musixxal (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=duje,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jTVcgEm1,comment-id=0005000000000001,timestamp=2019-08-28T17:51:23.400+0000) > > Cause there are many burst/combo mages and assasin that fill that job way better and my main point in this is that i dont want to see one of the most unique and fun champs in the game creating in just another burst mage. Better burst/combo mages lux,brand,xerath,velkoz,zoe and any assasin basicly and many more. no there aren't, they cannot ignore terrain the way he does along with his range and aoe potential. so stop it.
> [{quoted}](name=musixxal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jTVcgEm1,comment-id=00050000000000010000,timestamp=2019-08-28T18:15:05.279+0000) > > no there aren't, they cannot ignore terrain the way he does along with his range and aoe potential. > so stop it. How many times in this post did i have to point out how dumb you actualy are do you know who talon is?
: You keep saying "bad burst mage" "bad burst mage" but why is it bad? Is it cuz his Q is still a skillshot? Is it cuz his W is too hard to hit? Is it cuz he just has no damage? Cuz if it's the last one, that can be changed. Numbers can be changed. So wtf do you mean by "bad burst mage". What is a "good burst mage"? You keep talking like Q is impossible to hit cuz everyone is mobile, but current Sol's hit it all the time (on multiple targets at close distance too). It's hard not to hit tbh and now it's *even faster*. I really can't follow this logic.
> [{quoted}](name=Z3Sleepier,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jTVcgEm1,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-08-28T14:09:05.471+0000) > > You keep saying "bad burst mage" "bad burst mage" but why is it bad? > > Is it cuz his Q is still a skillshot? > Is it cuz his W is too hard to hit? > Is it cuz he just has no damage? > > Cuz if it's the last one, that can be changed. Numbers can be changed. So wtf do you mean by "bad burst mage". What is a "good burst mage"? > > You keep talking like Q is impossible to hit cuz everyone is mobile, but current Sol's hit it all the time (on multiple targets at close distance too). It's hard not to hit tbh and now it's *even faster*. I really can't follow this logic. Cause there are many burst/combo mages and assasin that fill that job way better and my main point in this is that i dont want to see one of the most unique and fun champs in the game creating in just another burst mage. Better burst/combo mages lux,brand,xerath,velkoz,zoe and any assasin basicly and many more.
Bultz (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=duje,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jTVcgEm1,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-08-28T10:47:19.256+0000) > > They made him into a bad cluknky burst mage. There is no more point in building him unique and tanky since now you should just go 40 cdr full penetration ap. So they took away him unique build path away. Now you cant silence/Cc his W but basicly he CC's himself every 3 seconds with his W and he is super easy to trade with now and super easy to kite. SInce you have to try to engage with your Q in the trade and todays champs are so mobile every champ has a instant movement spell and if you dodge his Q he cant open up with W and you just have to kite his W for 3 secs and your free to go on him. Removing the speed on his E i did not like since it was very unique to him. I mean you put everything you could into qyiana(put taliyah passive into her W and made it way better lol) and you killed sol. His lane matchups got worse. He is even more clunky to play,you made him into a bad burst mage without any unique aspect to him. I hate the mini rework every part of it. Only thing that got better is its easier to evade ganks with W move speed. But you destroyed one of the most unique and rewarding champions to master to a bad and clunky burst/combo mage. You even took away his roam power. Utter trash rework of an already underplayed and over nerfed champion.Great damn job riot. Idk why you're saying all of this like it's a bad thing? I haven't seen a single player use the most amazingly designed champion in years because he is a niche pick for high tier players. They needed to rework ASOL a long time ago. I love the champion, but dying in 2 seconds when someone picks a counter, which like 90% of champions do, isn't fun. Maybe this iteration of a rework isn't good, but he needs to change
> [{quoted}](name=Bultz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jTVcgEm1,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-08-28T13:10:19.873+0000) > > Idk why you're saying all of this like it's a bad thing? I haven't seen a single player use the most amazingly designed champion in years because he is a niche pick for high tier players. They needed to rework ASOL a long time ago. I love the champion, but dying in 2 seconds when someone picks a counter, which like 90% of champions do, isn't fun. Maybe this iteration of a rework isn't good, but he needs to change Im saying this rework is a bad try and it turned him to a bad burst mage which there are too many and he is not unique anymore in any kinda of way. Yes he is very nieche and 90% champs counter him and 40 % of those 90% hard counter him. Yes he needs fixes if they want to make im more viable to more players his pick rate is like 1% i think. But this is not the way to do it.
