: What in the seven hells is happening with his arms in that Q animation?
https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/champion-update/dev-blog-animation-poppy
Vlada Cut (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sinistra,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=aUhqlEjn,comment-id=0003000100000000,timestamp=2018-06-18T12:16:19.542+0000) > > Call it however you want, and if you are liking it, you are lucky, because it will be like that. But that silly looking thing does not resembles a sword at all, at least his old pogo stick does. Oh, so his old sword that looked like a dildo looked more accurate than his new and actually sword looking sword? Wow.
Yes, even a dildo is closer to a sword than these abominations.
Vlada Cut (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sinistra,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=aUhqlEjn,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2018-06-15T15:45:51.659+0000) > > I kinda feel like that will a proble, yes. Because that oversized, funny looking glass mace clips with his base animations too. I don't reall think anything will change other than some number in his kit. Riot really just pushed this in with the leat effort they could do, so now they are over with it they won't even answer any community complain. Kinda sad. It's a sword, not a mace. And it looks better than his old pogo stick sword that would bend like plastic when critting someone lol.
Call it however you want, and if you are liking it, you are lucky, because it will be like that. But that silly looking thing does not resembles a sword at all, at least his old pogo stick does.
: The new Sea Hunter Aatrox sword looks like garbage
Just give up guys, all of the new aatrox swords looks garbage, and riot won't care, if your post is not about giving them compliments, they won't read it.
: After digging more into new Aatrox trying to be unbiased, i feel like i made a big mistake
Well, the title of your post was not wrong, they only answer questions about the means of playing/building boris or the compliments about the new lines. They basically just compliment fishing for the rework, the only real question they answered is that justicar aatrox will get back his old recall, but they won't answer the questions about his halo or walking animation or basic animation clippings, or anything like that.
Sinistra (EUNE)
: https://i.imgur.com/c6H1KMO.jpg The main problem with that i think they don't want to change the splash arts, or anything with visuals at all, since it would take too much effort. I think all of his swords looks garbage, maybe mecha looks the best of them, but it's still far from a swort. Swords should be narrowing down to the end, not became a big bulky mace like thing with no thrusting purpose at all. What is more enraging it even has more thrusting animaton than the old aatrox, despite his maces are not even good for that purpose at all.
https://i.imgur.com/14gUsVk.jpg These are obviously very shitty edits, but at least it somewhat shows what i'm talking about.
: Hey can we use the old sword for the mecha aatrox skin?
https://i.imgur.com/c6H1KMO.jpg The main problem with that i think they don't want to change the splash arts, or anything with visuals at all, since it would take too much effort. I think all of his swords looks garbage, maybe mecha looks the best of them, but it's still far from a swort. Swords should be narrowing down to the end, not became a big bulky mace like thing with no thrusting purpose at all. What is more enraging it even has more thrusting animaton than the old aatrox, despite his maces are not even good for that purpose at all.
Vıvıd (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sinistra,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=r8YMqX2a,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-15T07:07:48.143+0000) > > I just tried him out on pbe, didn't had an account because i tought it was harder to get one. > > It's a hones let down, i tought it would feel a bit clunky, but mostly will has audiovisual problems, but that's not the case. It doesn't even remotely fun playing, it really just feels like a super downgrade clunky riven. ive been playing him a bunch, as of right now im really enjoying him, I guess it really is just different strokes for different folks, im hoping I can get a high mastery when he comes out, but I understand if you don't like him
I'm honestly happy for ppl enjoying the new champion. I think i will just enjoy the remaining time with aatrox on live server before it's getting deleted with my skin.
: Revive, sustain, and the play pattern is much closer than other reworks like Poppy, Galio, and Sion. A rework like Poppy, while retaining her primary role (toplane) completely changed the class and pattern of the champion. Sion's rework changed both his role and pattern completely. Alternatively, Aatrox's pattern is closer to his previous one (given that's still partially a diver), and he's also still primarily in the same roles (top and jungle).
