: On paper that sounds awesome right? In practice, though, you have great income for the first 1000 gold until to get your Tier 3 upgrade, then you hit gold starvation really hard. Losing spoils and tribute really hurts the **_ENDGAME FANTASY_** (I say that sarcastically because that's the term they used when they first introduced support gold batteries) of a lot of champions that became staple support picks.
Easy way is disable gold restriction after 20min of game (on Tier 3 upgrade). So support can farm in late game.
: Nerf Kaisa
Words 2019 pick rate on BOT: {{champion:145}} 49/148 33% {{champion:498}} 33/148 22% {{champion:81}} 13/148 8%
Keiaga (NA)
: sprinters? Lmfao that's a new term. Having a perma-slow on your auto attacks doesn't increase your own ms. Jinx isn't going to get her MS boost for killing a champion or tower when she's trying to _disengage_ from that champion
"Having a perma-slow on your auto attacks doesn't increase your own ms." Lmfao, they changed runes three years ago. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} Approach Velocity: Gain 15% bonus Movement speed movement speed when moving toward a movement impaired allied champion, **or toward an enemy champion whose movement you have impaired**.
Keiaga (NA)
: Ashe and Jinx are completely immobile as far as "disengage" goes and they're both actually in the top 5 most played marksmen up to plat.
{{champion:222}} {{champion:22}} immobile??? They are sprinters: - Jinx, she gains Movement speed icon 175% bonus movement speed which decays over 6 seconds - Ashe's basic attacks and abilities apply Frost to enemies (=374MS on level 1)
CurS1VE (NA)
: for sure her utility is sick but you look at Varus who is like Ashe with a boy part and he has some really nice utility and a R that is even better in team fights as well as a E that gives healing reduction and he is doing really poorly i want to like Varus, really i do but dam that guys kit is too weak early it never hits the power spikes as hard as the other champs and the utility although it is good never seems to be as game defining / changing as it should.. On paper just talking Utility, Varus should be at or above where Ashe is if it were just about the utility they bring.. I am agreeing with just so you know, i agree her kit is more than just dmg and numbers; but a jump that dramatically from what seemed to be Quality of life changes, there has to be something in her kit that is making her jump up that much.
Forget for a moment on the Western mentality, specializing in just one thing (damage). Varus is immobile target. Ashe is "support ADC", and her main utility is great movement speed on level 1. 1+1=2 > 1,3
: Stupid Matchmaking System
yes "ELO system" is unfair garbage (in 5 vs 5 environment)
shipo13 (EUNE)
: How "log off" from client?
Solution is delete the folder: **_C:\ProgramData\Riot Games_**
Rioter Comments
: Pretty sure Pyke is green. Plus, accusations of BF in a cosplay like this is absurd. We've really started going downhill with all this outrage culture. I looked at her cosplay on the site linked - it's not even close to BF. This is beyond nuts.
> [{quoted}](name=RISE Shlack123,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Efcwx1jE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-10T21:44:03.756+0000) > > Pretty sure Pyke is green. Plus, accusations of BF in a cosplay like this is absurd. We've really started going downhill with all this outrage culture. I looked at her cosplay on the site linked - it's not even close to BF. This is beyond nuts. He is black, [ green is water.](http://www.surrenderat20.net/2018/05/pyke-bloodharbor-ripper-now-available.html)
: oh look another complainer :/ look at his farm? you realize they nerfed his farm against minions twice or three times so its kinda hard to do anything. his ult is his ONLY source of income out of his support item which only gives 2k gold by the end of the game. you realize how hard it is to help clear waves at the end of the game now? you literally cant. if supers are on your nexus its gg now. but yeah nerf pyke. and the reason you shit on him is he built trash. tank pyke? he cant build health so that armor/mr accounts for literally fuck all. aftershock? no shit he lost.
you realize {{champion:91}} (23/16 + 237farm) has only 21k gold? Pyke has fastest health regen on game.
