Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Avinychus,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=g7LwctzA,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T12:23:38.170+0000) > > not my Team but the enemy team that started hating on me because i talked to the zoe and howcome I am the one who got punished and they got nothing? How do you know that they didn't get punished?
Sukishoo (NA)
: You don't know they got nothing. The system doesn't tell you everytime something happens to someone you report.
Sukishoo (NA)
: Yes. All it takes is one valid report as they don't stack. There's no such thing as "9x" that various people try to say in games. The system is triggered by one and only one report. All subsequent reports do not make it any worse.
Oh just thought so because all the games I have been punished in was where there were like 3+ premade's... and also how it is that I then get punished while they get nothing?
Sukishoo (NA)
: >Please just update the stupid system so that premade can't get you punished so easy compared to normal... Premades have nothing different than anyone else. All reports for chat are looked at the same way.
So you are saying that if you get reported once is the same if you get reported 4 times?
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Avinychus,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=g7LwctzA,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T12:04:17.428+0000) > > Sure but idk if you wanna read it all: > Game 1 > In-Game > Avinychus: how?.. > Avinychus: I was turned around lol > Avinychus: nice bug > Avinychus: me niether but it should not work like that > Avinychus: bc my e says taht if I am turned around I should not be able to take damage > Avinychus: then hiow did I take damage > Avinychus: ok so u can ez spam all yuor abilitys > Avinychus: but if I do my mana runs out > Avinychus: wow fizz is boring to play ;-; > Avinychus: kai'sa no > Avinychus: why is it so bad not to grow up? > Avinychus: lol then mute me u tard > Avinychus: u reply to what I am saying = showing you care > Avinychus: so shhh > Avinychus: u -100 iq > Avinychus: Me: Fizz is boring to play :/ You: STOP CRYING SKREEEEEE I HAVE NO LIFE SO I HAVE TO HATE OTHER PLAYERS IN-GAME > Avinychus: Inting? > Avinychus: I am just having a chat with zoe > Avinychus: so get lost > Avinychus: lol u lose to a ahri and tristana bot ;-; > Avinychus: is that why u so mad? > Avinychus: you, clearly > Avinychus: dude all you say is stop crying > Avinychus: can you english or only that worD? > Avinychus: graves u like your champ > Avinychus: a old %%%% > Avinychus: who cares graves > Avinychus: OH WOW Kai'sa u said something new > Avinychus: Besides it was something I said but still better > Avinychus: dude > Avinychus: I was talking to zoe > Avinychus: U just came and was toxic from start > Avinychus: the one you should be reporting is the kai'sa > Avinychus: 0/4 > Avinychus: F > Avinychus: FLAME? > Avinychus: wtf when > Avinychus: TEll me when I flamed and then I delete my account > Avinychus: Tell me just once when I flamed > Avinychus: the only one who have flamed in this game was u kai'sa and the graves > Avinychus: See now u cant even tell me once when I flamed > Avinychus: nice one mate > Avinychus: then why are you keep being toxic > Avinychus: dude I feal sorry for u bc u have the a small brainy > Avinychus: ok and u call that not being toxic? > Avinychus: graves then mute me are you stupido? > Avinychus: THEN MUTE > Avinychus: U tard > Avinychus: See XD > Avinychus: U guys just keep on going > Avinychus: even tho u say u dont care > Avinychus: YES finaly > Avinychus: that took forever > Avinychus: zoe? > Avinychus: can u guys english? > Avinychus: where should I spawn the herald? > Avinychus: wtf I just asked where to spawn it > Avinychus: why everyone so toxic > Avinychus: jesus man this kha'six > Avinychus: kha'siz I have done more then u have done in the whole game > Avinychus: stop being so toxic and spam f all the time > Avinychus: dude gay is not wrong > Avinychus: He used it like that > Avinychus: kai'sa now .. nvm I wont talk to someone who hates me for no reason at all > Avinychus: imagin being so lonly in real life and have no friends so that u have to be toxic in a video game bc your life sucks Your logs are full of you flaming and blaming your team Sure, it's not the most toxic logs, but constant flaming and blaming can and will get you punished What about the game 2 logs?
not my Team but the enemy team that started hating on me because i talked to the zoe and howcome I am the one who got punished and they got nothing?
