Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Xalasmeni Banana,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IWYF0klJ,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2019-08-31T07:43:39.941+0000) > > I find it especially hard to believe people still spend so much money on this game when i've seen the census with my own eyes which is "My friend list is 70% dead and inactive" and that a lot of people seem to de-cry Riot's policies. > > I know i cut my LoL spendings to 10 dollars per 6 months or so, if at all. I can't be the only one that is being put off currently. There is no way. > > And their aggressive monetization tactics speak louder than words on their earnings. You still haven't told me what site's data I'm allowed to use, and that isn't everyone as we can see.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IWYF0klJ,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-31T07:44:37.490+0000) > > You still haven't told me what site's data I'm allowed to use, and that isn't everyone as we can see. I said Kotaku. Also the site you linked claims to have stats for July only. So League is supposedly 2nd on earnings on a dead month everyone is on vacations or planning vacations. You sir win the internet. Year long figures matters. The earnings for 1 hour or 1 month mean nothing. Give me year long stats and how they compare with Riot's previous years. I want to see a graph of Riot's earning in 2014-2015 compared to 2019. I am pretty sure you will see the graph declining like a waterfall.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Xalasmeni Banana,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IWYF0klJ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-31T07:13:24.592+0000) > > Dungeon Crawler online... lol. Are you joking man? > > And the page you linked doesn't even have stats on money earned. What site am I allowed to use then? > Fortine 5th and PUGB 9th? Looks more like bogus fake data. Again, what is your site then?
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IWYF0klJ,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-31T07:15:01.715+0000) > > What site am I allowed to use then? > > Again, what is your site then? Kotaku
Hawt (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Xalasmeni Banana,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IWYF0klJ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-31T07:13:24.592+0000) > > Dungeon Crawler online... lol. Are you joking man? > > And the page you linked doesn't even have stats on money earned. > > Fortine 5th and PUGB 9th? Looks more like bogus fake data. Superdata is a respectable source. You forget that Fornite isn't very popular in China. Fortnite was only popular in the west. A game that can't break into China will never compete with those that have a presence in the west and east. Furthermore, PUGB has the same problem like Fornite. Ever since Fornite has taken a commanding lead in the BR category, PUGB has been on the decline. PUGB is popular in Korea, which is the one saving grace. PUGB is owned by a Korean company called Bluehole, which is why the game is probably popular in Korea. Koreans tend to favor Korean companies if they have a choice much like Japanese.
> [{quoted}](name=Hawt,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IWYF0klJ,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-08-31T07:15:32.742+0000) > > Superdata is a respectable source. You forget that Fornite isn't very popular in China. Fortnite was only popular in the west. A game that can't break into China will never compete with those that have a presence in the west and east. Furthermore, PUGB has the same problem like Fornite. Ever since Fornite has taken a commanding lead in the BR category, PUGB has been on the decline. PUGB is popular in Korea, which is the one saving grace. PUGB is owned by a Korean company called Bluehole, which is why the game is probably popular in Korea. Koreans tend to favor Korean companies if they have a choice much like Japanese. I find it especially hard to believe people still spend so much money on this game when i've seen the census with my own eyes which is "My friend list is 70% dead and inactive" and that a lot of people seem to de-cry Riot's policies. I know i cut my LoL spendings to 10 dollars per 6 months or so, if at all. I can't be the only one that is being put off currently. There is no way. And their aggressive monetization tactics speak louder than words on their earnings.
Jamaree (NA)
: Sorry to disappoint you, but as of July 2019, they are the second most profittable PC game according to super data, they aren't going anywhere, also, this game isn't even slightly pay to win. There are a LOT of problems with the game right now, but that is one of the few things they are getting right. https://www.superdataresearch.com/worldwide-digital-games-market/
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IWYF0klJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-31T06:57:46.401+0000) > > Sorry to disappoint you, but as of July 2019, they are the second most profittable PC game according to super data, they aren't going anywhere, also, this game isn't even slightly pay to win. There are a LOT of problems with the game right now, but that is one of the few things they are getting right. > > https://www.superdataresearch.com/worldwide-digital-games-market/ Dungeon Crawler online... lol. Are you joking man? And the page you linked doesn't even have stats on money earned. Fortine 5th and PUGB 9th? Looks more like bogus fake data.
Rioter Comments
: The toxic people in here saying that they are going to flame anyone who buys these makes me want to buy them, even if I didn't even consider to do that before.