JoroA (EUW)
: What are your 5 most hated champions in order?
{{champion:157}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:105}}
: This is because of the minion movement speed changes. Now that minions are no longer too high demand, towers will drop in the absence of one team's champs. The meta is now unforgiving and unbelievably fast. The skill required to close out a game is no longer necessary because games now decide themselves after a view unfortunate events. Even late game champions (Like Azir, Gangplank, Tristana, or even Vayne) cannot help the losing team because the game pretty much times out at 30 minutes. They've (re)created champions that curve with the current meta ( Aatrox, Swain, Nunu) and left behind those that don't (Azir, Tristana, Viktor, and MORE!) Like how can u change the entire game time table and expect everything to be fine-- expect to not need to address the obvious problems? (Like the giant amount of champions that are unplayable now >> Maokai, Ornn, Sejuani, Soraka, Braum, Zilean, Fiddlesticks, Most of the ADC roster except Ezreal, Kaisa, and Jinx(?), Annie, Heimer, Zyra, Aurelion Sol, Twisted Fate, Syndra, Ziggs, Most of the Jungle roster, Shaco, Leblanc, Nocturne, Kassadin(?), Nidalee, and lets be real, Yasuo has lost his thunder. None of these champs are playable in a practical scenario. This game used to change on its own but now that everything is being cut to the bone, nothing is playable unless you play it F L A W L E S S L Y. Which makes the meta stale and repetitive.
Patch V8.9: Basic attack AP ratio against turrets increased to 60% AP from 50% AP. NEW EFFECT: If a basic attack uses ability power bonus to turrets, the **whole attack will convert to magic damage**, rather than only the ability power scaling portion. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} Support + Jungler: 3 towers + inhibitor in 25 sec
: Let's be honest here though, teams will actively target Soraka, an assassin or diver will prioritise Soraka over carries due to how Soraka works. This is why she commonly takes barrier over Ignite or Exhaust. No one is diving the enemy team to focus their Pyke, why would you?
: Riot has favored shorter queues over role preference and balanced teams this has probably been in response to constant player whining, but it has made the overall game experience much worse. They need to find a better balance between the two. I would rather have longer queues than these constantly awful games.
Everybody want play mid (most impact on game + not hard as dual lane).
: Reporting people for ruining games? Yeah, that's definitely okay. It's amazing how many people don't understand that off-meta doesn't extend to outright trolling with a stupid pick. Rule number 1 of the summoner's code clearly states, "Being a good team player begins at champion select." When you break that rule by picking something that requires your entire team pick and play around it in a way that can't possibly be explained during champion select, you are subject to the punishment that comes with it. It's disturbing how many people are rallying behind inting just because they don't like Nightblue3.
Nightblue3 pick {{champion:121}} on Botlane and start flaming others in lobby: ""im jungle or mental boom""
: Nightblue gets a player Falsely banned.
Why riot support game toxicity? {{champion:121}} {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
: I do believe I said she was weak. People argued with me about it. .-.
> [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YNtIJnzy,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-15T11:18:25.078+0000) > > I do believe I said she was weak. People argued with me about it. .-. {{champion:350}} she do nothing(W), not even place wards, it is like 1vs2 for her ADC
Xonra (NA)
: "Ranked is about skill and not at all a coinflip"
When you have on MID **Bronze 2** player vs **Diamond 2** enemy, it's not just coinflip.
: > Everyone starts off the game with a 50% chance of winning https://giphy.com/gifs/l0HlvtIPzPdt2usKs/html5
bullshit ELO system: Silver 3 vs. Silver 4 team, who can win? https://i.ibb.co/gz0vqPf/s3vss4.png **Games are so much fast.**
: I'm confused, what am I looking at here? What's changed?