musixxal (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=duje,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jTVcgEm1,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-08-28T12:56:35.318+0000) > > You actualy are this dumb....... Can you read what i said. They have completly changed his playstyle and his role and made in totaly not unique like it use to be "no, you stay on the periphery of a fight and press Q and W, and then eventually you press R." EXACTLY YOUR A DAMN BURST MAGE NOW WHICH IS THE ISSUES THAT IM TALKING ABOUT AND A BAD BURST MAGE TO GO WITH THAT THERE ARE 15 OTHER CHAMPS THAT FILL THAT ROLE WAY BETTER GOD YOUR SO DENSE. his playstyle is a more streamlined and modern version of his old self. he's also not a burst mage lol, but whatever i'll just wait for the film to come out before the boards wakes up to it. OH THATS RIGHT, there already is film on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hWmWIZYe2I same asol, just streamlined, less clunky, with better tools for his own sake. but whatever none of ya'll actually want that, i suppose the asol players are upset they can't afk W the wave at lvl 1 and 2 anymore.
CHAM> [{quoted}](name=musixxal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jTVcgEm1,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-28T13:00:01.548+0000) > > his playstyle is a more streamlined and modern version of his old self. > he's also not a burst mage lol, but whatever i'll just wait for the film to come out before the boards wakes up to it. > OH THATS RIGHT, there already is film on it. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hWmWIZYe2I > same asol, just streamlined, less clunky, with better tools for his own sake. > but whatever none of ya'll actually want that, i suppose the asol players are upset they can't afk W the wave at lvl 1 and 2 anymore. No shit there is film on it. Its pbe gameplay of higher elo players playing vs bad players with the best edist and best games on him for clickbait titles likE OPOP NEW ASOL EVERYTHING CHANGED 1V9 CHAMP. You are really unbelivable.
musixxal (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=duje,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jTVcgEm1,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-28T12:37:40.659+0000) > > Yes exactly to my point like i said. They made him a bad burst mage QWR ignite and run away with W move speed. I really dont understand what your talking about. no, you stay on the periphery of a fight and press Q and W, and then eventually you press R. you kite back and forth with his bonus movespeed. evacuate with E, cause he can do that now. why am i even fucking bothering with another mechanical rundown on how a champion works, the boards seems to have a better idea, akin to their ideas on yuumi, qiyana and panth.
> [{quoted}](name=musixxal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jTVcgEm1,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-08-28T12:41:48.851+0000) > > no, you stay on the periphery of a fight and press Q and W, and then eventually you press R. > you kite back and forth with his bonus movespeed. > evacuate with E, cause he can do that now. > why am i even fucking bothering with another mechanical rundown on how a champion works, the boards seems to have a better idea, akin to their ideas on yuumi, qiyana and panth. You actualy are this dumb....... Can you read what i said. They have completly changed his playstyle and his role and made in totaly not unique like it use to be "no, you stay on the periphery of a fight and press Q and W, and then eventually you press R." EXACTLY YOUR A DAMN BURST MAGE NOW WHICH IS THE ISSUES THAT IM TALKING ABOUT AND A BAD BURST MAGE TO GO WITH THAT THERE ARE 15 OTHER CHAMPS THAT FILL THAT ROLE WAY BETTER GOD YOUR SO DENSE.
duje (EUNE)
: Aurelion sol rework is so bad
Yes exactly to my point like i said. They made him a bad burst mage QWR ignite and run away with W move speed. I really dont understand what your talking about.
musixxal (EUW)
: {{champion:136}} cc's himself with his new W? ok, you can trash this thread, dunno how this post has upvotes.
> [{quoted}](name=musixxal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jTVcgEm1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-28T12:21:40.893+0000) > > {{champion:136}} cc's himself with his new W? > ok, you can trash this thread, dunno how this post has upvotes. Can you read between the lines lol. No he doesnt literally CC himself...... His W goes back in after the short duration and goes on cd and in that time he is usless till his spell comes back up. No shit he doenst cc himself are you that dense?
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: But he is still good, http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics, So i dont see your point are you saying that if they dominated on the best players they cant be overpowered?
> [{quoted}](name=Shablagoo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=72M0j1IB,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-11-16T23:04:23.390+0000) > > But he is still good, http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics, So i dont see your point are you saying that if they dominated on the best players they cant be overpowered? https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/aurelionsol/diamond
duje (EUNE)
: Aurelion sol nerfs
But they wont nurf irelia to the ground or kaisaa nooooo, irelia diamond + stats are 57% ban rate 24%popularity 50% win rate, easy as shit to play and abuse in every elo. One trick or irelia main stats (2 cups eune chall player 82%wr) (wd4y kr chall 75%wr 300 plus games). And you give me shit for complaining about a champ whos popularity in diamond+ is 1.1% 0.5%ban rate 47% win rate mained by 0.2%. One trick/main stats (piggity kitten na chall 68 wr 130 games) (B god eune diamond 71wr 160 games) (some korean name kr chall 74wr 50 games) (STATS FROM LOLGRAPSH) So don't give me the shit oh its balanced arouns high elo play aurelion is busted he plays like bla bla. Sure nurf him. Not put him in the grave. Nurf ire and kaisa and alike.
