: I feel like in order for a champ to be a proper minion mancer their kit has to revolve around summoning one big minion and having their abilities work in tandem with the summon, but have the summoned minion be available at level 1. The minion mancers we have currently are Yorick (probably the closest with his ghouls and then Maiden), Annie, Mordekaiser (to a degree), Ivern, Malzahar, Heimerdinger, Zyra, and Azir, but most of these guys have their summons tied to their ultimates, and when they aren't an ultimate, they are just stronger lane minions and don't do much in terms of interactivity (excluding Heimerdinger's turrets, but they are immobile, same with Azir and his soldiers since he has to direct them.)
Tfw you mention Annie, Morde and Ivern as minionmancers when their access to their minion is very restricted and they are just a minor parts of their gameplay, but totally leave {{champion:143}} out. And I thought only Rito doesn't give a damn.
Thornhub (EUW)
: u can land a helicopter on that jawline
Oh my god your fucking nick!!! My eyes shall never be granted sight of anything more perfect
: @Riot Could we get a sketch of Evelynn as a male?
I'll just leave this here and log out again... https://imgur.com/vuC3mCo
TomiMan7 (EUNE)
: I've tried to dig it up but could not find it. Try to search for zyra with recent comments with riot reply, you might find it that way.
There's no such post recorded, only stuff I found was what I already read: Jinxylord talking about **his own view** on her, 20thCenturyFaux's post about changes that did not pass PBE and as the least there is her weird classification as a *catcher*. Nothing official, no comment from Meddler and definitely none that says she's a support now.
TomiMan7 (EUNE)
: In a recent update Meddler stated that Zyra IS treated as a support now, since her kit is more of an aggressive support style than a midlaner one.
I seem to miss this one, would you mind sharing it?
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: September 22
Would you care to express your opinion on Zyra mid or Zyra in general? My concern is that whenever there was another mage that got played in support role mainly (Brand, Malzahar) they got changed (Malzahar's complete Voidling rework, Brand only-for-mid buffs), but Zyra - although announced to be cared of as a midlaner in MYMU - got only nerfed because of support role and got pushed out of mid altogether (at least from the stats we have access to) without any compensation for mid? Now her winrate has been decreasing for a long time (mainly because the Ardent meta, but there is no indication of that getting any better in any way related to Zyra; then we have the AP itemization being systematically nerfed again and again, mainly the items Zyra builds). Should we reconcile with her being forgotten again as she was after season 3 up until MYMU?
: Akali should have better AD scaling in general. Maybe reworked to scale evenly between ap and ad. Suggestion maybe for the healing on first strike to scale off ad (if you remember old akali, it was 10ad gave her 1% spell vamp). Her e ability should also scale off ad rather than ap. Of course her q and ult should scale off ap. Right now She is more ap champion than the hybrid she is supposed to be. Food for thought, Why would you play akali ap when you can go Ekko or Diana who has a similar kit, scales better with ap and is way more tank with w shield and potential rod of ages. Sure you might get insane healing early game from akali but main problem is lategame she practically gets destroyed as soon as she goes for backline since everyone focuses her. Ap akali lategame is terrible compared to current meta. That being your trading early will also suck against champs like gnar, fiora, Nasus, and jayce who not only destroy you in lane but Completely ouscale you lategame.
Because Diana's early is trash, she can't sustain as Akali or pussystealth everytime the trade goes bad and she has mana. And in this meta early game is WAY more important than late game. That's why you'd pick Akali instead of Diana.
: Is Riot Pushing Blood Moon Jhin?
Why? Because it's a 1350 skin and you got a huge discount? Given all the informations you provided, you should be glad and nothing more 'cause there's no issue.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sexy Bisex Plant,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QzxhJhN8,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-20T00:08:26.113+0000) > > Why wouldn't I? These are Boards, nothing more than memes and people constantly bragging about their main, better get used to it. Yeah I'm trying to contribute meaningful and if you're not interested then I guess we're done here.
Lol nothing on these Boards is meaningful and you're naive to think so, noone important will ever notice your post and every rioter just rolls their eyes and scrolls past it, deal with that.
: zyra matches with other mage supports tf you talking about lmao
: Zyra is fine its just that ardent supports are to strong
Who cares about those support pussies, the issue is the bias: when other mage gets played support: insta help. Zyra get's played support (second time now): nerf nerf nerf forget.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ahri Lover Rock,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QzxhJhN8,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2017-09-19T23:41:18.307+0000) > > Yeah if you could not derail this into a complaint about ~~your~~ my main that'd be fantastic.
Why wouldn't I? These are Boards, nothing more than memes and people constantly bragging about their main, better get used to it.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Sexy Bisex Plant,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QzxhJhN8,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-09-19T22:49:26.770+0000) > > I'd say hopes are pretty high for this one. > > Let's mourn for {{champion:143}} and {{champion:90}} , who, unlike Vlad, got new base models, but got sentenced to have their older skins models updated like never. Yeah if you could not derail this into a complaint about your main that'd be fantastic.
