: mage is girl class
> [{quoted}](name=GayrensTari,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=hiFsmoB4,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-24T12:27:22.100+0000) > > mage is girl class Ryze Xerath Azir Swain Vladimir The list goes on
9NexterCz9 (EUNE)
: Which story would you like to move forward after demacia ?
I'd like Shurima too. In the lore timeline, the last Shurima event to have happened was 5 years ago. Irl, last modern Shurima story was released like....idk 3-4 years ago? Cmon. Not to mention the Universe page gallery is...kinda dissapointing. Unlike other regions, it gives us no clue about Shuriman tools and weaponry or their military (hey it's been 7 years since Bird man and Xerath returned. They had a lot of time to raise armies), nor how some cities look besides the capital and Nashramae (and the capital has 4 images that are almost the same. No depiction showing it how the houses are built from an inside PoV). And on top of that all, unlike every other region, Shurima doesn't even have a dev blog video
Reav3 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LoveNacho,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=JsmKpOUA,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-08-21T23:04:19.921+0000) > > Are there going to be reworks in between those three champions? Or is it just going to be Fiddle>Voli>New Champ>New Champ>New Champ? Also, is the price going to change for Surprise Party, given that it is the only legendary in the game to be 975 RP, or is it going to stay at 975? Currently the plan is NewChamp>NewChamp>NewChamp>Fiddle>Volibear, though that is subject to change of course
> [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=JsmKpOUA,comment-id=000000010002,timestamp=2019-08-22T00:19:33.657+0000) > > Currently the plan is NewChamp>NewChamp>NewChamp>Fiddle>Volibear, though that is subject to change of course If you are allowed to answer, why did you (you as in Riot) decide to have Fiddle before Volibear (for the moment at least)? Wasn't Volibear the first in the voting poll?
Altaris7T (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EdpXURHv,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-19T19:01:30.149+0000) > > While Pantheon boosts a lot about being just a mortal, he still has god-like powers to some extent so no need to get mad. Also it was a cheap shot AATROX HAS KILLED GODS AND ASPECTS DRIVE HIM CRAZY HE HATES ASPECTS AND WILL NOT ONLY KILL THEM BUT WILL TURN THEM ALL INTO LITTLE SPECS OF DUST ATREUS IS NO EXCEPTION ATREUS WILL DIE AATROX KILLED PANTHEON - A GOD, BUT WAS KILLED BY A MORTAL?! IMPOSSIBLE AATROX WILL HET HIS REVENGE btw the lore team is just bad To enter Bandle city, you have to enter special portal hole thingies? Is this Alice in wonderland? Riot plz fix this shit
> [{quoted}](name=Altaris7T,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EdpXURHv,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-20T15:56:59.035+0000) > > AATROX HAS KILLED GODS AND ASPECTS DRIVE HIM CRAZY > HE HATES ASPECTS AND WILL NOT ONLY KILL THEM BUT WILL TURN THEM ALL INTO LITTLE SPECS OF DUST > ATREUS IS NO EXCEPTION > ATREUS WILL DIE > AATROX KILLED PANTHEON - A GOD, BUT WAS KILLED BY A MORTAL?! > IMPOSSIBLE > AATROX WILL HET HIS REVENGE > btw the lore team is just bad > To enter Bandle city, you have to enter special portal hole thingies? > Is this Alice in wonderland? > Riot plz fix this shit Jesus Christ calm the fuck down. Bandle City is in another dimension its totally logical they would need portals.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xU540E2d,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-17T22:21:21.420+0000) > > You say that as if Mordekaiser, the powerhungry overlord that wants to rule over everything, can learn to use Celestial magic, but he didnt because its boring or something... and neither did all the other mages that he has ever meet. The only idiots that bothered in obtainig Cosmic Magic are those who have godlike powers now... and Veigar. Okay sure. Well he was kinda bussy studying spiritual, death and mortal magicks so yeah. Maybe he just didn't have enough time for celestial? > ------------------------- > > But regardless if Celestial Magic is more or less powerfull than other types of magic, the point of the thread is who would win in a fight: Syndra or Veigar > > HOW would Syndra defeat Veigar? > > The very first thing that Syndra needs to do to defeat Veigar, is to actually notice that he is a threat to her... and Yordles have Glamour that prevents them of being noticed as threats at first. And even if she is not affected by the Glamour, she would understimate Veigar due her big ego (and everyone understimate Veigar). Veigar also tends to underestimate people > Then, she would have to find a way to kill the Yordle... and so far yordles seem to be hard to kill. Sure, she could try to send her balls towards him, throw a castle at Veigar or anything... But in the lore, Veigar should be able to stop those things with his trap and/or protect himself with magical enchantments (or escape using a portal). He can't create portals. Mordekaiser has bound him to Runeterra and thus he isn't able to use portals like other Yordles can. Also Syndra can also just pick up Veigar himself and throw him around. And since Veigar hasn't yet demonstrated some ability that could be usefull against continous telekinessis applied on him, yeah... > In other hand, the only 2 things that Veigar needs to do to kill her, is trap her in his stun, and stab her in the heart with the spikes of his gauntlet since she is a human and humans die when they are stabbed in the heart. While trapped, Syndra cant defend herself... that is actually part of her lore. Well she did stop an assasin from knifing her ass right after waking up by sheer force of will so yeah. The same trap argument goes against Veigar with Syndra's telekinessis directly applied to him but the difference is, the telekinessis is instant.
