: Spear of Shojin
Riven will be nerfed next patch so problem is solved I guess.
: Lol as I stated above, I've played 62 ranked games this year and 42% of them have been in toplane (26 games), I literally have not said even once that I play every champion, and yes I did state that I don't play Riven. You're actually a fucking troll. Go wank it to Adrian Riven/Revenge more. Peace out bud :)
> Lol as I stated above, I've played 62 ranked games this year and 42% of them have been in toplane (26 games), I did read that. For some reason I think someone can say he is a top/mid/bot laner if he plays the certain role at least 50%+ and knows most the champions of the role. >I literally have not said even once that I play every champion, and yes I did state that I don't play Riven. My bad on this one. I missed the quote marks in your comment. >..Removed by Moderation.. :D Have a nice day too.
Here we go again. Riven deserves or not a nerf wasn't the subject. She is op now, she deserves it. Our argument was all about this nerf is a joke like you suggest or a real hit. The issue is not the nerf on his tankiness but the way they are applying it. They could nerf her AD ratio and/or scaling on her shield to make her less tanky while doesn't fuck up her early game against all ranged champions. They could nerf her overall damage in many ways to not be such a monster. They could finally fix Conqueror which is a problem not just because of Riven. They didn't do any of those. They rather made her laning against ranged champions and champions with poke on a low cd for a fucking nightmare while she is still a monster against other champions. So either she is op asf or garbage. How the hell is this a balancing change???
: Riven "Nerfs" lol. Still a permaban for me chief cuz this ain't it.
At least I know why you are so eager to see my rank. The first thing you do when someone disagrees: look at his rank then mock him "You are playing aram, you are lower ranked than me..." so essentally changing subject to cover your lack of arguments. Meanwhile you are lying that you are a toplaner when you are not, saying that you are playing every champion when you are already admitted you never play Riven....
Who said she is not op now or doesn't need a nerf? You said this nerf is a joke, I gave you reasons why it is not. You couldn't deny anything what I said about Riven. You are just trying to change the subject because you have no valid argument. Oh wait! Your only argument was "melee champion is balanced because they get beat in lane by ranged bullies is the weakest argument". So if something is a fact and you cannot deny it than you just bring up the "it doesn't count" card. Things don't work this way bud. Answer me how can Riven stay in lane without her shield against champions with ranged aa and poke or gtfo with your lame excuses and subjest changing.
: WAIT?! Buffs to CD on Riven And Vayne mobility?!
>I missed some CDR nerfs to Riven's Shield and Vayne's Tumble at early levels but I don't see this affecting them at all. You managed to post a whining thread before you even saw what are the actual nerfs. Congrat.
Rioter Comments
: Great, no one gives af about your one sided anecdotal evidence when STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT winrates AND banrates AND play rates PROVE riven to be broken. Stop even trying to defend that stupid arrogant styled champ. It's pathetic
> [{quoted}](name=kingDeDeDarius,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=no8wZqh0,comment-id=0009000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-25T15:29:33.226+0000) > > Great, no one gives af about your one sided anecdotal evidence when STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT winrates AND banrates AND play rates PROVE riven to be broken. Stop even trying to defend that stupid arrogant styled champ. It's pathetic I wondered how can someone be so butthurt for no reason. Then I understood. "Right between the eyes" Mr. Darius main? {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
: Ok but most melee tops lose to range champs. Riven loses less cuz of her e spam.she can easily beat teemo and vayne top. Alot of the matchups depend on rivens skill. A good riven beats darius jax panth morde garen really easily.
Adrian is considered one of the best Riven mains yet he loses these matchups a lot. He and TF Blade - who usually plays Jax and Irelia into Riven - always play a 50-50 game (lately I saw TF to win more). Last time I watched Boxbox stream he played vs Darius and got stomped. Next game he stomped Darius. These are just random examples ofc, however, no high elo Riven main would call these matchups "really easy", especially Teemo and Vayne. >A good riven beats darius jax panth morde garen really easily. I'd rather say: A good Riven has a good chance to beat Jax, Darius.... It always depends on the players. If a good Riven facing a bad Jax ofc it will be a stomp. However, it is not because Riven vs Jax, it is because good player vs bad player. With equally skilled players these matchups are not one-sided at all. Riven is op now because of her synergy with Conq, DD an SoS, not because she got some superbuff a few patches ago. People just did not care to learn the matchup vs Riven when she was an underdog. She had the same abilities, same mechanics so everyone had the chance to learn her range, her cooldowns, etc. However, Darius mains for example did not care about that at all, they just enjoyed the fact they could brainlessly run it down and win. Now they cannot run it down so they started to cry for Riven nerfs. I have not met a complainer yet (no joke) who lost to Riven because "she is so op". Last time a Master tier Garen main started a thread here "nerf riven she so op blablabla"... he happened to play vs Adrian and lost the game. I watched the replay on Adrian's stream. Mr. Master Garen forgot to mention that he played like a boosted monkey, made more mistakes than I could count, yet was not solo killed a single time. It is always easier to blame the enemy champion than learn from our mistakes. My absolute favorit though when people rant about how super easy to play Riven, meanwhile A, they literally never played Riven B, played Riven and got humiliated badly. I have not seen a single one of them who actually played Riven in his elo and won his matchup like he should have with an op champion. I barely see anyone who actually played her then said she is easy. I do not know what is worse though. I mean how reliable a complainer statement is "Riven is braindead easy" when his 8 games with Riven were 4/16; 1/10, 0/6, etc. I support the freedom of speech but these people are just clueless clowns.