Sure he can revive and has a noticable sustain, but _close_ pattern to his old? I don't really understand that statement. Also i'm really confused with this "divernaut/juggerdiver" thing. His kit provides nothing for a diving, even his Q requires him to stay at mid range.
: No, I'm pretty sure my previous post was correct and you haven't refuted anything.
Then think what you want mate, i don't really care how you interpret his lines, or how you want to deny the shouting.
Sinistra (EUNE)
: Justicar Aatrox missing some teal
It kinda looks bad. https://i.imgur.com/9RcT4ui.jpg
Vlada Cut (EUNE)
: No, because it would collapse with his sword posure during his ult.
I kinda feel like that will a proble, yes. Because that oversized, funny looking glass mace clips with his base animations too. I don't reall think anything will change other than some number in his kit. Riot really just pushed this in with the leat effort they could do, so now they are over with it they won't even answer any community complain. Kinda sad.
: They used those lines... because those are the lines that play when he fights... you know... because he was fighting in the trailer...
They used those lines... you know... because he is an angry shouty man.
Vıvıd (NA)
: You might also want to actually play him on PBE... maybe once you actually try it instead of looking at it from a faced distance it may change your mind? and if it doesn't that's okay too if you still think its not good I get that
I just tried him out on pbe, didn't had an account because i tought it was harder to get one. It's a hones let down, i tought it would feel a bit clunky, but mostly will has audiovisual problems, but that's not the case. It doesn't even remotely fun playing, it really just feels like a super downgrade clunky riven.
Sinistra (EUNE)
: They confirmed it will get a unique recall soon.
His old recall is already up on pbe.
: Hey I really sorry you feel this way. So I'll try and answer your questions. **On: The loss of old Aatrox. ** I know you loved this "old thing" and you're not alone. Everyone on the team knew Aatrox was loved by a very, very small but very, very loyal group of fans. Unfortunately, we also knew Aatrox's gameplay was problematic, he was difficult to balance, he was item reliant; his model, lore, and VO weren't up to modern standards. And all those elements had to be better interconnected. Would you rather have watched aatrox fall into total irrelevance-- an unsupported, unplayable, "Quit trolling bro" pick? _**He had to change.** _ Because change is necessary. But yes it is hard- (crap, I've now got grey hair and a unfun doctor's appointment tomorrow) But that same change, is a part of what makes League great and what makes it feel fresh. It sucks to see something you liked change. But that's just it.. Aatrox is not dead. He is not a dead wife. He changed. He is reborn-- yes different than he was-- but the good feeling you had playing him? **_That _**is what we were trying to keep--- not the voice, not the gameplay loop, not the visuals. ** _That feeling. _** It's abstract and yes It's a _bit_ different now but I honestly feel if you give him the 30 games it takes to begin to unlock how he really works- how he really _**feels**_- you'll begin to get this is still Aatrox. Perhaps even more Aatrox than the original Aatrox was _Because you can have joy in change and your memories both. _ **On: Gaston vs Mufasa . ** So this is easier Q to answer and a bit more technical. Basically a single line can not capture who someone is (Real or fictional) It is the variance, it is the subtext, it is what people want and how they go about getting it. Creating characters is what I am interested in as I am a writer (and VO director). But the timbre of the voice is not what makes a character-- it can define a performer (actor) sure. But I must choose the actor I can best capture the emotional truth of the character over the actor with a sexy voice every time. (Though if I can get both... sweeeet.) ==note this is not saying the original voice actor was bad-- just he wasn't right for the role. I get that it's hard to see how this is true and matches the previous paragraph -- but it's true. The goal was to make a more Aatrox, Aatrox. Maybe we didn't hit that goal for you. But I'm asking you, humbly, to give him a real shot. Fun fact to end with: Change. Knowing that change is traumatic and yet it also a part of our game-- is part of the reason I built that thematic into Zoe and Illaoi. It's true, I love building levels, irony, and subtext. Thanks for capturing your feelings calmly. WAAAARGHbobo
It just might be me, but if you are not trying to keep the voice, or the gameplay loop, or the visuals in a game, maybe you are bound to fail on delivering the feelings too. He isn't feeling like aatrox, or a good champion at all.