> [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xU540E2d,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2019-08-20T06:09:38.606+0000) > > The point is that, even if the Cosmic Magic was useful to Mordekaiser, Veigar was the only one able to use it... even if Morde has known tons of mages before and after meeting Veigar. He saw that the Magic of Veigar was going to be usefull for his war against the whole world, that is why he captured him. So...does that mean Veigar is more powerful than Morde or what? > The lore does not mention that he still bound to the physical realm. That breaks the whole point about Veigar doing what he does now by choice... Sure, he does not remember Bandle City specifically, but that is not because the spell that Mordekaiser used on him. The lore also doesnt mention that he ISN'T bound to the physical realm anymore. It does mention however that Morde binded him to the physical realm > Veigar TRIES to make himself more threatening, but it does not work. The Villagers in his short story did not saw Veigar as an acutal threat. That is the point, regarless if Veigar looks like a giant monster, and old man or a tiny child, he wont be percieved as a threat, Syndra wont be able to recognize the threat that he is until is too late for her. Fair point > And regardless of that, Syndra does not kill people for no reason (“I do not know who these Noxians are that you speak of,” Syndra replied. “But if they killed my people, then perhaps I owe them thanks. The only tyranny I experienced was at the hands of those I once called kin.”“Kill you?” said Syndra, her lip curling in rage. “No. That would be too clean an end for you.”), Veigar in other hand, does that... and feels proud about it ("Veigar, Great Master of Evil, who has defeated countless arcane foes in my quest for ever greater—”) She did kill one of those guys along with several Noxians in the warships she destroyed > In the lore, Veigar should still be able to use his magic if Syndra lift him, her magic does not work on a mental level like the stun of Veigar... Her "stun" does not "stun" the person completely. (When Syndra used her "stun" on a normal human being, the human "**struggled against it**, flailing wildly, but might as well have been **trying to fight the rising tide**. She was as helpless as a kitten in the mouth of its mother.") It actually does. She telekinetically stopped the ninja from killing her without any physical gesture. > The stun of Veigar is not instant in the game now due balance purposes (it was instant after all), but we do not know if it works like that in the lore... after all, most of the spells in game show an small portion of what champions can do in the lore for real. As long as it's not specified that it is instant in lore I'm not gonna say it is instant. I'm basing this off feats and statements
: > [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xU540E2d,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-17T22:21:21.420+0000) > > You say that as if Mordekaiser, the powerhungry overlord that wants to rule over everything, can learn to use Celestial magic, but he didnt because its boring or something... and neither did all the other mages that he has ever meet. The only idiots that bothered in obtainig Cosmic Magic are those who have godlike powers now... and Veigar. Okay sure. Well he was kinda bussy studying spiritual, death and mortal magicks so yeah. Maybe he just didn't have enough time for celestial? > ------------------------- > > But regardless if Celestial Magic is more or less powerfull than other types of magic, the point of the thread is who would win in a fight: Syndra or Veigar > > HOW would Syndra defeat Veigar? > > The very first thing that Syndra needs to do to defeat Veigar, is to actually notice that he is a threat to her... and Yordles have Glamour that prevents them of being noticed as threats at first. And even if she is not affected by the Glamour, she would understimate Veigar due her big ego (and everyone understimate Veigar). Veigar also tends to underestimate people > Then, she would have to find a way to kill the Yordle... and so far yordles seem to be hard to kill. Sure, she could try to send her balls towards him, throw a castle at Veigar or anything... But in the lore, Veigar should be able to stop those things with his trap and/or protect himself with magical enchantments (or escape using a portal). He can't create portals. Mordekaiser has bound him to Runeterra and thus he isn't able to use portals like other Yordles can. Also Syndra can also just pick up Veigar himself and throw him around. And since Veigar hasn't yet demonstrated some ability that could be usefull against continous telekinessis applied on him, yeah... > In other hand, the only 2 things that Veigar needs to do to kill her, is trap her in his stun, and stab her in the heart with the spikes of his gauntlet since she is a human and humans die when they are stabbed in the heart. While trapped, Syndra cant defend herself... that is actually part of her lore. Well she did stop an assasin from knifing her ass right after waking up by sheer force of will so yeah. The same trap argument goes against Veigar with Syndra's telekinessis directly applied to him but the difference is, the telekinessis is instant.
> [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xU540E2d,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-19T20:22:30.343+0000) > > Sure, neither did all the other mages that he knows... and he knows a lot of mages. I....dob't get your point here > Well, that is not something actually mentioned in the lore as far as i know. In other hand, it is stated in his lore that people understimate him. > > Normal yordles can use portals, but not all of them can create portals... that is why they need to go to specific places of Runeterra in order to enter to Bandle. If Veigar wasnt one of those yordles that can create portals (Like the master of Yumii), then Mordekaiser would not need to "bound Veigar to the physical plane" because imprison him in a jail would do the job (because he would be unable to reach the very specific places that most of the yordles use). The imprisonment of Veigar ended when when Mordekaiser was defeated, so, he is able to use the portals that Mordekaiser did not let him do once again. Veigar was imprisoned by Morde in 2 ways. Magically by being bound to this realm, and physically by being in...well a prison. He is still bounded to this realm. > You are missing the point mentioned before... Sure, she can kill Veigar, but in order to do that, the very first thing that Syndra needs to do to defeat Veigar, _is to actually notice that he is a threat to her... _ > > The problem for Syndra here, is that she would be dead before noticing that he is a threat to her. If Veigar attacks her, she dies. Simple as that. The one who attack first is the one who wins... and the Glamour prevents Syndra from doing that... Unless you tell me that she would use all her powers to instantly kill an small child (or something like that). Yordles don't look like small children when in glamour tho (most of the times). Plus Veigar uses his glamour to make himself more threatening > And Veigar has demostrated some ability that could be usefull against continous telekinessis applied on him... you know, the stun that is beyond human comprenhension since it feels like being trapped during an infinite (literally) moment. Only a timeless creature would not become insane if it get trapped by that thing. > > The key word here is... "right after waking up", she cant do that is she is dead before that. And even if she "wakes up" from the stun, she would not even remeber who is she, where she is or who is Veigar because the stun of Veigar fells like it is infinite and the human mind is not capable of grasping infinity, let alone feel it. Telekinesiss is instant. Is his stun instant?
Altaris7T (EUNE)
: What happened to Aatrox?
While Pantheon boosts a lot about being just a mortal, he still has god-like powers to some extent so no need to get mad. Also it was a cheap shot
: Aaaaaaa AhaaA Aaaaã Aaaaaaaaaaa! ~Taliyah and Pantheon
> [{quoted}](name=LordRedStone Nr1,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=anHMAsi3,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-19T14:23:59.714+0000) > > Aaaaaaa AhaaA Aaaaã Aaaaaaaaaaa! > ~Taliyah and Pantheon Pantheon's theme in-lore is actually him screaming while shitting
: I just started JJBA and I cant believe I wrote this off for so long. My favorite thing is just how they talk is so funny.
> [{quoted}](name=GedweyStenr,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ANnFKTR9,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-19T16:07:16.818+0000) > > I just started JJBA and I cant believe I wrote this off for so long. My favorite thing is just how they talk is so funny. I hope you didn't skip any parts
: Pantheon vs Shurima??
While Azir is well-intention about Shurima, he is still a conqueror so sooner or later he will start to expand after finishing rebuilding. Pantheon will just see him as another conquering god probably so yeah he would be against him
: > [{quoted}](name=The Iceborn,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=i4qZfEu4,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-18T16:43:47.598+0000) > > Everyone wants to stop powerful entities.. Exhibit A: {{champion:127}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:266}} > For Azir it would be tricky because Azit came back in good faith so it would be interesting to see what Pantheon thinks. Azir isn't a pure humanist, he is the monarch of an expansionist empire and has his own personal agenda. What is it that separates him from Xerath?
> [{quoted}](name=FulkoTheTroll,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=i4qZfEu4,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-08-18T21:31:50.799+0000) > > Azir isn't a pure humanist, he is the monarch of an expansionist empire and has his own personal agenda. What is it that separates him from Xerath? Azir wants to rebuild his nation and his people to glory, and is against slavery. Ironically, Xerath the once slave seems to be pro-slavery now or at least super dictatorial Both would want to expand if they win, but at least Azir cares about his nation and people so he would first take care of bis nation before going to expand. Tho Pantheon may not give a fuck since he is still tehnically a god (albeit one with human mind)
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xU540E2d,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-17T08:23:59.106+0000) > > Which may be because celestial magic had some uses Morde needed, and he didn't bother to learn it. Remember, he still kinda bitch slapped Veigar You say that as if Mordekaiser, the powerhungry overlord that wants to rule over everything, can learn to use Celestial magic, but he didnt because its boring or something... and neither did all the other mages that he has ever meet. The only idiots that bothered in obtainig Cosmic Magic are those who have godlike powers now... and Veigar. Okay sure. ------------------------- But regardless if Celestial Magic is more or less powerfull than other types of magic, the point of the thread is who would win in a fight: Syndra or Veigar HOW would Syndra defeat Veigar? The very first thing that Syndra needs to do to defeat Veigar, is to actually notice that he is a threat to her... and Yordles have Glamour that prevents them of being noticed as threats at first. And even if she is not affected by the Glamour, she would understimate Veigar due her big ego (and everyone understimate Veigar). Then, she would have to find a way to kill the Yordle... and so far yordles seem to be hard to kill. Sure, she could try to send her balls towards him, throw a castle at Veigar or anything... But in the lore, Veigar should be able to stop those things with his trap and/or protect himself with magical enchantments (or escape using a portal). In other hand, the only 2 things that Veigar needs to do to kill her, is trap her in his stun, and stab her in the heart with the spikes of his gauntlet since she is a human and humans die when they are stabbed in the heart. While trapped, Syndra cant defend herself... that is actually part of her lore.