I'd say it's more of a comparison, *but why should I argue about a desparity for attention with a main of someone who literally got an entire gamemode with 4 new maps just for themselves.*
: Zyra is SIGNIFICANTLY newer than Malzahar. Her model was actually very fine and modern, and the texture update was just polish. Malzahar, conversely, has an antiquated model, and desperately needs a VU/VGU to look modern.
Lul, gotta love the uneducated talking x3 First search for information, then argue. They both got their base models updated in MYMU (to me it looks like Malz's is just texture update, but who am I to judge, Riot said model update). You might be interested in the fact that her model was the #1 thing community called for when she was about to get updated, but hey, if this seems to you like a "polish" or even "texture update", there's no questioning you have someting wrong with your eyes. https://imgur.com/QxlICtZ
: When is Vlad due for a model update?
I'd say hopes are pretty high for this one. Let's mourn for {{champion:143}} and {{champion:90}} , who, unlike Vlad, got new base models, but got sentenced to have their older skins models updated like never.
: She flies so why would she need shoes
Maybe because her feet would be cold? She should wear thick woolen socks.
: Downvotes ruin lives
*Concepts and Creations* are like a ghetto with murder being a normal daily event.
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SSmotzer (NA)
: Yeah, this board has kind of become a toxic waste dump. I'd suggest going to Reddit.
And they even try to downvote you for saying that, lol, but have you seen any other comment saying why they do not like this? Me neither. Lmao.
: Just a note about your second point: He'd need 2,000ap to deal 1,500 damage with his ultimate, which comes to 1,850 when you factor in the base damage. He isn't instakilling anyone from full to dead with just his R, seeing as he'll NEVER hit anywhere close to 2,000ap.
That's basically irrelevant because the scenario of you being 100% full health unless in the Fountain is abstract, you always get his by some AA/ability/epic monster or something - otherways I wouldn't be seeing Veigar oneshotting people from **basically** full health and let's not quibble with "But you said full health, not basically full health" because that's not producive for the discussion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEzj-FjItJI Look for example at the Lucian at 1:20, Syndra hardly deals this damage with her ultimate unless super fed.
: His ult won't burst you as hard Syndra's from full to 0. It is an execute not an opener. His CC was good pre-rework and he was still considered unreliable. Now is garbage in league of blinks and dashes.
1. Syndra's R doesn't 100-0 you anymore either. 2. Yes, with enough AP (approximately he hits the amount in finishing midgame), he'll 100-0 you only with his ult, even after the MYMU change. 3. Event Horizon stops dashes and stuns you anyway. 4. It's a huge ass area and the delay is not even that huge, there are way more delayed spells and still are hard to dodge. You won't notice in in the chaos of a teamfight and it can close your whole team in a small area where you are vulnerable to any AoE from the enemy team and incapable escaping from their melee carries/turning in their ranged carries.
: Veigar is just a very bad Syndra that conitionally can get very strong late-late game, if you have other reliable AOE CC on your team, so he can actually land his abilities.
Yeah because he definitely can't click on you to delete you exactly as Syndra. And he definitely doesn't have the best non-ultimate teamfight CC ability in the game.
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: Mord is technically a hybrid AD-AP
Kayle too, but the AP option is realisticly superior.
: This sounds more as a Ultimate considering all the animation work involved ^^
He could have every head grown with levels, like two heads on level 6, three on level 11 and four on level 16, although that might be too much and could be too disproportionate with his base model.
: How exactly? They buffed solo lane Brand while nerfing support already and as someone else pointed out, there is another buff specifically for solo lane Brand on the PBE How is this anything like Zyra?
Right? I don't remember them buffing sololaning Zyra. Not even the manacost refund (not that it was the thing she needed).
archerno1 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sexy Bisex Plant,realm=EUNE,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=U24jEziU,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-09-14T15:09:10.781+0000) > > Considering there's only one AD champion in Pantakill which is Olaf, I guess we could say something about AD favoritism. Yorick is AD too.
: I played Pentakill Karthus, literally
Considering there's only one AD champion in Pantakill which is Olaf, I guess we could say something about AD favoritism.
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Jbels (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=sobi999,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dxLqa863,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-09-14T11:12:16.084+0000) > > I said this in 3 of my threads already. NONE believes me! The skill cap is raised even higher due to his range and thus safety being nerfed. The biggest problem is that his whole power budget is in his late game W which without items will be useless early game. Thus early game azir will just be a farm fiesta like it wasn't bad enough. Making use of that new AS passive will require alot of mana and i can see riot wanting azir to pick and kill its targets but then again that will raise his skill-cap even further as it requires alot more planning and decision making. The Ult not blocking the dash will now be used to kill targets and not as utility. I mean his E travelling time and Q range has been nerfed and ult no longer blocks dash. Obviously now a shuffle will pose even greater threats. The point i am getting across is that, he already has such a low winrate, mainly because of his high skill-cap and riot goes and makes it even higher. I really do hope his winrate drops even further so the changes are reverted. It's not even a skill cap thing anymore. Skillcap implies that your skill with the champion is rewarded. With this iteration, where's the reward? This is taking an already gimped champion and strapping iron weights to his wrists and ankles
I think he has mistaken skillfloor for skillcap.
