: > [{quoted}](name=SS Enforcer,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a6UA5yQE,comment-id=003100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-16T19:20:10.879+0000) > > Darius is not meta. Maybe in bronze. > Illaoi is as far away from the meta as possible. > Jayce was meta due to being a lethality abuser, but he's slowly going away. > Kennen has an absymal winrate right now, the only viable build on him is the splitpush build, and even then, he's only picked as a counterpick. > Riven is not meta. Not even in bronze. > Quinn is another lethality abuser and it's very easy to win lane wit her and then snowball, but that only works against people who have double-digit iq's. > Olaf top is not meta. Olaf jungle is sort-of, but there are better alternatives. > > There was never a time in the history of league where last whisper was a legitimate problem, people just see it and freak out because "muh armor" and such. Lethality was a problem, and now it seems that it has been mostly solved. The abusers were nerfed, edge of night has been nerfed, it's over. Because negating nearly half the armor I built with a mere 1300 gold is fair. Last Whisper used to be too strong against everyone, it was problematic. It was somewhat ok before they buffed it back to problematic status again. There was never a time in history where Last Whisper WASN'T a legit problem. > I presume you're talking about ryze. You presume incorrectly. I was, and am talking about Shen, as I mentioned before. I don't care about Ryze because he's gonna get his 5th rework soon anyway. > BUT. If things were balanced around lcs, low elo would turn into an unenjoyable mess, because noobstompers like darius, illaoi, garen, trundle, veigar, swain, blitzcrank, zed and a lot of other champions would need buffs in order to become part of the competitive scene. But riot doesn't want that, because a fuckton of the playerbase is in lower elos. They need to find a delicate balance of things, and when that's impossible, they have to make a decision. That is why they gutted azir, and that is why they are nerfing ryze. Then please explain why nerfing a champion struggling in low elo (just so you didn't get the memo, I am speaking about Shen) because organized teams in the LCS were doing well with him is not balancing around LCS. Or why Lee hasn't been nerfed to the ground like Sejuani and Azir once were. > You have to understand that riot wants to create a state for a game that is most comfortable for low and high elo alike. That is a very hard task, and due to previous mistakes (azir's overloaded kit and two failed ryze reworks) they have to make tough decisions. Like make promises they can't keep? Buddy, once you've delved into balance as long as I have you learn things. Riot does not make tough decisions because of previous mistakes. They make tough decisions because they make lots of stupid ones that lead to disasters. > My argument was that you, as a bronze player might not be up to speed concerning the overall balance and state of the game, so i called you out on that. I think it's a perfectly reasonable question. It has a lot of things to do with the difference between my elo and your elo. I play the game. I speak with people about the game on the Boards. I research and test stuff. Arguably I'm more well-versed about the overall balance and state of the game than you, Mr. Diamond Aglets. > It's my personal preference to like your post or not, and it is other people's personal preference too. It has absolutely nothing to do with ranks. I don't like your post because most of it is biased, agressively stupid or just plain wrong. I don't give a flying frizzlesnarf whether you like the post or not. My point was that you're an insulting prick and should learn to formulate an argument like a thinking being. > I have authority over your opinions on the game because i'm objectively a better, more experienced, more intelligent player who is willing to think and learn about league without resorting to giving riot shit about the game just because i don't like what they are doing to it. And your first retort completely matches that (/s). You didn't even play the rank card correctly, buddy. Nobody here honestly cares what you think because instead of using your rank to support your argument, you used your rank AS your argument. Try again, but this time have an argument that isn't "muh rank." > But nor you, nor master or challenger people, nor anybody has authority over my personal opinion. Then you don't have authority over mine. So don't be a hypocrite. > Correcting what? It was a genuine question. I came across this post, thought that it had **some** reasonable things in it, but then noticed that you're bronze. The first question that came to my mind is > "there are some things in this post that make sense, but the points i disagree with... maybe i should ask him why does he think that, what are his arguments regarding the topic, why should i listen to someone who's bronze?" "Buddy, you're Bronze" does not convey that well enough. Also, a person's rank should not dictate how valid their statement is if what they're saying is true and makes sense. I advise you look at the message first before letting rank prejudice dictate the validity of that message and how true it is to you. Rank is only one factor of how knowledgeable a person is at the game. There can be really good people who just don't have the time to play ranked, or just prefer not to. It's not set in stone, and not everyone is the same. > That doesn't mean i'm not going to, it means that i'm curious about your perspective. Sorry if i came off as an asshole, i was genuinely interested. Well, ask me anything, and I'll answer the question. I just don't do well with personal attacks. I'm not particularly sensitive, either, so I give people the benefit of the doubt when there is doubt. > Yes it does. Not until you establish your argument. You establish your credibility through your knowledge, then when you finish you source your rank as proof. > That's my entire argument, mate. Your whole post is just a lot of incorrect things that have very little to do with the actual problems of the game. The only issue here is that you think that there's an issue. I'm sure you can agree that out of everything here, at least Ninja Tabi and Shen are definitely issues. > I didn't bother to attack your arugment, to be honest, but here's this post, most of it is explained in it. Yes, you're right. You went straight for ad hominem from the get-go. > Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no rule book to online forums. And there is especially no rule that states that you can only speak freely on a certain board until you are considered a "condescending jerk". My arguments were completely fair and reasonable, and you got triggered because i mentioned your rank. I doubt many people read past the part where you shamelessly defaced somebody and scolded them for sharing an opinion simply because they are Bronze. Few people would even consider you a part of the discussion. There aren't any rule books, no, but there are unwritten rules that if you don't follow, everyone pushes you away and you get sent to the bottom of the comments page where few dare to venture. > Sorry if i questioned your sources and judgement, altough you are one of the worst league of legends players, mea culpa maxima. I appreciate the apology. Now get the hell out of my thread.