Yets4240 (NA)
: Also, LMFAO at Urgot "OP for years." His rework was in the end of season 7, start of season 8. He's only existed for a year, and it wasn't until two two patches ago, 9.6 that he was changed into his current state, and then subsequently nerfed the following patch quite hard, as he lost around 50% of his playrate, 6% of his winrate, and has since fallen to a sub 49% winrate. Worth noting that before he became big in pro play due to every other top laner getting nerfed to oblivion, and him being picked to counter snowball heavy lanes by simply not dying to their early cheese, he was also at a 48% winrate, and was considered a hard to use, barely played (1-1.5% pickrate) and mediocre champion. Even when he saw competitive use, he still had pretty normal stats for a top laner, and wasn't even the best until patch 9.6 for all of ***one single patch,*** before getting nerfed ***again*** after he was previously gutted so that they could launch that mini-rework. Riven has been the #1 champion in top lane, or the #2 champion since at least patch 8.24, from what I can see, or just slightly longer than the entire season so far, with no nerfs or changes announced nor in sight.
> [{quoted}](name=Yets4240,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=no8wZqh0,comment-id=000900000001,timestamp=2019-04-25T00:29:41.024+0000) > > Also, LMFAO at Urgot "OP for years." > > His rework was in the end of season 7, start of season 8. He's only existed for a year, and it wasn't until two two patches ago, 9.6 that he was changed into his current state, and then subsequently nerfed the following patch quite hard, as he lost around 50% of his playrate, 6% of his winrate, and has since fallen to a sub 49% winrate. > > Worth noting that before he became big in pro play due to every other top laner getting nerfed to oblivion, and him being picked to counter snowball heavy lanes by simply not dying to their early cheese, he was also at a 48% winrate, and was considered a hard to use, barely played (1-1.5% pickrate) and mediocre champion. Even when he saw competitive use, he still had pretty normal stats for a top laner, and wasn't even the best until patch 9.6 for all of ***one single patch,*** before getting nerfed ***again*** after he was previously gutted so that they could launch that mini-rework. Riven has been the #1 champion in top lane, or the #2 champion since at least patch 8.24, from what I can see, or just slightly longer than the entire season so far, with no nerfs or changes announced nor in sight. I guess you just slept through season 8 when Urgot was a pick or ban champion in every game in every elo (pro games too)...
: I dont play her, so no shit im going to do bad on her. And Urgot has counters that solo can use. Riven on the other hand really doesnt have any as it stands (only ones that a general cheese counters to any melee, which is hardly an argument)
> [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=no8wZqh0,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2019-04-24T23:28:10.454+0000) > > I dont play her, so no shit im going to do bad on her. > And Urgot has counters that solo can use. Riven on the other hand really doesnt have any as it stands (only ones that a general cheese counters to any melee, which is hardly an argument) Okay, so let's ignore {{champion:126}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:518}} {{champion:127}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:133}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:43}} for now. {{champion:78}} and {{champion:58}} cannot lose lane vs Riven unless the player is superbad or ganked a lot. So "doesnt have any counter" does not stand at all. Not to mention any of these {{champion:114}} {{champion:120}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:122}} can go toe to toe with her and its not even the whole list. Many other champions have a good chance if played properly e.g. {{champion:86}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:27}} {{champion:80}} and so forth.
: Gutted, no questions asked. They had their time in the limelight avoiding nerfs. Now its their turn to feel like trash. This whole skill argument is the whole reason why Riven hasn't been nerfed. Gotta keep the mains happy somehow.
> Gutted, no questions asked. They had their time in the limelight avoiding nerfs. Now its their turn to feel like trash. This whole skill argument is the whole reason why Riven hasn't been nerfed. Gotta keep the mains happy somehow. It seems Riven is already trash in your hands. I mean, you managed to 0/4 with a theoretically superOP Riven... I wonder what result would it be with a gutted Riven. 0/40? I guess Urgot being OP for years does not bother you for some "strange" reason. LOL
: > [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tPOwEUh0,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-04-23T09:58:46.172+0000) > > She isn't, you should try her and see for yourself. She really is pretty easy. You take 15 min in practice tool. Bam. Learn half her animation cancels. Then she's easy
> She really is pretty easy. You take 15 min in practice tool. Bam. Learn half her animation cancels. Then she's easy If you have played Riven ever, your comment wouldn't have been an irrelevant joke. Since you played her only once and lost even that one, you are nothing but a butthurt clown.

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