: The main 3 people in the ADC "discussion"
I'm the third and I'm proud of it.
: They finally did it. I asked for it for so long and people told me I was just being butthurt
> Soldier Deactivation Range - "decreased from 800 to 660" Yeah, that would be such a problem if they let him do it....
Penns (EUW)
: what sarcasm exactly?o
Penns (EUW)
: it gets better tho, like "just let his E go on cooldown and engage afterwards", "he never feels bs because you made a mistake when he kills you" or https://youtu.be/NRLIZiVywVM?t=9m27s lel
Lmao how are people so stupid that they don't understand this level of sarcasm?
: Because Zyra support isn't great.
: because support malzahar was beyond broken he could solo kill an adc at lvl 2, keep bullying them for the entire laning phase tried to kill his voidlings? his adc was free to trade with you without talking about his bullshit ult zyra support is no way on that level
So that's because he has better damage. They could also just nerf him, but that would trash his mid- OH WAIT.
Tseison (NA)
: Could say the same about you but anyways, not surprise to be lashed out on these forums.
Actually you couldn't because I'm providing points and only thing you do is saying "hurr durr I right, you not" and downvoting, mature.
Tseison (NA)
: Anything to do with vines, go read up on poison ivy, what Illaoi does with her tentacles they should've gave to Zyra. But whatever, i'll wait for the next better plant based champion or come back when they decide to fix her.
But Zyra is not Poison Ivy nor Illaoi, the changes you propose would only make her another generic mage alongside likes of Brand, Veigar, Annie or Lux, only in a plant coat instead of fire, space, fire again and light one. I repeat for the chance you missed it when I said it first: Plants are core for her playstyle and theme. When MYMU hits it succeeded in the goal to make her use her plants more and distinguished her from these, it's not a good idea to go back there and further, that would be blatantly stupid and uncreative. You actually speak like someone who doesn't even play Zyra and if I'm not wrong on this one, you have no right to have an opinion like this. Especially when you have no idea how to fix her problems (actual idea, not "make her do something *viney*"). And as the last thing: Look how Poison Ivy fights in Injustice, you might be surprised.
Tseison (NA)
: Zyras kit needs an entire rework, period. Or just update the champion as a whole because clearly her plants are too much of a hassle for riot so, give her kit something else...
I can't imagine what other than her plants should she have, that's the entire core of her playstyle, would you mind presenting some idea?
: > I remember the days when assassins could actually flank and get picks then escape by punishing squishies out of position. I do too. Everyone complained about them just as much as they complain about ADC's now. Can everyone just stop using ''i remember the days... '' that is actually so dumb.
But he's not saying it like it was something good opposed to the classical "I remember the days...", it's more like "people actually made the effort to escape or try to assassinate with getting out instead of splitpushing or going for 1 for 1".
: First time posting a creation
Looks far better than in the preview! Interesting style, I'd say you should look at the left leg again and blend the shade a bit better, it's too sharp compared to the rest, then it will be perfect. Just FYI, finished painting* x3
Saewin (NA)
: God forbid she buy any of those, really
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: I see Malzahar, Anivia, and Swain right there in the top 15. I see absolutely 0 assassins and only 1 adc, although you could argue that Twitch qualifies as an assassin if you'd like. I see literally 0 AD mids that are supposedly taking over the game. Who am I kidding though? Once the boards circlejerk has started, there's no stopping it. Yes, mages are terrible, Lee Sin is OP, and towers need massive buffs.
Yeah wirate is not the only thing you need to judge: Compare the mages' playrate to the rest. You see, the playrate is comparatively pretty low (~100 000 games compared to Twitch's 500 000). That means only people who actually play these champions, like mains and stuff, thus extremely experienced with those champions, people who know exactly what they are doing, are playing them. Then of course their winrate is going to be high. On the other hand, the rest is played by everybody and everybody is doing well on them - that means those champions are overpowered faceroll picks, this is the reason Azir never went over 50% winrate even when he was OP. If these mages were played as much as the rest of the ladder here, their winrate would go dramatically, **dramatically** down.
: General Discussion
So how's your day? Are your pets doing fine?
: Except there aren't, and even if there were, it wouldn't prove anything. There's 2 supports in every game too; are you gonna say that supports are broken? Of course not. Thankfully, we have numbers. Immobile mages have the highest overall winrate of all the classes with tanks being a close second. If you want to win solo q games, you pick tanks and mages and stay far away from assassins.
Exactly! I hate it when people are so stupid they can't even look for themselves! Like right here, first, Janna, one of the most broken immobile mages for the whole time! Or second, Singed, I hate his broken AoE damage and CCs! Or Soraka and Sona, oh boy I hate being deleted by those two! Unfortunately only there are two champions that don't match our expectations in the top ten, {{champion:90}} (juggernaut) and {{champion:34}} (marksman), but the rest are all immobile mages! They have been the best for too long, we should completely gut them all! https://imgur.com/kRpUWiS
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