: >A lot of Katarina mains that I know really enjoyed the smooth gameplay of old Katarina. And everyone else hated playing against her. She had clear weaknesses, but people found her to be really frustrating to play against. Or at least people in low elo did.
{{item:3128}} times were pretty dark if you had to play against old Katarina, after the DFG removal and damage nerf she was pretty balanced and could not one shot squichy without her ultimate.
WoOxêr (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=TiG Trashbag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=auI0Wh8B,comment-id=0056,timestamp=2018-10-02T05:36:13.563+0000) > > I completely agree. I literally stopped playing Katarina after her rework almost completely because she isn't fun to me anymore. Her combos feel so slow now its not fun. As someone who ACTUALLY plays her. I wish they would revert Katarina as well. L2play mby? Facerolling keyboard even my pet could do that.
As I said many MANY times it's not about learning to play the champion, rather the feeling the champion gives you. I, personally, play her really well but she still feels like shit in early stages of the game and during late game teamfight. Atleast she's really good once you have that Gunblade powerspike + lvl 11.
: I am also a Katarina main, sometimes i feel like she does need to get changes, buffs or even a revert but the new Katarina open's a lot of fun outplays. the only problem i have is that she doesn't have a lot of items to build and it gets boring to build the same things over and over again. If they did change anything to her i would like it to be that she can ward jump again and it being a blink also. I also miss how fast old Kat was.{{item:3285}}
: LMAO katarina would be horse shit in high elo if she got reverted i dont know why you want her to be reverted,like its champions fault you have grey KDAs {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
As I have mentionned I had no issues playing her in really high elo game (Master/Chall). I still don't have issues now, I complain about the fact that she's unsatisfying to play.
Poske (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Auzyris,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=auI0Wh8B,comment-id=00340000,timestamp=2018-10-01T13:11:21.478+0000) > > Don't be like that, I'm probably better than you on any versions of Katarina so don't speak to me like I'm a piece of shit. As I said I'm high Master on main, I played Katarina since beta, I got Challenger multiple times, even getting that sweet Jacket during season 6. I got challenger to 3 times infact. Last time around 5 months ago peeking top 50 I play katarina since 2009. You are extremly unlikely better then me on any katarina version infact its impossible since you are Q maxer > > I know how to play Katarina, I know every aspect of her, but she still feels clunky to play and that's my complain. E max is decent for trading but you have no farming tools, you have less opportunities with your Q and you lose damage if you don't Shunpo 3 times your enemy. E max is a must. You can still farm with Q DOING 70-80 dmg. Infact maxing Q ll just lead to enemy freezing in retarded spot which you cant shunpo in without risking dying specially with E resseting 4 seconds to late Just try maxing e and kata ll feel less clunky to you. Dmg in league overall has to go down, i WOULD prefer that over kata buffs > I'm glad you atleast agree on my ideas about Q and W drop speed. :) I would have better ideas myself but this arent the worst.
I wont debate any longer on who is the better Katarina, I am confident in my own capacities. However I shall try maxing E again to see if my opinion change. I've tried it many times and didn't really liked it since it's only good for trading. I will give you some update about that soon. Feel free to share your ideas for some Katarina changes if you have any.
Unvictus (NA)
: And now he’s rank shaming... quality “discussion” you’re promoting. Flaming anyone who disagrees with you and calling out their rank and saying that you’re better than them so their opinion doesn’t matter. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
The way he stated his point was a bit too agressive in my opinion so I fight back, I like reading any opinion but you can't comment here to tell me I'm a trash player and don't know how to play Katarina. That's all. Don't worry about our flaming game, we are Kat mains after all, we are assholes.