> [{quoted}](name=Chembaron Yamada,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tlwjEJJv,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-08-24T11:40:51.843+0000) > > The toxic people in here saying that they are going to flame anyone who buys these makes me want to buy them, even if I didn't even consider to do that before. Buy them. I'm going to flame you if i see you ingame. That's what Riot's decisions are doing. Polarizing the playerbase is bad. Very bad
Bazerka (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hayato500,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=0fzsz0ty,comment-id=002b,timestamp=2019-08-31T03:15:31.932+0000) > > Do you think that Rioters are communicating enough with the community? If no then why don't they? :) So personally, I hope to see more Rioters engage with the community. However, I also understand why they dont. Often times Rioters tend to be introverts where conversation & large crowds (real or virtual doesn't really matter) are really stressful, so they don't engage. I want Rioters to engage with the community in the ways they feel the most comfortable is all. That being said, its a two person dance this communicating thing :). When people just ALL CAPS YELL ANGRY STUFF AT RIOTERS JUST CAUSE THEY HAVE A RED TAG that doesn't do a lot to encourage more engagement. Kind words (yes you can be kind and disagree) go a long way to encouraging conversation :)
> [{quoted}](name=Bazerka,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=0fzsz0ty,comment-id=002b0000,timestamp=2019-08-31T05:36:11.319+0000) > > So personally, I hope to see more Rioters engage with the community. However, I also understand why they dont. Often times Rioters tend to be introverts where conversation & large crowds (real or virtual doesn't really matter) are really stressful, so they don't engage. I want Rioters to engage with the community in the ways they feel the most comfortable is all. > > That being said, its a two person dance this communicating thing :). When people just ALL CAPS YELL ANGRY STUFF AT RIOTERS JUST CAUSE THEY HAVE A RED TAG that doesn't do a lot to encourage more engagement. Kind words (yes you can be kind and disagree) go a long way to encouraging conversation :) I never heard of introverts being... uncomfortable communicating through message boards and chat. If anything they give you the opportunity to communicate at your own speed. That sounds completetly illogical. For me, it's more company policy and general lack of interest because why would i bother talking to people and mess something up and lose my job when i make fat $$$. A good deal of people have lost their jobs for making a post their company didn't like or the SJW crowd found too displeasing to bear with.
: What is your favorite event and why? (Mission only events dont count)
> [{quoted}](name=King Braum,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=0fzsz0ty,comment-id=0013,timestamp=2019-08-30T20:17:45.180+0000) > > What is your favorite event and why? > (Mission only events dont count) What events? We didn't have those since forever. Now it's only kill 9000 wolves and come back to complete the quest and get 100xp and 20 gold.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 23
PVE modes please. It's all i have played besides SR and One for All.
: Heres my question. When did you start playing? I started playing start of Season 1. I fell in love with the game. And thats that. I fell in love with Summoners Rift. There was no ARAM, there was no URF mode. No events, hell there wasnt even ranked yet. I consider myself a casual player. Maybe a few games a week. Ranked here and there. I play fill usually because i like to mix it up. I still have a ton of fun. You do mention that winning is whats fun. You do have to remember this is a PVP game. You winning means someone else is losing. Now if their version of fun is ALSO winning. Well that literally means noone can ever be happy 100% of the time. Try to find other ways why you enjoy the game and forget all the fluff that Riot has added through the years. If you started league as far back as i did, try to remember why you spent hours and hours playing one game mode when nothing else was available. If you didnt start that far back...maybe play a few games without the inention of hard smashing your opponent, and see what else makes the game fun.
> [{quoted}](name=PhoenixArc,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KAjYxUdA,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2019-08-21T22:00:16.483+0000) > > Heres my question. When did you start playing? > > I started playing start of Season 1. I fell in love with the game. And thats that. I fell in love with Summoners Rift. There was no ARAM, there was no URF mode. No events, hell there wasnt even ranked yet. I consider myself a casual player. Maybe a few games a week. Ranked here and there. I play fill usually because i like to mix it up. I still have a ton of fun. > > You do mention that winning is whats fun. You do have to remember this is a PVP game. You winning means someone else is losing. Now if their version of fun is ALSO winning. Well that literally means noone can ever be happy 100% of the time. Try to find other ways why you enjoy the game and forget all the fluff that Riot has added through the years. If you started league as far back as i did, try to remember why you spent hours and hours playing one game mode when nothing else was available. > > If you didnt start that far back...maybe play a few games without the inention of hard smashing your opponent, and see what else makes the game fun. Back then smurfimg didnt exist and people were universally noobs, boosters iddnt exist, account selling didnt exist, balance was aasier due to less and SIMPLER champions without 800 lines worth of passive's text. That's what made the game fun.