Riot has made bigger promises before, and they didn't manage to keep them. I have some issues with them also, but even though i should care a lot more about the balance of the game, (seeing as i'm the one who's more affected by it since i'm a ranked player) i don't make posts like this because i cannot look behind the decisions that happen inside riot, i don't know the causes or the effects or the decisions that need to be made. Now you can pretend like they are a buch of monkeys with a bunch of typewriters who got lucky, or you can pretend that they are a company behind the game who (as literally every other company) have made good and bad decisions from time to time. I'm not satisfied with the shen rework, i'm not satisfied with the previous lethality meta, i'm not satisfied with the state of botlane, i'm not satisfied with junglers in the first ten minutes deciding the game, but riot managed to make up for those things with content, more agressive patch notes, (they don't fuck around with a permaban champion for months figuring out what the problem is) and more communication from their side with podcasts, insights, q&a's, AMA's, and the recently released riot pls video. They are definitely doing work, and by writing a qq post on the official boards pointing out the mistakes that they've made, you are not helping them. You never offered any solution to the problems that you've brought up, even with your "incredible balance knowledge". >Because negating nearly half the armor I built with a mere 1300 gold is fair. A saying comes to mind that kripp said about the balance of hearthstone. If something is unfair, or sounds unfair, that doesn't mean it's op. If you want an unfair thing to become obsolete, you just have to add something to the game that is even more unfair. That is lethality, an actual, legitimate problem. And what's the really funny thing, last whisper isn't even unfair. Last whisper might ignore 45% of a player's armor, but consider this. It gives you 10 ad in itself, which is hilariously underwhelming, because obviously, tank players aren't going to build armor only, they will build hp too. And with 10 ad, armor penetration or not, good luck taking down a 2500-3000 hp toplaner. And the advanced items, lord dominiks and mortal reminder, they give you the last whisper passive, some completely irrelevant other passive, and 50 ad. Unless you have someone against you who's literally just stacking armor and nothing else, or you're against a swain or mundo, building last whisper items is pointless. You're much better off with lethality. Also you need to understand that last whisper is the item that is meant to keep tanks in check. If you nerf last whisper, tanks will completely rule the game, becoming borderline unkillable. With tanks becoming meta, champions like vayne, kindred, morgana and such will become meta. And unless last whisper is changed back, this will be the meta. Two unkillable tanks hitting each other until a player gets tired of it and hangs himself. >Then please explain why nerfing a champion struggling in low elo (just so you didn't get the memo, I am speaking about Shen) because organized teams in the LCS were doing well with him is not balancing around LCS. Or why Lee hasn't been nerfed to the ground like Sejuani and Azir once were. I said that riot has to balance around the lcs partly, because there are champions that are bad in low elos, but really good in high elo. And they would rather ruin that champion in low elo than completely flip the delicate balance of high elo. Because they care about lcs. I'm sure they care about you too, but not that much. Also lee sin isn't nerfed, because he's not op. Also sejuani isn't weak, it's just not a tank meta jungle anymore. What riot needs to do about the jungle is return the gromp buff, that was great at helping tank junglers in clearing the jungle, because right now, if you pick a tank jungle, you get outfarmed, ourganked, and most of the time your jungle will be camped because champions like graves, elise and lee sin can easily outduel you in the early game. Lee is stronger than most of the junglers, but so are a handful of other champions, and nerfing them one by one is not the solution. >I play the game. I speak with people about the game on the Boards. I research and test stuff. Arguably I'm more well-versed about the overall balance and state of the game than you, Mr. Diamond Aglets. That's just... not ture. Sorry to tell you this, but you're delusional. It's a byproduct of being low elo.
