd realize that each and every skin takes a TON of effort and cooperation. Although team skins aren't made by choice, they still take away from skin production
I do consider them as actual skins, but I was curious on who has the most skins made by Riot's own accord, hence why limited skins are counted, yet team skins are not, as just as you stated, they aren't made by choice, so it's not Riot giving that champion a skin because they think it deserves it, they have to because that's the champ chosen by the winners. Basically, it's who got the most skins from Riot, not who got the most skins in general.
: Akali: Gameplay Update Suggestions
Normally I would say I'm open to seeing Akali get some buffs, but what you stated is noooooooooooooooooooooooooo Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Akali is in a good spot once you learn what you have to do as her and against her. She takes a lot of practice and she's a strong champion when mastered. What a vast majority of players don't understand is that not every champion is balanced when at 50% win rate. Some, like Akali, Azir, Ryze, Zed, Kalista, are not balanced if at 50% win rate, they are borderline overpowered. Some champions simply have a much higher entry skill requirement than Zed, that's all. I know the feel that some may want to have that instant gratification of playing skill intensive champs well, and trust me, I'd want to pull of some sick Azir, Elise or Nidalee plays myself, but I suck at them, yet I wouldn't want them buffed because I know how strong they are when mastered, and for those who master such champs, I hold a lot of respect. Akali's heal was removed for good reason, it gave her too much sustain in order to be punishable. Old Akali could keep it because she had to get in melee range to use it, and that made her vulnerable to poke or all ins, the new one is much safer, so having the heal is too much. Also reducing the energy cost on Q is just too big of a buff as well. Akali's early game can be good depending on how she plays it, and she definitely doesn't need to become a 2nd Zed. The W buffs are just......yea, no reason to continue from here. What buffs you suggested are just too massive for her to ever be balanced. All the buffs Akali needs after the W changes are a bit more beef on her, I mean, she's eating so much ramen, she could use a bit more booty to defend herself with in the form of a bit more base and per level MR and Armor. That's all, I can think of that would be a good buff without making her overpowered. She needs practice, she's not Zed, and you know, I'd like to be able to play my champion.
: Academic lvl of conversation right here mr. Doctor. If you make some claim like "XY said ABCD", you need to prove it. We did this in high school in simple essayes, not sure what kind of medical one you attended
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gj07TnzW,comment-id=00140000000000010000000000000000000000010000000000000002,timestamp=2019-07-08T17:29:59.436+0000) > > So you won't give us anything to prove your claims? > > Zed all over the world has high wr with high pr(and yes, it matters to some extent), if Korean challanger Zed main has 77% winrate, it's almost, like Zed isn't nearly as weak as you make him. > > Keep on dodging the real question, who are you to make those claims(I don't want you to tell me, "I'm coach, analyst, exmaster player, medic doctor, chess master", I want proof) or who made those claims(again, "XY said it" isn't proving anything). If you think this guy will reply with something that has any resemblance of actual source and it's not "X said Y so it's true", you're deluding yourself. I already proven he's lying about statistics with the Riven ones, he said that recently she had 54% in Silver, but in the past 7 months she did not, highest was 50%, which true, is high, but it's nowhere near the 54% he claimed. And that's not the only stats he lied about, but hey, apparently he considers that if a champ has 60% win rate, it can still be a bad champ, so don't waste your digital ink with him.
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6QXcHbrx,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-08T14:14:10.267+0000) > > Ah, but are we counting the whatever the hell they were referred to skins? Like the SG and Pajama Guardian skins are to each other. If we discount those skins that amount to super chromas does that change which champion has the most? If riot sells them at full price they are real skins
> [{quoted}](name=Galactic Mayhem,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6QXcHbrx,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-07-08T16:14:56.358+0000) > > If riot sells them at full price they are real skins For the original count, I did count each as it's own individual skin, so Lux - 11, MF - 12, making her the highest amount of skins.
: It still feels like Kai'Sa has more though, she might just beat MFs record.
> [{quoted}](name=14daysuspensionk,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6QXcHbrx,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-08T16:00:45.285+0000) > > It still feels like Kai'Sa has more though, she might just beat MFs record. Kai'sa has 4 total skins: Arcade, Bullet Angel, K/DA and iG, but since iG is a team skin, it doesn't count, thus making it 3 skins for this topic, to MF's 12. Maybe in the future she'll outclass MF, but since not even Lux is outclassing her (even with Prestige and Pajama, she's at 11, while if we count them as different version of the same skin, she's at 9, and MF at 11, since Pajama Guardian is just a different version of Star Guardian)
: How about skins that actually do something. LIke MF has a bunch of skins that are the same thing but the body is different. Same goes with lux. So who has the most skins with particle effects and stuff like that?