: I mostly like how it looks, i just really want that halo over him. That's what made me get the skin in the first place.
That halo is also my main missing thing, if we don't get that back i might as well just delete the skin and champion.
: He also lost a unique recall :(
They confirmed it will get a unique recall soon.
: How bout you not assume everything about a person/event/place based on what you know is not all the information?
Let's just be clear, the trailer choose these lines _specifiacally_ to sell the champion. They had all the opportunity to use different quotes from him, but they went with the shouthing. And i didn't assume anything, the trailer shows he is an angry shouty man, and half of his voice lines confirms it, saying 3-4 deeper thing won't make him a philosopher, and even riot games didn't want you to percive him as one.
: Because clearly in the official release video of a champion they should be acting very calm or philosophical. They tried the subdued approach with Ornn's release video and people said they thought it was dumb or a mood killer.
How about not saying anything at all? It worked in the teaser.
lSlayer1 (EUW)
: What I said was not related to the Thread, I just wanted to know something about Aatrox: I just want to know why Justiciar Aatrox does not have its own redcall like the old Aatrox and I would like to know why the symbol of the star in R has not been added as the old one. I a m a little disappointed :S (sorry for my English, I'm not native English)
that teal colored halo was the main reason i bought the skin, we need it back
Vıvıd (NA)
: Personal preference? If im the only one then why did the game company see fit that he is so bad he needs to be redone?
Why do you even bother writing a comment to my comments if you are not even bothered to read them? The entire argument is started from that some people don't like the rework, you stated that is a needed upgrade and it was a necessity. I pointed out that not all of them are required changes and also stated the things i didn't like about the rework. You somehow can't understand that if he remained the same and this champion would be released at some point, nobody would have complained, because you would get your champion, and the others wouldn't complain because they are taking aatrox from us. Instead you get a new champion instead of an old one who you don't give a damn about it, and we just lose one. What i am trying to imply is, not everyone is liking the new aatrox, not because it's a bad champ, rather because it means they take the old one away from us.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sinistra,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=r8YMqX2a,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-06-14T20:38:32.176+0000) > > You didn't even try to make a point, you are just angry not everybody is as happy for this thing as you. Why can't you just accept the fact that there are people who are not happy how the old thing we used to loved changed? I wouldn't care at all if they said we release a champion named Riven 2.0, because i just simply wouldn't buy it, but you would, and could play your new "better and more fleshed out" champion however you want, while i still has my own good old aatrox. Instead, they say this is now aatrox which is clearly isn't. But to answer your further points. NO. I'm actually really happy tbh I actually feel bad that I feel so happy about people not liking him that much. Its just like when I first started to play him. I got to go in a game and pick him whenever I wanted because nobody wanted to play him. When they announced his rework, *so many people* wanted to play him for the self-importance points. I feel almost vindicated. I look at this as such a selfish win that I feel like I have to just debunk a lot of the nonsensical stuff people are saying about him. Lets not forget, Sion, poppy, ww, shen, etc, all had haters when they got reworked. All the "Riot you messed with *my* champion" was just as evident after those reworks. People wrote QQ threads about *their* champion being dead, RIP, qq old buddy, etc. The reason they changed them was they were either extremely outdated or their gameplay was just so stale nobody really wanted to play them. The issue is that Riot not only said he was getting reworked, but it was going to be the BIGGEST GAME PLAY REWORK EVER. Then you come on boards and qq as if you've never heard anything about it. It's just silly. > - No, his kit was not the same at all, and this proves why you fail to understand why people are upset over his change. His Q is his only escape and CC ability, so you have to choose between them, wich clearly doesnt happen when you look at tryndameres separate abilities or trundle who has no escape ability at all. His narrowing E gave him risk, if he was too far, he has difficulties to engage. But the most unique thing was his W, you had to choose between or dmg output, wich required to know the limits of champion, also you didn't had to hit the same target 3 times, like every other bullshit new champion, you could hit 