: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EucKbq0u,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-23T16:38:02.772+0000) > > Imagine Garen summoning the hammer to him like Cap did in Endgame with Mjolnir. It'd be awesom GODDAMN IT MAN
> [{quoted}](name=mrmeddyman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EucKbq0u,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-23T21:09:01.064+0000) > > GODDAMN IT MAN ? What
: It'd be an interesting development if Poppy weren't the hero. And several story elements point to that actually being the case. First and foremost, it never mentions that she can do anything with the hammer that Orlon could not. She trained with him for years. If the things she can do with it weren't similar to what he could do, she'd have noticed. And in the monster hunter story, there are two important details that point to her not being the hero depicted. First being that they're braids, not pigtails. But second and more important being that it doesn't mention her ever being where she's headed in search of him. Your claim that yordles "don't understand the passage of time" and can think they're somewhere else doesn't have any basis. **** It's almost definitely a joke about her being oblivious, but all of the concrete details in the story actually point to her not being the hero. Just imagine what the true hero can do with the hammer, if Poppy can do this much.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EucKbq0u,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-23T16:34:54.356+0000) > > It'd be an interesting development if Poppy weren't the hero. And several story elements point to that actually being the case. > > First and foremost, it never mentions that she can do anything with the hammer that Orlon could not. She trained with him for years. If the things she can do with it weren't similar to what he could do, she'd have noticed. > > And in the monster hunter story, there are two important details that point to her not being the hero depicted. First being that they're braids, not pigtails. But second and more important being that it doesn't mention her ever being where she's headed in search of him. Your claim that yordles "don't understand the passage of time" and can think they're somewhere else doesn't have any basis. > **** > > It's almost definitely a joke about her being oblivious, but all of the concrete details in the story actually point to her not being the hero. > Just imagine what the true hero can do with the hammer, if Poppy can do this much. Imagine Garen summoning the hammer to him like Cap did in Endgame with Mjolnir. It'd be awesome
: Thought you meant in TFT. Nasus has been around longer and is more learned but has never dabbled in statescraft. 20 years of actually running an empire is more valuable than 10,000 years of studying it. Swain
> [{quoted}](name=mrmeddyman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qvRdgKUQ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-22T03:36:09.174+0000) > > Thought you meant in TFT. > > Nasus has been around longer and is more learned but has never dabbled in statescraft. 20 years of actually running an empire is more valuable than 10,000 years of studying it. > > Swain He didn't just learn it. He was the britghest generals Imperial Shurima ever had
: Nasus vs Swain in Tactics
Im gonna say Nasus contrary to the popular opinion. Why? Because, while his tactics are indeed old, Im gonna say that Imperial Shurima was more advanced than current Noxus overall, and much of the knowledge that Shurima had has been lost. So I don't think it's gonna be that big of a handicap for Nasus not being in any modern conflicts as for now. Nasus also has much more experience, and he was viewed as legendary strategist even as a human, by the largest empire in history of Runeterra. The only big advantage Swain has is his demon, which allows him much better scouting and knowing secrets, thus critical tactical info.
: The Ionia vs Noxus war was progressive. If Noxus had won, Ionia would have been a bunch of rebel tribes instead. That said, most events influence the lore of many champions outside the meant reaches. There are champions like Yasuo who won't be touched by any lore changes because he lives in exile and prefers to stay there no matter what. But take champions like LeBlanc. No matter what you do, if it involves ANY noxians, it will influence her in one way or another. Most of these lore events are built to involve the entire world. Like the Void Invasion. Fat chance it will stay within Shurima alone forever. Then there is Mordekaiser, the Black mist, Asol's Wrath, Darkins, the Mage Rebellion and several vengeful spirits like Brand. It will take years to conclude even half of that list. And in all likelyhood, champs might get removed, or changed like GP was on his supposed Death when MF yeeted his ship
> [{quoted}](name=Eternal Torment,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ifKki0Lg,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-06-21T00:40:03.046+0000) > > The Ionia vs Noxus war was progressive. If Noxus had won, Ionia would have been a bunch of rebel tribes instead. > > That said, most events influence the lore of many champions outside the meant reaches. There are champions like Yasuo who won't be touched by any lore changes because he lives in exile and prefers to stay there no matter what. > > But take champions like LeBlanc. No matter what you do, if it involves ANY noxians, it will influence her in one way or another. > > Most of these lore events are built to involve the entire world. Like the Void Invasion. Fat chance it will stay within Shurima alone forever. Then there is Mordekaiser, the Black mist, Asol's Wrath, Darkins, the Mage Rebellion and several vengeful spirits like Brand. > > It will take years to conclude even half of that list. And in all likelyhood, champs might get removed, or changed like GP was on his supposed Death when MF yeeted his ship 1. Game isn't conected to the lore so if a champ dies in-lore it doesn't mean it gets removed in-game 2. Brand is not a spirit
: Qiyana is kind of like the Tau in 40k By which I mean she hasn't quite realized she controls territory about the size of a _dime_ in the swimming pool that is Valoran, and is trying to pick a fight with the rest of it.
> [{quoted}](name=Trolosaurus,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=NxGA4eKn,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-20T14:30:29.059+0000) > > Qiyana is kind of like the Tau in 40k > By which I mean she hasn't quite realized she controls territory about the size of a _dime_ in the swimming pool that is Valoran, and is trying to pick a fight with the rest of it. Valoran is the name of the Northern Continent. Ixtal is on the Southern continent (Like Shurima and Mount Targon)
: Does Fizz's Shark Have a Name?
: 1) I imagine the same thing that would happen if anything else entered the Void - they would be instantly unmade. 2) This doesn't seem to be a question... 3) Lux's magic? Yes. 4) I mean... yes? They are fallen god-warriors. Probably easier to just consume the host and find a new one, though! 5) Are you that eager for Runeterra to end, and all storytelling and gameplay along with it? OKAY! Bultz requested it, everyone, that's what we're going to do! {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
> [{quoted}](name=Scathlocke,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=9lsvgAWz,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-20T18:46:34.315+0000) > > 1) I imagine the same thing that would happen if anything else entered the Void - they would be instantly unmade. > 2) This doesn't seem to be a question... > 3) Lux's magic? Yes. > 4) I mean... yes? They are fallen god-warriors. Probably easier to just consume the host and find a new one, though! > > 5) Are you that eager for Runeterra to end, and all storytelling and gameplay along with it? OKAY! Bultz requested it, everyone, that's what we're going to do! > > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} Wait I thought gameplay of LoL isn't conected to the lore.. unless you're talking about something else... hmmm.... HMMMMMM
: Nami finds the Aspect that can create a moonstone. Gets Moonstone. Returns to her village and saves it. The end. No more Nami in game? I understand you want some conclusions to some of the story lines, but how does that play out well into the game itself? Heck, some of the champions are directly linked to others, in a way that the only logical outcomes are the actual deaths of one or the other. Kha'zix/Rengar, for example.
