: Shaco rework concept.
That would be sick honestly
Rioter Comments
DeltaDan (EUW)
: Shaco Rework Idea
0 ap scalings? Nope
Cloud273 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tazxzx,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3PY6jzTA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-11-03T07:02:39.405+0000) > > Can you stop talking already? It's your second board on nerfing shaco man. You don't even play ranked. If riot has got any brain left then they shouldn't even take into consideration what you just said. No I will keep talking until something is done about this.
> [{quoted}](name=Cloud273,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3PY6jzTA,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-11-03T21:54:12.237+0000) > > No I will keep talking until something is done about this. You're a syndrom right? You have to be. (no offense)
Gildarzt (EUW)
: Because meta changed a lot and if you just revert shaco he will be permaban for sure. Shall i remember that his old Q did 220% damage + 20% and his E did 220 + 1ap + 1ad + 20%? Do you imagine that with the dark havest and duskblade? No, he needs a change not a revert.
> [{quoted}](name=Gildarzt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JsH4XsGV,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-11-02T10:03:07.346+0000) > > Because meta changed a lot and if you just revert shaco he will be permaban for sure. > > Shall i remember that his old Q did 220% damage + 20% and his E did 220 + 1ap + 1ad + 20%? > > Do you imagine that with the dark havest and duskblade? > > No, he needs a change not a revert. Because meta changed everything is a perma ban now LUL
Cloud273 (NA)
: Nerf Shaco plz
Can you stop talking already? It's your second board on nerfing shaco man. You don't even play ranked. If riot has got any brain left then they shouldn't even take into consideration what you just said.
Rioter Comments
: Just rework him so that's the only noise he makes.
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oy5EErr4,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-10-27T06:10:27.991+0000) > > Just rework him so that's the only noise he makes. Wait I don't think that was a compliment for him. It just sounded like you are going to nerf him to the ground when you rework him {{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}}
: Agreed. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oy5EErr4,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-10-26T23:09:16.722+0000) > > Agreed. > > OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH What about he has got the shaco has got his death screams on whole his kit? ;D
Cloud273 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ApothNinja,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xJo1rjkj,comment-id=000000010001,timestamp=2018-10-25T21:48:53.534+0000) > > Nope. What you're describing is just invisibility. It's the same thing on Vayne, Kaisa, Khazix, etc. Untargetable is like when Tristana is in the air, or you're in the midst of Kalista's ult, or when Talon is jumping over walls. It means you literally can't be hit with any ability. No it's not the same thing. Those abilities don't let you INSTANTLY reposition, unlike Shaco's 'q'. Stop spewing this bs.
> [{quoted}](name=Cloud273,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xJo1rjkj,comment-id=0000000100010000,timestamp=2018-10-25T21:50:12.274+0000) > > No it's not the same thing. Those abilities don't let you INSTANTLY reposition, unlike Shaco's 'q'. Stop spewing this bs. I don't think you should rant about champion that you probably haven't ever played in your life lmao xD You are just embarassing yourself. You said that there is no counterplay against him so you are probably low elo player because players like these usually complain about shaco. Oh wait you are unranked YIKES, i don't even know why you are writing this post then. Why the fuck would you write a post that says about champion's win rate when you don't even play ranked? Does it make even sense? It's like making shit without shit.
Paroe (NA)
: I miss the old E too - the ORIGINAL E with a 0.9AP ratio. Duck box shaco, its the most boring annoying playstyle. E-poke shaco all the way.
> [{quoted}](name=Paroe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=44iaUVK3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-22T12:23:47.740+0000) > > I miss the old E too - the ORIGINAL E with a 0.9AP ratio. > > Duck box shaco, its the most boring annoying playstyle. E-poke shaco all the way. Wait wasn't his ap ratio on E 1.0?
King Zeus (EUNE)
: Shaco Icon / Would you buy it?