3 different targets and change W mid swing. Also her revive required planning and setup, wich clearly isnt the thing with xin or tryndamere. And this is why you fail to understand the reality of his kit. You claim his is just like Rivens only its not. His Q is similar but he can't move, rivens Q _gives_ mobility. His q's also require a bit more aim, are slower, and deal more damage. his W is mostly akin to Kled's grapple... yet you don't even notice that. His E is used with his Q and the rest of his kit to offset his own self-stuns when casting. It's also the only mobility he has and is kinda like Renektons dashes only.. different. Their R's are nothing alike. Even in your first attempt to describe aatrox you were wrong. His Q isn't his only CC. He's had an E since release which slows enemies. How you don't know that, I have no clue. You go on to describe escape ability when Riven *obviously* has better escape tools than Aatrox. You don't even have to play him to see that. I wonder if you've even actually looked at his new kit. Then you say his "most unique thing was his W" which was a toggle for, you guessed it, his auto attacks. He was an auto attack champ who would have been great on DOTA2. I enjoyed him because, though he auto'd alot, he also had some great caster potential compared to his aa fighter peers. > - As far as i know, all the champions hold there weapon nonstop in their hands, so this is clearly not an argument. Not even sure you play the game that much tbf or else you'd automatically know that YASUO doesn't. He sheathes his. People actually have told rito they want to see more of this. So they did. > - Sometimes less is more Thats how I feel about his in-game model lol.
Okay guys, i admit it, you won. Your personal preference is superior to mine, therefore i am wrong. Enjoy the the new champion you got with that.
Vıvıd (NA)
: like I get it riots fucked up before, but they've done worse then take....whatever it is you wanna call old aatrox (id call it bleh) I highly recommend instead of just watching his interactions videos and judging his entire voice over based on that, you go here https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/jRfElUcg-people-are-actually-analysing-the-interaction-video-but-not-the-other-voice-lines its a good post about a lot of stuff aatrox actually says... has a bit more emotion which maybe is what you were hoping for?
I listened all his voice lines via http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Aatrox#PBE I wouldn't say all of his lines are bad, and the least i need is more emotions, he was a fully stoic war machine with simple and catchy lines, and _none_ of those lines mentioned himself.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sinistra,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=r8YMqX2a,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-06-14T20:01:38.550+0000) > > "Mastery? I must congratulate you, obviously your parents never had reason to." > > This is exactly a line i can hear from a frustrated little girl in a game, it doesn't fit a grown man, and there shouldn't be any lines connecting to mastery to begin with. > > I don't think in this post anybody said that the company is garbage, they said the rework is garbage which really IS. Not because it could not be a somewhat decent new champion, but because it should be an aatrox rework, wich clearly missed the theme. > > -I won't act like his wings were super cool, but he had wings, and niow its just some fancy way of showing his ult for "clarity reasons". > -His sword looks silly. Its just a really ugly mace, the mecha one is good tho. > -Justicar skin is just a dawnbringer riven 2.0 > -His kit is exactly the same as rivens kit, it's not original, and it isn't fun. > -His walking animations are pretty bad, looks really goofy. > -His voice is somewhat good, but it is not resembles aatrox at all. > -Half of his voice lines are pretty embarassing, other half is shouting. > > And the list goes on and on. I think it would be a decent new champion, but it has nothing to do with aatrox, this is just simply isn't him. You're right its not him. Its him but better and more fleshed out. I think they did really well with his theme. He looks awesome and I can't wait to play him... have you played him? I can also make a list of cons to his old version - His sword was silly and gimmicky. An accordion sword that like whipped around? Extended or something? J4 sword much only.. more awkward? - His old skins were terrible looking. Justicar looked okay. His old mecha looked really bad. I didn't even bother buying his pirate one. - His **kit was exactly the same as tryndamere's and Xin Zhao's and Trundles, and five other champions** because they all just auto attack all day.... BORING - His old walking animations where bad and overly simple. He always had his sword out even when there was no enemy around which made him feel way more static and less real. - His old voice could be very cringy and tried too hard to be "cool" and "deep". Plus he had like five things to say. And the list goes on and on.