> [{quoted}](name=FireGryph,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ifKki0Lg,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-20T13:43:16.088+0000) > > Nami finds the Aspect that can create a moonstone. Gets Moonstone. Returns to her village and saves it. The end. > > No more Nami in game? > > > I understand you want some conclusions to some of the story lines, but how does that play out well into the game itself? Heck, some of the champions are directly linked to others, in a way that the only logical outcomes are the actual deaths of one or the other. Kha'zix/Rengar, for example. Game is not conected to the lore
Falrein (EUW)
: For the Zed part, I'd imagine it more akin to her protecting the people Zed hurts for not defending Ionia. It even gave me an idea, given Soraka's prophecy at the end of The Dreaming Pool. Zed is not friendly with Vastayas, he's (well, in a way) a "bully" and Syndra has been through that. Interestingly, Kalan's children are Vastaya and she may, at some point, protect them from Zed. It'd make sense he'd try and hurt them given their father is seen as a traitor tbh. Well we've discussed that part quite a lot. I'm not sure about draining, but again, she's a walking Chernobyl, so I'd be interested in seeing the long-term effect of her fallout on people!
> [{quoted}](name=Falrein,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=w7okAJ0i,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-20T12:57:32.215+0000) > > For the Zed part, I'd imagine it more akin to her protecting the people Zed hurts for not defending Ionia. It even gave me an idea, given Soraka's prophecy at the end of The Dreaming Pool. Zed is not friendly with Vastayas, he's (well, in a way) a "bully" and Syndra has been through that. Interestingly, Kalan's children are Vastaya and she may, at some point, protect them from Zed. It'd make sense he'd try and hurt them given their father is seen as a traitor tbh. > > Well we've discussed that part quite a lot. I'm not sure about draining, but again, she's a walking Chernobyl, so I'd be interested in seeing the long-term effect of her fallout on people! I was thinking like something akin to the now non-canon SW force drain where Syndra drains the soul instead of life force and it's dark purple instead of red
Falrein (EUW)
: What I'd like to see from a Syndra color story
> Olddra GAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA LMAO Regarding her purpose/place, maybe she has something to do with Zed&Co draining magic from the land. Maybe they'll try to use her for that but she sees through the lies of the ~~Jedi~~ Order of Shadows and her goal will be to eliminate them or some shit idk Regarding power, maybe she can create some energy projections like Scarlet Witch in MCU albeit basic ones but super powerull in raw power (yes ik this is your og idea but Im repeating it here for people who aren't on the lore of league discord), or drain the spiritual essence of someone (if it sounds too much like a hax, remember that there would still be ways to counter that)
: What's with Qiyana's posture?
Well her arrogance is also childish (thinking she can take over the world when fucking Shurima with Azir are on the same continent as her tho to her defense she doesn't realise that yet)
: And then there's just me sitting there and wondering if Varus will ever become a full Darkin (seeing as he only just got his new body now). https://i.imgur.com/IsNWwpU.gif[]
> [{quoted}](name=Darkin Hybrid,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ifKki0Lg,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-20T08:07:32.914+0000) > > And then there's just me sitting there and wondering if Varus will ever become a full Darkin (seeing as he only just got his new body now). > > https://i.imgur.com/IsNWwpU.gif[] Hmmm I wonder how powerfull would Varus be with full control over his body
: When are we going to get actual conclusive events? (Like the Void)
First, they gotta finish setting it all up aka build the foundation. Second, Void is endgame. Many regional or champ plotlines must be continued/finished first. Rn Demacia event is going on (Sylas's rebellion). And even when it finishes, we still have many major plotlines for regions and their champs (ex: Shurima, Freljord, Ionia, Noxus etc)
Falrein (EUW)
: World Runes, while indeed a threat, I'm not sure how/why it would force them to fight together. It's more of a threat that needs to be hidden rather than fought - although I can see it happen if someone got their hands on it. Would be poetic since it's what brought them there first! Void... Why not, but I'm unsure I'd like every threat in the world to be Void related :/ Why not? :p
> [{quoted}](name=Falrein,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dEcLMKg7,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-06-19T18:43:25.411+0000) > > World Runes, while indeed a threat, I'm not sure how/why it would force them to fight together. It's more of a threat that needs to be hidden rather than fought - although I can see it happen if someone got their hands on it. Would be poetic since it's what brought them there first! Yeah but the thing is, I don't know how could Morgana and Kayle, even together, be able to fight against not just 1, but several World Rune shards. Thus as you said, it's more of a threat that needs to be hidden rather than fought. > Void... Why not, but I'm unsure I'd like every threat in the world to be Void related :/ > > Why not? :p Are there any Void fissures or any Void activity n Demacia that we know of?
Falrein (EUW)
: Kayle and Morgana - Thoughts, theories, and lore directions
Regarding Morgana, iirc she currently is hiding in DemacIan forests right? Now this is just a theory, but maybe she met Ryze once while he was going to secure a World Rune in his vault? Maybe Ryze taught her some neat secret magic ~~asspulls and the secret Joestar tehnique~~ spells/tricks for when Kayle returns (maybe in return for some help from Morgana or some shit)? Besides that, nice post. Your devotion to make quality posts which are also long (im saying it like a good thing because it is. Rarely you see long posts, and when you do, few of them are that quality and with such organisation). off topic now: I'm still away and I'm currently typing from a cheap old smartphone I found here. I'll be back in a few days (soon tm) on the Discord server. Prepare for some quality shitposts and theories for I have re-read some important info from lore
Bultz (NA)
: Darkin Question's
1. Tbh no clue 2. Naga easy. Naga is the closest thing we have to an actual God in lore. 3. Hahahhahahahahahahaha no. 4. Yes, through absorbing bodies (Aatrox) as well as them possesing the weilder of the weapon (does that count?) 5. Tbh prob never. The Darkins are powerfull but there are plently of bigger threats as well as people capable of beating them
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=mmekLwkx,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T13:34:55.698+0000) > > Old lore was super flawed and had no actual consequences because the summoners were too op and were stopping everything from happening. We have actual good writers now (iirc you're a wh40k fan. Some wh > 40k writers work for Riot narrative too and they wrote some of the best pieces of lore Runeterra has imho) and most of the lore is actually rly good. > It's ok if you liked the old lore, but the truth is that it had no way to go forward as an actual lore. It was there only as a supporting plate for the game There are always ways of moving the lore forward. Retcon some parts of it, and it would be fine. But no, previous writers took the worst idea they had. Removal of a center point of lore is unacceptable, and i don't care if new is interesting to some people. I simply refuse to conform to this stupid and lazy direction. I don't want to insult anyone who likes new world, everyone is free to love what they want, but don't act like old couldn't be expanded.