: > [{quoted}](name=Tazxzx,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8QWrRuai,comment-id=0014000100000000,timestamp=2018-10-17T16:12:56.572+0000) > > You could go full armor runes, full ad runes, full scaling runes, full crit runes, full resists runes, full hp runes, full ap runes, full magic pen runes, full lethality, oh sorry it was named armor penetration back then why the fuck they changed it to lethality i dont even fucking now, full ap shaco, bruiser shaco, tank shaco, and now I get to buy a fucking duskblade instead of having fun by myself. I'm not playing the game, the game is playing me at this point. JUST LET ME FUCKING BREATH no offense but it is what the game become and this really pisses me off. And yet every rune since season 8 is nerfed or buffed non stop, LIKE CHAMPIONS, is this real? is this really for real? It's so hard to balance them out, you didn't have to care about old runes because they WERE BALANCED keyword BALANCED, but actually in this new rune set up you have to balance them that makes the game more unbalanced so people quit so you make more skins so people buy them so you make another big issue so people quit so you make another skin so people.............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz YIKESSS this is just a vicious circle man. And it's just not only my opinion I mean people quit for some reason so you......... ...Like literally everything you're saying was statistically a bad option. Yes, you could go it. I could also go full AP Garen if I wanted to. That doesn't make it good. What you're falsely conflating is that ANY choice is a good choice, even when the choice is at a detriment to you as a player. Yes, you could go those rune pages. No, nobody in the right mind would do so barring A.) meme games or B.) hyper-specific once-in-a-year match-ups. Even then, those match-ups often were varied depending on what else was in the game. Hell, you can go crazy dumb rune builds right now (I build Dark Harvest on anyone with an AA reset). Doesn't mean they're good choices. (Even more so in preseason when you can now select any stats) Plus more often than not, people hated playing against those builds you love so much. Yeah, AP Yi was fun for the person playing it. Not so much for the people playing against it. A common criticism that people run into these days too with every CT champion. Weird how it's a problem now but back in the day AP Yi medidunking back to full HP under the fountain tower was fine. I get it. You don't like the game now, that's fine. You're free to dislike the state of league and you're totally valid if you want to. But don't try to revise history and write over the history book with a black pen to justify how you feel.
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8QWrRuai,comment-id=00140001000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-17T16:50:07.477+0000) > > ...Like literally everything you're saying was statistically a bad option. Yes, you could go it. I could also go full AP Garen if I wanted to. That doesn't make it good. > > What you're falsely conflating is that ANY choice is a good choice, even when the choice is at a detriment to you as a player. Yes, you could go those rune pages. No, nobody in the right mind would do so barring A.) meme games or B.) hyper-specific once-in-a-year match-ups. Even then, those match-ups often were varied depending on what else was in the game. Hell, you can go crazy dumb rune builds right now (I build Dark Harvest on anyone with an AA reset). Doesn't mean they're good choices. (Even more so in preseason when you can now select any stats) > > Plus more often than not, people hated playing against those builds you love so much. Yeah, AP Yi was fun for the person playing it. Not so much for the people playing against it. A common criticism that people run into these days too with every CT champion. Weird how it's a problem now but back in the day AP Yi medidunking back to full HP under the fountain tower was fine. > > I get it. You don't like the game now, that's fine. You're free to dislike the state of league and you're totally valid if you want to. But don't try to revise history and write over the history book with a black pen to justify how you feel. Well then you just said that me going ap shaco back then was a braindead thing and I was memeing doing this. I mean why did you nerf his ap scalings on E then? This was a meme but he was fun to play. Why? If me going this was a meme back then already, then why? Now me playing ap shaco isn't even enjoyable because you can't outplay people because of lack of the damage, that's one thing. Second thing I want to talk about to you is the Nostalgia do you know what this word means? You delete old items and replace them by new? Why though? Is it your best thing to do, instead of even trying to balance them out? Recently banner got deleted because it was overpowered but as you know people didn't make it overpowered but design team or rather balance team as you want to call it and then their best thing to do is just delete it. Even if these items like DFG, banner would be bad and they were useless, people just want to have them in the shop to at least look at them because they have an option to buy them, how can I be not mad if they play with the fire, that they created. Third thing though is about what you said about weird builds. So people didn't like to play vs troll builds but how many troll builds like ap yi would you meet in for example 100 games? Maybe something like 8 times. I just wanted to remind you that usually low elo players complain about things they don't like. You said people don't like different builds but the people that dislike them are something like bronze or silver and the saddest part it's the majority of LoL so here's your statistics explanation, have you heard any pro players complaining about the game in hmm let's say season 5? I guess not. People loved the game and recently even Faker rant about your game, one of the best league of legends players. Oh boy if one of the best players in the world rant about the game that he has played since almost the beginning, you know the game is not in the good state. People loved the game before, numbers can say it. Oh and second thing about troll builds, you have got something like armor and magic resist in the game so you could easily counter for example my ap shaco on top and also he didn't have wave clear, sustain. So can't you just revert things that people loved about your game? By the way people don't like troll builds but they love Zoe and Akali for sure I mean people who play them has got the biggest amount of fun they ever had in their lifes but the people who play against them probably oppositely, that's what you just said people don't like troll builds but they love playing against Zoe, Akali, Pyke. Damn man. Last one thing, if ap yi back to full hp in the fountain was op you could just keep his ratios and make the fountain as it is now. Done. Yeah. It's done.