Ok, this took a bit of time to check, and if I miss anything, pls do tell. Here are the skins that add any form of particles or animations: Lux: Steel Legion, Star Guardian, Elementalist, Lunar Empress - 4 skins. Miss Fortune: Arcade, Captain (New recall and sounds), Pool Party, Star Guardian, Gun Goddess - 5 skins. If we don't count Captain Fortune, then they are equal, but by criteria, adding new animation and sounds, yea, MF is the winner between the two.
: > [{quoted}](name=Rylalei,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gj07TnzW,comment-id=001400000000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-08T16:27:46.210+0000) > > And you are? > > Basically a nobody. > > I can't find anything related to DopA saying Zed is bad, so that guy's out of the equation. > > All I find from Cute Mau is about Annie, nothing Zed related. > > I watch a lot of LS and he doesn't talk about Zed. > > Jayne is a Zed main, so of course it's gonna say he's weak. > > I can't find anything about Adrian Smeb, and the Smeb I'm find is named Song Kyung-Ho. So unless you ment Adrian Riven by Adrian and Smeb being Song, then I still can't find jack about them talking regarding Zed. > > Same for Xiao lao ban, can't find them saying anything about Zed. > > So you need to provide actual sources, otherwise, as proven with your "Riven had a winrate" she never had, you're just a liar. I am a stranger. You have no clue whether I am a nobody or not. You haven't spoken to him recently or watched him talk about it on stream then either, DopA isn't out, he said now is not good for Zed because other champions have a better payout. LS talked about Zed being on the cusp of being viable and he talked about Zed being undesirable because he can't get onto adcs in this meta and again 3 patches ago. I liked your point with Jayne, that's like Hashinshin saying jax or aatrox isn't weak. Cute Mau talks about Zed, and how he is comfortable playing annie into zeds despite zed being a large counter matchup for annie because annie is more useful. He also says that zed right now, struggles because seekers armguard and ninja tabi are overtuned. Adrian thinks Zed takes a lot to make useful right now and the same effort is better spent elsewhere, if he heard LS talk about zed he would probably be even less optimistic. Smeb thinks zed is trash right now. Xiao Lao Ban thinks zed is almost unpickable since riot gave a delay on the reactivation of zed's r. Sorry, but you don't get to fill in the blanks just because you are unfamiliar. Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? Yikes!
If they talked about it on stream, bring the proof, go grab a link, tell us the time and we'll go watch it. LS only talks about pro play, he stated that a bunch of times on his Patch Notes Rundown vids, and I know, I watch each one of them. And yes, you are a nobody that think's he's special. If you are so high and mighty, show who you really.
: > [{quoted}](name=Rylalei,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gj07TnzW,comment-id=00140000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-08T15:25:30.226+0000) > > You're just spewing lies and anyone who even cares for a second to look at stats would see you're lying. > > I did check, even before her nerfs in 9.10, Riven had a 46% in Iron and only got to 50% in Gold. > > New Akali NEVER HAD A GOOD WINRATE ANYWHERE BELLOW GRANDMASTERS. Old Akali sure, she had a few moments in Season 3 was it? And got her ass nerfed. > > If you want to try to make a case for zed being so weak, you'd have to empirical and objective, rather than spouting lies. In other words you can't argue against anything I said so you try to use adhoms instead. You didn't play very long if you don't remember the tank akali meta and how it plagued silver and bronze. Not to mention, new akali had periodically done well in lower tiers. Not to mention, we already established that win rates don't mean what you thought they did, and any salaried pro, professional coach and most tiers who aren't hardstuck in the diamond mines or below could tell you that. The case for zed being weak has already been made that's why the aforementioned high tier players, coaches, analysts and most anyone who isn't stuck below master tier disagrees with you and why he isn't really contended in high tiers or in competitive. If you want to go against the grain and advocate something new, the onus to prove something is on you. Teaching you what zed's problems, what the counter play is and how to get more value, to prove he is a bad pick is not only beyond the scope of a simple forum post, but way more advanced than anything you need to worry about at this point in your LoL journey.