> [{quoted}](name=AngusBoomPants,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n16Bpt1P,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2019-03-21T06:17:20.958+0000) > > I'm confused, what am I looking at here? What's changed? 1 stack per enemy ward (+0.6AD) now its only about KDA
Saezio (EUNE)
: Maybe simply make everyone ban 1 champ and hoverban another and depending on if someone bans "none" one of the hoveredbans is chosen and banned randomly
or just make default ban system: 1) if none -> select last player ban 2) if selected ban is declared on ally, use ally last ban
: looks like they aren't fully reverting the buffs for some reason ''v8.11 The loss of crit chance on IE means if Yasuo wants to utilize his crit-doubling passive, he has to rush a Zeal item - none of which comes with AD. We're giving him some early/midgame help so he's better able to make it through the process of building Phantom Dancer, while also letting up on the Q crit damage reduction now that IE no longer multiplies crit damage. BASE ATTACK DAMAGE : [60] ⇒ 63 Steel Tempest.png Q - Steel Tempest CRIT DAMAGE : [150%] ⇒ 180%'' so it should be reduced back to 150% not 160%
its even worse: old {{item:3031}} give you only 20% critic(40%)
l MrD l (NA)
: New stormrazer?
{{item:3095}} its late game item, it interact with {{item:3087}} for team fights On {{champion:21}} or {{champion:236}} is much better {{item:3508}} (same in late game where you have some mana pool).
Trias000 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=shipo13,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mMhwEj7r,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-02-09T11:46:58.092+0000) > > critic items buff What buff?
{{item:3086}} + {{item:3031}} + {{item:1051}} = 100% critical chance (for 5000 gold) on fast Q/E champ (+ no CDR or mana issues, just with HP)
: Crit items were nerfed. What are you talking about? Crit chance was reduced across the board.
Yes, overall it was **small unnecessary buff** (+0.25% win rate for pure ADCs in early game, but big nerf in late game: 2*(30%+30%)=100% vs 25%+25%+25%=75%). Average game time is just 30min. Critic items are cheaper. Buffs: {{item:3031}} {{item:3086}} {{item:1018}}{{item:3046}} Nerfs: {{item:3095}} {{item:3508}} {{item:3087}} {{item:3085}} {{item:3094}}
Rioter Comments
PhRoXz0n (NA)
: Crit Item Explorations
Screwed ADC items are live on PBE server (only way for botlane is AP and lethality). {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} RIP {{item:3095}} {{item:3085}}
: Absolute Focus is getting nerfed on PBE
> [{quoted}](name=SlashStriker,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XQPMnHA0,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-01-16T22:37:23.732+0000) > > Does anyone even use this rune? Why they nerfing ADC? and 18AD not make any sense (same "Eyeball Collection" work on 0-100% HP)
: Yasuo has been my most killed champion 3 years in a row
Yasuo players always dive into enemy tower (on lane try spam ctrl+4 and ctrl+6).
: Vayne's winratio skyrocketed to 54% in the span of one day.
Its 56% winrate: https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/9.1/platinum/plus/champion/Vayne/Top/
: the TXT in LOL is blurry
https://i.imgur.com/046ac3D.png[/img] The ticket to this disappeared.
: The systems running Player Behavior need work.
"playing the entire match not only to win, but to also have fun and help other teammates" Game1: https://prnt.sc/m4q7bx Psyclone13: **h**ill **y**our**s**elf Psyclone13: trust me
: I'm surprised that the Nasus buffs got onto live servers.
Nasus Q - Siphoning Strike LARGE KILL STACKS :: 6 per champion, large minion, or large monster kill >>> **12** {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} not 7, 8, 9, 10 or 11
: Before anyone says, "Damage is too high, nerf damage and Duskblade now." Consider the follow: - Caitlyn is two level behind Ornn - Ornn, who has a Masterwork item, more than likely has a gold advantage overall on Caitlyn This is not a result of damage being 'high'. Ornn's damage is only high because he has the aforementioned conditions. But we should also consider this scenario as a grounds of what it would be like if defenses were buffed and damage across all champs and items being nerfed. As most tanks, like Ornn, have damage scaled with their HP and resistances. So by proxy, their damage is heightened BECAUSE they built tanking. Thus buffing tanks on two fronts: 1) HP and resistance values and 2) ability damage.