> [{quoted}](name=GreenKnight,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=mmekLwkx,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T14:15:19.603+0000) > > There are always ways of moving the lore forward. Retcon some parts of it, and it would be fine. But no, previous writers took the worst idea they had. > > Removal of a center point of lore is unacceptable, and i don't care if new is interesting to some people. I simply refuse to conform to this stupid and lazy direction. The thing is, the center point is what stopped the lore from being expanded and being more than just a support for the game. Summoners and the league were stopping any kind of important events or tension from happening because everyone would respawn. The nations were irrelevant and they didn't matter at all, all their armies infrastructure culture etc (basically some key points in SF and/or fantasty settings) were irrelevant. Not to mention they were badly written too. Noxus was a bunch of typically bad guys who scream EVIL who looked like a biker gang. Not to mention the skull mountain. Demacia was typical good kingdom with no flaws at all. Shurima was just a bunch of floating pyramids and that's all. Floating pyramids completly random and without any relevance. Not to mention Nasus's space library and him and Renekton being aliens. Overall, it lacked a lot of things and there was no conectivity betwen anything. > I don't want to insult anyone who likes new world, everyone is free to love what they want, but don't act like old couldn't be expanded. It's completly fine if you don't like the new lore, I was just trying to say that I don't get why are you still complaining so many years after. Just deal with it they aren't gonna bring back Institue of War (and I rly like that they won't because imo it was a bs excuse to have the champs fight each other. But complaining about the current lore without even reading it won't bring your own favourite back.).
: Who is the biggest threat to Runeterra?
I feel like the World Runes deserve a mention. They are basically nukes but anyone who gets their hands on them can use them
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=mmekLwkx,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T13:20:08.264+0000) > > Never said you have to but why is it that every time you comment about lore you shit on it without even reading it? Why would i read something that replaced old and established lore? Take it as a sort of defiance and protest. I simply refuse to be blinded by empty promises made by (previous) lazy writers who had no idea how to make a story go, and just removed all of it, in the name of "expanding the world" type of bull.
> [{quoted}](name=GreenKnight,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=mmekLwkx,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T13:26:08.645+0000) > > Why would i read something that replaced old and established lore? Take it as a sort of defiance and protest. > > I simply refuse to be blinded by empty promises made by (previous) lazy writers who had no idea how to make a story go, and just removed all of it, in the name of "expanding the world" type of bull. Old lore was super flawed and had no actual consequences because the summoners were too op and were stopping everything from happening. We have actual good writers now (iirc you're a wh40k fan. Some wh 40k writers work for Riot narrative too and they wrote some of the best pieces of lore Runeterra has imho) and most of the lore is actually rly good. It's ok if you liked the old lore, but the truth is that it had no way to go forward as an actual lore. It was there only as a supporting plate for the game
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=mmekLwkx,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T13:08:48.715+0000) > > Do you not have anything positive to say about the lore? Like at all? Hmm. I don't HAVE to read it?
> [{quoted}](name=GreenKnight,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=mmekLwkx,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T13:12:59.589+0000) > > Hmm. I don't HAVE to read it? Never said you have to but why is it that every time you comment about lore you shit on it without even reading it?
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > Who is the biggest threat to Runeterra Rewrites and removal of lore.
> [{quoted}](name=GreenKnight,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=mmekLwkx,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-18T09:31:17.070+0000) > > Rewrites and removal of lore. Do you not have anything positive to say about the lore? Like at all?
: I don't think Riot is going for Nazi route, especially since mages can be potential dangerous. Also, it is the best time to be a Demacia fan with the Lux Comic + Demacia Novella which probably will give us some more insight and hopefully some new point of view to work. (Even if I have to admit that I'm pretty done with Lux for the time, I want the other Demacias to shine as well).
> [{quoted}](name=Lady Faceless,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=r44e2pMt,comment-id=0008000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-15T10:45:21.472+0000) > > I don't think Riot is going for Nazi route, especially since mages can be potential dangerous. > Also, it is the best time to be a Demacia fan with the Lux Comic + Demacia Novella which probably will give us some more insight and hopefully some new point of view to work. > > (Even if I have to admit that I'm pretty done with Lux for the time, I want the other Demacias to shine as well Lore progression too!
Terozu (NA)
: Because she hasn't ordered Sylas executed yet but trained Lux in the way of the sword and is a highly respectable person that would probably impress an impressionable young Lux? We've yet to see Lux fight one way or the other, only occasionally use a bit of magic for light or breaking a lock. Why would she have a weapon with her?
> [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=z4As4EkG,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-16T11:32:29.604+0000) > > Because she hasn't ordered Sylas executed yet but trained Lux in the way of the sword and is a highly respectable person that would probably impress an impressionable young Lux? > > We've yet to see Lux fight one way or the other, only occasionally use a bit of magic for light or breaking a lock. Why would she have a weapon with her? Actually we have seen her fight (more or less) in the rest of her lore
: ¿VGU to Vladimir?
I agree with most of what you said except this: >I don't know, maybe he would be curious. Many champions who are appearing new have some kind of dash, mobility mechanisms... Would mobility really fit Vladimir as a blood mage? Other than that, great post
MarcReady (EUW)
: Long post ahead, feel free to skip, I'm about to criticize lol lore as a whole. The lore as it is doesn't work, because there is no continuity: everytime there is a rework or a new champion, the previous lore gets scrapped or retconned, while older champions' stories are left in the dust, until their rework comes. The result is a colourful patchwork, with an ever-shifting shape. What about the darkin? they first were supposed to be divine aspects (aatrox as a god of war), then became demons and finally became corrupted ascended. While their origin changes, their story leads nowhere, we know nothing about what they're up to right now, everything seems so disconnected that I wonder if the champions even live in the same world anymore. The darkin never got to interact with each other. It's like there's an event that vaguely links champions togheter (an ancient conflict against the void, the fall of Shurima), but then there is nothing else after that and everything is left unfinished. I've begun to think that there is no real direction in lore, because there is no lore at all: Riot works on lore only when a champion or a rework is about to come live, they "update", that is, they butcher old champions' stories to make room for the new entry and then leave everything be. You can see the trend with Sion's new bio. When I looked at Sion's rework I would see a story that shaped a character. Riot created a solid starting plot, leaving hints (would Sion ever discover the truth about the "grand general"?) but then completely scrapped them recently, and that story has no meaning now, because Sion got retconned out of nowhere and he has no links with boram darkwill anymore. Now sion is a generic warlord from past times. Why? Because Riot needed to create a "tribal-background" for Runeterra to make reworked Mordekaiser's story fit in. It would be nice to have some kind of continuity, like conflicts, alliances, deaths and discoveries, but unfortunately, we'll never know how the story goes, because these stories are created for a release, ready to be butchered and re-stitched some time later. I'll leave you another example, so you can think about it: who is Poppy? How does she fit in the recently xenophobic Demacia? What's her role? When writing about new demacian events, Riot completely forgot about Poppy and now her lore makes no sense and stands as a relic of past times: completely left in the dust. We're also left in a dusty limbo and we'll never get to see how the stories go.