The only thing needed to prove you're a liar are stats that can be easily searched by anyone. You said Riven recently had a 54% win rate in Silver? Ok, let's look at the stats between patches 9.1 and 9.13, her win rate in Silver. 9.1 - 47.98% 9.2 - 48.30% 9.3 - 48.19% 9.4 - 50.62% 9.5 - 49.95% 9.6 - 49.87% 9. 7 - 50.30% 9.8 - 49.47% 9.9 - 49.1% 9.10 - 47.27% 9.11 - 47.32% 9.12 - 48.14% 9.13 - 48.11% So where's that 54% win rate you talked about? It's nowhere recent. 9.4 is when the new Conqueror was added, which is why until she got nerfed she was staying in a close to positive win rate, even breaking it twice, but even then, it's nowhere close to 54%. Also, I don't need to prove anything. I said Zed is strong, I brought up his stats, compared to other champ's stats who are of similar difficulty as he is supposed to be, and it shows he's strong. I brought up my case, yet you failed to dismiss anything because all you spew are lies and your own personal opinions. You are the one saying Zed is weak and failing to bring any proof other than "I told you win rate doesn't mean what you think it does" which is without any proof as well, just your opinion. (your comment was totally Iron tier. 60% win rate champ weak? SUUUUUUUUUUURE, name one if you can. A 40% can be strong when mastered, yes, but having 40% shows it's not easy to master, so those who master it should be good, but at 60%, there's no way that champ is weak, but if you can, prove it, name one). Bring any proof, maybe we can talk, until then, I'm done with liars like you.
: > [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gj07TnzW,comment-id=0014000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-08T15:40:10.578+0000) > > Can't wait for you to hit lvl30 and get that master tier yourself, it will be easy to beat dia miners for you. > > Some sources? Master tier won't even slow me down either. High tier drafts, competitive, the coaching staff of every pro team, DopA's support team, Cute Mau, ls, Jayne, Adrian Smeb, Xiao lao ban and myself.
And you are? Basically a nobody. I can't find anything related to DopA saying Zed is bad, so that guy's out of the equation. All I find from Cute Mau is about Annie, nothing Zed related. I watch a lot of LS and he doesn't talk about Zed. Jayne is a Zed main, so of course it's gonna say he's weak. I can't find anything about Adrian Smeb, and the Smeb I'm find is named Song Kyung-Ho. So unless you ment Adrian Riven by Adrian and Smeb being Song, then I still can't find jack about them talking regarding Zed. Same for Xiao lao ban, can't find them saying anything about Zed. So you need to provide actual sources, otherwise, as proven with your "Riven had a winrate" she never had, you're just a liar.
: > [{quoted}](name=Rylalei,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gj07TnzW,comment-id=001400000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-07-08T14:02:46.070+0000) > > Can I have what you're smoking? > > Zed was in positive win rate all over the place ever since they removed the bonus AD from his ult and buffed everything else he has, even the next patch nerfs weren't enough to bring him down. > > Also, even when Riven was the OP champ she was before her E nerfs, she still didn't had a positive win rate in lower elos. > > Akali....which one? Pre rework or post rework? Pre rework still had bad winrates in a bunch of elos, but post rework one never had positive winrates except for a couple patches soon after her release in Challenger. > > So yea, you need to chill out with those "cigars", they aren't good for your health. I don't smoke and you're not going to discredit any of the information I presented to you by slinging insults so get over that. Like we already established, Winrates don't mean what you think they do. A champion can be very strong with a 40% winrate and very weak with a 60% winrate. And no, Riven had recently had a 54% winrate in silver, and both akalis have had spots of positive winrates, at one point old akali was even 56% in bronze and silver while at the same time 53% in gold. If you want to try to make a case for zed being so strong, you'd have to be empirical and objective, rather than misusing statistics.
You're just spewing lies and anyone who even cares for a second to look at stats would see you're lying. I did check, even before her nerfs in 9.10, Riven had a 46% in Iron and only got to 50% in Gold. New Akali NEVER HAD A GOOD WINRATE ANYWHERE BELLOW GRANDMASTERS. Old Akali sure, she had a few moments in Season 3 was it? And got her ass nerfed. If you want to try to make a case for zed being so weak, you'd have to empirical and objective, rather than spouting lies.