> [{quoted}](name=l Ryden l,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=L7c8Hist,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-01-09T20:01:13.833+0000) > > Consider the follow: > - Caitlyn is two level behind Ornn Two level is standard XP difference between solo and duo lane (solo lanes get 150% XP from minions). And this {{champion:51}} have ACE (=best enemy player): https://i.imgur.com/Mevo69l.png[/img]
: 29th Snowdown Mission is broken
I have same issue in **BOTs game**. Just play PVP (works every drake per game).
Festing (NA)
: lmfao permabanned over nothing. I love how rito intentionally targets people who spend money on their accounts.
> [{quoted}](name=Festing,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fobEkuEi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-02T06:15:43.622+0000) > > lmfao permabanned over nothing. I love how rito intentionally targets people who spend money on their accounts. "I did rage, I did flame, I did act toxic. I can admit that." {{champion:157}} + {{champion:238}} main
: Evaluate how this is toxic
**Edènœ: GTFO Edènœ: I WLL CHASE U Edènœ: TILL YOU DIE** Edènœ: guyz team toxic Edènœ: report plz Edènœ: stop toxic to me Edènœ: reported Edènœ: team so toxic Edènœ: have fun Edènœ: with that toxic report Edènœ: toxic Edènœ: reproted Edènœ: 1 vs 1 me teemo Edènœ: not crying just stating facts
: What ruins your gaming experience?
: Why do AD carries have to two-shot people?
It is joke? You have some video proof?
: I like how riot is giving adc’s some defensive itemization...
just roll back: **Patch 8.11 Marksman Base Stat Adjustments ** The dominant strategy in bot lane has, over time, become sustaining through lane phase and scaling up into teamfights. Between health regen and Fleet Footwork, it's pretty hard to put the hurt on marksmen in a way they can't just passively recover from.. This means aggressive bot laners ( whether early game bully marksmen or supports who want to poke or go all-in) feel like they have no home. _Weakening marksman sustain (health regen here, Fleet Footwork below) means damage will stick on marksmen, making 2v2 fighting a more successful prospect for the stronger bot lane. Shifting some durability from armor into health should also let aggressive marksmen like Draven and Lucian shine a bit harder in the early game. Finally, we're nerfing marksman base attack damage by 4 and pushing that damage into their growth stat, with the breakeven point around level 9. Though that might seem counterintuitive with our goals above, it means aggressive non-marksmen (ex. Leona, Brand) won't be chipped down by marksman basic attacks as quickly—giving them more opportunities to secure presence in the lane._ Ashe ATTACK DAMAGE : [65] ⇒ 61 ATTACK DAMAGE GROWTH : [2.26] ⇒ 2.96 ARMOR : [31] ⇒ 26 HEALTH : [527.72] ⇒ 539 HEALTH GROWTH : [79] ⇒ 85 HEALTH REGEN : [1.1] ⇒ 0.7 Caitlyn ATTACK DAMAGE : [62] ⇒ 58 ATTACK DAMAGE GROWTH : [2.18] ⇒ 2.88 ARMOR : [33] ⇒ 28 HEALTH : [475] ⇒ 481 HEALTH GROWTH : [85] ⇒ 91 HEALTH REGEN : [1.1] ⇒ 0.7 Draven ATTACK DAMAGE : [64] ⇒ 60 ATTACK DAMAGE GROWTH : [2.91] ⇒ 3.61 ARMOR : [34] ⇒ 29 HEALTH : [557.76] ⇒ 574 HEALTH GROWTH : [82] ⇒ 88 HEALTH REGEN : [1.2] ⇒ 0.75 Ezreal ATTACK DAMAGE : [64] ⇒ 60 ATTACK DAMAGE GROWTH : [2.41] ⇒ 3.11 ARMOR : [31] ⇒ 25 HEALTH : [484.4] ⇒ 491 HEALTH GROWTH : [80] ⇒ 86 HEALTH REGEN : [1.3] ⇒ 0.8 Jhin ATTACK DAMAGE : [61] ⇒ 57 ATTACK DAMAGE GROWTH : [4] ⇒ 4.7 ARMOR : [29] ⇒ 24 HEALTH : [540] ⇒ 556 HEALTH GROWTH : [85] ⇒ 91 HEALTH REGEN : [1.2] ⇒ 0.75 Jinx ATTACK DAMAGE : [61] ⇒ 57 ATTACK DAMAGE GROWTH : [2.7] ⇒ 3.4 ARMOR : [32] ⇒ 28 HEALTH : [515] ⇒ 531 HEALTH GROWTH : [82] ⇒ 88 HEALTH REGEN : [1.2] ⇒ 0.75 Kai'Sa ATTACK DAMAGE : [63] ⇒ 59 ATTACK DAMAGE GROWTH : [1] ⇒ 1.7 ARMOR : [33.04] ⇒ 28 HEALTH : [554.4] ⇒ 571 HEALTH GROWTH : [80] ⇒ 86 HEALTH REGEN : [1.1] ⇒ 0.7 Kalista ATTACK DAMAGE : [66] ⇒ 62 ATTACK DAMAGE GROWTH : [2.9] ⇒ 3.6 ARMOR : [28] ⇒ 23 HEALTH : [517.76] ⇒ 534 HEALTH GROWTH : [83] ⇒ 89 HEALTH REGEN : [1.2] ⇒ 0.75 Kog'Maw ATTACK DAMAGE : [65] ⇒ 61 ATTACK DAMAGE GROWTH : [2.41] ⇒ 3.11 ARMOR : [29] ⇒ 24 HEALTH : [517.76] ⇒ 534 HEALTH GROWTH : [82] ⇒ 88 HEALTH REGEN : [1.2] ⇒ 0.75 Lucian ATTACK DAMAGE : [65] ⇒ 61 ATTACK DAMAGE GROWTH : [2.41] ⇒ 3.11 ARMOR : [33] ⇒ 28 HEALTH : [554.4] ⇒ 571 HEALTH GROWTH : [80] ⇒ 86 HEALTH REGEN : [1.2] ⇒ 0.75 Miss Fortune ATTACK DAMAGE : [54] ⇒ 50 ATTACK DAMAGE GROWTH : [2] ⇒ 2.7 ARMOR : [33] ⇒ 28 HEALTH : [530] ⇒ 541 HEALTH GROWTH : [85] ⇒ 91 HEALTH REGEN : [1.2] ⇒ 0.75 Sivir ATTACK DAMAGE : [65] ⇒ 61 ATTACK DAMAGE GROWTH : [2.41] ⇒ 3.11 ARMOR : [31] ⇒ 26 HEALTH : [515.76] ⇒ 532 HEALTH GROWTH : [82] ⇒ 88 HEALTH REGEN : [1] ⇒ 0.65 Tristana ATTACK DAMAGE : [65] ⇒ 61 ATTACK DAMAGE GROWTH : [2.41] ⇒ 3.11 ARMOR : [31] ⇒ 26 HEALTH : [542.76] ⇒ 559 HEALTH GROWTH : [82] ⇒ 88 HEALTH REGEN : [1.2] ⇒ 0.75 Twitch ATTACK DAMAGE : [63] ⇒ 59 ATTACK DAMAGE GROWTH : [2.41] ⇒ 3.11 ARMOR : [32] ⇒ 27 HEALTH : [525.08] ⇒ 542 HEALTH GROWTH : [81] ⇒ 87 HEALTH REGEN : [1.2] ⇒ 0.75 Varus ATTACK DAMAGE : [63] ⇒ 59 ATTACK DAMAGE GROWTH : [2.41] ⇒ 3.11 ARMOR : [32] ⇒ 27 HEALTH : [537.76] ⇒ 549 HEALTH GROWTH : [82] ⇒ 86 HEALTH REGEN : [1.1] ⇒ 0.7 Vayne ATTACK DAMAGE : [64] ⇒ 60 ATTACK DAMAGE GROWTH : [1.66] ⇒ 2.36 ARMOR : [28] ⇒ 23 HEALTH : [598.44] ⇒ 515 HEALTH GROWTH : [83] ⇒ 89 HEALTH REGEN : [1.1] ⇒ 0.7 Xayah ATTACK DAMAGE : [64] ⇒ 60 ATTACK DAMAGE GROWTH : [2.2] ⇒ 2.9 ARMOR : [33] ⇒ 28 HEALTH : [545] ⇒ 561 HEALTH GROWTH : [80] ⇒ 86 HEALTH REGEN : [1] ⇒ 0.6
: ADC damage non-existant with 90% crit and IE +more
PhRoXz0n (NA)
: Crit Item Explorations
**YES to IE Direction 1 - IE Reversion** NO to IE Direction 2 - 5k Gold IE and Zeal upgrade changes, Energized Changes NO to [25% Crit Zeal Items] NO to [Hexdrinker] NO to [Defensive PD] NO to [Energized Stormrazor] NO to [Multi proc Stormrazor] **YES to [Buffed Last Whisper]** NO to [New Maw]
ButtBear (EUW)
: Remove yasuo from the game