> [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xU540E2d,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-17T22:21:21.420+0000) > > You say that as if Mordekaiser, the powerhungry overlord that wants to rule over everything, can learn to use Celestial magic, but he didnt because its boring or something... and neither did all the other mages that he has ever meet. The only idiots that bothered in obtainig Cosmic Magic are those who have godlike powers now... and Veigar. Okay sure. Well he was kinda bussy studying spiritual, death and mortal magicks so yeah. Maybe he just didn't have enough time for celestial? > ------------------------- > > But regardless if Celestial Magic is more or less powerfull than other types of magic, the point of the thread is who would win in a fight: Syndra or Veigar > > HOW would Syndra defeat Veigar? > > The very first thing that Syndra needs to do to defeat Veigar, is to actually notice that he is a threat to her... and Yordles have Glamour that prevents them of being noticed as threats at first. And even if she is not affected by the Glamour, she would understimate Veigar due her big ego (and everyone understimate Veigar). Veigar also tends to underestimate people > Then, she would have to find a way to kill the Yordle... and so far yordles seem to be hard to kill. Sure, she could try to send her balls towards him, throw a castle at Veigar or anything... But in the lore, Veigar should be able to stop those things with his trap and/or protect himself with magical enchantments (or escape using a portal). He can't create portals. Mordekaiser has bound him to Runeterra and thus he isn't able to use portals like other Yordles can. Also Syndra can also just pick up Veigar himself and throw him around. And since Veigar hasn't yet demonstrated some ability that could be usefull against continous telekinessis applied on him, yeah... > In other hand, the only 2 things that Veigar needs to do to kill her, is trap her in his stun, and stab her in the heart with the spikes of his gauntlet since she is a human and humans die when they are stabbed in the heart. While trapped, Syndra cant defend herself... that is actually part of her lore. Well she did stop an assasin from knifing her ass right after waking up by sheer force of will so yeah. The same trap argument goes against Veigar with Syndra's telekinessis directly applied to him but the difference is, the telekinessis is instant.
: https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_GB/story/pantheon-fallen-story/
> [{quoted}](name=Script or Stack,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=KLAW6e2W,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-08-17T18:05:20.662+0000) > > https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_GB/story/pantheon-fallen-story/ Yup I saw it. Great story.
Angyal (NA)
: Some thoughts about the Aftermath of the Mage Rebellion and Jarvan IV burning the letter.
Sounds much like Azir before he was betrayed by Xerath. Although I prefer Jarvan to have made that decision both from his rage at his father's death and political pov to not cause yet even more unrest in the political scene of Demacia (to give him some flaws too otherwise he would be the perfect king p much. And before you say it since it's such a big paralel to Jarvan's current situation no Azir is not the perfect king either cause while he wants to restore his nation and its people to greatness and is against slaves he is a conquerer so sooner or later he would start conquering other nations too Great post btw
Fasmodey (EUW)
: He doesn't suffer with being outdated but his potential isn't maximized. You can rework his passive, add new lines, update ultimate VFX to glory, add new animations like recall, taunt, joke animations, update his base model. Base skill animations don't need much I believe, maybe better SFX. He will be outdated one day though. His kit cannot be modern in the future without tweaks.
> [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=w9pLZaqp,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-17T09:40:12.740+0000) > > He doesn't suffer with being outdated but his potential isn't maximized. You can rework his passive, add new lines, update ultimate VFX to glory, add new animations like recall, taunt, joke animations, update his base model. Base skill animations don't need much I believe, maybe better SFX. > > He will be outdated one day though. His kit cannot be modern in the future without tweaks. If they add any mobility to Xerath I'll rage hard
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xU540E2d,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-17T06:54:30.462+0000) > > Morde didn't want to kill Veigar since he was using him as a tool Fair point. But consider this: Mordekaiser used Veigar as a tool and Mordekaiser is very powerful, because he (or any other mage that he knew (like Lebanc)) wasnt capable of doing things that Veigar can do. Mordekaiser, the dude who conquered half of the world, used Veigar to terrorize others... that alone is an impressive feat to consider. > There is no stronger or weaker magic type. Only stronger and weaker users but a magic type itself isn't automatically weaker than another I disagree. Im not an expert in physics but: "In physics, mass–energy equivalence states that anything having mass has an equivalent amount of energy and vice versa" Considering that, the energy required to... lets say... move a big rock is more than the energy required to move a feather. The same could be applied to magic, the energy that you need to use to call down the fury of stars, that are faaar away from Runeterra, is more than the energy that you would need to move a castle that is next to you. Sure, we could say that "its magic, so it doesnt need to follow the rules of physics"... But even if that is true, i dont think that the magic of... controling inmaterial souls is "as strong" as the magic of controling solid rocks (just an example). One thing is more complex than the other, if it is more complex, it is harder to master and control... Because it is more powerfull. Are you going to tell me that Rune magic, the magic that can literally destroy the world, is as strong as the hextech that Viktor uses to heat his sweetmilk? Its not. Sure that the person who uses the magic is important, as well, but you cant tell me that a magic that moves rocks is as powerfull as a magic that creates lasers of pure energy for example. > That is indeed true. But imo there's a difference. The raw power gap is much bigger here (until we see more of Veigar but atm Im basing this off what we saw), and Veigar doesn't have nearly as much experience or knowledge as Ryze Im not saying that Veigar has more experience than Ryze, but both of them have more experience and knowledge than Syndra. And the powergap thing depends if you think that using cosmic magic, that so far has only been used by the most powerful beings in LoL, is not that powerfull in comparison with moving a fortress... or not.