> [{quoted}](name=MarcReady,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nQcamkEG,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2019-06-15T17:06:04.446+0000) > > Long post ahead, feel free to skip, I'm about to criticize lol lore as a whole. > > The lore as it is doesn't work, because there is no continuity: everytime there is a rework or a new champion, the previous lore gets scrapped or retconned, while older champions' stories are left in the dust, until their rework comes. The result is a colourful patchwork, with an ever-shifting shape. > > What about the darkin? they first were supposed to be divine aspects (aatrox as a god of war), then became demons and finally became corrupted ascended. While their origin changes, their story leads nowhere, we know nothing about what they're up to right now, everything seems so disconnected that I wonder if the champions even live in the same world anymore. The darkin never got to interact with each other. It's like there's an event that vaguely links champions togheter (an ancient conflict against the void, the fall of Shurima), but then there is nothing else after that and everything is left unfinished. > I've begun to think that there is no real direction in lore, because there is no lore at all: Riot works on lore only when a champion or a rework is about to come live, they "update", that is, they butcher old champions' stories to make room for the new entry and then leave everything be. > You can see the trend with Sion's new bio. When I looked at Sion's rework I would see a story that shaped a character. Riot created a solid starting plot, leaving hints (would Sion ever discover the truth about the "grand general"?) but then completely scrapped them recently, and that story has no meaning now, because Sion got retconned out of nowhere and he has no links with boram darkwill anymore. Now sion is a generic warlord from past times. Why? Because Riot needed to create a "tribal-background" for Runeterra to make reworked Mordekaiser's story fit in. It would be nice to have some kind of continuity, like conflicts, alliances, deaths and discoveries, but unfortunately, we'll never know how the story goes, because these stories are created for a release, ready to be butchered and re-stitched some time later. I'll leave you another example, so you can think about it: who is Poppy? How does she fit in the recently xenophobic Demacia? What's her role? When writing about new demacian events, Riot completely forgot about Poppy and now her lore makes no sense and stands as a relic of past times: completely left in the dust. We're also left in a dusty limbo and we'll never get to see how the stories go. They are trying to set up the world of Runeterra first before going into continuing it. But they ARE starting to continue it (look at Demacia more specifically Sylas's rebellion)
Jaspers (EUW)
: Wow, I couldn't think Shurima could get lower. First Ascending only warriors then actual murderers. So much for 'Worthy'. I highly doubt any priest said okay to that if Nasus was a struggler to get Ascended.
> [{quoted}](name=Jaspers,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nQcamkEG,comment-id=0002000300000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T23:17:44.757+0000) > > Wow, I couldn't think Shurima could get lower. First Ascending only warriors then actual murderers. So much for 'Worthy'. I highly doubt any priest said okay to that if Nasus was a struggler to get Ascended. Maybe they ascended warriors because they were using Ascended as weapons....? The Darkins weren't murderers before going crazy.
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=w049nx5A,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2019-06-12T14:03:58.879+0000) > > No mention of my boy bird man I see {{champion:268}} i thought about him but... i dont think azir and his army of UNDEAD will be quite efficient vs mord
> [{quoted}](name=QuadraBananas,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=w049nx5A,comment-id=000500010000,timestamp=2019-06-14T05:41:08.630+0000) > > i thought about him but... i dont think azir and his army of UNDEAD will be quite efficient vs mord They are not undead. They are sand shaped like soldiers (soldiers that are now dead but the sand soldiers aren't the same as the now dead ones)
: Demacia: Jarvan III is the king and is the leader, because it's a feudal system his power is vested in the power of the royal houses that act as his vassals like the Crownguards: Garen and Luxs family or Fioras' family the Laurents. Jarvan IV is only the prince atm and is next in line to take the throne after his father dies. Noxus Trifarix: Swain, Darius and The Masked Lady (prolly LeBlanc) hold equal power after Swain deposed Boram Darkwill, prior Emperor of Noxus, he reformed the government so that one person couldn't have too much power. Freljord: No official "leader", as most of the the Freljord is tundra and wildlands but the biggest tribes are the Avarosans with Ashe as their leader, Sejuani as the leader of the Winters' Claw and Lissandra leading the Frostborn all in conflict to be the dominant tribe. Shurima: Azir only controls the area around the Sun Disc and the newly arisen capital of Shurima, The northern shore of Shurima is voluntarily assimiliated under the Noxus banner, everyone else in Shurima is either an independant city-state who hasn't allied either way or a nomadic tribe. Xerath is starting an empire of his own in Nerizameth Ionia, Split into several regional provinces, each with their own governors. The closest thing Ionia has to a leader in Champion terms is Karma as she is their spiritual leader. People who still resist Noxus look to Irelia as a martial leader. Shen and the Kinkou probably hold some sway when they care to intervene in mortal affairs and Zed controls his Shadow Assassins and whatever lands they hold. Bilgewater: After ousting Gangplank, Miss Fortune holds a tenous grasp on most of the gangs in Bilgewater. Shadow Isles: Mordekaiser is no longer a Shadow Isles champ in any capacity. His new lore never places him there now he is a Noxus champion. Every spirit that is in the Black Mist is a slave to the mist itself, although there is a pecking order where the stronger spirits like Thresh, Hecarim and Karthus toment the weaker ones. Ixatl: Qiyanas' parents rule over Ixaocan, which is the cardinal arcology in Ixatl. Piltover: The merchant clans and the largest families hold most of the influence here. Meaning Ferros (Camilles' family), Medarda and Giopara are probably the biggest ones Zaun: The chem-barons and their gangs control all of Zaun and have chopped it up neatly between them. Urgot is a leader of his anarchism movement (If such a movement can have a leader.) Mount Targon: The Solari, Leonas' tribe holds the most power and forces their dominant religion on the rest, the Rakkor are technically the bigger and more powerful tribe, but they have assimilated their traditions and the Solari religion and take orders from Solari priests. The Lunari are a smaller sect who are persecuted by the Solari for worshipping the moon and mostly stay in hiding. Void: The Watchers