: > [{quoted}](name=Tazxzx,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8QWrRuai,comment-id=00140001,timestamp=2018-10-17T13:02:01.585+0000) > > Yikes dude I think like LoL is a new game every year and the sad part is that every year it&#x27;s worse and worse you miss the whole point of league in gameplay, you cut the player&#x27;s freedom to do builds that they like and making them play only one way, you think it&#x27;s good for the game? Oh boy, Yikers again. If you actually think there was variety, my man you've gotta get those rose-tinted goggles peeled off your face. We had a whole season (2) where brusiers, tanks, divers and generally any tanky DPS built the exact same thing (Metagolem). Runes were _always_ about going the same, optimal loadout every single game and if you weren't you were likely trolling/playing a meme game. The sad, earnest fact is that there is always a dominant strategy and any choice is an illusion you pretend there is because "No my AP on-hit Varus is actually super good." If anything, there's more variety now because the difference between different rune loadouts is like a 50 vs. 52% winrate rather than "You didn't go <x> runes, might as well be feeding".
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8QWrRuai,comment-id=001400010000,timestamp=2018-10-17T13:06:23.046+0000) > > If you actually think there was variety, my man you&#x27;ve gotta get those rose-tinted goggles peeled off your face. > > We had a whole season (2) where brusiers, tanks, divers and generally any tanky DPS built the exact same thing (Metagolem). Runes were _always_ about going the same, optimal loadout every single game and if you weren&#x27;t you were likely trolling/playing a meme game. The sad, earnest fact is that there is always a dominant strategy and any choice is an illusion you pretend there is because &quot;No my AP on-hit Varus is actually super good.&quot; > > If anything, there&#x27;s more variety now because the difference between different rune loadouts is like a 50 vs. 52% winrate rather than &quot;You didn&#x27;t go &lt;x&gt; runes, might as well be feeding&quot;. You could go full armor runes, full ad runes, full scaling runes, full crit runes, full resists runes, full hp runes, full ap runes, full magic pen runes, full lethality, oh sorry it was named armor penetration back then why the fuck they changed it to lethality i dont even fucking now, full ap shaco, bruiser shaco, tank shaco, and now I get to buy a fucking duskblade instead of having fun by myself. I'm not playing the game, the game is playing me at this point. JUST LET ME FUCKING BREATH no offense but it is what the game become and this really pisses me off. And yet every rune since season 8 is nerfed or buffed non stop, LIKE CHAMPIONS, is this real? is this really for real? It's so hard to balance them out, you didn't have to care about old runes because they WERE BALANCED keyword BALANCED, but actually in this new rune set up you have to balance them that makes the game more unbalanced so people quit so you make more skins so people buy them so you make another big issue so people quit so you make another skin so people.............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz YIKESSS this is just a vicious circle man. And it's just not only my opinion I mean people quit for some reason so you.........