: Ah, but are we counting the whatever the hell they were referred to skins? Like the SG and Pajama Guardian skins are to each other. If we discount those skins that amount to super chromas does that change which champion has the most?
Pretty much nope. If you remove the SG/PG and Prestige as being 2 separate, then MF is still pretty much the top, just not solo, as Alistar, Annie, Kat and TF at 11 skins each. With the above condition, Lux has 9 and Ez has 10.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Rylalei,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gj07TnzW,comment-id=0014000000000001,timestamp=2019-07-08T09:04:10.845+0000) > > You're missing 2 simple facts, so let me ask you these two questions, answer only with Yes or No to each, and provide arguments where asked, maybe you'll see the bigger picture > > 1. Is Zed a mechanically intense champion? > > 2. If yes, at how big his play rate is, should his win rate be around 47-48%? > > Every single other mechanically intense champion has a negative winrate up to around Plat and Diamond, every single except Zed and Yasuo, but Yasuo has a U curve for win rate, being high in the lowest elos then going to 47% at Diamond. Zed does not have a negative win rate. > > Why does that matter? Because lower elos provide the visuals for the entry point for each champion. Mechanically intense champs should never have positive win rates there unless it's a U curve like Yasuo, so Zed sitting at 50%+ for how much skill he should require shows there's a problem with him that goes beyond the "people don't know to play against", as such cases create a U curve. > > Win rate alone means jack unless taken along other factors, and currently ALL FACTORS show Zed isn't in a week state, he's in a strong state. Skill required, huge play rate, huge ban rate, all should create a negative win rate in a few elos, yet that negative win rate doesn't exist, so I ask you to argument why? If he's so weak you make him be, why is he the only mechanically intense champ with no negative win rates? No, that isn't how winrates work. Mechanically intensive champions often have positive winrates, even in bronze, silver and gold. Riven and cass being frequent offenders. Even so, Riven and cass have, historically, been bad picks even in competitive play. Winrates aren't definitive to a champion's power, they are indicator's of their performance, when games go as they did in the sample size. Back in the day, people used to pick teemo to counter tryndamere for example and teemo had a 56% winrate against trynda top, at the same time, trynda was a counter pick to teemo and had kill pressure from level 2, if the trynda had good input buffering and knew how to force a low hp fight. People also used to think Sivir countered lucian, and the super mechanically demanding sivir, with all of her endless kiting had a 57% winrate against lucian in the laning phase, the idea was to use her spell shield to neuter his combo and it took almost 10 days for most players to figure out lucian can bully her if he trades a second time when spell shield was on cooldown. Sorry to smite your "Simple facts" but there are more variables in league than you're giving it credit and you're not a statistician. I am. Get a degree yourself and familiarize yourself with league and the conventional knowledge of league players, until then, it's too early for you to try to be as objective as you fancy yourself. Now that that's out of the way, Zed isn't the only champ that has phases like this with positive winrates and overperformance. Riven gets them a lot because players liked to stand flat footed and let her weave her full combo, with every auto attack between them, instead of forcing her to use some of her damage (Q casts, E (it's an auto attack reset) and W at range (So she has to walk before autoing) and lowering her lethal, (the hp value she can kill you from). Fizz, Akali and Talon too, who have a high degree of target access, or Ornn, who has a huge lethal IF you misplay the lane really badly and give him the types of trades you shouldn't. And infamously, illaoi where low level players want to handshake fights in her ultimate instead of kiting it out or re engaging. There are many champions who, in practice, have no obligatory kill pressure, offer little to the team, can't force the fights they need do, can't even lane against "attempted" correct play but are rescued by an opponents mistakes. And *very* often, these types of issues, that let these champions thrive when certain scenarios show up, are hard to identify, but quick fixes if you either discover the method yourself, or are shown by someone else. These are the types of issues low end solo queue players, especially under d2 50 lp or so, should really be fending for themselves on. In starcraft 2 HotS zerg were massively overtuned but terran had an 81% winrate against them, for more than 10 months before zergs figured out what they were doing wrong. No balance changes were needed for that statistic to reverse. Meta chess openings from the 17th, 18th and 19th century are now known , even by low level players to lose by force. Meta boxing from the early 1920s - 1970s now gets you thrashed in the lowest brackets of every federation. And a million other nails in your coffin.