: > [{quoted}](name=PzyXo,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KAjYxUdA,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-08-20T18:23:19.964+0000) > > Can we get a TL;DR ? Same as usual Riot doesn't provide enough playable content for 4fun players be it through modes or events Which is true
> [{quoted}](name=Shieda Kayn,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KAjYxUdA,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-08-20T18:29:30.577+0000) > > Same as usual > Riot doesn't provide enough playable content for 4fun players be it through modes or events > Which is true They provide events. It's just a monthly grind with a ridiculously costed golden chroma skin slapped on the grind. {{sticker:sg-jinx}}
o Mim o (NA)
: I Think I'm The Oldest Player on the NA Server
Sweet mother of Jesus, i'm 35 and i thought i'm grandpa level of age for the game. Respect dear madam.
Dignitis (EUNE)
: Gold Reward
I will personally feel very cheated if people who play TFT ranked get the gold skin from the main game. It will mean absolutetly nothing to play ranked anymore. In my eyes you can get TFT related rewards and that's fine.
: > [{quoted}](name=Xalasmeni Banana,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RiEmu4jA,comment-id=000000000000000000020000,timestamp=2019-08-15T00:50:10.434+0000) > > I never said that there's no likely possibilities but it's been done in the past by devs of other companies and Riot is a pretty big place. It's a possibility. That's all there is to it. Of course it’s a possibility, but your original comment was clearly an implied accusation. You weren’t speculating out loud; you were calling someone a Riot employee just because they defended Eternals. The only other possibility that I can think of is that you lack the ability to look at yourself objectively, in which case you should seriously reconsider your wording.
> [{quoted}](name=Kairoptra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RiEmu4jA,comment-id=0000000000000000000200000000,timestamp=2019-08-15T01:08:57.483+0000) > > Of course it’s a possibility, but your original comment was clearly an implied accusation. You weren’t speculating out loud; you were calling someone a Riot employee just because they defended Eternals. > > The only other possibility that I can think of is that you lack the ability to look at yourself objectively, in which case you should seriously reconsider your wording. An accusation, implied or not is still a possibility because the very word accusation means that you accuse someone for something that might or might not be true. Accusation -> "a charge or claim that someone has done something illegal or wrong." Emphasis on the word claim. That's why there's courthouses and proper proceedings because anyone can claim anything. Someone might accuse me of being an Eternal. And might i also add that i brought up some quick arguments to back the claim, perhaps idiotic arguments or not i don't care but i didn't just wake up one day and decided to make the said claim. Satisfied now?
: > [{quoted}](name=Xalasmeni Banana,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RiEmu4jA,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-14T22:08:45.522+0000) > > You're lvl 30 which means you haven't been playing after the level cap was raised. Your account almost looks as if it's a Riot employee account. Not to mention you have replied to every single thread about the Eternals. Or... he could just have a different opinion than you? I definitely don’t agree with him, but it’s complete BS to immediately accuse him of being a Riot employee because of it. I’ll admit the level 30/no games thing is suspicious, but there are other, equally likely possibilities. For example, this might be an account he made on the side but doesn’t use anymore outside of the Boards. Maybe he’s paranoid that someone will recognize him in-game and start being toxic. It’s always best to assume incompetence before malice where applicable.
> [{quoted}](name=Kairoptra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RiEmu4jA,comment-id=00000000000000000002,timestamp=2019-08-15T00:44:27.244+0000) > > Or... he could just have a different opinion than you? I definitely don’t agree with him, but it’s complete BS to immediately accuse him of being a Riot employee because of it. > > I’ll admit the level 30/no games thing is suspicious, but there are other, equally likely possibilities. For example, this might be an account he made on the side but doesn’t use anymore outside of the Boards. Maybe he’s paranoid that someone will recognize him in-game and start being toxic. > > It’s always best to assume incompetence before malice where applicable. I never said that there's no likely possibilities but it's been done in the past by devs of other companies and Riot is a pretty big place. It's a possibility. That's all there is to it.
: A post about boycotting the game on the hot page just got deleted
Well, its Riot's boards so they can do what they want with it.