Poske (EUNE)
: > * **Her strengths** : The dagger mechanics with the Shunpo reset and outplay potential/mobility it offers. With this new passive she's less reliant on her ultimate to dish out damage. > * **Her weaknesses** : She doesn't feel like an assassin anymore: her daggers are very predictable and easy to dodge or play around and limit her own ability to dodge unpredictably. Also, pre lvl 11 her shunpo cooldown does not feel intuitive to play with as you often have to wait for it to come off cooldown to perform a combo, time during which you end up wandering around without doing anything. She relies on Gunblade too much because you NEED that item in order to combo properly. THATS BECAUSE YOU MAX FKING Q FIRST. I Swear to god katarinas which max Q FIRST HAVE NO RIGHT TO STATE THEIR OPINION > > **How to fix that ?** Some ideas. > > 1. **Revert Katarina**. A lot of Katarina mains that I know really enjoyed the smooth gameplay of old Katarina. It was easy to play but hard to master especially in high elo. Ward jump was great, her build was really flexible even for her abilities, she could go W max vs melee or Q max vs range. Of course she wasn't perfect, she had the same issues as current Katarina : situationally bad in teamfight, countered by CC, bad in lane etc... She also was hard to balance since her abilities were so easy to hit. The ammount of BANNABLE WORDS I WANT TO SAY FOR PUTING A WORD REVERT AND KATARINA NEXT TO EACH OTHER > 2. **Fix her current issues**. Reduce waiting time for the dagger to land, maybe with a scaling on lvl for the delay to improve her late game teamfight. Reduce Shunpo CD in early when picking up a dagger and remove small cast time to make it more reactive, make her less Gunblade-dependent, give her the ability to ward-jump again. The higher Level the W is the faster it should drop. Perpahs Q throw speed should also speed up with leveling OF COURSE SHE FEELS CLUNKY TO A FKING Q MAXER. i BET YOU also think KATLIFE / KATEVOLVED are good katarinas What they should change about kata is input commands in advance but then again I have no idea how they even managed to fk that up and 99.99999% of you wont have any idea what I am talking about.
Don't be like that, I'm probably better than you on any versions of Katarina so don't speak to me like I'm a piece of shit. As I said I'm high Master on main, I played Katarina since beta, I got Challenger multiple times, even getting that sweet Jacket during season 6. I know how to play Katarina, I know every aspect of her, but she still feels clunky to play and that's my complain. E max is decent for trading but you have no farming tools, you have less opportunities with your Q and you lose damage if you don't Shunpo 3 times your enemy. I'm glad you atleast agree on my ideas about Q and W drop speed. :)
: Oh my god another thread about this. i beg of you just stop. KATARINA IS FINE NOW! she is strong (if u know how to play her), balanced assassin. I swear to god, the only reason people complain about kat is cause they can't get a single penta anymore, i promise you that is the only reason why people complain about her. Only thing that needs to be changed is Gunblade but not katarina. No one complained about her when she was pick/ban status in the assassin rework, but after she fell down and now is weak midlane people start complaining. Pathetic.
She's fine ofc but she still feels terrible in some situations. In the laning phase she has no real tool to farm "safely". She has to commit so much in order to farm/trade, in most match up she does not feel scary to play against, she's incredibly slow with the shunpo reset, so slow that you end up losing the trade by the time your shunpo is back up. In late game teamfight her daggers take too much time to land so it's really hard to dish out damage before getting oneshotted, the best thing you can hope for is to throw a dagger on the front line and have an ADC walking on it. It's not fun in my opinion, it's predictable, always the same and not smooth.
Naymliss (NA)
: Kinda like Kat {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
I'm doing just fine, thx ! {{sticker:cass-cry}}
: if you think aatrox isnt clunky to play, then idk what the fuck to tell you lol, the slow q's on a juggernaut esc champ feels so fucking aweful
It just take some games to get use to it but it's really a blast to play.
: saying old katarina was hard to master is just a delusion LOL
And YET it was hard to master to way you had to playing laning phase, take teamfights and play around your CD, be quick with your combo, ward jump etc. Ofc anyone could roll face at some point and get a penta but that's not all the champion had.