> [{quoted}](name=mrmeddyman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=w48EKEuA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-13T02:59:45.725+0000) > > Demacia: Jarvan III is the king and is the leader, because it's a feudal system his power is vested in the power of the royal houses that act as his vassals like the Crownguards: Garen and Luxs family or Fioras' family the Laurents. Jarvan IV is only the prince atm and is next in line to take the throne after his father dies. True > Noxus Trifarix: Swain, Darius and The Masked Lady (prolly LeBlanc) hold equal power after Swain deposed Boram Darkwill, prior Emperor of Noxus, he reformed the government so that one person couldn't have too much power. Again true > Freljord: No official "leader", as most of the the Freljord is tundra and wildlands but the biggest tribes are the Avarosans with Ashe as their leader, Sejuani as the leader of the Winters' Claw and Lissandra leading the Frostborn all in conflict to be the dominant tribe. True again although they are called Frostguard not Frostborn (and they also have a high religious influence through the Freljord) > Shurima: Azir only controls the area around the Sun Disc and the newly arisen capital of Shurima, The northern shore of Shurima is voluntarily assimiliated under the Noxus banner, everyone else in Shurima is either an independant city-state who hasn't allied either way or a nomadic tribe. Xerath is starting an empire of his own in Nerizameth Bloodline and Taliah's story in tbe capital happened 5 years ago based on some calculations we made on the Discord lore server. By that time, a lot of people from South and East were coming to the capital and most of them went into it when Azir offered protection. Sivir also said more will come and not just from South and East. Therefore I think it's safe to say that unless the civil war in Shurima against Xerath already ended in those 5 years, Azir is the leader of a much wider area (some cities are rly pro-Azir like Nashramae which still venerated the Ascended and Ancient glory days of the empire). Also, not all of Northen coast joined Noxus willingly. A few did, but some were taken by force. Ex: Bel'Zhun has rebelions against Noxian ocupation according to the Piltover map of that area, Swain got his fame as a general in military campaigns in Northern Shurima. You're right about Xerath tho. He rn is in Nerimazeth and I assume his influence spread a bit too over other tribes and cities close to Nerimazeth, whether through manipulation and deceviery and lies told by Xerath, or them worshipping Xerath cause of his incredible power. > Ionia, Split into several regional provinces, each with their own governors. The closest thing Ionia has to a leader in Champion terms is Karma as she is their spiritual leader. People who still resist Noxus look to Irelia as a martial leader. Shen and the Kinkou probably hold some sway when they care to intervene in mortal affairs and Zed controls his Shadow Assassins and whatever lands they hold. P much yes but I'd add to that the fact that elders are usually the ones in power in those provincies. > Bilgewater: After ousting Gangplank, Miss Fortune holds a tenous grasp on most of the gangs in Bilgewater. True > Shadow Isles: Mordekaiser is no longer a Shadow Isles champ in any capacity. His new lore never places him there now he is a Noxus champion. Every spirit that is in the Black Mist is a slave to the mist itself, although there is a pecking order where the stronger spirits like Thresh, Hecarim and Karthus toment the weaker ones. Also true > Ixatl: Qiyanas' parents rule over Ixaocan, which is the cardinal arcology in Ixatl. True again > Piltover: The merchant clans and the largest families hold most of the influence here. Meaning Ferros (Camilles' family), Medarda and Giopara are probably the biggest ones Once again true, it's an aristoctatic oligarchy. > Zaun: The chem-barons and their gangs control all of Zaun and have chopped it up neatly between them. Urgot is a leader of his anarchism movement (If such a movement can have a leader.) True > Mount Targon: The Solari, Leonas' tribe holds the most power and forces their dominant religion on the rest, the Rakkor are technically the bigger and more powerful tribe, but they have assimilated their traditions and the Solari religion and take orders from Solari priests. The Lunari are a smaller sect who are persecuted by the Solari for worshipping the moon and mostly stay in hiding. True > Void: The Watchers True That's all I had to say
: How does Runeterra "copy" the Earth
Eeeeeh Idk about the modern Arabic area part because Nashramae is there too and it's a city that kept the ancient culture of Shurima a lot so it would be more Ancient Egypt (but all in all Shurima is a mix of ancient middle eastern/medietranean cultures so yeah)
: low odds but might still stand a chance: {{champion:266}} darkin, so ascended lvl of strenght at least {{champion:127}} power from a watcher or something i think {{champion:75}} ascended being {{champion:58}} same as susan {{champion:101}} op ascended {{champion:142}} i think ascended or something probably stronger: {{champion:34}} a god {{champion:516}} a god {{champion:106}} a god {{champion:432}} a celestial being (above a god) but he aint a fighter so idk stronger than mord for sure: {{champion:136}} he launch galaxies at people not a champion but, the watchers (only exist in lore) kinda strongest being in league {{champion:17}} mord fuked if he face him 1v1, he is the only reason the watchers dont dare invade runatera
> [{quoted}](name=QuadraBananas,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=w049nx5A,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-06-12T02:04:43.082+0000) > > low odds but might still stand a chance: > {{champion:266}} darkin, so ascended lvl of strenght at least > {{champion:127}} power from a watcher or something i think > {{champion:75}} ascended being > {{champion:58}} same as susan > {{champion:101}} op ascended > {{champion:142}} i think ascended or something > > probably stronger: > {{champion:34}} a god > {{champion:516}} a god > {{champion:106}} a god > {{champion:432}} a celestial being (above a god) but he aint a fighter so idk > > stronger than mord for sure: > {{champion:136}} he launch galaxies at people > not a champion but, the watchers (only exist in lore) kinda strongest being in league > {{champion:17}} mord fuked if he face him 1v1, he is the only reason the watchers dont dare invade runatera No mention of my boy bird man I see {{champion:268}}
: I think the Ascended and the Aspects win since they are fueled by celestial energy which is superior to Morde's magic. Also, Morde can't be killed but it doesn't mean he is impossible to 1v1.
> [{quoted}](name=Pyronaaxa,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=w049nx5A,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-06-12T11:27:19.989+0000) > > I think the Ascended and the Aspects win since they are fueled by celestial energy which is superior to Morde's magic. > > Also, Morde can't be killed but it doesn't mean he is impossible to 1v1. There isn't a superior type of magic in the lore
Sancre (EUW)
: He could very well be the strongest one in the Humanoid champion group, still not sure how he would fare against the likes of Xerath, the Aspects or the strongest Voidborns, like Vel'koz or Cho'gath (once he gets reworked and given a place in Runeterra)
> [{quoted}](name=Sancre,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=w049nx5A,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-11T23:54:47.579+0000) > > He could very well be the strongest one in the Humanoid champion group, still not sure how he would fare against the likes of Xerath, the Aspects or the strongest Voidborns, like Vel'koz or Cho'gath (once he gets reworked and given a place in Runeterra) The aspects aren't that powerfull rn except for Zoe btw and possibly Pantheon (we'll see after the later's rework)
Arakadia (NA)
: Where is Helia mentioned?
