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: Hi again! > Let's call it chillier than SR. If you put it like that, I can agree on it. Yes, it is somewhat more relaxed, in my opinion it's already achieved due to the fact that less players are around. I might have to excuse myself if my wording was bad before, I didn't mean to sound like I believe you couldn't climb anymore. As far as I understand, your issue is that you have to put effort into some sort of tactic you're not willing to play or play against. Just to clear one misunderstanding, the hyper meta or funneling strategy got nerfed in 3v3, too. But you're still able to play it out, it's just delayed and gives your opponent more time to play around it. So, in fact, as long as you snowball early, a lot of hyper comps will have trouble facing you. And that's the last thing I want to point out. In 3v3, no matter what strategy you play (jungle or hyper), you try to snowball as early as possible and usually on side gets the lead, probably vilemaw and then pushes through. Games are decided fast, often by just one good, or well, bad decision. If you think this isn't something you actually like to play, to invest your time in, then I fear 3v3 high elo rankeds are not to your liking. In the end, I believe removing the whole strategy wouldn't bring happiness to the 3v3 community. In fact, I really like the hyper meta, for me it's a little like playing bot on 5v5 with more agression to it (and the laning phase on bot in 5v5 is usually longer than my "farm only" phase on 3v3 :p). If you're motivated, you'll find fun and interesting ways to play around it, and you will have success. I'm sure you'll find a way you can enjoy!
> As far as I understand, your issue is that you have to put effort into some sort of tactic you're not willing to play or play against. Well yeah, my issue is not the _effort_, I've learned all roles in 5v5 even though I mainly play just Top, I don't mind putting effort into things learning. Funneling is just so uninteractive, I've already successfully tried funneling a few times on my EUW smurf (low elo though), but it still wasn't fun. > Just to clear one misunderstanding, the hyper meta or funneling strategy got nerfed in 3v3, too. But you're still able to play it out, it's just delayed and gives your opponent more time to play around it. So, in fact, as long as you snowball early, a lot of hyper comps will have trouble facing you. But you still have to snowball early, and if the enemies are any good, you have max 10 minutes to do this. If you can't snowball in 10 minutes, you're gone. Also, if you play funne vs funnel, nobody will try to fight, it's just 20+min farm fest and then one mistake decides everything. > And that's the last thing I want to point out. In 3v3, no matter what strategy you play (jungle or hyper), you try to snowball as early as possible and usually on side gets the lead, probably vilemaw and then pushes through. Games are decided fast, often by just one good, or well, bad decision. If you think this isn't something you actually like to play, to invest your time in, then I fear 3v3 high elo rankeds are not to your liking. Of course you _try_ to snowball, but in JG vs funnel meta you _have to_ snowball to win. In JG vs JG meta, if you fail to snowball, it's fine, so did they. > In the end, I believe removing the whole strategy wouldn't bring happiness to the 3v3 community. In fact, I really like the hyper meta, for me it's a little like playing bot on 5v5 with more agression to it (and the laning phase on bot in 5v5 is usually longer than my "farm only" phase on 3v3 :p). Yeah maybe removing it entirely is an overkill, but imo it should be a "niche" pick instead of the dominating main meta.
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: I would be along with this post... If any of my time or the enemy team used it. I think the only champions I think benefit from that are champions whose ults are transformations, or yasuo and kai'sa.
Riven, Renekton, Jax, all of which are horrible to play against as soon as they get SoS, all of which would do fine without SoS.
: Hello murchalvias! First things first, it's nice to hear you've gotten into 3v3. I absolutly agree, it's fun in many ways, and you can have a different experince compared to 5v5. But there is a common misconception of people thinking 3v3 is an "easy way" to achieve high ranks. While there might be points that are easier, like having overview over a smaller map and less people (and a very messy low elo), the high elo is still very competitive and people are trying their best to get the most out of their comps. It's the same with 3v3 as in 5v5; people are willing to spend time and motivation to achieve high ranks. Honestly, if you want to go for a "chill play", playing ladder in a competitive game as big as League will probably disappoint you at some point, even with your level of skill. In 3v3 you will face a different meta than in 5v5. Of course, it's an other map, after all. And the gap between low elo and high elo is way larger than it is in 5v5. You've reached the point where you have to play around stragies, not only yours but also those of your foes. Even if the meta would change, it wouldn't change the fact that you need to put in effort to reach higher goals. It is possible to continue with a jungle setup, but it's more difficult to adapt and success. 3v3 is generally a very fast paced and dynamic mode. AFK-farming with hyper for twenty minutes? That wont do, most of my games doesn't even last this long. You need to force fights and snowball as much as possible, efficiency is very important. You can find a brief description of the different meta setups here: https://www.doubledorans.com/Tierlist You should also check out http://3v3.gg I hope you can still enjoy your games in the Twisted Treeline!
Hi Prisma Illya and thanks for taking the time to write a response. I may have worded myself badly; I never meant to say that 3v3 is an "easy way" to achieve high ranks, just less stressful. And that's obvious, since there are less players to focus on, less lanes, less jungle camps (and they're in the same place), less main objectives (turrets, dragons), and no fighting for vision. Of course it will still be competitive and people are doing their best to win and you have to focus on everything, but there are objectively less things to focus on in general. Let's call it chill_ier_ than SR. >You've reached the point where you have to play around stragies, not only yours but also those of your foes. Even if the meta would change, it wouldn't change the fact that you need to put in effort to reach higher goals. Maybe it's because of the way I worded things, but you seem to think that my issue is that we can't climb anymore due to having to put more effort into it. That's certainly not the case, we reached high diamond last season, and we're currently just low platinum. I can assure you we'd be able to climb higher than low plat, but we don't want to. _It's not fun._ We are ready to put in a lot of effort, we are ready to play around strategies. But not boring, unfun, uninteractive strategies that were heavily nerfed out of 5v5 in a matter of weeks because everyone hated it. Riot clearly agreed that it was unhealthly, I just don't understand why they didn't nerf it from 3v3 too. >3v3 is generally a very fast paced and dynamic mode. AFK-farming with hyper for twenty minutes? That wont do, most of my games doesn't even last this long. You need to force fights and snowball as much as possible, efficiency is very important. The only reason you must snowball is so that they can't farm for 20 minutes with hyper. The fact that you had to use the words "you need to snowball" already shows that funneling is unhealthly. Yeah it's not impossible to beat, its winrate probably isn't much higher than jungle meta's, but it's super annoying and forces you to snowball.
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