: Morgs passive
Morgana is an old champion. Riot would probably love to rework her into somethin more interactive or exciting, but as long as she's doing fine as a champion, it's going to stay low on the priority list.
: > [{quoted}](name=SS Enforcer,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a6UA5yQE,comment-id=0031000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-16T07:20:33.795+0000) > > Where are these challenger and master folks? > > Anyways, > > People can support things for various reasons. Just because they agree with you on some points of the argument, (just like me) that doesn't mean they think that your post tells the absolute truth. This paired up with the fact that you're in the bottom 10% of ranked players gives me the impression that you just went and made a post because you're frustrated about the state of the game, and everybody else upvotes it because they too are frustrated about the state of the game. I was patient with the stuff Riot did, fully knowing the implications. I got frustrated when they finally promised to balance Shen's ult just to nerf his passive again (quite heavily this time) and break their promise. > Also > > I don't like your post because it is bashing the balance team of riot for completely baseless things (there's still a heavy tank meta on top and literally no one should complain about last whisper, {{champion:122}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:133}} {{champion:2}} That tank meta, though. Also if you want a reliable tank you habe to go top because tanks are basically incapable of jungling now. > comparing champs such as galio and shen is ridiculously stupid, and riot explicitly stated that the lcs outside of a few champions like ryze and azir has nothing to do with the overall balance decisions they make) So you're telling me Riot is nerfing a 46% win rate champion for no reason, because they obviously don't balance around the LCS. Nice. > Me not liking the post has nothing to do with my elo and others liking it has nothing to do with theirs. Then don't make bullshit arguments about your rank and having authority. > If people in challenger/master support you, that's completely fine, they are better at the game than me, but it still doesn't mean they are right, and it still doesn't mean that i don't have a right to disagree with your post. I never said you don't have a right to disagree, but when you come and start with "Look, buddy, you're Bronze, stfu and go to your corner" I have a right to do what feels to me is right by correcting you. Playing the rank card does not make your opinion any more valid if there is an obvious issue at hand, and when you stroll in acting superior and attack the person rather than answer the argument, you forfeit your right to an opinion in the discussion because, let's face it, nobody likes a condescending jerk.
>That tank meta, though. Darius is not meta. Maybe in bronze. Illaoi is as far away from the meta as possible. Jayce was meta due to being a lethality abuser, but he's slowly going away. Kennen has an absymal winrate right now, the only viable build on him is the splitpush build, and even then, he's only picked as a counterpick. Riven is not meta. Not even in bronze. Quinn is another lethality abuser and it's very easy to win lane wit her and then snowball, but that only works against people who have double-digit iq's. Olaf top is not meta. Olaf jungle is sort-of, but there are better alternatives. There was never a time in the history of league where last whisper was a legitimate problem, people just see it and freak out because "muh armor" and such. Lethality was a problem, and now it seems that it has been mostly solved. The abusers were nerfed, edge of night has been nerfed, it's over. >So you're telling me Riot is nerfing a 46% win rate champion for no reason, because they obviously don't balance around the LCS. Nice. I presume you're talking about ryze. I explicitly stated that ryze is an exception from the "not balancing around the lcs" rule, because people in higher elos can actually play the champion properly because they are skilled. Ryze is a champion with a high skill floor and a high skill ceiling. Most of the people in middle/lower elos are just not good enough to play properly with the champion. But in more competitive environments, ryze and azir are (were) absolute beasts due to their raw power and versatility if used right. Now riot has a choice: they can either buff ryze so he becomes a decent pick in lower elos, even if someone isn't quite good, and have him completely ruin the competitive meta, either going on a 100% banrate, or constantly winning games. Or they can nerf it a bit, bring balance to the competitive scene, and have him take a hit in soloq winrates. Riot will obviously choose the latter, because having a champion in the game that is so strong that it requires a permaban is not exciting, you can't really sell that as a broadcaster. BUT. If things were balanced around lcs, low elo would turn into an unenjoyable mess, because noobstompers like darius, illaoi, garen, trundle, veigar, swain, blitzcrank, zed and a lot of other champions would need buffs in order to become part of the competitive scene. But riot doesn't want that, because a fuckton of the playerbase is in lower elos. They need to find a delicate balance of things, and when that's impossible, they have to make a decision. That is why they gutted azir, and that is why they are nerfing ryze. You have to understand that riot wants to create a state for a game that is most comfortable for low and high elo alike. That