> [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xU540E2d,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-17T07:51:20.203+0000) > > Fair point. But consider this: Mordekaiser used Veigar as a tool and Mordekaiser is very powerful, because he (or any other mage that he knew (like Lebanc)) wasnt capable of doing things that Veigar can do. Mordekaiser, the dude who conquered half of the world, used Veigar to terrorize others... that alone is an impressive feat to consider. Which may be because celestial magic had some uses Morde needed, and he didn't bother to learn it. Remember, he still kinda bitch slapped Veigar > I disagree. Im not an expert in physics but: "In physics, mass–energy equivalence states that anything having mass has an equivalent amount of energy and vice versa" > > Considering that, the energy required to... lets say... move a big rock is more than the energy required to move a feather. The same could be applied to magic, the energy that you need to use to call down the fury of stars, that are faaar away from Runeterra, is more than the energy that you would need to move a castle that is next to you. > > Sure, we could say that "its magic, so it doesnt need to follow the rules of physics"... But even if that is true, i dont think that the magic of... controling inmaterial souls is "as strong" as the magic of controling solid rocks (just an example). One thing is more complex than the other, if it is more complex, it is harder to master and control... Because it is more powerfull. This is more headcanon-ish tbh. But we aren't even sure if the stars in the Runeterra universe act like they do irl. We know Runeterra is somehow not just a planet but a dimension of it's own so it's rly unclear. And while one thing may be more complex, it doesn't necesarly mean it's more powerful overall. I do belive a certain magic type is better at doing smth than the other are and same goes to each of the types, but it doesn't mean one is by itself overall more powerful. And the amount of force needed to do some irl physics calculation doesn't work because as you said, it's magic. Otherwise Ryze would generate energy greater than a World Rune does every time he teleports. > Are you going to tell me that Rune magic, the magic that can literally destroy the world, is as strong as the hextech that Viktor uses to heat his sweetmilk? Its not. Sure that the person who uses the magic is important, as well, but you cant tell me that a magic that moves rocks is as powerfull as a magic that creates lasers of pure energy for example. Hextech is not entirly magic. It's handicapped magic because it uses for the most part synthethic batteries of magical energy to power devices, tools and weapons. > Im not saying that Veigar has more experience than Ryze, but both of them have more experience and knowledge than Syndra. > > And the powergap thing depends if you think that using cosmic magic, that so far has only been used by the most powerful beings in LoL, is not that powerfull in comparison with moving a fortress... or not. Again I don't think there's a most powerful magic type
: Demacia and Noxus are small in comparison with Ionia as far as i know, Asking who is the most ionian champion is like asking who is the most "Valorian" (From Valoran) champion
> [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qETqgENO,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-17T00:32:44.723+0000) > > Demacia and Noxus are small in comparison with Ionia as far as i know, Asking who is the most ionian champion is like asking who is the most "Valorian" (From Valoran) champion Noxus has a much bigger territory than Ionia. Although you do have a point Ionia has a lot of cultures
: Sylas's Introduction has had more lore impact than any previous champion: Change my mind.
{{champion:268}} was more impactful from a lore pov. He brought back the best nation on Runeterra. ALL HAIL SHURIMA
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xU540E2d,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-16T08:18:41.899+0000) > > You are the one assuming a local village threat is bigger than an island-level threat. Powerscaling doesn't work that way. > > And Syndra killed several people, raised half a fucking fortress, she also killed her master who btw was also a wizard, and ravaged an entire island. > > Actually her powers directly harm spirits. > > It would be, if Veigar controled stars themselves. Fury of the starts doesn't necesarly mean stars themselves, but celestial magic in general > > Sure it would be, but so is telekinessis I just want to point out, that at first i posted the whole fortress and wizards thing as a joke... but whatever. "Harm" is not really the word that i would use... Spirits get corrupted by negative energies. That is what we see in the lore of Syndra and Veigar (and Maokai if i remember correctly). The Spirit of Ionia didnt wanted to be corrupted, so, it trapped Syndra. Sure, we could say that she managed to absorb the life essence of the Ghost-Willow and she could do the same with Veigar, but considering that he "worked" for Mordekaiser, i doubt that such thing would kill Veigar. Veigar is the perfect counter of Syndra. She is a mage that corrupts spirits due her negative energy until she gets trapped, and Veigar is a corruped spirit that gets stronger by negative enegies and knows how to trap people to stop them and kill them. Celestial magic in general is stronger than telekinessis. And by the way... i want to quote this: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xKEunYin,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-26T07:44:19.996+0000) > > Regarding the main topic, I'd say they are more or less equal with a slight edge to Ryze because **I tend to favour experience and knowledge of magic more than raw power.** Both are incredibly powerfull mages tho Guess who has more experience and knowledge than Syndra? That is right, Veigar. And im pretty sure that he has more raw power than her as well.
> [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xU540E2d,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-16T19:50:17.830+0000) > > I just want to point out, that at first i posted the whole fortress and wizards thing as a joke... but whatever. > > "Harm" is not really the word that i would use... Spirits get corrupted by negative energies. That is what we see in the lore of Syndra and Veigar (and Maokai if i remember correctly). The Spirit of Ionia didnt wanted to be corrupted, so, it trapped Syndra. Sure, we could say that she managed to absorb the life essence of the Ghost-Willow and she could do the same with Veigar, but considering that he "worked" for Mordekaiser, i doubt that such thing would kill Veigar. Morde didn't want to kill Veigar since he was using him as a tool > Veigar is the perfect counter of Syndra. She is a mage that corrupts spirits due her negative energy until she gets trapped, and Veigar is a corruped spirit that gets stronger by negative enegies and knows how to trap people to stop them and kill them. Fair point > Celestial magic in general is stronger than telekinessis. There is no stronger or weaker magic type. Only stronger and weaker users but a magic type itself isn't automatically weaker than another > And by the way... i want to quote this: > > Guess who has more experience and knowledge than Syndra? That is right, Veigar. And im pretty sure that he has more raw power than her as well. That is indeed true. But imo there's a difference. The raw power gap is much bigger here (until we see more of Veigar but atm Im basing this off what we saw), and Veigar doesn't have nearly as much experience or knowledge as Ryze
Fasmodey (EUW)
: If their powers weren't meant for combat, why would you imprison them in the first place? They are imprisoned to slain the other darkins, and these darkins needed to be among the strongest. I don't expect Shabaka and Shabake to wield weapons since they were seers but Cebotaru likely had. Nasus was a scholar and a general. He wasn't trained in combat primarily, but now, he is a terrible foe with his battle axe. Ascension can change your abilities. I assume all Ascended were anthropomorphic. Even if they weren't, they probably would have limbs to wield a weapon, like I don't know, tentacles?
> [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=YUmALvAO,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-16T15:19:00.996+0000) > > If their powers weren't meant for combat, why would you imprison them in the first place? They are imprisoned to slain the other darkins, and these darkins needed to be among the strongest. > > I don't expect Shabaka and Shabake to wield weapons since they were seers but Cebotaru likely had. > > Nasus was a scholar and a general. He wasn't trained in combat primarily, but now, he is a terrible foe with his battle axe. Ascension can change your abilities. > > I assume all Ascended were anthropomorphic. Even if they weren't, they probably would have limbs to wield a weapon, like I don't know, tentacles? What about magic-weilding Darkins? If you ask me magic is usually a far better combat tool in general. So, how would they imprison a more magic-oriented Darkin? If you ask me, I think that even those Darkins/Ascended had a weapon of some sorts. Maybe an artefact-weapon like a gauntlet with Horok's case, or a staff or some other thing like that
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xU540E2d,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-15T16:47:37.243+0000) > > But Syndra by herself has much greater feats than that NPC wizard so that doesn't mean Veigar would automatically be greater than her because of defeating that npc wizard, who was a local threat to a village while Syndra is a threat to the whole Ionia That is assuming things that we dont know for sure. But do you know what is 100% confirmed? That Veigar killed an evil wizard. Syndra didnt. So far, the only power that Syndra has is lifting things... Sure, she can lift super heavy things, but that is all. Her magic can affect spirits? I dont know, so, i cant say for sure that she could affect a timeless spirit like Veigar. The lore of Veigar in other hand states that he can: _"call down the fury of the stars themselves upon his foes, and trap them in the timeless infinities between moments."_ Using the power of multiple stars sound way more impressive than lifting a bunch of rocks. He is basically using the same power that {{champion:136}} ,{{champion:89}} use. And that "stun" that he can do seems like it would be terrifying. Also, lets not forget that {{champion:82}} got most of the things that he has thanks to the enchantments of Veigar, and that was BEFORE being corrupted by the tincan.