: >Why punish the champ that gets 1v1 by anyone with any kind of instant mobility which you cant do nothing against Because his strength isn't in his 1v1, it is in his ability to roam to any lane quickly with massive CC and damage. That is why he got a nerf, because in higher elo he was dominating. Sol is a hard champion to play, but when you master him you become insanely powerful. It is unfortunate that he becomes even worse in lower elos because you hardly see him anymore, but its for the greater cause.
Not 3 hard nurfs deserving, some nurfs, yes.
: > [{quoted}](name=duje,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=72M0j1IB,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-11-15T19:08:31.137+0000) > > So last patch aurelion got hit with huge base health reduction and they changed a key rune on him, time warp tonic now the MS you get last super short the potion gives less mana and hp back and aurelion has sustain issues early which got much worse now. And on pbe celerity is getting changed which is another r key rune on him. Why punish the champ that gets 1v1 by anyone with any kind of instant mobility which you cant do nothing against. I think the nerfs to him are way to much. What nerf was there to the MS of time warp tonic?
> [{quoted}](name=Black Son Goku,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=72M0j1IB,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-11-16T17:55:55.132+0000) > > What nerf was there to the MS of time warp tonic? Soo the potion doesnt last longer like it use to, it last half the duration so you only get ms more than half less of what you use to get and doesnt go on elixir.
: >Balance the game with the other 99% of your player base in mind, go off of the high elo problems but keep in mind that what like 45% of your playerbase is silver 30% gold and 10% bronze This is a pretty intrinsically flawed statement when talking about Aurelion. Take in mind A.sol is played in only 0.97% of games. Taking in mind only 10% of that 0.97% are going to have mastered him, yet his average Winrate was sitting around 54%. As a result you had mains nabbing STUPID high win-rates on him. It's not even about the top 0.1%, it's about the people who understand the champion absolutely dominating with him.
> [{quoted}](name=Sexy Jack Rabbit,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=72M0j1IB,comment-id=0001000000020000000000000001,timestamp=2018-11-16T10:19:16.614+0000) > > This is a pretty intrinsically flawed statement when talking about Aurelion. > Take in mind A.sol is played in only 0.97% of games. > Taking in mind only 10% of that 0.97% are going to have mastered him, yet his average Winrate was sitting around 54%. > As a result you had mains nabbing STUPID high win-rates on him. > > It's not even about the top 0.1%, it's about the people who understand the champion absolutely dominating with him. We were not talking about asol there. And again nurfs are okay,3 hard nurfs not okay.
: Any champion that can shove the lane very easily and roam as easily is bound to be problematic mid in soloQ (and in competitive too depending of the kit). Priority is too strong at high elo.
Not 3 hard nurfs deserving, balancing is okay puttin a champ in the ground meh.
Ahris (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=duje,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=72M0j1IB,comment-id=0001000000020000,timestamp=2018-11-15T23:40:14.942+0000) > > Not what i said ugh So balance the game for the majority right?
> [{quoted}](name=Ahris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=72M0j1IB,comment-id=00010000000200000000,timestamp=2018-11-15T23:57:16.656+0000) > > So balance the game for the majority right? Balance the game with the other 99% of your player base in mind, go off of the high elo problems but keep in mind that what like 45% of your playerbase is silver 30% gold and 10 bronze. Lets take ryze as an example in high elo and pro play he is very good and in anything below master he is like 45% win rate for ages already you dont buff and nerf him you need o rework him. Just because something is good in high elo it doesnt mean its good for the game, ryze has a horrible design. If you balance a game towards only the top 0.1% the game is gonna be shit for the rest of your player base and you will soon run out of business.
Sandixcx (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=duje,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=72M0j1IB,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-11-15T19:22:55.687+0000) > > I mean asol hass soooooooooo many terrible matchups its sad, and one tricks dominating with him means good desing a very hard chamipon to learn and execute right but when you put the time and effort in it pays off. His winrate is only good cause of onetricks and low pick stats. Aurelion sol's "bad" matchups are only bad for people who don't know how to play him. Someone who has a decent amount of games won't be in the lane half the time. >Why punish the champ that gets 1v1 by anyone with any kind of instant mobility which you cant do nothing against He doesn't win by 1v1ing, he wins by getting his other lanes ahead by roaming so I think it's fair that he isn't good in a straight up fight. If you make him playable for the majority of players, he'll just be OP.