is a very hard task, and due to previous mistakes (azir's overloaded kit and two failed ryze reworks) they have to make tough decisions. >Then don't make bullshit arguments about your rank and having authority. My argument was that you, as a bronze player might not be up to speed concerning the overall balance and state of the game, so i called you out on that. I think it's a perfectly reasonable question. It has a lot of things to do with the difference between my elo and your elo. It's my personal preference to like your post or not, and it is other people's personal preference too. It has absolutely nothing to do with ranks. I don't like your post because most of it is biased, agressively stupid or just plain wrong. I have authority over your opinions on the game because i'm objectively a better, more experienced, more intelligent player who is willing to think and learn about league without resorting to giving riot shit about the game just because i don't like what they are doing to it. But nor you, nor master or challenger people, nor anybody has authority over my personal opinion. >I never said you don't have a right to disagree, but when you come and start with "Look, buddy, you're Bronze, stfu and go to your corner" I have a right to do what feels to me is right by correcting you. Correcting what? It was a genuine question. I came across this post, thought that it had **some** reasonable things in it, but then noticed that you're bronze. The first question that came to my mind is "there are some things in this post that make sense, but the points i disagree with... maybe i should ask him why does he think that, what are his arguments regarding the topic, why should i listen to someone who's bronze?" That doesn't mean i'm not going to, it means that i'm curious about your perspective. Sorry if i came off as an asshole, i was genuinely interested. >Playing the rank card does not make your opinion any more valid Yes it does. >If there is an obvious issue at hand That's my entire argument, mate. Your whole post is just a lot of incorrect things that have very little to do with the actual problems of the game. The only issue here is that you think that there's an issue. >and when you stroll in acting superior and attack the person rather than answer the argument I didn't bother to attack your arugment, to be honest, but here's this post, most of it is explained in it. >you forfeit your right to an opinion in the discussion because, let's face it, nobody likes a condescending jerk. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no rule book to online forums. And there is especially no rule that states that you can only speak freely on a certain board until you are considered a "condescending jerk". My arguments were completely fair and reasonable, and you got triggered because i mentioned your rank. Sorry if i questioned your sources and judgement, altough you are one of the worst league of legends players, mea culpa maxima.
Paroe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SS Enforcer,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hJU9uIKi,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-16T11:32:04.363+0000) > > http://i.imgur.com/d3KRufw.png > > Maybe it didn't stop people from building it, but as you see here, all builds that feature cleaver have a sub50% winrate. > Also adcs, (the biggest bc abuser being lucian) completely stopped building the item, so i think the kindlegem changes were a success. ... But lucian is literally an AD caster. Hes meant to have the option to build A-pen. So is corki, ezreal, and varus to name a few.
Lucian has plenty of armor penetration options besides black cleaver. Corki doesn't need armor penetration because he is the textbook example of a mixed damage carry Ezreal doesn't need armor penetration because he is an adc reliant on poke and has other alternatives to maximize his damage output. Same goes for varus.
MrHaZeYo (NA)
: Luc is back to the Bork/Tri force build after Bork got buffed, and I'd say MF was the ADC that abused BC the most, she's still building it. The Kindle gem isn't ruining the build for Assassins or ADCs, trading 10 AD for 100 HP is actually pro benefical for them as it offers there natural glass cannon builds more sustain.
You can pretend like bc is still as useful for talon and zed as it was before, but statistics don't lie.
: > [{quoted}](name=SS Enforcer,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LaY8WEH0,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-16T07:42:32.144+0000) > > Yorick can have a lot of power in himself, but only if you build trinity first and have grasp of the undying. Otherwise, you have to rely on your e and your ghouls, which of course won't work 100% of the time. Other builds work quite well too and Grasp feels extremely lackluster later in the game feeling terrible in team fighting situations and only okay if you are split pushing (which most likely one should be doing on Yorick anyhow). I think we tend to get so wrapped up in only one single way of playing a champion when there are a great many different approaches that can all work depending on the team compositions.
I've been playing yorick since season 4, and i guarantee you that i've tried every possible build on the champion. For the current yorick, Grasp+Trinity is the most optimal build. You can of course, take different items and runes and masteries, but i'm going to base my arguments according to high level play, because in low level play, nothing makes any sense, and most arguments are without base, like complaning about riven and darius.