> [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xU540E2d,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-16T07:19:12.945+0000) > > That is assuming things that we dont know for sure. You are the one assuming a local village threat is bigger than an island-level threat. Powerscaling doesn't work that way. > But do you know what is 100% confirmed? > > That Veigar killed a wizard. Syndra didnt. And Syndra killed several people, raised half a fucking fortress, she also killed her master who btw was also a wizard, and ravaged an entire island. > So far, the only power that Syndra has is lifting things... Sure, she can lift super heavy things, but that is all. Her magic can affect spirits? I dont know, so, i cant say for sure that she could affect a timeless spirit like Veigar. Actually her powers directly harm spirits. >This powerful ability had been dormant until now. It flared with volatile strength, the orbs like pearls of negativity that leached the spirit magic from the world around her, draining the ghost-willow of its life essence. > The lore of Veigar in other hand states that he can: _"call down the fury of the stars themselves upon his foes, and trap them in the timeless infinities between moments."_ > > Using the power of multiple stars sound way more impressive than lifting a bunch of rocks. It would be, if Veigar controled stars themselves. Fury of the starts doesn't necesarly mean stars themselves, but celestial magic in general > And that "stun" that he can do seems like it would be terrifying. Sure it would be, but so is telekinessis
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xU540E2d,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-08-14T18:34:14.831+0000) > > Syndra did lift half a fortress with telekinessis tho. If you ask me that's more impressive than killing random wizard npc we know nothing about This is not a fight between a fortress and an evil fortresss, this is a fight between a wizard and an evil wizard. Syndra has not killed an EVIL WIZZARD. Veigar has done that. So, who wins, the evil wizard that has killed wizards, or the wizard that has not killed evil wizards? My vote goes for the one that has actually killed wizards. If Veigar was a fortress, then my vote would go to Syndra, but no, Veigar is not a fortress. Sure, he may look like a giant sometimes, but that does not mean that he is a fortress.
> [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xU540E2d,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-15T03:06:17.571+0000) > > This is not a fight between a fortress and an evil fortresss, this is a fight between a wizard and an evil wizard. > > Syndra has not killed an EVIL WIZZARD. Veigar has done that. > > So, who wins, the evil wizard that has killed wizards, or the wizard that has not killed evil wizards? > > My vote goes for the one that has actually killed wizards. > > If Veigar was a fortress, then my vote would go to Syndra, but no, Veigar is not a fortress. > > Sure, he may look like a giant sometimes, but that does not mean that he is a fortress. But Syndra by herself has much greater feats than that NPC wizard so that doesn't mean Veigar would automatically be greater than her because of defeating that npc wizard, who was a local threat to a village while Syndra is a threat to the whole Ionia
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xU540E2d,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-13T19:17:53.940+0000) > > Based on feats Syndra should demolish tbh Veigar killed an evil wizard As far as we know, Syndra has never done such thing. Based on those feats, Veigar should demolish
> [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xU540E2d,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-08-13T19:41:01.534+0000) > > Veigar killed an evil wizard > As far as we know, Syndra has never done such thing. > > Based on those feats, Veigar should demolish Syndra did lift half a fortress with telekinessis tho. If you ask me that's more impressive than killing random wizard npc we know nothing about
: Who would win: Syndra vs Veigar
Based on feats Syndra should demolish tbh
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=OovFsBvr,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-11T06:15:27.347+0000) > > Azir stomps. There's no way Syndra can even damage him significantly until he kills her. Someone mentioned snapping his neck. Well, that doesn't work cause Azir is an Ascended, and a high tier one that is. Meaning his durability is super high. > Being a high tier Ascended, Azir could also speeeblitz and kill her without her having any time to react. He doesnt even need sand to do that > With sand, hoho boy. Its the most unfair thing for Syndra. He would have even more ways to kill her. > Out of my mind: > Crush her with sand > Impale her with sand spears (he can make soldiers with spears out of sand. Logically he could make the spears and throw them) > Suffocate her by burrying her into sand or by filling her lungs with sand > And many more. > It's just not a fair fight sry Agreed, people tend to overestimate Syndra while ignoring the fact that Azir is literally a god compared to her. Syndra may have some impressive magical abilities, but they are nothing of Azir's concern. Sorry Syndra fans, but the god emperor of shurima triumphs.
> [{quoted}](name=RobuxScammer,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=OovFsBvr,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-08-11T08:00:43.398+0000) > > Agreed, people tend to overestimate Syndra while ignoring the fact that Azir is literally a god compared to her. Syndra may have some impressive magical abilities, but they are nothing of Azir's concern. Sorry Syndra fans, but the god emperor of shurima triumphs. Exactly. Syndra is powerful, but she isn't a demigod. She's still mortal. Btw about Azir's way to crush her, I forgot to add burning her to death. Every Ascended has fire related powers to some extent
Falrein (EUW)
: Random idea - The Ionian Wars and their remnants
If that was to happen I'd.... actually be interested in Ionia. Seems like a very badass and interesting way to open some plots
: League of Legends Versus!
Well..no shit? Renekton is miles above Warwick in terms of power, he has huge durability, speed, and strenght, and immensly more skill. He is a high tier Ascended afterall while warwick is just a chemtech-empowered humanoid wolf
: Syndra Vs Azir in Shurima
Azir stomps. There's no way Syndra can even damage him significantly until he kills her. Someone mentioned snapping his neck. Well, that doesn't work cause Azir is an Ascended, and a high tier one that is. Meaning his durability is super high. Being a high tier Ascended, Azir could also speeeblitz and kill her without her having any time to react. He doesnt even need sand to do that With sand, hoho boy. Its the most unfair thing for Syndra. He would have even more ways to kill her. Out of my mind: Crush her with sand Impale her with sand spears (he can make soldiers with spears out of sand. Logically he could make the spears and throw them) Suffocate her by burrying her into sand or by filling her lungs with sand And many more. It's just not a fair fight sry
FSRER (EUNE)
: We are waiting a new non-traditional ADC champion who apparently has a dash of some short but I doubt he/she will be Lunari. You never know tho
> [{quoted}](name=FSRER,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=OEuJA4KT,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-08T11:44:46.548+0000) > > We are waiting a new non-traditional ADC champion who apparently has a dash of some short but I doubt he/she will be Lunari. You never know tho ANOTHER dashing ADC? why......