You didn't even try to make a point, you are just angry not everybody is as happy for this thing as you. Why can't you just accept the fact that there are people who are not happy how the old thing we used to loved changed? I wouldn't care at all if they said we release a champion named Riven 2.0, because i just simply wouldn't buy it, but you would, and could play your new "better and more fleshed out" champion howewer you want, while i still has my own good old aatrox. Instead they say this is now aatrox wich is clearly isn't. But to answer your further points. - Yes, his old sword is also bad, but at least resembles a sword, it's narrowing down to a pointy end, therefore it makes sense he could use it to thrust. The irony is, he doesn't do that in the old animations, but now when his sword is just a mace, he use it to thrust. - He has bad skins, i think the mecha now came out better than the old one, justicar is still just dawnbringer riven, pirate skin is irrelevant in both versions - No, his kit was not the same at all, and this proves why you fail to understand why people are upset over his change. His Q is his only escape and CC ability, so you have to choose between them, wich clearly doesnt happen when you look at tryndameres separate abilities or trundle who has no escape ability at all. His narrowing E gave him risk, if he was too far, he has difficulties to engage. But the most unique thing was his W, you had to choose between or dmg output, wich required to know the limits of champion, also you didn't had to hit the same target 3 times, like every other bulshit new champion, you could hit 3 different targets and change W mid swing. Also her revive required planning and setup, wich clearly isnt the thing with xin or tryndamere. - As far as i know, all the champions hold there weapon nonstop in their hands, so this is clearly not an argument. - Sometimes less is more, he doesnt need to comment the enemy mastery token, because i don't want to.
Vıvıd (NA)
: his new voice is a smug little girl? what...
"Mastery? I must congratulate you, obviously your parents never had reason to." This is exactly a line i can hear from a frustrated little girl in a game, it doesn't fit a grown man, and there shouldn't be any lines connecting to mastery to begin with. I don't think in this post anybody said that the company is garbage, they said the rework is garbage which really IS. Not because it could not be a somewhat decent new champion, but because it should be an aatrox rework, wich clearly missed the theme. -I won't act like his wings were super cool, but he had wings, and niow its just some fancy way of showing his ult for "clarity reasons". -His sword looks silly. Its just a really ugly mace, the mecha one is good tho. -Justicar skin is just a dawnbringer riven 2.0 -His kit is exactly the same as rivens kit, it's not original, and it isn't fun. -His walking animations are pretty bad, looks really goofy. -His voice is somewhat good, but it is not resembles aatrox at all. -Half of his voice lines are pretty embarassing, other half is shouting. And the list goes on and on. I think it would be a decent new champion, but it has nothing to do with aatrox, this is just simply isn't him.
FAAtheguy (EUW)
: I think this problem really started to appear when you decided to let SkinSpotlight guy get the interactions early. Before we got all voice lines as a large video first with long and short lines mixed together. If that would've happened to Aatrox I don't think there would be so many complaints.
I don't understand how everybody blames skin spotlight for the aaatrox rework. The official video was the first what clearly communicated with the players that he is an angry shouty man, and skin spotlight was the one who showed the mastery flashing voice lines, what you are so proud of. The thing is none of this are appealing to the people who liked aatrox, because he neither was this angry man, or sassy little girl.
YuGiHo (NA)
: Idk why in the rework all his skins lost details. I dont have this skin but his mecha skin looks so basic and plain without his wings and the effects that his sword had.