: Riot did a good job creating TFT
As i predicted sometime ago... Dota Underlords has seen it's playerbase slashed in half of the half... currently the concurrent players are at around 20k. Peak was 220k. The same thing is going to happen to TFT too and after a year we'll get a nice graph Treeline style from Riot saying why they're abandoning it. "The mode ended up not being as popular as we hoped it to be"
rujitra (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Mavëríck,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RiEmu4jA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-14T22:04:51.599+0000) > > <*Removed by Moderation*> [Ad Hominem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem): >Ad hominem (Latin for "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, typically refers to a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine **discussion of the topic at hand is avoided** by instead **attacking the character**, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, **rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.**
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RiEmu4jA,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-14T22:06:10.847+0000) > > [Ad Hominem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem): You're lvl 30 which means you haven't been playing after the level cap was raised. Your account almost looks as if it's a Riot employee account. Not to mention you have replied to every single thread about the Eternals.
: Sorry, just feel like if you design a good game people will spend money happy. You don't need to develop ways to tax players for your shortcomings. I feel shitty everytime I spend money now and I never used to.
> [{quoted}](name=Resolution,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pUWIOapP,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-13T19:34:05.547+0000) > > Sorry, just feel like if you design a good game people will spend money happy. You don't need to develop ways to tax players for your shortcomings. > > I feel shitty everytime I spend money now and I never used to. I used to spend around 20 euros on skins about every month or bi-monthly which is like paying for an MMO subscription, really and more. After Riot started all those scammy tactics i found myself feeling awful buying things and now ... if i ever buy anything at all it's when there's a skin i really want and it's discounted heavily like from "My Shop" list. So now i spend about... 10 euros every 4 months or so, if at all. So, Riot releasing and monetizing everything i believe actually makes people buy less. Riot thinks the skins market is saturated which is not true and keeps trying to find more ways to gain the same profit but alienates even more people with it. It's a vicious circle imho.
: "Eternals" a new dirty way to win money.
Next up they will charge anyone entering challenger a fee for playing the game too much and bringing load to the servers because server maintenance costs. "So you want to be challenger kid? Pay up some cash before you can get promoted."
FURRY V2 (EUNE)
: Making a super duper special skin for every champion would make them crazy. They not even can make a basic skin for a ton of heroes. {{champion:516}} {{champion:136}} The things they could do for less effort would be: • Character specific emotes (at least one emote with your champion, being badass) • Special loading screen borders (Icy for glacials, drak purple crap for void, etc) • Mastery emote change (something better than a burning match...) • Healthbar above champions design change (icy for glacials, dark purple crap for void etc) • Different effect for recall (icy for glacials, dark purple crap for void etc) • Special border for the announcement icons in-game ( icy for glacials, dark purple crap for void etc). You know, the circle with your hero's picture inside, you see it when you kill or destroy a turret etc... • Ability to write a "motto" which is visible during loading screen • Ability to use the champion's icon as profile picture (obtained skins too) • Ability to leave your "mark" on the ground (the special emote for your character). • When you kill dragon / nashor / earn penta / ACE, a voice lane of your character would be played globally. Skin specified. (Every hero has a voice line which could be used) {{champion:34}} _"I bring the storm."_ {{champion:121}} _"Blood in the air."_ {{champion:44}} _"These gems aren't just for show."_ etc
> [{quoted}](name=FURRY V2,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=uEXFAzEU,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-14T12:59:22.413+0000) > > Making a super duper special skin for every champion would make them crazy. They not even can make a basic skin for a ton of heroes. > {{champion:516}} {{champion:136}} > > The things they could do for less effort would be: > • Character specific emotes (at least one emote with your champion, being badass) > • Special loading screen borders (Icy for glacials, drak purple crap for void, etc) > • Mastery emote change (something better than a burning match...) > • Healthbar above champions design change (icy for glacials, dark purple crap for void etc) > • Different effect for recall (icy for glacials, dark purple crap for void etc) > • Special border for the announcement icons in-game ( icy for glacials, dark purple crap for void etc). You know, the circle with your hero's picture inside, you see it when you kill or destroy a turret etc... > • Ability to write a "motto" which is visible during loading screen > • Ability to use the champion's icon as profile picture (obtained skins too) > • Ability to leave your "mark" on the ground (the special emote for your character). > • When you kill dragon / nashor / earn penta / ACE, a voice lane of your character would be played globally. Skin specified. (Every hero has a voice line which could be used) > {{champion:34}} _"I bring the storm."_ > {{champion:121}} _"Blood in the air."_ > {{champion:44}} _"These gems aren't just for show."_ > etc All these are great ideas however not even the paid system has those. Instead it's a stat block.
: I don't need Eternals to show my dedication to a champion.
: How today's patch notes felt
Someone needs to make a full version rant video about this.
Twixie (NA)
: Am I the only one who thinks the new RP for Eternals is fine?
Yes, yes you probably are. I am going to mute all Eternal emotes and disable everything eternals related from my game because i don't want my game cluttered with rich kid visuals.