: Voidborn Evolution Theorizing
Well done. Very interesting post and theories indeed
: I was the narrative designer for Jhin, I wrote that story, I was his VO writer and director.... Aaand I’m the writer of the new marvel ZED comic. So I can probably answer your question... Buuuut i’m not gonna!!! (hah!) The Zed comic is, not surprisingly, hyper-focused on Zed. But I will say Zed, Kayn, Akali, Shen, Jovn Tau, and Jhin are all on the cover... And it’s coming soon. I will say there’s a couple of big misdirections in that old Jhin story. I’m not gonna say what —but that story is gonna go down... and not in the way you might think. P.S. Getting rito attention is usually pretty simple. 1. Post on the forums (or reddit but u need a lot more upvotes to rise above the noise there) 2. Be polite and concise. Few people are gonna take time out of their day to be ranted at or read ninety pages. 3. Get enough votes/views to get on the “hot”level so we notice the post. (its actually a pretty small number.) 4. Hope that somebody actually has an answer. (Sometimes things are in flight and we don’t know or can’t comment... kinda like now)
> [{quoted}](name=WAAARGHbobo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=XV5NT7wn,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-08T16:29:35.904+0000) > > I was the narrative designer for Jhin, I wrote that story, I was his VO writer and director.... Aaand I’m the writer of the new marvel ZED comic. > > So I can probably answer your question... > > Buuuut i’m not gonna!!! (hah!) > > The Zed comic is, not surprisingly, hyper-focused on Zed. But I will say Zed, Kayn, Akali, Shen, Jovn Tau, and Jhin are all on the cover... > > And it’s coming soon. > > I will say there’s a couple of big misdirections in that old Jhin story. I’m not gonna say what —but that story is gonna go down... and not in the way you might think. > > > P.S. > Getting rito attention is usually pretty simple. > 1. Post on the forums (or reddit but u need a lot more upvotes to rise above the noise there) > 2. Be polite and concise. Few people are gonna take time out of their day to be ranted at or read ninety pages. > 3. Get enough votes/views to get on the “hot”level so we notice the post. (its actually a pretty small number.) > 4. Hope that somebody actually has an answer. (Sometimes things are in flight and we don’t know or can’t comment... kinda like now) Wait is Jovn Tau an already existing character in-lore or is it a new one?
: We're speaking about lore here. In game Viktor has this huge laser, but in lore it's used for soldering (and warming milk). It's nowhere near powerful enough to be a serious threat, most likely only adding a tattoo to Urgots body.
> [{quoted}](name=DerMangoJoghurt,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=XXlo72qQ,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-07T16:32:07.827+0000) > > We're speaking about lore here. In game Viktor has this huge laser, but in lore it's used for soldering (and warming milk). It's nowhere near powerful enough to be a serious threat, most likely only adding a tattoo to Urgots body. Which is why its hard to judge this match up. Viktor hasn't been described in a battle in-lore yet since he went to fully-cyborg himself
FSRER (EUNE)
: No, chains would just hit him and pull him into Urgot's stomache destroying him.
> [{quoted}](name=FSRER,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=XXlo72qQ,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-08-07T15:19:01.159+0000) > > No, chains would just hit him and pull him into Urgot's stomache destroying him. In order for them to pull him, they would either have to hold him or pierce him. The thing is, Viktor has that third arm on his back with the death ray so I think he should be able to cut the chain down
FSRER (EUNE)
: Based on lore, Urgot still has his chains with which he would just hit Viktor and Viktor was dead. Simple.
> [{quoted}](name=FSRER,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=XXlo72qQ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-07T13:41:49.727+0000) > > Based on lore, Urgot still has his chains with which he would just hit Viktor and Viktor was dead. Simple. Viktor is a cyborg tho I dont think a hit by some chains would kill him
GreenLore (EUW)
: Taliyah is very strong for a human, after all the noxians wanted her to use her powers to bury a village beneath the rocks, so depending on the area her powers can be devastating. However that being said, she still has a human body, so one clear hit and she'd likely go down. So all in all I'd say that under the right circumstances she could defeat a large part of the human/yordle roster, but the opposite is also true, as any clean hit would likely end her. I guess she could even have a chance against some of the more powerful purely physical fighters, like Renekton, though it remains to be seen just how powerful Renekton is when it comes to physical combat and if Taliyah could bury him beneath her rocks before he could reach her. However the magic powers of all the other ascended would likely defeat Taliyah before she could do any harm to them(Nasus has been shown to be simply able to age a human to death and I don't think I have to explain Azir and Xerath) I'm not sure how well she'd do against other elementalists. Lissandra is extremely old and experienced, while Brand is powered by a world rune(and I think he even melted rocks in the comic), so these 2 likely have the upper hand against taliyah. Heck it was implied that Brand even managed to fight Renekton and Nasus and survive, which is honestly a testament to his strenght (as Xeraths lore mentions Nasus and Renekton fighting a "beast of fire"). Qiyana is a bit more difficult, because even though her lore makes her out to be a prodigy in terms of elemental magic, she hasn't demonstrated as much raw power as Taliyah has, neither in the lore nor in the game. However I'd generally put Qiyana above Taliyah due to her experience, physical abilities and mastery over multiple elements. Though I'd say that these 2 are definitely closer in terms of power and it wouldn't be unsurprising if Taliyah could actually defeat Qiyana.(The terrain would likely also play a role in this, Taliyah would have the best chance if they fought in the desert where there are only rocks)
> [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qLiTFvM6,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-08-07T12:34:39.325+0000) > > Taliyah is very strong for a human, after all the noxians wanted her to use her powers to bury a village beneath the rocks, so depending on the area her powers can be devastating. > > However that being said, she still has a human body, so one clear hit and she'd likely go down. > > So all in all I'd say that under the right circumstances she could defeat a large part of the human/yordle roster, but the opposite is also true, as any clean hit would likely end her. > > I guess she could even have a chance against some of the more powerful purely physical fighters, like Renekton, though it remains to be seen just how powerful Renekton is when it comes to physical combat and if Taliyah could bury him beneath her rocks before he could reach her. However the magic powers of all the other ascended would likely defeat Taliyah before she could do any harm to them(Nasus has been shown to be simply able to age a human to death and I don't think I have to explain Azir and Xerath) > > I'm not sure how well she'd do against other elementalists. > Lissandra is extremely old and experienced, while Brand is powered by a world rune(and I think he even melted rocks in the comic), so these 2 likely have the upper hand against taliyah. Heck it was implied that Brand even managed to fight Renekton and Nasus and survive, which is honestly a testament to his strenght (as Xeraths lore mentions Nasus and Renekton fighting a "beast of fire"). > > Qiyana is a bit more difficult, because even though her lore makes her out to be a prodigy in terms of elemental magic, she hasn't demonstrated as much raw power as Taliyah has, neither in the lore nor in the game. However I'd generally put Qiyana above Taliyah due to her experience, physical abilities and mastery over multiple elements. Though I'd say that these 2 are definitely closer in terms of power and it wouldn't be unsurprising if Taliyah could actually defeat Qiyana.(The terrain would likely also play a role in this, Taliyah would have the best chance if they fought in the desert where there are only rocks) Brand was confirmed not to be the fire spirit. That being said he is still directly powered by a World Rune shard and has held his own against fucking Ryze (who is also Lissandra-tier)
: She almost killed Yasuo on accident so id say a solid 7/10
> [{quoted}](name=EpicGhost54,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qLiTFvM6,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-08-07T03:44:30.925+0000) > > She almost killed Yasuo on accident so id say a solid 7/10 Killing Yasuo by accident is not that big of a feat when compared to the likes of Lissandra and Brand
zounet (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=6WtlqEbZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-07T11:03:35.088+0000) > > Ascended get the power from the concept they merge with, but thats about it. The concept doesn't influence their actions or talk to them. Meanwhile, for the Aspects it does. It also gives Aspects knowledge of the past and shit like you can see with Diana Thx I think you found the true différence But do You think ascended are avatars of celestials?