: > [{quoted}](name=SS Enforcer,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LaY8WEH0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-03-16T07:27:16.061+0000) > > This would completely kill yorick. Yorick doesn't have a problem with grave generation, and his problem is not that he's too reliant on the ghouls or maiden. His only problem is if that he falls behind, due to the ad/health scaling of his ghouls, they become completely useless, because yorick will not build ad once he falls behind, and also due to falling behind in gold, yorick can't buy hp fast enough to make his ghouls/maiden useful enough, because they die in some aoe spell or something. The solution to this is increasing the base stats of ghouls and the maiden later on, (after level 13) so yorick can become an guy with an actual threat up his sleeve with the maiden, and his value in teamfights could be much higher due to the ghouls and maiden not dying five seconds in because the enemy used an aoe. Just to be clear here, even when way behind, AoE does not kill mistwalkers or Maiden fast at all. Secondly, this over reliance on the walkers is not as much of an issue as you are making this out to be. Lastly my proposal provides Yorick more frequent and earlier access to mistwalkers, thereby reducing the amount of power in his Ult, making him more threatening earlier on and providing for more opportunities for trading with an opponent prior to lvl 6. Yorick's entire kit is based around the mistwalkers and Maiden, from his passive to his ultimate and everything between except for Dark Procession right now, which is just some sort of skill designed to help him line up skills or assist in team fighting situations.
>everything else in yorick's kit interacts with ghouls, so why not his wall I don't see the reason to do that. Also, yorick IS very threatening early on. He has tons of opportunities to trade and win a trade against an opponent, long before level 6. If you consistently hit your e and your w, no matter the matchup, you will win the lane with yorick, and then use your objective control and splitpushing power to get the team tons of global gold and win. Also dark procession is an amazingly versatile skill, that needs absolutely no changes. You can bait, kite, trap, cc, separate, setup and block people with, you just need to be creative with it.
MrHaZeYo (NA)
: What, the kindlegem didn't stop people from building it, its not a 1st/2nd item.
http://i.imgur.com/d3KRufw.png Maybe it didn't stop people from building it, but as you see here, all builds that feature cleaver have a sub50% winrate. Also adcs, (the biggest bc abuser being lucian) completely stopped building the item, so i think the kindlegem changes were a success.
Dâñk (NA)
: Lulu is actually way too overpowered
Lulu isn't op, kog'maw is. People usually pick lulu along with kog'maw because their synergy is really good. The only changes that lulu got that could explain her being strong were on patch 7.2, in january. But she wasn't picked at all back then. The only reason she's picked now is that they reverted the rework on kog and he's insanley overpowered at the moment.
: Yeah like, he smacks shit with his shovel really hard but a lot of his damage otherwise comes from his minions and teaming up with his Ult. So much of his power can be negated if the jungler is far enough to smite and kill it leaving Yorick to fend for himself.
Yorick can have a lot of power in himself, but only if you build trinity first and have grasp of the undying. Otherwise, you have to rely on your e and your ghouls, which of course won't work 100% of the time.
: How do you get out of Bronze Elo Hell?
git gud or what prismaldawn said
: I would like to see Cleaver reworked again
It's a cute idea, but there are two problems with it: 1. With the current cleaver, you reduce the opponent's armor, giving your teammates bonus damage on the target. How would that work with this black cleaver? 2. The kindlegem changes were more than enough to stop people from building cleaver on adcs and assassins. If say, an enemy zed is building cleaver and is winning, then you've done something very wrong.
: Yorick's Power Budget
This would completely kill yorick. Yorick doesn't have a problem with grave generation, and his problem is not that he's too reliant on the ghouls or maiden. His only problem is if that he falls behind, due to the ad/health scaling of his ghouls, they become completely useless, because yorick will not build ad once he falls behind, and also due to falling behind in gold, yorick can't buy hp fast enough to make his ghouls/maiden useful enough, because they die in some aoe spell or something. The solution to this is increasing the base stats of ghouls and the maiden later on, (after level 13) so yorick can become an guy with an actual threat up his sleeve with the maiden, and his value in teamfights could be much higher due to the ghouls and maiden not dying five seconds in because the enemy used an aoe.
: So the viewpoints of Challengers and Masters supporting me makes them know less than you. Neat.
Where are these challenger and master folks? Anyways, People can support things for various reasons. Just because they agree with you on some points of the argument, (just like me) that doesn't mean they think that your post tells the absolute truth. This paired up with the fact that you're in the bottom 10% of ranked players gives me the impression that you just went and made a post because you're frustrated about the state of the game, and everybody else upvotes it because they too are frustrated about the state of the game. Also I don't like your post because it is bashing the balance team of riot for completely baseless things (there's still a heavy tank meta on top and literally no one should complain about last whisper, comparing champs such as galio and shen is ridiculously stupid, and riot explicitly stated that the lcs outside of a few champions like ryze and azir has nothing to do with the overall balance decisions they make) Me not liking the post has nothing to do with my elo and others liking it has nothing to do with theirs. If people in challenger/master support you, that's completely fine, they are better at the game than me, but it still doesn't mean they are right, and it still doesn't mean that i don't have a right to disagree with your post.