: The look of disgust on my face when I saw that
As a Zyra main the last seasons, i really hate the fact we have so few zyra skins while Ahri keeps getting five bazillion skins. Don't get me wrong. Ahri is cute and all but some champions need some love. Zyra is one of them and shes not the worst. I can think of other champions that barely ever get a skin anymore
Jesi Oni (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shuriman God,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6tBaOjbX,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2019-08-14T09:55:15.984+0000) > > Achievements like "Hit 100 Death Sentences" for Thresh are using the exact same code as achievements asking the player to hit 100 Shurikens on Zed. You don't hardcode that shit for every champion. Wooooow... Hit x with Q. Very very impressive! I am going to grab my wallet right away.
> [{quoted}](name=Jesi Oni,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6tBaOjbX,comment-id=000000030000,timestamp=2019-08-14T10:01:22.113+0000) > > Wooooow... Hit x with Q. Very very impressive! I am going to grab my wallet right away. That's impressive but can you hit Q with X?
: Eternals And The Advancements Of Corporate Greed
Your post is too long and a tad too politicized. Not two people will agree on politics even if they come from the same ideological background (personally i believe all this trash labeling socialist, communist, whateverist is going to become obselete real soon). Just leave out the politics and speak about your opinion man. Seriously.
: What in the heck is wrong with Plat IV
I don't like the new platinum border. I often confuse it with silver and i have to double check to see if i play with a silver or platinum player... lol
Rioter Comments
: Eternals: Is this a fucking joke?!?!?!?!
**Don't you guys have phones?**
Mythrandill (EUNE)
: I defend Riot in 99.9% of the cases. This time I'm on the 0.1%
I compared Eternals to Diablo 4 and moderators deleted my posts ... lol. That's how bad it is bois.
rujitra (NA)
: So... Riot should just spend time coding, testing, bugfixing, and ensuring these are stable... then give them to you for free?
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eW3kVOqJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-13T22:27:57.832+0000) > > So... Riot should just spend time coding, testing, bugfixing, and ensuring these are stable... then give them to you for free? In a nutshell yes. Just like they spent time coding, testing and bugfixing the game we now play for free.
Destaice (NA)
: Dunkmaster Ivern is like your mom trying to make a meme using Facebook and emojis
I don't know why Riot never released Star Guardian Urgot even if people literally have been asking for it and even cosplayers already cosplayed it but Ivern can get dunkmaster
Sherogarth (EUNE)
: EAternals
**Don't you guys have phones?**
: Coming up: Riot will permanently add URF. Acessable for only $19.95!
You forgot about the energy, most important aspect. If you run out of energy playing a ninja you have to purchase more before you can use more skills.
Rioter Comments
Böljy (EUNE)
: An idea for unlocking eternals
Because Rito wants your money. Remember when they said they have plans for mastery a few years ago? Well, now they changed their mind and sell it as "Mastery DLC". It feels as bad as first day DLC for games but if it sells, companies do it. Its that simple
Mewko (NA)
: Season 9 - Worst season I've encountered
Worst season was season 8 for me. Season 9 is still plagued by similar problems but it's at least (for me) playable. That being said i agree with a lot of your points, especially this new prestige stupidity. I remember getting gold kata for free back in the day. Today it would be named "Prestige Kata" and cost 30 dollars. What the hell Riot, really.
: When I saw the thing in client I thought it was some new race in the League lore and I got excited I've never been more let down in my life tbh
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WTUA5fly,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-08-13T18:17:56.391+0000) > > When I saw the thing in client I thought it was some new race in the League lore and I got excited > > I've never been more let down in my life tbh Funnily enough i thought it was a teaser for an upcoming champion belonging to the race of Eternals. {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
: "Eternals" a new dirty way to win money.