> [{quoted}](name=zounet,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=6WtlqEbZ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-07T12:30:24.869+0000) > > Thx I think you found the true différence > But do You think ascended are avatars of celestials? Iirc its confirmed they just take the power from the celestial they merge with but they dont act as hosts for it (said by a Rioter once iirc)
: I'm not so sure about moving Annie this way, but that's purely because of how much I enjoy her short story where she goes into the bar and asks for a glass of milk. I understand and can appreciate the analysis of it, but I think it moves too far away from Annie's current character, though that's not to say there's a fair bit of each that a rework could utilize for a more fleshed out character. I'd actually be in favor of this, however, if at health thresholds, Annie did become more like the scared, angry child throwing a tantrum. Maybe not so much visuals, but voicelines showing her agitation/anger, or stuff like that. High health Annie is happy, childlike, but the lower health she goes, the angry and more irritated she becomes. And because I'm an asshole, you could easily rival Nunu's death animation level of sadness. Have us hear her Father's voice calling out for her.
> [{quoted}](name=Academy Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=BmpyrRkv,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-07T02:02:13.054+0000) > > I'm not so sure about moving Annie this way, but that's purely because of how much I enjoy her short story where she goes into the bar and asks for a glass of milk. I understand and can appreciate the analysis of it, but I think it moves too far away from Annie's current character, though that's not to say there's a fair bit of each that a rework could utilize for a more fleshed out character. > > I'd actually be in favor of this, however, if at health thresholds, Annie did become more like the scared, angry child throwing a tantrum. Maybe not so much visuals, but voicelines showing her agitation/anger, or stuff like that. High health Annie is happy, childlike, but the lower health she goes, the angry and more irritated she becomes. > > And because I'm an asshole, you could easily rival Nunu's death animation level of sadness. Have us hear her Father's voice calling out for her. So when facing an assasin she would have 0.1 seconds of going from happy to irritated to dead?
zounet (EUW)
: are aspects and ascended the same thing?
Ascended get the power from the concept they merge with, but thats about it. The concept doesn't influence their actions or talk to them. Meanwhile, for the Aspects it does. It also gives Aspects knowledge of the past and shit like you can see with Diana
: Who would win: Urgot V.S Viktor
Depends. Does Viktor has the weaponry he has in-game on his body? So far we only saw his E but smaller. If so, I'm gonna say Viktor cause it looks more advanced and Viktor is also way smarter, although it would be an insanely hard win because Urgot is basically a walking tank. With prep tho, Viktor would shred Urgot
The Chained (EUNE)
: Please? {{sticker:sg-jinx}} But for real, yea I got your point but it would still be interesting - i think there are like 3 or 4 factions at Targon area and i feel there is a lot of hidden material on Targon
> [{quoted}](name=The Chained,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=UA1O4Pzx,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-08-06T09:46:24.270+0000) > > Please? {{sticker:sg-jinx}} > > But for real, yea I got your point but it would still be interesting - i think there are like 3 or 4 factions at Targon area and i feel there is a lot of hidden material on Targon If I was thinking more about doing one with Targon, the Jinx emote would have changed my opinion to a hard no instantly. And again, not enough known material for Targon to be worth a list so yeah
Adder (OCE)
: Skin predictions: Jax, Kassadin, Fiora (+ a few possible others)
Lmao you predicted exactly who is gonna get buffs for the sweet $s
Lordk0z (NA)
: I don't quite recall all the lore, but the issue in Shurima is that IIRC, most of the areas IIRC were mentioned to be willing vassals of Noxus for the trade and protection benefits, presumably in the interrim between the fall of Shurima and Azir's return. Frelijord, there's a point to the soviet russia meme, but is undergoing a serious civil war, and from the Udyr lore, it seems like is mostly three major factions and quite a few minor tribes. While the Winter's Claw seem to be fighting, they're also fighting on two other fronts.
> [{quoted}](name=Lordk0z,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=UA1O4Pzx,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-05T23:47:30.380+0000) > > I don't quite recall all the lore, but the issue in Shurima is that IIRC, most of the areas IIRC were mentioned to be willing vassals of Noxus for the trade and protection benefits, presumably in the interrim between the fall of Shurima and Azir's return. > > Frelijord, there's a point to the soviet russia meme, but is undergoing a serious civil war, and from the Udyr lore, it seems like is mostly three major factions and quite a few minor tribes. While the Winter's Claw seem to be fighting, they're also fighting on two other fronts. Only a few northern coast territories are vasssals of Noxus, some willingly some not. Freljord may be in a civil war, but that didnt stop Winterclaw from entering a stalemate with Darius who was leading the invasion force (aka during the invasion he lost his son iirc)
Igotlazy (NA)
: How strong is Taliyah in the lore?
Lissandra and Brand would be the ones mopping the floor with her. I think Qiyana is around her level Also The Climb isnt canon. Xerath can canonically melt rock very easly with his comets so she wouldnt realistically be able to block those shots with such a thin layer of stone (also Riot themselves stated The Climb isnt canon iirc)
: Aatrox Questions and Possible Future
I suspect either a horned owl or a fucking dragon. Personally I'd like more the last one as it would be fucking amazing
Lewanor (NA)
: They did exactly that 8-9 years ago. It just fucks everything up, and those time league lore was just a bunch of headcanons. Now we finally have a dedicated team of writers. Just let people do their work. Big stuff ain't happening in the non-canon game. Those are reserved for either future games or novels kind of stuff.
> [{quoted}](name=Lewanor,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8i22Wgn1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-04T22:12:29.121+0000) > > They did exactly that 8-9 years ago. It just fucks everything up, and those time league lore was just a bunch of headcanons. Now we finally have a dedicated team of writers. Just let people do their work. Big stuff ain't happening in the non-canon game. Those are reserved for either future games or novels kind of stuff. Very well said
: They certainly have plans, but my point is that there aren't any major wars happening right now. - The second invasion of Ionia is still in the future. And even though it's said to show future events, I am hesitant to call "Awakening" a reliable source. - Noxus and Demacia are less connected in the new lore. To quote Swain: "A bit presumptuous to consider us... rivals." Their borders don't touch and although Demacia has used it's military to oppose Noxus' invasion of the smaller kingdoms between them, that was a conflict created by Jarvan and we have no indication that it persisted after Jarvan failed in his mission. - I'm not sure whether they're expanding into the Freljord or just reclaiming lost territory. Noxus has a policy of holding on to everything they've conquered with an iron fist ~~except Ionia~~ to prevent territories from trying to gain independence, as seen in "The Principles of Strength" and "Blood of Noxus". Either way, I don't think skirmishes with the Winter's Claw qualify as war, since both parties have appeared to send only a small battalion. Given the internal conflict in the Freljord, the Winter's Claw is unable to engage with Noxus in any major way. - Darkwill did conquer bits of Shurima, and that will most likely result in war. But right now Azir and Xerath are contesting for the main land. Until that's resolved I doubt they'd risk making an enemy out of Noxus. - In "At the Edge of the World" Swain was fully aware that it was a death sentence to send a small crew to the jungle. It was a way to get rid of problematic figures, not to prepare for an invasion. While Swain is most likely aware of Ixtal, there's no indication for an invasion, especially not in the near future. - As you said, preparations are being made for Piltover and Zaun. However, aside from the presence of a warmason we have no indication if and when an invasion is planned. - And lastly, while I'm certain that Swain holds a grudge against Gankplank he isn't the person to launch an invasion for such a petty reason. In fact, that's exactly the reason why he created the Trifarix.