: you made an argument in your first post however.... I responded to that argument... you "responded" to my argument. I know you didn't even read a moderate portion of my argument as you aren't responding to anything I type. You're using a tactic to make yourself seem smarter via making me seem overdramatic. I haven't posted many words that express emotion thereby making your tactic backfire on you. It makes you appear less intelligent.
I still have no idea what you're trying to say here. This has nothing to do with the discussion that's happening. http://i.imgur.com/RPnoaiO.jpg
: it's obvious the OP meant it as an exaggeration of the actual damage. Now keep in mind that even tanks do an extremely large amount of damage. Examples: {{champion:27}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:98}} couple that damage with an adc that's been snowball fed {{champion:67}} for this example. and you have an exaggerated, whopping 0.26 lifespan from when you step out of fountain if you are even remotely squishy also assassins have been stated by riot that they shouldn't be killing people in 0.26 seconds but be able to outplay them. **_IF_** assassins in league were supposed to kill people in 0.26 seconds then riot wouldn't have gone forth with the assassin update or even proposed one at all. I know you didn't read my post but rather skimmed it as you only took a small look and went "assassins kill everything in 0.26 seconds and you used an assassin so your argument doesn't matter" You didn't even make a case for WHY it was an assassin or attempt to open discussion. You just made a statement. P.S. if you're trolling... your really bad at it. I can at least respect someone who can respond in a sensible manner. Even trolls have mannerisms that have SOME rhyme or rhythm.
No need to be all dramatic about it What i wanted to point out that if somebody is fed enough, they will kill you very easily, and with very few windows to outplay them. That was the entire point of my first post. I only made a second post because i literally don't understand what you're trying to say. You basically said that if you get ganked, you have a higher chance of losing lane and losing game, but that is just very basic knowledge, and it has absolutely nothing to do with what i said in my first post. Looks like to me like you're just fishing for arguments.
: the problem is that the second you are unable to farm at the same rate as your enemy laner that you lose immediately thanks to the enemy laner now being able to buy before you. Since most champion need to purchase at least ONE item to be effective... this means that you effectively lost lane... without losing lane. This means if I am in mid playing {{champion:99}} against the enemy {{champion:238}} and he gets a gank which forces me to back why, I'm faced with a horrid choice. Lose lane garunteed because I backed and zed has farmed enough to buy {{item:3134}} before I bought {{item:3802}} which makes him able to do more damage to me. or I keep farming under tower and he can have his jungler dive for him/ he can dive himself and {{summoner:4}} out. That's the problem addressed in the OP. That damage has been growing generally. Nowhere in the OP are any assassins mentioned fam. Like legit... nowhere...
The op said that he got killed in a timespan of 0.26 seconds. I think it's pretty safe to jump to the conclusion that he was killed by an assassin, because assassins are supposed to kill people in a timespan of 0.26 seconds. Even you used an assassin in your post, so not sure where you're going with this.
Dasdi96 (NA)
: Having a high pick and winrate doesnt mean the champ is op.
The example you're giving is a bit weird, because although lulu herself isnt op, kog'maw is. I guarantee you that most of the time lulu is picked, kog is picked along her, just because they have amazingly good synergy. And kog'maw, now he is op.
: RITO BALANCE UR GAME FFS
lol http://i.imgur.com/meSA3ua.jpg
Sintama (NA)
: A large walking ball of stats does exceptionally well as a front line. Especially when he has 6,000+ HP. If you don't kill him, he can stroll to your backline and one-shot your ADC/APC. If you do kill him, you're aced by the time he falls.
As i said before, cho has absolutely no mobility whatsoever. If your backline lets him stroll to them and doesn't even try to kite him or dodge his spells, i'm not sure what you expected.
: I'm no expert but MF ult does a little too much damage
Mf becomes stationary when ulting, and she cannot choose the direction she's shooting. She becomes a sitting duck, and the ult can be instantly cancelled by ccing her.
: @Riot: Just because humans can react for visual stimuli in .25 seconds
There are some champions in the game that WILL be able to oneshot you if you're a squishy, and that is completely fine. Assassins are a class that league of legends needs, and without them, the meta and the game itself would be a lot more stale. If a champion is fed, it will deal a lot of damage and will usually be able to carry a game. If the champion in question is an assassin, this applies even more. What you need to derive is that if you're up against an assassin, or any other champ that can burst you down quickly, don't give him a lot of kills.