: >For a company that balances around high elo, high elo players really don't like playing against champs that were recently made or reworked. They don't. Riot has said that the balance level they aim for is high plat/low diamond. While it's easy to think that's high ELO, in truth the skill and game disparity between low and high diamond is immense. It's a common trap people fall into that they assume plat is high ELO when it's really not the case. If Riot were to strictly balance around high Diamond+ (which I'd be totally on board with), the game would look _vastly_ different. Also a lot of the recent champ reworks happen to be meta. Not always the case (See the large span of time Evelynn, Yorick, Nunu, Sion, etc. haven't been meta) but it just so happens that these champs are meta. EDIT: Also wouldn't call Evelynn, Graves or Urgot to be "new reworks". Urgot/Eve have basically been out for a year while Graves is old as fuck at this point.
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8QWrRuai,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2018-10-17T02:11:12.790+0000) > > They don&#x27;t. > > Riot has said that the balance level they aim for is high plat/low diamond. While it&#x27;s easy to think that&#x27;s high ELO, in truth the skill and game disparity between low and high diamond is immense. It&#x27;s a common trap people fall into that they assume plat is high ELO when it&#x27;s really not the case. If Riot were to strictly balance around high Diamond+ (which I&#x27;d be totally on board with), the game would look _vastly_ different. > > Also a lot of the recent champ reworks happen to be meta. Not always the case (See the large span of time Evelynn, Yorick, Nunu, Sion, etc. haven&#x27;t been meta) but it just so happens that these champs are meta. > > EDIT: Also wouldn&#x27;t call Evelynn, Graves or Urgot to be &quot;new reworks&quot;. Urgot/Eve have basically been out for a year while Graves is old as fuck at this point. Yikes dude I think like LoL is a new game every year and the sad part is that every year it's worse and worse you miss the whole point of league in gameplay, you cut the player's freedom to do a build in only one way instead of giving people freedom and let them build what they want, you think it's good for the game? Oh boy, Yikers again.
King Zeus (EUNE)
: Shaco Joker skin?
Yeah why not I mean riot won't do that because they would ask the company for the rights but that's fine
King Zeus (EUNE)
: Elderwood Shaco / (:
I like the position of shaco It would be cool if he was like this till he attacks
: Fiddlesticks VGU Concept (Version 2)
Good luck I am sure riot will do it (Kappa). Anyway good ideas
Meddler (NA)
: LoL's always had ramping gold bounties. Those have been based purely off champion kills up until now however, so they do 'punish' you for doing well/give the enemy a chance to catch up, but only reflecting certain types of success. We're looking to shift bounties from being 100% champion kill based to something like 70% champion/30% minion or monster. That better reflects actual advantage and removes a soft incentive to just farm and minimize risk (so many reasons to do that already regardless).
> [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=k0OgvRkx,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2018-10-10T16:00:34.302+0000) > > LoL&#x27;s always had ramping gold bounties. Those have been based purely off champion kills up until now however, so they do &#x27;punish&#x27; you for doing well/give the enemy a chance to catch up, but only reflecting certain types of success. We&#x27;re looking to shift bounties from being 100% champion kill based to something like 70% champion/30% minion or monster. That better reflects actual advantage and removes a soft incentive to just farm and minimize risk (so many reasons to do that already regardless). So league of legends became a kid's game that gives enemy team a chance to catch up instead of being a great player? Maybe that's why there are so many boosted players in your game.
: old shaco you can build ap if you build ap on new shaco, you are trolling
> [{quoted}](name=Daze Clover,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I3HkN39K,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-09T05:07:04.748+0000) > > old shaco you can build ap > if you build ap on new shaco, you are trolling Maybe that's the problem, that they reworked shaco to such a braindead champion that can build only one way. If they reverted him I'd play ap shaco 24/7 without a break. But as you said for now me going ap shaco "is trolling" :(
King Zeus (EUNE)
: Can a Rioter confirm if Shaco is still tier1 in the VGU list? Cheers.