Can I have what you're smoking? Zed was in positive win rate all over the place ever since they removed the bonus AD from his ult and buffed everything else he has, even the next patch nerfs weren't enough to bring him down. Also, even when Riven was the OP champ she was before her E nerfs, she still didn't had a positive win rate in lower elos. Akali....which one? Pre rework or post rework? Pre rework still had bad winrates in a bunch of elos, but post rework one never had positive winrates except for a couple patches soon after her release in Challenger. So yea, you need to chill out with those "cigars", they aren't good for your health.
Exin0 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Rylalei,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gj07TnzW,comment-id=00140000,timestamp=2019-07-07T21:39:57.196+0000) > > That's why he has no negative win rates across the board? > > Currently classified as S+ tier for mid on U.GG and here are his per rank stats (from U.GG, I'll give them in this order, win, pick, ban) > - Iron: 50.54%, 15.1%, 42.5% > - Bronze: 49.9%, 16.3%, 47.6% > - Silver: 50.23%, 14.5%, 51.8% > - Gold: 50.88%, 13.2%, 51.6% > - Platinum: 51.52%, 12.5%, 46.6% > - Diamond: 51.76%, 11.8%, 35.5% > - Master: 52.66%, 10.3%, 22.5% > - Grandmaster: 53.2%, 11.5%, 21.4% > - Challenger: 58.26%, 11.3%, 13.7% > > So please do tell me "where is he bad?" > > Zed is the opposite of bad, he too strong. > > Champions that require as "much skill as he does" shouldn't be so strong to have no negative win rates in any elo. > > Just take the U.GG of Nidalee, Elise, Lee, Azir, Ryze, Akali, Irelia, Katarina, Riven, any actually mechanically intensive champ, even Yasuo*, and you'll see the same traits, they get better the higher you go, but in low elos, if you're not a main, it's a guaranteed loss for your team, even Riven who everyone around here cries to be OP doesn't get into positive win rate until Plat, and even then, she's only better in win rate than Zed between Diamond and Grandmaster, as in Challenger she has 4% lower win rate than him, and a lower play rate as well. > > Zed needs nerf or a rework. His kit is designed to require a lot of skill to master, and sure, that's all fine and dandy, still needs a decent amount of skill to master, but he's also on Garen level of "pick up and play". > > *Currently Yasuo has his win rate in a U curve, it being 53% in Iron, then going straight down to 47% until Diamond, with each rank the win rate going lower, and it only starts to go back up in Masters. That's why I said "even Yasuo", as for him, lower elos are a case "not knowing how to play against him", but as you climb, he's worse. Zed? Zed's just getting better and better. Its futile, your numbers show he is op yet his defenders tell you that seekers neuter him, he is at his weekest point and is garbage in coordinated games while his numbers are rising with elo :D
Zed mains: *miss every Q, still get the kill with R E AA Ignite* : *CTRL + 6* ez mid *miss every Q, fail to get the kill with R E AA Ignite as the target gets away with 20 hp, which he wouldn't if they hit a Q* : "THE FUCK IS THAT CHAMP? YOU CHEATING!!" If I'd have 10 RP for each Zed I've seen rage that he didn't got a kill after missing all Q in an ult combo, I'd have enough to get myself both Coven Camille and Lissandra.
: eliminating 1 person, especially the carry, would auto win the teamfight cause there goes like half the damage the team can do while the rest of zed's team can just steam roll the other team
Doesn't necesarely have to be the ADC, but who's the most fed, as he can delete a lot of people quite fast, even if they have some armor, so anything that's not bruisers who go 1 damage item then full armor or tanks are fair game, and if their team has 1 member struggling to keep that team alive, that person going down is GG. Honestly, that's kinda how assassins SHOULD play, kill 1, go out and wait on cooldowns to see what happens and chose who you prioritize next with your basic abilities.