> [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qW1cBtvh,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2019-06-11T02:00:26.891+0000) > > Where is Helia mentioned? Helia was the capital of the Blessed Isles which are now the Shadow Isles.
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qW1cBtvh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-10T11:09:02.465+0000) > > It didnt create Shurima. It joined Shurima and collaborated with them to create the Sun Disc and presumably other magical shit too. > They had an aestetic impact on Targon Buhru and Helia but that's about it. It didn't create Shurima although they were part of it once So, the English version just tells that many civilizations, such as Ixtal, helia, Buhru, they rose from the westward diaspora, not the Ixtal produces them, right?
> [{quoted}](name=My Fizz no ult,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qW1cBtvh,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-10T11:24:45.037+0000) > > So, the English version just tells that many civilizations, such as Ixtal, helia, Buhru, they rose from the westward diaspora, not the Ixtal produces them, right? It means that Ixtal has common origins with thoae listed
: Ixtal created Shurima, Buhru, Helia, and the ascetics of Targon?
It didnt create Shurima. It joined Shurima and collaborated with them to create the Sun Disc and presumably other magical shit too. They had an aestetic impact on Targon Buhru and Helia but that's about it. It didn't create Shurima although they were part of it once
zounet (EUW)
: really where, please?
> [{quoted}](name=zounet,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=YWYGZITd,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-06-10T06:47:26.095+0000) > > really > where, please? Iirc on twitter
: What region in Runeterra would you choose to live?
Shurima because the opportunities to fucking die there are so common. Xer'Sais, Malzahar, Xerath, raiders, dying from no water in the desert. Either that or you get to join Azir and basically live a normal life (as normal as possible in Shurima that is) if you're lucky you're a mage and get respected by everyone. For serious now probably Ixtal because it seems so far the only faction that isn't full of wars misery magic-haters etc. Plus it has some neat elemental magic so the chances to become a mage are big
: What region in Runeterra would you choose to live?
> Azir the person who destroyed it in the first place and the other ascended wreaking havoc is a significant problem. It was Xerath who destroyed it tho
: Ok so my breakdown of this is the following: Elemental magic, Celestial magic and Spirit magic are the three big types of magic that all the specific ones derive from these three combining in different ways. These three are the big three because they each correlate from a realm of existence of magic into three realms. Elemental (The Physical plane of Reality aka Runeterra which is comprised of the Elements) Spiritual (Spirit Realm) and Celestial (Outer Targon/The Cosmos). The Void is also a "realm" but its more like an anti-realm. The nothing that gives contrast and meaning to reality so their Void "magic" isn't really magic as you would expect from the Void lol Lets start with Elemental. Remember when {{champion:13}} demonstrated his Elemental magic, lighting a fire and explaining magic to Brand. Ryze technically is an Elemental mage as well as a Celestial one in a sense. Brand himself is on fire (definitely Elemental) and yet a product of the Runes. It actually makes sense that Runic magic is Elemental + Celestial. > Kegan was getting frustrated now. “But that’s how magic works. That’s what my mother always did. She wanted it to do something, so she made it happen.” >The sorcerer suppressed a wince of irritation. “You don’t need to make magic happen. Magic exists in the world. The raw stuff of creation is all around us. You do not need to clutch it, and bend it to your needs. You can just… encourage it. Direct it along the path you would prefer it to take. Runic magic being both celestial and elemental makes some sense. The Runes were tools used by other beings to create the realm of existence: The Physical Realm. Humans excel at elemental magic because its' very real to us. We can comprehend fire, water, air, time because we are intune with these elements that comprise our world. We can touch, feel and truly understand all of them. Because the elements are physical and not ethereal or transcendental like Spirit and Celestial respectively, it already exists in the world and Runeterrans simply _direct it_. The Runes are Physical AND Celestial. The Runes are basically Reality given form. Chronomancy seems like it should be celestial as its' more of a in depth construct than something like fire. Humans still comprehend and are directly effected by time though so it could still qualify as an element. Just a much deeper one. With Bandle City and Mordekaiser we've learned of the Spirit Realm. They both exists in different planes of this realm and so Yordle magic and Necromantic magic are related if that makes sense. Same with Vastaya magic since the Vastayhsa'rei were spiritual and shadow magic from Nocturnes' bio also is spirit magic. I don't Understand why Hemomancy {{champion:8}} is Elemental and Spiritual tbh. If it was passed down from the Darkin who were once Ascended it should be Elemental and Celestial just like Runic magic. Hextech makes perfect sense though. Elemental magic ({{champion:126}} hammer uses electricty, {{champion:254}} Gauntlets are pneumatic so pressure from compressed air). The Spirit component comes from {{champion:72}} Brackern crystals which house the literal SOULS of his kin, making it just like Mordekaiser spirit magic. > Skarner and his kin are known for their great wisdom and deep connection to the land, as their souls are fused with powerful life crystals which hold the living thoughts and memories of their ancestors. The tech is just a more optimal housing for humans that aren't gifted with magic to use it. Like an iPhone empowering someone who can't program in a way. All that in mind look at {{champion:245}} now: Element (Chromomancy) + Spirit (Brackern Soul) + Tech (Z-Drive) and boom Hextech Time Magic! It's clear Riot has been putting some serious thought into encoding a hard magic system and all the stories from the last year have been teaching us some of the fundamentals. Go back and read these for more context on each of the big three: Elemental - Ryze and Brand (From The Ashes), Ixtal (Region) and Qylana Celestial - The Darkin (Twilight of the Gods) , Soraka (Halfway Between the Stars and Earth), Spiritual - Neeko (The Monster of Kalduga Outpost), Mordekaiser (The Final Reign), Bandle City (The Whispering Doodad), Nocturne bio Within this framework all of these stories become richer because now magic isn't just magic like in a soft magic system it's SCIENCE and it makes sense.