After the new summoners rift map realese, they started to tone down on champion details, wich is kind of a shame, but these skins are especially plain.
Vıvıd (NA)
: Better metaphor: You go from loving a plastic doll to getting a ninja turtle (edit: a plastic doll with wings and a sword to a ninja turtle with kickflip action and wacky shell customization)
Just because you think the new aatrox is better you don't have to change your metaphor. The point wasn't that the barbie doll is better or worse than the ninja turtle, the point i'm taking i,s if i choose something what fits my preferences and they change that to something what is clearly the exact opposite to what i was used to, it's understandable that i became a little bit hostile. But if we want to stick to methapors, the new aatrox is still the barbie doll with it's smug little girl voice lines.
Vıvıd (NA)
: Aatrox's old identity was a borderline anime villain with little to no personality. His Old identity was a "Cool" theme that everyone liked because it was a take on a mysterious warrior but it had absolutely NO ground or performance in his character. And how can you say the rework is rushed when its obvious they put a lot of time an effort into his animations, VO, and overall expanding his them a CRAP ton? You cannot argue the fact that they have 100% done some thing Fresh and new (especially with the whole darkin theme) and while I understand if its not your forte, Saying its rushed and garbage however seems a little extreme don't you think? or is that because everyone else hates that he went from dark mysterious and edgy auto attack super fast to....I mean come on look at him dude seriously give him another taste....Ive tried him on PBE he is insanely fun, he can be countered pretty hard by super mobile champs which his niche is he is powerful, slow, but no here near "sluggish". I understand not liking it, but seriously? calling it garbage? That seems a bit like a child getting his crappy ninja turtles toy taken away, then calling everything that seems new or anything that ISNT that ninja turtle complete shit even though they haven't even spent time with the new toy/thing,...while I get you may like the original it would make sense if you give it time you may come to absolutely LOVE aatrox, but of course, I doubt anyone will actually give effort a time of day for the obvious effort that went into this champ...
When your ninja turtles toy has been taken away, and they gave you a barbie doll instead, maybe you have the right to call it a garbage, even if you could dress it up, or brush it's hair.
: Some people might hate how he's all "angry rage bwarg" but I honestly love all the jokes and directed taunts that he now has. Like the taunts towards Varus, which probably made light of a community idea where all Darkin had the "double a" naming convention and tried to put it to Varus as well. Also, all of his interactions towards mastery. Enough said.
The taunt towards varus is the only good thing about the rework i guess. Answering to flashing a mastery token is not even an angry man thing, it's an annoyed sassy little girl thing. It's so embarassing.
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Bazerka (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Jericho Azariah,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iBlkJks9,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2018-06-13T04:10:39.354+0000) > > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} > that is actually a lie, considering you guys looked at a roster chart of random individual and merely gave small amount of question. Similarly sry you feel that way :(
Now that is just sad, implying he just feels that way and you did everything you could to do a proper rework on aatrox. Askinkg aatrox mains is just a blatant lie, nobody would ask for turning his stoic war god into a sassy little girl with a mix of angry shouting german man who uses riven mechanics. You literally just ruined it's identity to fit with the other smug and edgy champions who are appealing for the younger generations.
: Remminder, you’re listening to just the “highlight reel” of Aatrox murdering people— not the full VO experience we mapped for walking from fountain, lanning, team fight, late game, challenging people, etc... etc.. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
I hope at least the poor chimpanze got paid well enough for the motion capture you did with him for the aatrox movement animations.
: Remminder, you’re listening to just the “highlight reel” of Aatrox murdering people— not the full VO experience we mapped for walking from fountain, lanning, team fight, late game, challenging people, etc... etc.. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
Yes, the joke and taunt voice lines will also make him sound like a sassy little girl and an angry shouting german guy at the same time. Oh what a fine rework we are about to witness. At least you did well on making his swords look super ugly and mace like, good job on that if that was intentional.

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