: > [{quoted}](name=Rylalei,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gj07TnzW,comment-id=00140000,timestamp=2019-07-07T21:39:57.196+0000) > > That's why he has no negative win rates across the board? > > Currently classified as S+ tier for mid on U.GG and here are his per rank stats (from U.GG, I'll give them in this order, win, pick, ban) > - Iron: 50.54%, 15.1%, 42.5% > - Bronze: 49.9%, 16.3%, 47.6% > - Silver: 50.23%, 14.5%, 51.8% > - Gold: 50.88%, 13.2%, 51.6% > - Platinum: 51.52%, 12.5%, 46.6% > - Diamond: 51.76%, 11.8%, 35.5% > - Master: 52.66%, 10.3%, 22.5% > - Grandmaster: 53.2%, 11.5%, 21.4% > - Challenger: 58.26%, 11.3%, 13.7% > > So please do tell me "where is he bad?" > > Zed is the opposite of bad, he too strong. > > Champions that require as "much skill as he does" shouldn't be so strong to have no negative win rates in any elo. > > Just take the U.GG of Nidalee, Elise, Lee, Azir, Ryze, Akali, Irelia, Katarina, Riven, any actually mechanically intensive champ, even Yasuo*, and you'll see the same traits, they get better the higher you go, but in low elos, if you're not a main, it's a guaranteed loss for your team, even Riven who everyone around here cries to be OP doesn't get into positive win rate until Plat, and even then, she's only better in win rate than Zed between Diamond and Grandmaster, as in Challenger she has 4% lower win rate than him, and a lower play rate as well. > > Zed needs nerf or a rework. His kit is designed to require a lot of skill to master, and sure, that's all fine and dandy, still needs a decent amount of skill to master, but he's also on Garen level of "pick up and play". > > *Currently Yasuo has his win rate in a U curve, it being 53% in Iron, then going straight down to 47% until Diamond, with each rank the win rate going lower, and it only starts to go back up in Masters. That's why I said "even Yasuo", as for him, lower elos are a case "not knowing how to play against him", but as you climb, he's worse. Zed? Zed's just getting better and better. First, before anything else, winrates don't matter for this. Winrates are NOT a definitive indicator of a champion's merit or power. They only suggest questions, Ie why a champion is performing as such in it's demographic. if your argument was to have any merit what so ever, we'd have to ignore how ryze, in his strongest state had a 39% winrate and how pre juggernaut rework garen had a 54 % winrate (Despite being garbage in high tiers and worse than a troll pick in competitive) Zed is not strong right now for the same reason that champions like Fizz and Diana (who also have good numbers) aren't strong. Now, this isn't going to be important at your level or in your match made games, and you're a very long way off from it becoming important but when you play LoL, almost any champion will have many chances to get value , Ie turn the game around , push for advantages or even close it out. The difference between zed and champions like lissandra, TF and neeko is that when Zed gets and capitalizes on one of these chances, the payout is *much* lower. Zed is also very reliant on making a large impact in every fight he participates in, he gets punished harshly for failure. Ie high risk, moderate reward but very little followthrough, this is important because if a would be target spaces properly, invests in counter itemization or has peel, zed shouldn't be able to do his job after 25 minutes. If you want to say zed is good because he can split push, other champions can also split, usually almost as well or better, but contribute more to skirmishes and fights. I've played many hundreds of zed games in every league that isn't challenger since his release and I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, his is servicable, and he has a lot of tools to "Push for something" and mess up someone who doesn't know how to play mid, or people who misstep, but he is objectively *very* weak, especially right now. Not that that will matter in practice at lower tiers, and especially in games like yours. Back to the winrates thing, that's like using result based thining to evaluate decision making in game. You can walk into annie's flash tibbers range, during her lethal, when she has mana, cooldowns and no incentive not to kill you, then proceed to kill her and her entire team because she just didn't do it. It doesn't mean you made the right decision. It would be more reasonable to consider winrates as you did IF there weren't tens of thousands of people who had better insights and / or more experiance. League isn't magic, there are fixed values for every number and prospect in the game. We can study and discuss it in a much more empirical way. My apologies if I just told you something akin to "the easter bunny doesn't exist".
You're missing 2 simple facts, so let me ask you these two questions, answer only with Yes or No to each, and provide arguments where asked, maybe you'll see the bigger picture 1. Is Zed a mechanically intense champion? 2. If yes, at how big his play rate is, should his win rate be around 47-48%? Every single other mechanically intense champion has a negative winrate up to around Plat and Diamond, every single except Zed and Yasuo, but Yasuo has a U curve for win rate, being high in the lowest elos then going to 47% at Diamond. Zed does not have a negative win rate. Why does that matter? Because lower elos provide the visuals for the entry point for each champion. Mechanically intense champs should never have positive win rates there unless it's a U curve like Yasuo, so Zed sitting at 50%+ for how much skill he should require shows there's a problem with him that goes beyond the "people don't know to play against", as such cases create a U curve. Win rate alone means jack unless taken along other factors, and currently ALL FACTORS show Zed isn't in a week state, he's in a strong state. Skill required, huge play rate, huge ban rate, all should create a negative win rate in a few elos, yet that negative win rate doesn't exist, so I ask you to argument why? If he's so weak you make him be, why is he the only mechanically intense champ with no negative win rates?