> [{quoted}](name=mrmeddyman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AzY1Zknf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-10T00:39:55.638+0000) > > Ok so my breakdown of this is the following: Elemental magic, Celestial magic and Spirit magic are the three big types of magic that all the specific ones derive from these three combining in different ways. > > These three are the big three because they each correlate from a realm of existence of magic into three realms. > > Elemental (The Physical plane of Reality aka Runeterra which is comprised of the Elements) Spiritual (Spirit Realm) and Celestial (Outer Targon/The Cosmos). > > The Void is also a "realm" but its more like an anti-realm. The nothing that gives contrast and meaning to reality so their Void "magic" isn't really magic as you would expect from the Void lol > > Lets start with Elemental. Remember when {{champion:13}} demonstrated his Elemental magic, lighting a fire and explaining magic to Brand. Ryze technically is an Elemental mage as well as a Celestial one in a sense. Brand himself is on fire (definitely Elemental) and yet a product of the Runes. It actually makes sense that Runic magic is Elemental + Celestial. > > Runic magic being both celestial and elemental makes some sense. The Runes were tools used by other beings to create the realm of existence: The Physical Realm. Humans excel at elemental magic because its' very real to us. We can comprehend fire, water, air, time because we are intune with these elements that comprise our world. We can touch, feel and truly understand all of them. Because the elements are physical and not ethereal or transcendental like Spirit and Celestial respectively, it already exists in the world and Runeterrans simply _direct it_. The Runes are Physical AND Celestial. The Runes are basically Reality given form. > > Chronomancy seems like it should be celestial as its' more of a in depth construct than something like fire. Humans still comprehend and are directly effected by time though so it could still qualify as an element. Just a much deeper one. > > With Bandle City and Mordekaiser we've learned of the Spirit Realm. They both exists in different planes of this realm and so Yordle magic and Necromantic magic are related if that makes sense. Same with Vastaya magic since the Vastayhsa'rei were spiritual and shadow magic from Nocturnes' bio also is spirit magic. > > I don't Understand why Hemomancy {{champion:8}} is Elemental and Spiritual tbh. If it was passed down from the Darkin who were once Ascended it should be Elemental and Celestial just like Runic magic. > > Hextech makes perfect sense though. Elemental magic ({{champion:126}} hammer uses electricty, {{champion:254}} Gauntlets are pneumatic so pressure from compressed air). > > The Spirit component comes from {{champion:72}} Brackern crystals which house the literal SOULS of his kin, making it just like Mordekaiser spirit magic. > > All that in mind look at {{champion:245}} now: Element (Chromomancy) + Spirit (Brackern Soul) + Tech (Z-Drive) and boom Hextech Time Magic! > > It's clear Riot has been putting some serious thought into encoding a hard magic system and all the stories from the last year have been teaching us some of the fundamentals. > > Go back and read these for more context on each of the big three: > > Elemental - Ryze and Brand (From The Ashes), Ixtal (Region) and Qylana > Celestial - The Darkin (Twilight of the Gods) , Soraka (Halfway Between the Stars and Earth), > Spiritual - Neeko (The Monster of Kalduga Outpost), Mordekaiser (The Final Reign), Bandle City (The Whispering Doodad), Nocturne bio > > Within this framework all of these stories become richer because now magic isn't just magic like in a soft magic system it's SCIENCE and it makes sense. My theory is that magic from the World Runes (aka the blue energy stuff Ryze and other mages use) is celestial energy that became an element of Runeterra upon it's creation, but unlike the other elements, it's not visible most of the time unless it's used
: Will it happen in Future
Well theoretically if Azir and Xerath weren't back then yes, but with conquest when Noxus would need to aka when Shurimans refuse to join. But now that Azir is back, Shurimans do have identity and many are remembering the days of the old empire in a good way, most being glad Azir is back. So Noxus's plan wouldn't work now since national identity among Shurimans would return (for those who it wasnt there from the first time that is) and economy is improving
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zZha1W18,comment-id=000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-09T19:59:41.305+0000) > > Again Shurimans natively arent all the same race and theres a lot of proof for that in the lore. > But no shit Qiyana isnt caucasian when her skin is dark Kaisa is not white, more like middle eastern.
> [{quoted}](name=JamalMagnus,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zZha1W18,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-10T01:34:35.761+0000) > > Kaisa is not white, more like middle eastern. I was more talking about skin color not ethnical origin cause those aren't the same in Runeterra. Her skin is tanned-white in color
Arakadia (NA)
: Yes but for someone whose ancestors have been Shuriman for thousands of years, she really shouldn't look white. So considering she kind of breaks that logic, it isn't stupid to ask if Qiyana is supposed to be caucasian.
> [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zZha1W18,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-09T19:42:08.154+0000) > > Yes but for someone whose ancestors have been Shuriman for thousands of years, she really shouldn't look white. So considering she kind of breaks that logic, it isn't stupid to ask if Qiyana is supposed to be caucasian. Again Shurimans natively arent all the same race and theres a lot of proof for that in the lore. But no shit Qiyana isnt caucasian when her skin is dark
: Confusing details about Lore and the world of League
Skins aren't canon tho so dark star is false
zounet (EUW)
: elemental magic
> It is obvious that these two magics are related Except they aren't. A Rioter said on twitter once that the only cause where they are related is with the elemental borns in Freljord cause it has something to do with the Spirit Gods influence.
: Ixtal and what lies beyond of known Runeterra
I must say I rly like the thought of Shurimans colaborating with Ixaocans to expand on magic.
Arakadia (NA)
: To be fair Sivir is pretty white looking for a Shuriman.
> [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zZha1W18,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-09T04:20:20.177+0000) > > To be fair Sivir is pretty white looking for a Shuriman. Shurima has more races than one since it's so vast. But even white people there have tanned skin because of the sun (see Sivir for example. Or pre-Void Kassadin/Malzahar)
Zyranium (EUW)
: Caucasians can also have a darker skin. {{champion:145}} looks caucasian, but her ethnicity is shuriman, because north-africans are as caucasians as europeans since they're from the same race. Same for any "dark skinned" champion, the only racially black we know are Pyke, Lucian, Ekko and maybe Karma. So yes, she is caucasian, just really tanned.
> [{quoted}](name=Zyranium,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zZha1W18,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-09T15:58:27.706+0000) > > Caucasians can also have a darker skin. > > {{champion:145}} looks caucasian, but her ethnicity is shuriman, because north-africans are as caucasians as europeans since they're from the same race. > > Same for any "dark skinned" champion, the only racially black we know are Pyke, Lucian, Ekko and maybe Karma. > So yes, she is caucasian, just really tanned. The word you're looking for Kai'Sa is tanned. Shurima has more than 1 race but ethnically they are all Shurimans. Qiyana is not white tho. She is hispanic (in skin color that is).