Eternals is Mastery DLC. That's all there is to it. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
Padoµch (EUNE)
: I would like to ask, if actually anyone in there plays league. Its not fun, at all. There are blatantly overpowered champions that nobody addresses... Pyke has a ranged AOE ult, that does true dmg, and gets a reset every time he kills someone + he has the hp threshhold shower so he knows exactly if he kills the target. He is safe all the time. -> bad champion design! My question is: Why dont you address this? Its season 2 all over again, but we had "just" LeBlanc and Kassadin to really worry about, until we got Talon, but srsly we have so many champs, that we cannot ban all those problematic ones in one game, and mostly the game is over in the picking stage of the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Padoµch,realm=EUNE,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=wYcVRQBO,comment-id=005e,timestamp=2019-08-13T07:06:09.936+0000) > > I would like to ask, if actually anyone in there plays league. Its not fun, at all. There are blatantly overpowered champions that nobody addresses... > Pyke has a ranged AOE ult, that does true dmg, and gets a reset every time he kills someone + he has the hp threshhold shower so he knows exactly if he kills the target. He is safe all the time. -> bad champion design! > > My question is: Why dont you address this? > > Its season 2 all over again, but we had "just" LeBlanc and Kassadin to really worry about, until we got Talon, but srsly we have so many champs, that we cannot ban all those problematic ones in one game, and mostly the game is over in the picking stage of the game. In the older days league was a healthier game excluding some things like deathfire grasp... because the champion pool was smaller and you could just ban Kassa, LeBlanc and be mostly happy and play a healthy game. Now the champion pool is huge with equally larger number of OP champs each patch and even if you ban 1 of them there's many more meta champs to pick from.
: What job does Karma do exactly? She's outclassed as a Enchanter and Mage early and late game. You keep talking about Karma offering something unique to the game, but I've been playing her since season 2 and notice that unless she is buffed into oblivion, she's not a champion. Morgana does more damage and CC, Nami does more damage and healing, Soraka heals and does more damage, Lulu provides more utility and better sustain, Janna provides better disengage and engage. You keep talking about Karma as if she offers something amazing to teamcomps and the game, but in reality she is outclassed by every "Mage" and "Support" you keep going on about.
> [{quoted}](name=Winterkill,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=wYcVRQBO,comment-id=000c00050000,timestamp=2019-08-11T19:01:05.088+0000) > > What job does Karma do exactly? She's outclassed as a Enchanter and Mage early and late game. You keep talking about Karma offering something unique to the game, but I've been playing her since season 2 and notice that unless she is buffed into oblivion, she's not a champion. Morgana does more damage and CC, Nami does more damage and healing, Soraka heals and does more damage, Lulu provides more utility and better sustain, Janna provides better disengage and engage. You keep talking about Karma as if she offers something amazing to teamcomps and the game, but in reality she is outclassed by every "Mage" and "Support" you keep going on about. What really annoys me with Karma is that Q can be blocked my minions therefore its so hard to land to actually poke anything in the lane that becomes extremely annoying.
Niχ (EUW)
: I think the meta is what it is right now, asking few things about the preseason since there have been tweets aswel: Are adcs getting more agency? Will support still be dictating the lane pretty hard? The ADC is kinda the player support must play around and not the opposite, so i'd rather see supports getting reduced damages and adcs some minor buffs to compensate. Is this mid/jng meta coming to an end? Mages have been outclassing ADCs (all that CDR in every item, 3k mana, Hp stacking which makes them so hella tanky early game when ADCs have no damage unless they get bork) so hard, and the 4/5 man gangbang bot lane is pretty obnoxious to deal with, specially when your team is not connecting their brains. Thanks for your possible answer, from a dedicated player :)
> [{quoted}](name=Niχ,realm=EUW,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=wYcVRQBO,comment-id=003d,timestamp=2019-08-09T19:45:53.329+0000) > > I think the meta is what it is right now, asking few things about the preseason since there have been tweets aswel: > > Are adcs getting more agency? > Will support still be dictating the lane pretty hard? The ADC is kinda the player support must play around and not the opposite, so i'd rather see supports getting reduced damages and adcs some minor buffs to compensate. > Is this mid/jng meta coming to an end? Mages have been outclassing ADCs (all that CDR in every item, 3k mana, Hp stacking which makes them so hella tanky early game when ADCs have no damage unless they get bork) so hard, and the 4/5 man gangbang bot lane is pretty obnoxious to deal with, specially when your team is not connecting their brains. > > Thanks for your possible answer, from a dedicated player :) Laning phase is and should be won by the support. ADCs are really one dimensional champions who mostly auto and need peel with few exceptions. ADCs are weak early and so supports have more agency in the lane. If you are also strong in the lane when should i get my chance to carry then?
: Quinn love when?...