: > [{quoted}](name=Xavanic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gj07TnzW,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-07T09:41:47.829+0000) > > So, after playing against many zeds...i noticed something....he does too much dmg....like, while all the other assassin have been gutted and gutted again, zed's damage remains untouched...why? he arguably has the most mobility out of any assassin, has a very powerful ult that can be used both offensively and defensively...why does he need to have more dmg output then every other assassin on top of this? Zed doesn't do too much damage. It's just easy for zed to do too much damage against players who have no concept of itemization, scaling, spacing and threat. Zed right now, is actually weak because he is bad in more situations than he is good. Even the adcs and the mages he is supposed to do well against can 1v1 him after midgame and his splitting and map control when he gets ahead isn't what it used to be either. You shouldn't let zed get ideal engagements. Not that any of this matters in very low mmr play. Just be happy that if zed doesn't go up 2 kills AND stack a cull he pretty much lost lane :)
That's why he has no negative win rates across the board? Currently classified as S+ tier for mid on U.GG and here are his per rank stats (from U.GG, I'll give them in this order, win, pick, ban) - Iron: 50.54%, 15.1%, 42.5% - Bronze: 49.9%, 16.3%, 47.6% - Silver: 50.23%, 14.5%, 51.8% - Gold: 50.88%, 13.2%, 51.6% - Platinum: 51.52%, 12.5%, 46.6% - Diamond: 51.76%, 11.8%, 35.5% - Master: 52.66%, 10.3%, 22.5% - Grandmaster: 53.2%, 11.5%, 21.4% - Challenger: 58.26%, 11.3%, 13.7% So please do tell me "where is he bad?" Zed is the opposite of bad, he too strong. Champions that require as "much skill as he does" shouldn't be so strong to have no negative win rates in any elo. Just take the U.GG of Nidalee, Elise, Lee, Azir, Ryze, Akali, Irelia, Katarina, Riven, any actually mechanically intensive champ, even Yasuo*, and you'll see the same traits, they get better the higher you go, but in low elos, if you're not a main, it's a guaranteed loss for your team, even Riven who everyone around here cries to be OP doesn't get into positive win rate until Plat, and even then, she's only better in win rate than Zed between Diamond and Grandmaster, as in Challenger she has 4% lower win rate than him, and a lower play rate as well. Zed needs nerf or a rework. His kit is designed to require a lot of skill to master, and sure, that's all fine and dandy, still needs a decent amount of skill to master, but he's also on Garen level of "pick up and play". *Currently Yasuo has his win rate in a U curve, it being 53% in Iron, then going straight down to 47% until Diamond, with each rank the win rate going lower, and it only starts to go back up in Masters. That's why I said "even Yasuo", as for him, lower elos are a case "not knowing how to play against him", but as you climb, he's worse. Zed? Zed's just getting better and better.
Arakadia (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Rylalei,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=daz0wGTo,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-06T16:17:42.016+0000) > > Also K/DA being a skin for her because the girls who made the song chose her. > > In the end: > - Riot made 2 skins for her: > - - Bullet Angel - release skin > - - Arcade > - 2 skins were made because Kai'sa was chose and Riot had to comply > - - IG - obvious reasons > - - K/DA - the girls chose her > > Rumble was never part of team skins because no-one cares about him, and when it comes to others choosing champs for skin, Rumble isn't just....good. > > He's a rat in a robot, there's not much you can do with him other than making his robot look differently, even so there's nothing that makes him stand out one skin from another, no good thematic to make him stand out. Super Galaxy? High tech mech. Jungle? Robot made of wood....ok. > > Rumble is just one of those champions that you can't make good skins for. Kai'sa on the other hand has such a simple base design that she can be placed in anything and look good. Riot most certainly played a role in choosing which characters got KDA skins. They would not surrender such a significant event and profit to the hopes the singers picked good characters.