Probably not rioters don't come to the shaco boards FeelsBadMan
: > [{quoted}](name=Tazxzx,realm=EUNE,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=cKj0Ry3J,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-05T13:02:11.393+0000) > > Ok this one&#x27;s the best I have seen so far from you I really wish they&#x27;d do that. Please can you add this to shaco reddit? So people can give views on this board. It means you have not seen the Devil Shaco skin concept yet
> [{quoted}](name=HungryAngry2SPP,realm=EUNE,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=cKj0Ry3J,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-10-05T22:36:03.546+0000) > > It means you have not seen the Devil Shaco skin concept yet I have seen all of fan made shaco skins but this one's the best in my opinion. That's just my opinion because I see his own animations.
: Preseason Dev Update Number 2!
I miss the days when you gave us the option to be creative and these changes are shit can't you just revert old runes? I hate this new rune system when you nerf and buff every rune every patch that's so annoying, in old runes everything was fine but I guess you destroyed the game for the matter of your sick "change" system.
King Zeus (EUNE)
: Blood Moon Shaco
Ok this one's the best I have seen so far from you I really wish they'd do that. Please can you add this to shaco reddit? So people can give views on this board.
King Zeus (EUNE)
: Nightbringer Shaco
Surprise party shaco plox
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=1022,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XrxOZ8kF,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2018-09-27T00:04:27.993+0000) > > so shaco is cancerous champion which u never allow to be strong in soloq for longer than a day but kha which is basically a better version of shaco gets a buff because of reasons, no wonder player base keeps dropping. Keep in mind that Shaco has had decently long stints this season where he had high presence and high win rate. I would also disagree with the assertion that Kha'Zix is a better version of Shaco; both the metrics and play patterns disagree. Additionally, Shaco is currently trending towards being a relatively high win rate jungler, though there's a large discrepancy between high and low elo. He's trending towards sub 50 in low elo and 53%+ in high elo.
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Novalas,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XrxOZ8kF,comment-id=000100020000,timestamp=2018-09-27T01:07:28.931+0000) > > Keep in mind that Shaco has had decently long stints this season where he had high presence and high win rate. I would also disagree with the assertion that Kha&#x27;Zix is a better version of Shaco; both the metrics and play patterns disagree. > > He&#x27;s trending towards sub 50 in low elo and 53%+ in high elo. Statistics again... Look at his play rate and tell me again he's OK at the current meta when his E deals literally no damage but if you build duskblade you can one shot people. Do you really not see the problem? That balancing assasins is SO inconcistent because of duskblade? I don't have to be the design director to tell this, so keep it up nerf shaco more because of the overpowered duskblade :) The best thing you could do is remove duskblade from the game (or change the way it works) and revert every assasin in the game, and PINK WARDS, maybe then you wouldn't have problems with "balancing" assasins. There was something about league back then that you could do everything you want, bruiser shaco, ap shaco that wasn't even op he was my favourite pick because of fun you could do with him but you killed him for some reason I don't even know why, full ad shaco, unique builds and now? Here you have your duskblade boy have fun with one shotting people when shaco was supposed to be a mindgame champion but now he isn't even unique, and if you are still reading this comment to the end I just want to tell you one last thing, he isn't fun anymore.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: September 19
Hello Meddler what do you think about removing duskblade from the game (or changing the way it works) because balancing assasins is really inconcistent and revert every assasin and "Pink wards"? That would really balance the game, I really miss the days of ap shaco. But now it's pointless with his E dealing 105 base damage (at lvl 5 of E) and 75% ap ratio. Revert his E damage please!
King Zeus (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tazxzx,realm=EUNE,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=WUUzOpfF,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-01T12:58:53.877+0000) > > According to me it doesn&#x27;t fit him but the other one that you did &quot;Death Sworn&quot; shaco fitted him really well and maybe (if you have got a time) try to do death sworn shaco in the same model as &quot;world breaker shaco&quot;. We REALLY need a shaco skin with own animations. Im really curious what skin will riot make for him , i think everything i post is for nothing but anyways , im hoping as well that he will get a legendary skin or something.