patch V8.11: Base attack damage** increased to 63 from 60**. Steel Tempest Steel Tempest Critical strike AD ratio **increased to 180% AD** from 150% AD. Way of the Wanderer Way of the Wanderer BUG FIX: The combination of Brawler's **Gloves item Brawler's Gloves and Infinity Edge item Infinity Edge now properly grants 40% critical strike chance**. -------- 10% * 2 = 40% ?!?!? {{sticker:zombie-nunu-bummed}} {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
: Why are we buffing enchanters when they are statistically strong?
In s8 they make new botlane "support" meta: {{champion:63}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:143}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:30}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:12}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:9}} {{champion:85}} (no shields or healing champions)
Buff {{item:3086}} to 20% critic or nerf unbalanced {{item:3802}}
Birdfcker (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=shipo13,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6OVU82EK,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-22T14:35:59.766+0000) > > http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Control_Ward > > http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=292935 never seen it
> [{quoted}](name=Birdfcker,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6OVU82EK,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-22T15:16:19.162+0000) > > never seen it In SHOP scroll down to Consumables. or show All Items: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/7/7a/ItemCategories.png
Birdfcker (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=shipo13,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6OVU82EK,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-12-22T14:26:49.306+0000) > > {{item:2055}} {{item:2055}} {{item:2055}} > Cost 3x 75Gold WHAT'S THAT ITEM?
> [{quoted}](name=Birdfcker,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6OVU82EK,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-22T14:28:08.321+0000) > > WHAT'S THAT ITEM? http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Control_Ward http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=292935
Birdfcker (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=shipo13,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6OVU82EK,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-22T14:15:05.065+0000) > > Its super easy (just buy and place: 1 on start + 2wards in jungle). ENGLISH PLEASE
> [{quoted}](name=Birdfcker,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6OVU82EK,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-12-22T14:25:08.111+0000) > > ENGLISH PLEASE {{item:2055}} {{item:2055}} {{item:2055}} 3x **75Gold**
Birdfcker (EUW)
Its super easy (just buy and place: 1 on start + 2wards in jungle).
: How do you lane against Pyke?
Just use {{item:3340}}: PASSIVE: GIFT OF THE DROWNED ONES When Pyke is unseen by enemies, he rapidly regenerates some of the health recently lost to enemy champions. Pyke also converts his bonus health into bonus attack damage instead.
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