: Azir vs Aatrox
Azir is a natural counter to Aatrox actually. In order for the later to become super powerfull, he would need to consume flesh of an entire army. Azir's sand soldiers are from sand. Thus Aatrox gets incapacitated back to his blade (he cant die but incaps count as wins) To that add Azir's immense control over the sand. So no way he would be even able to reach Azir cause all the shit Azir could do with sand (he casually raised millions of tons of sand that were burying Shurima's capital when he raised it with only a gesture. If someone wants I can send the before Azir and after Azir images of the capital to make an idea how much sand he raised)
: Pure power trumps discipline when the difference is too great. And naturally her child years werent impressive, i mean sure she caused some sensitive tree to fall apart but ok? The impressive part comes in when she still as a child brings up so much power that Ironia itself seals her off into that pond to have nightmares for years on end......and she doesnt break from it. Instead she actually gains control, and power from it. Its kinda like the purely mentally focused equivalent of Urgot, but aimed at a child, forced to experience her trauma and nightmares over and over but with no memory of it repeating thus taking it at full impact each time. She by the time she got sealed off she was already an archmage in power, and she was quasi ascended once she woke up with control. And there is a notable point, Mordekaiser can be beaten if his armor is smashed and scrubbed. Sure he did plan for it the last time around, he knew there were others planning to backstabb him but he did want to go back to the death realm to start construction with the conscripted souls he had. But so? The scariest thing about him isnt really pure power, its the fact that he cant be permanently killed, going by this he easily trumps any normal mortal warrior or mage that much is easy to see, but a mage that can toss his ass into the sun? We even have ninjas that are into spirit killing around. Quantity is a quality of its own, and Syndra applies that to the concept of sheer power well enough, and while bitter and disappointed about the way she was treated i recall rioteers stating that she doesnt actually hate or dislike people from other places aside form Ionia. Thus she has reason, and heaps of power, and by far most impressive, she is still human, not some transformed transcendent entity unlike the average big powerhouses we see in league. If she is so strong despite having only barely woken up after going to sleep at -.........15-17? Until 20-24 then how strong will she be by 30? 40? Looking at Ryze a powerful mage can live for a long time so her potential is indeed immeasurable, for while she lacks the skill of the mentioned Ryze she has far more potential than he ever did as he started out as a fairly talented but extremely hardworking normal mage. Not to diminish him though, his skills are so good that he resisted a high ranking void mental attack and even counterspelled the thing into the face so hard it ran off. ......Hm from a purely theoretical standpoint it would be pretty amusing to have Syndra become Ryze´s student, power meets experience, knowledge and refinement- Well point in case, Syndra has the potential to be ridiculously amazing, Mordekaiser is already quite so but he too started out as a normal human but one who had exceptional willpower, in a way similar to Ryze. So as i see it,,,,,if Syndra keeps going and doesnt stop she just wins, because talent factors are too high, and she even has something that is hard to say how it interacts with Mordekaiser. Remember that tree she "killed"? It was some semi spirit lifeform that died because it got infused with her overwhelmingly negative aura as a child, meaning her magic affects spirits. That wasnt even intentional, so imagine if she turns that island shifting powers on hers towards Mordekaisers armor? I dont see him winning that, not at all, rather i have this sense of deja vu from that sence in X-men where dark phoenix goes ....ham on the professor. And it might just have the same effect on the spirit as it has on the armor in this case.
> [{quoted}](name=Thefrostyviking,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=OLApZAyR,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-08T06:58:24.731+0000) > > Pure power trumps discipline when the difference is too great. > > And naturally her child years werent impressive, i mean sure she caused some sensitive tree to fall apart but ok? > > The impressive part comes in when she still as a child brings up so much power that Ironia itself seals her off into that pond to have nightmares for years on end......and she doesnt break from it. > > Instead she actually gains control, and power from it. > > Its kinda like the purely mentally focused equivalent of Urgot, but aimed at a child, forced to experience her trauma and nightmares over and over but with no memory of it repeating thus taking it at full impact each time. > > > She by the time she got sealed off she was already an archmage in power, and she was quasi ascended once she woke up with control. > > > And there is a notable point, Mordekaiser can be beaten if his armor is smashed and scrubbed. > > > Sure he did plan for it the last time around, he knew there were others planning to backstabb him but he did want to go back to the death realm to start construction with the conscripted souls he had. > > > But so? The scariest thing about him isnt really pure power, its the fact that he cant be permanently killed, going by this he easily trumps any normal mortal warrior or mage that much is easy to see, but a mage that can toss his ass into the sun? > > We even have ninjas that are into spirit killing around. > > > Quantity is a quality of its own, and Syndra applies that to the concept of sheer power well enough, and while bitter and disappointed about the way she was treated i recall rioteers stating that she doesnt actually hate or dislike people from other places aside form Ionia. > > > Thus she has reason, and heaps of power, and by far most impressive, she is still human, not some transformed transcendent entity unlike the average big powerhouses we see in league. > > > If she is so strong despite having only barely woken up after going to sleep at -.........15-17? Until 20-24 then how strong will she be by 30? 40? > > Looking at Ryze a powerful mage can live for a long time so her potential is indeed immeasurable, for while she lacks the skill of the mentioned Ryze she has far more potential than he ever did as he started out as a fairly talented but extremely hardworking normal mage. > > Not to diminish him though, his skills are so good that he resisted a high ranking void mental attack and even counterspelled the thing into the face so hard it ran off. > > > ......Hm from a purely theoretical standpoint it would be pretty amusing to have Syndra become Ryze´s student, power meets experience, knowledge and refinement- > > > > Well point in case, Syndra has the potential to be ridiculously amazing, Mordekaiser is already quite so but he too started out as a normal human but one who had exceptional willpower, in a way similar to Ryze. > > > So as i see it,,,,,if Syndra keeps going and doesnt stop she just wins, because talent factors are too high, and she even has something that is hard to say how it interacts with Mordekaiser. > > Remember that tree she "killed"? It was some semi spirit lifeform that died because it got infused with her overwhelmingly negative aura as a child, meaning her magic affects spirits. > > That wasnt even intentional, so imagine if she turns that island shifting powers on hers towards Mordekaisers armor? > > > I dont see him winning that, not at all, rather i have this sense of deja vu from that sence in X-men where dark phoenix goes ....ham on the professor. > > > And it might just have the same effect on the spirit as it has on the armor in this case. Some things that I may correct > Not to diminish him though, his skills are so good that he resisted a high ranking void mental attack and even counterspelled the thing into the face so hard it ran off. He didnt make it run away. Nor was it a counter spell. He blew that shit up with an offensive spell. And also Syndra didn;t raise a whole island. She raised only half a fortress and sent shockwaves through the island. She didn't raise the whole island. And Ryze also has a lot of raw power. Not as much as Syndra, but much higher than an average mage. And he has refined it for 1000 years and trained it. He wasnt just an average mage.
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