Yes you try to dodge the lane but as soon as you get to your lane to clear it if irelia gets on you your dead instantly. Point is there is a lot of counter play options vs him and the triple hard nurf to him is wayyyyyy too much. Should he be nurfed, yes. This hard, no. Never said make him playable for evreyone i think his learning curve and potential hight is designed amazingly. I strongly think that people who one trick him or main him should be at atleast 55% winrate(dia and above)
Ahris (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=duje,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=72M0j1IB,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-11-15T19:24:59.872+0000) > > You can't balance the game for only the 0.01% of the player base. So balance the game for trash players who has no clue how to even play the game?
> [{quoted}](name=Ahris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=72M0j1IB,comment-id=000100000002,timestamp=2018-11-15T23:35:08.594+0000) > > So balance the game for trash players who has no clue how to even play the game? Not what i said ugh
: I personally think TF does need to be addressed. But that's another story. ASol mains are dominant in high elo and that's no exaggeration. The champ is insanely strong at creating absolute terror on the map whenever he's not visible. I'd say more so than a Shaco jungle. We should most definitely be balancing for high level play but still addressing champions who are too strong in lower elos. We should also not be addressing champions who are too weak in lower elos (ryze, azir, etc.). However, I do think the triple dipping here on direct and indirect nerfs is too much. I think the nerf should just be reverted at this point cuz the tonic nerf was already worth more than the health nerf (refill/cp +25% was 31.25 more health per charge). Adding a celerity nerf on top of it is overkill for the champion.
> [{quoted}](name=Z3Sleeper,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=72M0j1IB,comment-id=00010000000000000001,timestamp=2018-11-15T22:40:32.548+0000) > > I personally think TF does need to be addressed. But that's another story. > > ASol mains are dominant in high elo and that's no exaggeration. The champ is insanely strong at creating absolute terror on the map whenever he's not visible. I'd say more so than a Shaco jungle. > > We should most definitely be balancing for high level play but still addressing champions who are too strong in lower elos. We should also not be addressing champions who are too weak in lower elos (ryze, azir, etc.). > > However, I do think the triple dipping here on direct and indirect nerfs is too much. I think the nerf should just be reverted at this point cuz the tonic nerf was already worth more than the health nerf (refill/cp +25% was 31.25 more health per charge). Adding a celerity nerf on top of it is overkill for the champion. Totally agree with everything in this statement i agree asol deserved some kind of nurf, but this im quite sure will destroy him completely and put him in the unplayable category.i think they should revert his old hp back to where it was and add 5 base ms cause of celerity (or not rework the rune cause the rework is bad). Time warp tonic is such a huge nurf on him i dont think anymore is needed you lose a lot of sustain in lane which you need and more importantly the 5% ms.
Doge2020 (NA)
: Probably because he isn’t strong enough in challenger to get nerfed there. If a lot of people dominate with TF in challenger then I think yeah he should get nerfed. But if like >2% of the challenger players play him and only a few do very well then I think it looks obvious that a nerf is unhealthy and unnecessary.
Most asol players in high elo are one tricks or spent a lot of time on asol and that should be rewarded and nor get nurfed. If a champion is very good if you spend a lot of time on him that is just good design , yes maybe he should get nurfed a bit sure, but not this hard and stack even more nurfs on top of it.
iiGazeii (NA)
: Just imagine it. Guinsoo's + Nashor's Tooth becomes the standard build. His W becomes a whirling disc of death that shreds everything around him.
Would be way to hard tocplay him as that, imagine orb walking with that much AS and balancing your W and Q range.
: Top-down balance design. The game is played fundamentally differently in different elos. Balancing around the top is way healthier than balancing around the bottom.
Agree with that and it's true, but stupid in some cases like ryze(poor desing) and aso(never played in pro) l. Why is TF never touched apdo has like 60% wr on him in the top of the top ranks.
iiGazeii (NA)
: Or just have it scale with both. Make him a hybrid champ like Kai'Sa or Ezreal.
I would quit the game if they did that ahahah
: Sol was dominated in high elo so they decided to nerf him , people complained about sol a lot in there No jokes , Ryze was at 45% winrate earlier this season but challengers still wanted him to be gutted because his one tricks dominated
You can't balance the game for only the 0.01% of the player base.
duje (EUNE)
: Aurelion sol nerfs
I mean asol hass soooooooooo many terrible matchups its sad, and one tricks dominating with him means good desing a very hard chamipon to learn and execute right but when you put the time and effort in it pays off. His winrate is only good cause of onetricks and low pick stats. Never picked in pro play basicly just ughh why take 50 base hp from a guy that loses so hard vs champs like ire, yas, talon, ekko, diana......
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