: kat mains just wanna do more damage with less thought
Kat mains want to play a champ that is smooth, not clunky and fun to play. >_n Irelia, Akali and Aatrox are fun to play and does not feel clunky. Sadly their gameplay is overshadowed by the fact that they are slightly overpowered. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Nirvinian,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=auI0Wh8B,comment-id=00010002000000010000,timestamp=2018-10-01T04:24:17.159+0000) > > Yea, except that mf's kit was kept the same, and she's just as good and relevant as she ever was. Her identity remained true. Kat's was changed entirely to the worse. What's the point of having a skill requirement to a champ that isn't even fun to play anymore. I don't understand that concept. I'm all for adding skill to a champion, but god damn don't make that champion unplayable to the point that not even high elos play her anymore. Kat wasn't even a thing in High Elos before her rework. MF was kept largely the same as her pre=rework, MF was actually changed a decent bit as well. Her old passive was made into her new W, her old W was straight up removed in favor of a new one. The only thing she kept was her Q, E, and R. Much like Katarina. They also removed any real possibility of making AP MF work as well due to her new passive being full AD scaling and her ult being able to crit. The thing is, both are better versions of their old selves. Also again, Kat was only changed for the better. She can still do everything she did before. She can do more in fact. The only difference is she can't just use Sinister Steel on command, but she trades that for the ability to use it twice in a short time. Her damage values are even **higher** than pre-rework Kat's(especially because of the new W). New Kat is quite literally the best version of Katarina that anyone could hope for. She can do everything she could before, and **more**(except ward hop, but honestly the fact that she can use E much more often is way better than ward hopping). How exactly is her rework **worse**?
Kat was a thing in high elo back then n_<, in fact I got Challenger by the end of S6 by playing her. Kat has more damage in her current kit indeed but it's much harder to use, she needs the CC from Gunblade proc her dagger, champs with mobility can play around her daggers too easily. Ofc she has others strenghts now but you can't say she's straight up better than before.
: Lmao, solution 2 is basically asking for her to be a 100% win rate.
I don't expect EVERYTHING, I'm just making some recommandations :)
: No? Let's not revert Katarina? The fact that this is upvoted and commented on so positively is also suspicious AF since I know every other "Revert Kata" thread has been vehemently downvoted and argued against. She is fair the way she is; she's intended to be mechanically complicated in her current iteration which is why she has a 49(almost 50%) win rate. Old Katarina lacked a lot of counter play and was at best just a bronze stomper and at worst fucking insane. She should remain the way she is now.
Hey. I played old Katarina in competitive soloQ and I could find ways to carry with a really simple kit when she was a "bronze stomper". 49.7% winrate is alright for a "hard to play" champion but she has a really low playrate and she's played a lot by OTP. Also I mostly complain about the feeling I have while playing this champions, she's slow, clunky, predictable and I don't want to build Gunblade every games. The fact that she's "bad" is not my main issue with her.
Unvictus (NA)
: A revert is the worst thing that could happen in my opinion. Her new kit is way more fun in my opinion and requires much more skill. Why anyone would want to go back to her “face roll on the keyboard kit” is beyond me. Her old kit had literally no skill expression at all, with the exception of wait out enemy cc (a gameplay factor not exclusive to Kat). All that needs to happen is reduce dagger drop times as the game goes on and lower/ remove the shunpo cast time and boom, she feels smooth to play again.
To me old Katarina had a lot to her kit while having really basic abilities. You could kite with her W, it was also a great tool during laning phase to poke/farm without having to commit too much. Ward/Jump was awesore to dodge and be unpredictable. A lot of smalls things made Katarina special back then. I think it's pretty hard to be creative with current Katarina. The gameplay based around dagger force you to do specific things and make you predictable wich can be problematic especially in higher elo.
: Nearly 50 percent win rate isn’t “pretty bad”
For a champion with 2.2% playrate it's not that great. Also she is played mostly by OTP, making it even worse.
: Wierd, i always thought i was mostly alone with likeing old kat more than the new... The old kit felt so much smoother and with more options while beeing mechanically less stressfull...And even off builts like trinity bruiser actually did work well.
You are not alone friend, I think a lot of Katarina mains also really liked old Kata for the same reasons.
Dat Kat (EUW)
: I've been asking for a revert on the boards for a long time on every katarina post, and every time I got downvoted for god knows why. Now everybody's wanting a revert and they're getting upvotes. Weird community this board gathers.
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