Sintama (NA)
: So Cho'Gath...Infinite feast stacking + Never loses stacks on death?
**CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING** Cho is an immobile champion that doesn't operate with natural tankyness besides the bonus health, and has only flat damage and healing in his kit. The more stacks he has, the more vulnerable he is to %hp damage, which the game is absolutely filled with, and he is underwhelming in teamfights or skirmishes. He is a large walking ball of stats with lackluster cc and zero engage, disengage, or mobility.
: I FINALLY DID IT!!!
Good for you man http://i.imgur.com/Be6tW4o.jpg
: > [{quoted}](name=SS Enforcer,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a6UA5yQE,comment-id=003100000000,timestamp=2017-03-15T07:58:39.742+0000) > > I am a terrible player in terms of mechanical play compared to the rest of my elo, i mostly play only tanks or hit-this-hit-that fighters. There is no amazing mechanical skill needed whatsoever in order to climb out of a certain elo, (especially bronze) and just because you play the game for a long time doesn't mean you have good game knowledge or understand it well or at all. There are people who are simply incapable of learning things. That's why it's so astonishing that so many people are in silver or bronze, because once you start to focus on your games, it's piss easy to climb out. But of course, you don't play ranked, you play ARAM instead Wrong. I play most normal games on SR. > Also, while technically i'm not above everyone, as a diamond IV player, i am above 995 out of 1000 league of legends players, so i think i have some authority over you. Then let me ask... how long have you been playing League? Because if rank was always the factor, people who bought accounts in plat-Diamond would have authority over me by paying 100 bucks.
I've been playing on this account since season 4. Here's my op.gg, feel free to check everything. Also even if i boosted myself to diamond IV, it would be a stupid idea to do it at the start of the season. https://eune.op.gg/summoner/userName=SS+Enforcer But you're still moving goalposts regarding the argument, so i guess i'll just pretend like you didn't seriously try to act like you know anything about the game at all. http://i.imgur.com/5BRtkbn.jpg
awdaf (NA)
: Items I'm still waiting for (Probably never to be seen)
>5% CDR AP item For what purpose >Armor penetration boots Not when champs like jayce exist >Maw equivalent for Mages Literally no one would buy it
: I don't usually play ranked, so there's one thing you should consider. Even if I did play ranked and was stuck in Bronze for so long (since preseason 4), that would mean I understand the game very well but have not mechanically mastered it in practice. Similar to knowing every strategy to win a game of basketball but not having the strength or speed to put them into practice. I swear, kids get to gold and they think they're above everyone.
I am a terrible player in terms of mechanical play compared to the rest of my elo, i mostly play only tanks or hit-this-hit-that fighters. There is no amazing mechanical skill needed whatsoever in order to climb out of a certain elo, (especially bronze) and just because you play the game for a long time doesn't mean you have good game knowledge or understand it well or at all. There are people who are simply incapable of learning things. That's why it's so astonishing that so many people are in silver or bronze, because once you start to focus on your games, it's piss easy to climb out. But of course, you don't play ranked, you play ARAM instead, where balance is completely shifted in comparison to normal or ranked, because the map, the items and therefore the value and overall strength of certain champions is different. Also, while technically i'm not above everyone, as a diamond IV player, i am above 995 out of 1000 league of legends players, so i think i have some authority over you.
: Darius the nerfed
I think that the nerfs on his passive damage were mostly uncalled for. I don't really care about the handle, if you're not an idiot, you should be able to hit about 75-80% of your q's. The problem with darius is that the way to counter him is not engaging in longer trades or fights with him, and that is something that most people in lower elos are uncapable of. Also people tend to get hit by the outer circle of the q all the time, and if they do, they take more damage, get a hemorrhage stack, and heal darius at the same time. That's why he's such a monster in silver/gold, and that's why his banrate is significantly higher in those elos too. I think the solution to this problem is reworking the w into something that is more than just a +1 hemorrhage stack ability, and giving back the +5% movespeed for every bleeding enemy. With these, he wouldn't be able to win every trade so easily just by slapping another stack on you and slowing you with his w, but he would still be able to completely destroy people in teamfights with his bonus mobility. (if you can land your q's on multiple people or you switch targets) This could also give a choice to darius players. (do you want multiple people to bleed and dance through teamfights mashing your q and bleeding them out or do you want to get 5 stacks on someone and then take the enemy out one by one?)
: I'm a little worried that Gnar's health regen buff might be too strong
I think the health regen buffs might be something that can allow gnar not to be completely outclassed by every other ranged champion in lane, and altough you say that the numbers are high, the hp regen of mini gnar above level 12-13 is mostly irrelevant. By that point, the laning phase has ended and hp regen becomes something that is rarely useful unless it's something like garen passive, especially on a champ like mini gnar, a short-range, no-cc, limited-mobility squishy. Despite all of this, I do agree with you on the point that there could be more changes made to the little guy.
