: Barrier to entry into ranked to prevent griefing
Lol mate, just because you are tryharding doesn't mean others can't have fun. You can very well climb while having fun, you just need to be good. Don't blame others for your mistakes.
Kuponya (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=katsumi1,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ETaj6LKK,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-07-11T19:28:52.180+0000) > > What if I own all the champs? And also the weekly rotation? Then hypothetically, I'd say congratulations. But logically, you wouldn't bring up the weekly rotation if you did and even so, I doubt you'd want to potentially play the full 144 roster
> [{quoted}](name=Kuponya,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ETaj6LKK,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-07-11T20:11:32.555+0000) > > Then hypothetically, I'd say congratulations. But logically, you wouldn't bring up the weekly rotation if you did and even so, I doubt you'd want to potentially play the full 144 roster More accounts. And yes, I do. There may be like 5 champs I wouldn't want to play at most, but the chance of getting them is just too low. And even so, it's not like i can't play them at all.
Kuponya (NA)
: You say "to be fair" but you haven't played an actual version of aram. You've played a fun version where they only use your champions available rather than the full roster. You don't want Ranked ARAM, you want ranked aram - kiddy edition. Don't lie to yourselves and claim you want something without wanting the real thing.
> [{quoted}](name=Kuponya,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ETaj6LKK,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-07-11T19:23:09.492+0000) > > You say "to be fair" but you haven't played an actual version of aram. You've played a fun version where they only use your champions available rather than the full roster. You don't want Ranked ARAM, you want ranked aram - kiddy edition. > Don't lie to yourselves and claim you want something without wanting the real thing. What if I own all the champs? And also the weekly rotation?
rujitra (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=katsumi1,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ETaj6LKK,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T21:30:23.515+0000) > > I still very much don't believe that TFT is less luck orientated than ARAM. Someone can randomly get star 3 champ, while you don't get it at all. And being skilled and able to play any champions seems like a big skills determining factor for me. No, they can’t “randomly” get it while you don’t get it at all. There are a limited number of champions in the game - 39 of each “tier 1” (the grey) champions. If 4 other players have 3 star of that champion, it is not “random” whether you get a 3 star, it is literally impossible. If one player has a 3 star, one has two 2 stars, and five players have a two star and one one star, it’s impossible as well (and in fact, none of the players with two stars will be able to upgrade except maybe the one with two 2 stars later in the game). Knowing the size of the champion pool reduces the randomness to virtually zero - if you are looking for something specific, you will know exactly your chance to get it with a reroll with some math - or *about* your chance just by thinking logically. The more of the champion that is on the map for any player, the less likely it is you roll it. If you “eco” all the way up to 50 gold, you should be earning 10-15 gold per round - enough for 5 reroll at least per round. With 5 reroll per round, you are getting 25 drops per round - *at least*. This does not include 1 gold bonus for winning combat against another player or carousel picking. Simply put, if you actually play around the restrictions (each champ available limited number of times, tier drop rates at various levels, etc) it is “random” but the chance the randomness actually affects you is next to none.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ETaj6LKK,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T21:40:03.538+0000) > > No, they can’t “randomly” get it while you don’t get it at all. There are a limited number of champions in the game - 39 of each “tier 1” (the grey) champions. If 4 other players have 3 star of that champion, it is not “random” whether you get a 3 star, it is literally impossible. If one player has a 3 star, one has two 2 stars, and five players have a two star and one one star, it’s impossible as well (and in fact, none of the players with two stars will be able to upgrade except maybe the one with two 2 stars later in the game). > > Knowing the size of the champion pool reduces the randomness to virtually zero - if you are looking for something specific, you will know exactly your chance to get it with a reroll with some math - or *about* your chance just by thinking logically. The more of the champion that is on the map for any player, the less likely it is you roll it. If you “eco” all the way up to 50 gold, you should be earning 10-15 gold per round - enough for 5 reroll at least per round. With 5 reroll per round, you are getting 25 drops per round - *at least*. This does not include 1 gold bonus for winning combat against another player or carousel picking. > > Simply put, if you actually play around the restrictions (each champ available limited number of times, tier drop rates at various levels, etc) it is “random” but the chance the randomness actually affects you is next to none. Yes, mate I know how it works.. but let me give you this example. I was playing with my friend and we both had warwick and vayne from beginning. He got them to level 3 while I didn't. So, given by your logic, he shouldnt have been able to get them to level 3 if i had them as well, but he did. So how is that not random or lucky? In some games i got 3 ashes in the shop, while my friends were struggling to get one. Or if someone rerolled dozens of times, in order to get Leona, but i just got her in shop. Literally, how is it not random?
rujitra (NA)
: TFT is not luck oriented any more than champion select is. There is a limited number of each champion in the “pool” for everyone in the game, and you can see what everyone else is building and what their placement is of their champions. Even if you lose every single fight, your economy in TFT is enough to reroll enough to overcome all but the absolute worst and extremely unlikely luck.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ETaj6LKK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-10T21:28:29.972+0000) > > TFT is not luck oriented any more than champion select is. There is a limited number of each champion in the “pool” for everyone in the game, and you can see what everyone else is building and what their placement is of their champions. > > Even if you lose every single fight, your economy in TFT is enough to reroll enough to overcome all but the absolute worst and extremely unlikely luck. I still very much don't believe that TFT is less luck orientated than ARAM. Someone can randomly get star 3 champ, while you don't get it at all. And being skilled and able to play any champions seems like a big skills determining factor for me.
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