> [{quoted}](name=DerMangoJoghurt,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=UA1O4Pzx,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-08-05T11:24:03.448+0000) > > They certainly have plans, but my point is that there aren't any major wars happening right now. > > - The second invasion of Ionia is still in the future. And even though it's said to show future events, I am hesitant to call "Awakening" a reliable source. > - Noxus and Demacia are less connected in the new lore. To quote Swain: "A bit presumptuous to consider us... rivals." Their borders don't touch and although Demacia has used it's military to oppose Noxus' invasion of the smaller kingdoms between them, that was a conflict created by Jarvan and we have no indication that it persisted after Jarvan failed in his mission There are several mentions of a direct Demacia-Noxus war that happened relativly recently (like 1 or at max 2 generations ago) like in Galio's lore and others > - I'm not sure whether they&x27;re expanding into the Freljord or just reclaiming lost territory. Noxus has a policy of holding on to everything they've conquered with an iron fist ~~except Ionia~~ to prevent territories from trying to gain independence, as seen in "The Principles of Strength" and "Blood of Noxus". Either way, I don't think skirmishes with the Winter's Claw qualify as war, since both parties have appeared to send only a small battalion. Given the internal conflict in the Freljord, the Winter's Claw is unable to engage with Noxus in any major way. It's still a conflict whether is for expansion or recovering lost territory that they gained in another expansion. > - Darkwill did conquer bits of Shurima, and that will most likely result in war. But right now Azir and Xerath are contesting for the main land. Until that's resolved I doubt they'd risk making an enemy out of Noxus. But would Noxus risk expanding again? They may very well do (there was a post about this situation where Riot hinted that most Noxians dont belive Azir is back and shit and instead think there's just a fairytail of the people of Shurima who should accept to be conquered or smth like that) > - In "At the Edge of the World" Swain was fully aware that it was a death sentence to send a small crew to the jungle. It was a way to get rid of problematic figures, not to prepare for an invasion. While Swain is most likely aware of Ixtal, there's no indication for an invasion, especially not in the near future. That one is true > - As you said, preparations are being made for Piltover and Zaun. However, aside from the presence of a warmason we have no indication if and when an invasion is planned. The sighting of a warmason is already enough to know they plan an invasion usually > - And lastly, while I'm certain that Swain holds a grudge against Gankplank he isn't the person to launch an invasion for such a petty reason. In fact, that's exactly the reason why he created the Trifarix. True indeed, tho they may try to do that in order to get better gunpowder weapons (because as said in this post, their results so far have been mixed)
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: Xamari Redblades seems like a cool bunch of Noxians i'd like to see in the game. So far we have Kata, Cass, Draven, Darius, LeBlanc, Swain, Vladimir, Sion, Talon, Riven, Kled and they all occupy two roles in total - mid and top. Draven is the oddball here but he's OK, i guess. And i guess Sion and Riven can jungle. Now, i'm far more impressed by the long blade "assassins" as they likely are not a covert group that kill out of sight. Something that's not possible with a long blade. They also call them swordmasters so i'm guessing that they're same as that type of Samurai with long katanas that aim for just one slash to kill their opponents? Essentially, an antithesis to Fiora but their focus is not on dueling an parrying but evading and killing in as close to one strike as possible? I think that role could be perfect for a young(er) female Noxian (maybe that one woman in Darius' story), simply because i already like their armor design and i'd want more variety to Darius' war wear. Kata, Cass, LeBlanc and Riven might be Noxians but they don't wear their traditional Noxian garb.
> [{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=UA1O4Pzx,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-08-05T11:46:34.259+0000) > > Xamari Redblades seems like a cool bunch of Noxians i'd like to see in the game. > So far we have Kata, Cass, Draven, Darius, LeBlanc, Swain, Vladimir, Sion, Talon, Riven, Kled and they all occupy two roles in total - mid and top. Draven is the oddball here but he's OK, i guess. And i guess Sion and Riven can jungle. > > Now, i'm far more impressed by the long blade "assassins" as they likely are not a covert group that kill out of sight. Something that's not possible with a long blade. They also call them swordmasters so i'm guessing that they're same as that type of Samurai with long katanas that aim for just one slash to kill their opponents? Essentially, an antithesis to Fiora but their focus is not on dueling an parrying but evading and killing in as close to one strike as possible? > > I think that role could be perfect for a young(er) female Noxian (maybe that one woman in Darius' story), simply because i already like their armor design and i'd want more variety to Darius' war wear. Kata, Cass, LeBlanc and Riven might be Noxians but they don't wear their traditional Noxian garb. Tamara was a warmason not an assasin. Very different roles
Lordk0z (NA)
: Except from the looks of it, most of those aren't really _nations_ that could realistically fight back if they wanted to. Shurima IIRC, is mostly protected trade cities that wanted a new empire to follow after the old Shuriman one went kaput, the Frelijord is too divided atm, and the Middle Valoran area is just this big void of nothing with presumably minor kingdoms and city-states that can either be conquered or simply bought out. None of them are too pressing a threat the way Ionia, Demacia, or another major power would be.
> [{quoted}](name=Lordk0z,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=UA1O4Pzx,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-05T13:30:57.687+0000) > > Except from the looks of it, most of those aren't really _nations_ that could realistically fight back if they wanted to. > > Shurima IIRC, is mostly protected trade cities that wanted a new empire to follow after the old Shuriman one went kaput, the Frelijord is too divided atm, and the Middle Valoran area is just this big void of nothing with presumably minor kingdoms and city-states that can either be conquered or simply bought out. None of them are too pressing a threat the way Ionia, Demacia, or another major power would be. Ionia is waaaaaaaay more divided rn than Shurima or Freljord are (and Id say overall they are also way weaker. I can go in depth to explain why and why they managed to push Noxus back still) About Shurima, that's....not really the case. After the fall of Shurima and the Darkin wars, the population became divided into city-states that survived or have been built, nomadic tribes, mercenary groups, raiders, traders etc. Until recently, when Azir came back (which was about 7 years ago according to some calculations made by a very lore-knowledgable guy on the Lore of League Discord server, if you want I can send the invite link). Bloodline and Taliah's color story was around 5 years ago, and at that point a shit ton of people in Shurima were already joining Azir or about to do it (like, the vast majority of Shurima is pro-Azir by the looks of it. Only Nerimazeth is against him rn as far as we know because Xerath rules it) so no I wont say they are divided or incapable to put up a fight (not to mention there were instances of tribes that were enemies with each other allying among themselves to resist Noxian expansion even before Azir came back, and now they are unifying en-masse as you can see with what was happening in Vekaura before Xerath nuked the shit out of it). Freljord, while divided in 3 main parts, is still Soviet Russia meme. Super hard to invade due to bad terrain, every people there are warriors, not to mention the Iceborns which are Ice magical-attuned superhumans, and each of the 3 sides of the conflict there has massive armies too And then comes the War on many fronts arguments. While Noxus right now is the most powerfull modern nation on Runeterra, they can't afford to put ALL their resources into 1 single campaign
The Chained (EUNE)
: Awesome, could you do Targon next?
> [{quoted}](name=The Chained,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=UA1O4Pzx,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-08-05T13:06:08.088+0000) > > Awesome, could you do Targon next? I mean, I could in theory do, but it would be short asf cause we don't have much info about them
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