: adc in 2017
Welcome to botlane. Above a certain level, this is what you will have to prepare for, because decent teams won't let you just sit and farm through the earlygame. In order to have a good botlane experience, you'll have to have a jungler and maybe a midlaner who is as active on the map as the enemy jungler or midlaner. Otherwise, you'll just have to sit under your turret and beg for help.
: I'm growing tired of entertaining your whims, Riot.
Look buddy, you're bronze. Why should i think that your opinion holds any sort of value whatsoever if you're so bad at the game that you can't even get out of the lowest division?
: Halp! I'm stucked! D:
I think i recognize the problem. You're playing nasus.
Ethethan (NA)
: Hitting a stopping point in my improvement?
1. You were silver last season. You have no idea how much you can still improve. 2. You have a win rate of 17% with cassiopeia in 6 games according to op.gg that is such a small sample size, that i wouldn't give it too much thought. 3. At the start of the season, there is a high probability of you getting matched with better players than you. Performing bad in this scenario is completely natural, and it can even help you improve by recognizing your mistakes.
GnR Rexx (NA)
: Whats the point of placement matches?
They are very important in order to 1. Fuck with boosted people 2. Shake up higher elos so people can practice with players who are on the higher level than them 3. Punish inconsistent players 4. Put things back into order after the offseason (not having ranked in the offseason is important because that's when most of the large-scale changes happen, and riot doesn't want that to be abused in ranked in any way) If you got placed into bronze 5, that's very sad, but if you know for a fact that you're better than that level, you should be able to climb out from there. Also, you ended at bronze in season six. Did you really expect to end up at a good level?
: Which server is most skilled?
They are exactly the same. The only noticeable difference is in higher elos, and even then it's only korea that really sticks out. The amount of people on each server is so big that it's unavoidable for them to be similar to each other. I've played on NA, EUNE and EUW, and there was no difference between them whatsoever. I mean, you could go and play on KR if that makes you feel better about yourself, but below master, it's all the same.
: You wanna balance mages?
With the upcoming assassin update, i don't think mages need nerfs in order to remain under control.
: People need to stop throwing around mastery like it means a lot
"I am bad, therefore everyone else is" Come on dude, i'm sure you can write a better bait thread than this
love god (NA)
: Can everyone on the boards PLEASE stop overreacting?
You're trying to calm down a bunch of 12 year olds. It aint gonna work.
: Need Help
Well, i dont know anything about mac, but you might want to try to completely (delete all files related to league on your computer) delete it then download it again. A good program for that is Revo Uninstaller Pro.
Scazie (EUW)
: Just got half my usual LP for a won game.
The lp you get after the game doesn't only depend on your MMR, but other peoples MMR can make it change. If you are agaisnt a team with a high mmr, you will get more LP, but if they are on a lower level than you, you get less.
: Hex-tech crafting solution.
Excuse me, but wtf is your problem? There is no "solution" to hextech crafting because it doesn't have a problem. You get FREE SKINS and other things for FREE. Stop complaining please, and just let riot have this.
MrWasjig (EUW)
: Hold tight, I'm gonna derail this thread! http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/745/856/798.jpg
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: Singed passive
What is this... optimal build? I mean, whatever it is, if it doesn't have any mana item in it, then it's a pretty shitty build.
: Look, I like Dynamic Queue, BUT....
Welp... if you don't want 8-10 minute queue times, you gotta accept it the way it is. And knowing how people reacted along social media to longer queue times, the way dynamic queue is is the right way.
: offtank yi..
Yeah yi until next patch is pretty much cancer. The best thing is to just ban him out and never look back.
ToolooT (NA)
: Illaoi... Is it me or she's useless?
Illaoi is garbage in higher ELO's, but could be used to some effect in gold/silver given that her laning is pretty strong and can snowball out of control easily.
: can we please just accept that this should not be allowed to exist?
: Why not make the CHAMPS Motivate or Insult? o.o
Not going to happen. Way too much work with the voice acting, and very little payoff if you think about it. Riot is never going to spend even a penny on a feature like this.
: If you play Darius, you're probably bronze
I am a darius main and i'm in the top 2% on EUNE. Your tears give me life.
: Rageblade on Ekko
Definitely no. The only time where you actuall have an opportunity to stack it up is when you're hitting someone stunned. Otherwise, you die before you can stack it, or even you do, the empowered basic attacks are not good enough for a champ like ekko.
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