> [{quoted}](name=King Mundo,realm=EUNE,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=WUUzOpfF,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-10-01T13:11:39.821+0000) > > Im really curious what skin will riot make for him , i think everything i post is for nothing but anyways , im hoping as well that he will get a legendary skin or something. He deserves a legendary skin because of a 3 year gap.
King Zeus (EUNE)
: Worldbreaker Shaco
According to me it doesn't fit him but the other one that you did "Death Sworn" shaco fitted him really well and maybe (if you have got a time) try to do death sworn shaco in the same model as "world breaker shaco". We REALLY need a shaco skin with own animations.
: No rework him again. He deserves better than both of his iterations
> [{quoted}](name=LeAnime,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Oq377tqV,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-29T18:13:19.453+0000) > > No rework him again. He deserves better than both of his iterations Nah man he will be even more unfun if they reworked him, I mean the current version isn't fun already but the old shaco was beyond fun with stacking boxes and more E damage instead of bullshit duskblade
Tazxzx (EUNE)
: I want this skin even more than the demon one ;D
> [{quoted}](name=Tazxzx,realm=EUNE,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=kgMp88B6,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-09-29T18:08:24.589+0000) > > I want this skin even more than the demon one ;D The splash hyped me already :)
King Zeus (EUNE)
: Death Sworm Shaco
I want this skin even more than the demon one ;D
: Thats sick as fuck. But riot doesnt want this iteration of shaco being popular so he likely wont get ANY skins any time soon. Sigh
> [{quoted}](name=Bretonnian,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=kgMp88B6,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-09-29T17:42:37.435+0000) > > Thats sick as fuck. But riot doesnt want this iteration of shaco being popular so he likely wont get ANY skins any time soon. Sigh Riot just said that they are going to do a shaco skin dude ;D
: I wouldn't mind it if sweeper didn't activate the boxes, just reveal. Like with Teemo Shrooms.
> [{quoted}](name=NoobLearninGame,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bFlM3A0B,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-09-27T05:07:01.033+0000) > > I wouldn&#x27;t mind it if sweeper didn&#x27;t activate the boxes, just reveal. Like with Teemo Shrooms. Agree
King Zeus (EUNE)
: Lets talk about Shaco
They created a champion that even they hate lmao xD, that's actually sad dude.
: A propose of Shaco changes.
I would like this but the truth is riot is not smart enough to do that, shaco's fine according to them. And that's actually sad. They gave red trinket for players at lvl 1 and control wards to nerf his boxes and at this point his E doesn't deal any damage. So these changes are really good according to me I also miss stacking boxes.
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tazxzx,realm=EUNE,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=5UGHt25h,comment-id=006e,timestamp=2018-09-21T13:39:51.250+0000) > > Hello Meddler I just wanted to ask you one thing, > are you going to touch ap shaco someday? {{item:3364}} and {{item:2055}} really counter him and his ap scalings on E are really bad. Oh no a champion has counterplay! No, shaco needs no buffs.
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=5UGHt25h,comment-id=006e0000,timestamp=2018-09-23T12:20:27.956+0000) > > Oh no a champion has counterplay! > > No, shaco needs no buffs. Buy mr, buy fucking mr it's not that fucking hard.
Haziv (EUW)
: Can someone just revert Shaco like you did to Rengar?
I mean the current shaco is shit because he is like that braindead assasin rengar or lb and old shaco could be played on any role, with any build bruiser, ap, tank, ad and he was more skilled. Riot made shaco rework good for bad people and bad for good people. Like they're destroying their own game on their wish that's so strange.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: September 19
What do you think about taking out shaco's damage from Q and reverting his E - 100% ap ratio 210 base damage 100% ad ratio and also making his E adaptive so people can have fun playing ap shaco and it wouldn't affect ad shaco?
: Nah. Shaco doesn't need any changes, and certainly not to one of the most annoying aspects of his kit. Mains are winning on him just fine and when he's even remotely buffed or changed or anything around him changes, in some cases, he's completely over bearing.