They do it at worlds, so why not here as well? Beside the Worlds skins, the K/DA are the 1st one I know of for being selected by someone else and not Riot, so showing they let people chose can give them a good rep.
xAcidik (NA)
: He's not broken though. And he's not easy. No champion is easy just because a lack of mechanical depth. If he were easy, people would pick him up and artificially inflate their ELO and Challenger would be filled with Tryndamere mains. Where Tryndamere lacks mechanical depth, you have to make up for with decision making. Some champions, like Irelia or Zed, can win fights that they really shouldn't have gone into with an insane outplay, but Tryndamere doesn't really have that ability. Instead, a bad decision will always be punished. Same with Garen, Annie, and every other "easy" or "braindead" champ. In reality, the only "easy" champions are the ones with the highest winrates, because their kits are the ones with the most power and the most impact on games. The "hardest" champs are the ones with the lowest winrate, because they have a lot of impact on games, but that impact is bad. "Braindead" as a word to describe a champion is just a term born from the salt of some random hardstuck low ELO Yasuo main who believes they're really Diamond level, but they play a harder champion that doesn't give them free wins and also their teams suck all the time and the enemy teams are always better. I'm low ELO too but I own it and know that it's because I need to improve.
The only issue I have with your comment is the use of "broken". Tryndamere is not over powered, but he is broken. Broken - a kit design problem. Overpower - numbers problem. Don't get me wrong, he's not the only broken champion, Zed, Yi, Foodyr, and others fit that list very well. Broken kits usually result in either "unpayable" or "overpowered" situations, and stat check kits like Tryndamere are almost always broken. Other than that, a nice post.
AmazoX (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Rylalei,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gj07TnzW,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-07T13:53:58.243+0000) > > You mean R E AA Ignite is dodgeable? Cool story bro. R E AA does not kill you.
At level 6 with just a Dirk, no, it doesn't, later in the game after Dusk Blade + Dirk, it can kill you.
Antenora (EUW)
: All his damage is able to be dodged. His R makes him land behind you always.
You mean R E AA Ignite is dodgeable? Cool story bro.
: First off, Riven isn't struggling. Any data below plat has no meaning for her since shes main exclusive, and most of them are raking in the LP with her massively overtuned damage. The only nerf Zed needs is how his R damage works. Right now it stores damage that IGNORES defensive stats, meaning he can deal a shit ton of damage with a dirk alone. "the mark stores a percentage of all pre-mitigation physical and magic damage Zed and his Shadows deal to the target, detonating at the end of the duration to deal physical damage." 25% at rank 1, when defensive items are still in the works. I can see why mages bitch Seekers doesn't work and its because of that. The mark storage needs to be just the damage he deals, not pre-mitigation. Its the reason why tanks die like paper to him when in REALITY he shouldn't be doing such.
I think you missed the point of why I showcased Riven. I did say myself that she's in a stronger spot that she should be, so I did acknowledged that she's not fine, but the reason why I showcased her was the entry point between her and Zed. You can't just pick up Riven and be done with it. Low win rates especially in lower elos showcase that point exactly. If you just pick her and decide "ok, I'm gonna stomp as Riven", you probably won't. Yes, there are games where you will because the enemy a dumb monkey, I had that vs a Yi when I decided to give her a try, he kept tower diving me and I kept stunning him there for him to die, but outside of those scenarios, Riven isn't something you can play instantly, you need some practice on before you can win with, yet Zed's high win rates for his supposed difficulty showcase that he's actually easy to pick up and win with. That's the main reason why I posted the stats for her. If she's OP at her difficulty, the Zed is borderline toxic. Plus, in higher elos, their win rates are similar until challenger, where he outclasses her hard.
: Interesting. I never knew that. Fascinating.
Good luck if you decide to try it, and hf.
: Huh.
Yep, that's her best rune combo in high elo and in general. It's just some wacky build where she simply outsustains you if you can't burst her down instantly, but that build requires a bit more of a different playstyle early than your normal Electrokat build. The rune build itself in challenger has a 60% win rate as her highest win rate rune setup being Conqueror, Triumph, Tenacity, Coup de Grace, Sudden Impact and Ravenous, with Conqueror being her highest winrate Rune, followed 2nd by Electrocute. (58% v 56%)
: Nice to see someone actually analyzing stats. Doesn't change the fact that OP outright lied (such as the situation he described having never happened), but his lying doesn't inherently mean Zed isn't OP.
Too bad Zed won't be nerfed. I mean, have you seen the r/zedmains after the revert of some of his buffs that made him so strong? "Zed is now barely playable for 1 patch and they gut him again". Zed needs a minirework, most especially to that passive.
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