> [{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=wYcVRQBO,comment-id=003e,timestamp=2019-08-09T20:38:18.335+0000) > > Quinn love when?... I think fundamentally Quinn needs a rework. Her ultimate is useless most of the time. Unless you're looking to splitpush fast and thats you want to do all games. Or pick people that are alone, if you are ahead and can actually kill them
VeXuM (NA)
: Have you guys thought about doing the rank system for SR the same way TfT is? Ex: not having a promo system, or not having a promo system unless climbing between tiers? Then you could make it easier to demote between divisions. Think some (but maybe not all) of the community would appreciate that based on a few reddit threads I saw last week
> [{quoted}](name=VeXuM,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=wYcVRQBO,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-08-09T16:47:51.781+0000) > > Have you guys thought about doing the rank system for SR the same way TfT is? Ex: not having a promo system, or not having a promo system unless climbing between tiers? Then you could make it easier to demote between divisions. Think some (but maybe not all) of the community would appreciate that based on a few reddit threads I saw last week Thats how it worked in Season 1 and also Season 2 i believe. People were way more toxic because they demoted ore often. I still remember the rage in the chat.
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: How can yuumi have 46% winrate and 42% banrate?
I am a main support enchanter player and i refuse to buy or play Yuumi. Delete her from the game already.
: Man I love riot games for making yuumi so disgusting
The funny part is that Riot advertised Yuumi as an enchanter support that would take skill to play. I can say with 100% certainty that she is the easiest champ to "play" in league of legends.
arowin242 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Xalasmeni Banana,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PAZQxGpm,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-07-24T22:14:48.256+0000) > > Astute observations, but i believe that one big problem is that everyone plays on 40% CDR now. Riven had to buy Ionian boots and other such items that didn't help her shield / damage ratios or armour in the older days to get CDR. > > Now you can get tabis and still get 40% with ease > > Now that everyone and their mom gives CDR you don't need to manage your skills anymore. You just 200IQ spam them all day long without sacrificing your itemization path i agree, for riven, i'd imaging that a standard rune page consist out of : conqueror, triumph, alacrity, coup de grace, transcendence and gathering storm, along with either adaptive force / CDR , adapative force, HP. this rune page can give you anywhere from 10-20% CDR. i remember back in season 5 ( playing on an older account) where CDR was this elusive stat that only tanks pretty much had reliable access to. for a mage you had to buy morellonomicon (gave AP, CDR and mana back then) but doing so sacrificed a huge portion of damage. bruiser build black cleaver, and ADC didn't have CDR at all. now riven back then already built black cleaver (which used to build out of the by now legendary brutalizer) which gave her 20% CDR, then she was pretty much forced to buy youmuu's ghostblade and lucidity boots to reach the 40% cap. this build left her with only BC as an item that gave her HP but left her with base armour and MR (keep in mind that back then armour and MR where more important as vayne was a contested pick due to cinderhulk meta) a riven nowadays? she rushes black cleaver into steraks or death's dance, and she will pick up 40% CDR somewhere along the way. since stacking HP is more efficient now due to steraks (and armour and MR being nerfed into the ground) she will get away with it. not only that, no longer having to rush lucidity boots allows riven to gain the utility of merc's or tabim which in turn makes her laning even stronger. all in all CDR itself has become a massive problem. and needs to be nerfed / put onto less damage favorable build paths. in my opinion building CDR should be the choice: do i want to burst hard? or use less damaging spells more often? TLDR: CDR has been powercreeped to hell and back and needs to be dealt with. That's all.
> [{quoted}](name=arowin242,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PAZQxGpm,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-07-24T22:38:12.458+0000) > > i agree, for riven, i'd imaging that a standard rune page consist out of : conqueror, triumph, alacrity, coup de grace, transcendence and gathering storm, along with either adaptive force / CDR , adapative force, HP. this rune page can give you anywhere from 10-20% CDR. > > i remember back in season 5 ( playing on an older account) where CDR was this elusive stat that only tanks pretty much had reliable access to. for a mage you had to buy morellonomicon (gave AP, CDR and mana back then) but doing so sacrificed a huge portion of damage. bruiser build black cleaver, and ADC didn't have CDR at all. > > now riven back then already built black cleaver (which used to build out of the by now legendary brutalizer) which gave her 20% CDR, then she was pretty much forced to buy youmuu's ghostblade and lucidity boots to reach the 40% cap. this build left her with only BC as an item that gave her HP but left her with base armour and MR (keep in mind that back then armour and MR where more important as vayne was a contested pick due to cinderhulk meta) > > a riven nowadays? she rushes black cleaver into steraks or death's dance, and she will pick up 40% CDR somewhere along the way. since stacking HP is more efficient now due to steraks (and armour and MR being nerfed into the ground) she will get away with it. > > not only that, no longer having to rush lucidity boots allows riven to gain the utility of merc's or tabim which in turn makes her laning even stronger. > > all in all CDR itself has become a massive problem. and needs to be nerfed / put onto less damage favorable build paths. in my opinion building CDR should be the choice: do i want to burst hard? or use less damaging spells more often? > > TLDR: CDR has been powercreeped to hell and back and needs to be dealt with. > > That's all. Yeah. I agree 100% with everything you said. You used to have to manage your skillshots and actually build for CDR. Now its a free stat. Sadly i believe that Riot saw the success of URF (i never played it so i have no idea what it is) and tried to make League more like URF and Rapid Fire. The result is the mess that these last seasons have been.