> [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bFlM3A0B,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-09-21T13:27:42.068+0000) > > Nah. Shaco doesn&#x27;t need any changes, and certainly not to one of the most annoying aspects of his kit. Mains are winning on him just fine and when he&#x27;s even remotely buffed or changed or anything around him changes, in some cases, he&#x27;s completely over bearing. The best way to keep their game alive is to bring back pink wards remove duskblade and revert every assasin in the game because that was the biggest failure in the LoL history :^)
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: September 19
Hello Meddler I just wanted to ask you one thing, are you going to touch ap shaco someday? {{item:3364}} and {{item:2055}} really counter him and his ap scalings on E are really bad.
: So those level 1 Sweepers and Pinkwards can find all of his boxes in one spot instead of having to walk around looking for them? Sure. That said, no one in their right mind will choose not to have a warding trinket at level one. .-.
> [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bFlM3A0B,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-21T09:52:04.228+0000) > > So those level 1 Sweepers and Pinkwards can find all of his boxes in one spot instead of having to walk around looking for them? Sure. > > That said, no one in their right mind will choose not to have a warding trinket at level one. .-. Red trinket is beyond aids it lasts 10 secs so it doesn't really matter where the boxes are :) people can turn off their minds for 10 seconds for free item. So I want stacking boxes back because it won't be such a buff in this case.
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Nalisai (NA)
: Augments v. Masteries
If they would do augments for every champion instead of masteries it would bring back their game to live again.
: https://imageproxy.ifcdn.com/crop:x-20,resize:320x,crop:x800,quality:90x75/images/98d9c6a26a570206a3de96da8b71e72e675974491fbf65ad22961088faffb9f2_1.jpg Shaco's E does 55 / 80 / 105 / 130 / 155 (+ 60 / 75 / 90 / 105 / 120% bonus AD) (+ 75% AP) physical damage. Doing 150 at level 18 is impossible unless you fighting a tank, took non-damage runes, and never bought items. Additionally it increases by up to 50% based on the targets missing health, so even more bonus points against the possibility of it only doing 150 when used properly.
> [{quoted}](name=Tormentula,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2wGpn0f3,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-09-17T18:16:16.055+0000) > > https://imageproxy.ifcdn.com/crop:x-20,resize:320x,crop:x800,quality:90x75/images/98d9c6a26a570206a3de96da8b71e72e675974491fbf65ad22961088faffb9f2_1.jpg > > Shaco&#x27;s E does 55 / 80 / 105 / 130 / 155 (+ 60 / 75 / 90 / 105 / 120% bonus AD) (+ 75% AP) physical damage. Doing 150 at level 18 is impossible unless you fighting a tank, took non-damage runes, and never bought items. > > Additionally it increases by up to 50% based on the targets missing health, so even more bonus points against the possibility of it only doing 150 when used properly. Well maybe 150 at lvl 18 is too low but look at the old shaco's e and today's shaco e and you'll see that he had better ap scalings maybe a little worse ad scalings but his base damage was 210 instead of 105 so I guess there's no comparison that his old e was better, his passive was better too. By the way why is his e physical damage? Has someone asked for it? I guess not. Again great job as design team to do random things like that. Why wouldn't they make it adaptive then? I don't even know dude. And yeah buff yasuo more so these guys can int more and buy more skins to him $$$ meannnwhile shaco didn't get a skin since 2015 :), then they're like "why are ppl quitting our game" LUL
: when 55% WR is still too low so the Shaco mains come crying that he's bad. Shaco mains are a meme at this point
> [{quoted}](name=WhoIsThisDude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2wGpn0f3,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-09-17T15:47:06.768+0000) > > when 55% WR is still too low so the Shaco mains come crying that he&#x27;s bad. Shaco mains are a meme at this point I don't know if you played before this assasin "rework" but this champion was fun someday you could build him as tank as ap carry and now? you build him like these all braindead assasins with duskblade when you one shot everybody and die in tf's. I don't care about his winrate tho he's just not fun as he was and also his e doesn't deal damage and his e was the second fun thing about this champion after his boxes that you could go ap with
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