arowin242 (EUW)
: the term 'hard to play' or 'skill intensive' can both be incredibly subjective: riven has combo's that people can learn to improve their performance on the champion, just like she has timings that people can practise in order to get the most out of her. for the rest its all knowing your timings, match-ups and build paths. _Just like any other champion_ the problem with riven lies within the way her kit interacts in general: she can abuse certain runes to an incredible degree, and her trading pattern in lane looks more like that of renekton: uninteractive and quick / decisive. this is not even going into her numbers: riven, for what she is supposed to do (early lane bully, mid game champ or late game? i dont know) she is too good at it. her somewhat ambiguous nature when it comes her position in the game (top laner, but good at any stage unless severely behind) and flexible kit makes her problematic. for a champ released in season 1 riven has a HUGE number of tools at her disposal in order to make plays, escape, trade safely, all-in and just about anything. not only that, they only have 1 condition: are they off cooldown? since riven has no resource she is allowed to spam her abilities as much as she likes. as long as she build CDR she'll be fine. other champions who share this nature however are far less problematic, why? because their cooldowns are read far more easily and they function a lot more simply. take Garen and renekton for example. if they start moving up to you, you know what they are gonna do and HOW they are going to do it. The same goes for riven but her flexibility makes her far more unpredictable: she could 1st Q in to farm minions and instantly E out, or continue by using E to reposition her and then stun you with her W and proceed to use her remaining Q cast to decimate you. all in all this champion is a general design and balance mess. riot should make up their mind whether she is early/mid/late strong and adjust her power accordingly or keep her neutral/good at all stages but reduce her overall power. unfortunately riven has a massive fan-base of OTP's and other riven mains, so riot probably wont do too much about it until her numbers really start to get out of control (like 60% WR) That's all
> [{quoted}](name=arowin242,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PAZQxGpm,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-23T14:57:42.262+0000) > > the term 'hard to play' or 'skill intensive' can both be incredibly subjective: riven has combo's that people can learn to improve their performance on the champion, just like she has timings that people can practise in order to get the most out of her. > > for the rest its all knowing your timings, match-ups and build paths. _Just like any other champion_ the problem with riven lies within the way her kit interacts in general: she can abuse certain runes to an incredible degree, and her trading pattern in lane looks more like that of renekton: uninteractive and quick / decisive. > > this is not even going into her numbers: riven, for what she is supposed to do (early lane bully, mid game champ or late game? i dont know) she is too good at it. her somewhat ambiguous nature when it comes her position in the game (top laner, but good at any stage unless severely behind) and flexible kit makes her problematic. > > for a champ released in season 1 riven has a HUGE number of tools at her disposal in order to make plays, escape, trade safely, all-in and just about anything. not only that, they only have 1 condition: are they off cooldown? since riven has no resource she is allowed to spam her abilities as much as she likes. as long as she build CDR she'll be fine. > > other champions who share this nature however are far less problematic, why? because their cooldowns are read far more easily and they function a lot more simply. take Garen and renekton for example. if they start moving up to you, you know what they are gonna do and HOW they are going to do it. > > The same goes for riven but her flexibility makes her far more unpredictable: she could 1st Q in to farm minions and instantly E out, or continue by using E to reposition her and then stun you with her W and proceed to use her remaining Q cast to decimate you. > > all in all this champion is a general design and balance mess. riot should make up their mind whether she is early/mid/late strong and adjust her power accordingly or keep her neutral/good at all stages but reduce her overall power. > > unfortunately riven has a massive fan-base of OTP's and other riven mains, so riot probably wont do too much about it until her numbers really start to get out of control (like 60% WR) > > That's all Astute observations, but i believe that one big problem is that everyone plays on 40% CDR now. Riven had to buy Ionian boots and other such items that didn't help her shield / damage ratios or armour in the older days to get CDR. Now you can get tabis and still get 40% with ease Now that everyone and their mom gives CDR you don't need to manage your skills anymore. You just 200IQ spam them all day long without sacrificing your itemization path
: It sure doesn't feel like Riot wants you to climb in ranked
When i got on losing streaks its usually 20 games in a row. No matter what i do or play i always end up losing to the point i end up taking months break to forget all about it
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