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Avinychus,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=g7LwctzA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T11:59:37.022+0000) > > Ye besides the game where I told those words was another game, and I muted the premade's and the only toxic thing I said was "tard" and then I get punished for that?... The system clearly needs to get updated... Want to post logs? Because i honestly doubt that was the only toxic thing you said in those games And how do you want the system to be updated? You said that you want the system to be updated so that a premade can't get you banned easier than normal. But the system is already like that. Premades can't get you banned easier than solo players
> [{quoted}](name=Arcade Lulu,realm=EUNE,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=g7LwctzA,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T12:01:08.125+0000) > > Want to post logs? > Because i honestly doubt that was the only toxic thing you said in those games > > And how do you want the system to be updated? Sure but idk if you wanna read it all: Game 1 In-Game Avinychus: how?.. Avinychus: I was turned around lol Avinychus: nice bug Avinychus: me niether but it should not work like that Avinychus: bc my e says taht if I am turned around I should not be able to take damage Avinychus: then hiow did I take damage Avinychus: ok so u can ez spam all yuor abilitys Avinychus: but if I do my mana runs out Avinychus: wow fizz is boring to play ;-; Avinychus: kai'sa no Avinychus: why is it so bad not to grow up? Avinychus: lol then mute me u tard Avinychus: u reply to what I am saying = showing you care Avinychus: so shhh Avinychus: u -100 iq Avinychus: Me: Fizz is boring to play :/ You: STOP CRYING SKREEEEEE I HAVE NO LIFE SO I HAVE TO HATE OTHER PLAYERS IN-GAME Avinychus: Inting? Avinychus: I am just having a chat with zoe Avinychus: so get lost Avinychus: lol u lose to a ahri and tristana bot ;-; Avinychus: is that why u so mad? Avinychus: you, clearly Avinychus: dude all you say is stop crying Avinychus: can you english or only that worD? Avinychus: graves u like your champ Avinychus: a old %%%% Avinychus: who cares graves Avinychus: OH WOW Kai'sa u said something new Avinychus: Besides it was something I said but still better Avinychus: dude Avinychus: I was talking to zoe Avinychus: U just came and was toxic from start Avinychus: the one you should be reporting is the kai'sa Avinychus: 0/4 Avinychus: F Avinychus: FLAME? Avinychus: wtf when Avinychus: TEll me when I flamed and then I delete my account Avinychus: Tell me just once when I flamed Avinychus: the only one who have flamed in this game was u kai'sa and the graves Avinychus: See now u cant even tell me once when I flamed Avinychus: nice one mate Avinychus: then why are you keep being toxic Avinychus: dude I feal sorry for u bc u have the a small brainy Avinychus: ok and u call that not being toxic? Avinychus: graves then mute me are you stupido? Avinychus: THEN MUTE Avinychus: U tard Avinychus: See XD Avinychus: U guys just keep on going Avinychus: even tho u say u dont care Avinychus: YES finaly Avinychus: that took forever Avinychus: zoe? Avinychus: can u guys english? Avinychus: where should I spawn the herald? Avinychus: wtf I just asked where to spawn it Avinychus: why everyone so toxic Avinychus: jesus man this kha'six Avinychus: kha'siz I have done more then u have done in the whole game Avinychus: stop being so toxic and spam f all the time Avinychus: dude gay is not wrong Avinychus: He used it like that Avinychus: kai'sa now .. nvm I wont talk to someone who hates me for no reason at all Avinychus: imagin being so lonly in real life and have no friends so that u have to be toxic in a video game bc your life sucks
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: Except that punishments don't work like that Sure, a premade may report you if they don't like you. But you won't get punished if you did nothing wrong. All reports just flag the game for review and if the system can't find any toxicity etc, you won't be punished I don't really understand the need for you to tell the enemy team what your team is calling you The automated system just picks up the trigger words, it doesn't know if you said it to someone or were just telling about someone saying it to you. Solution? Just don't say those words- Just mute the premade and report them when the game ends And how should the system be updated then? How can you make an automated system recognize context etc? There really isn't a need for that, just don't repeat toxic words etc and you'll be fine
> [{quoted}](name=Arcade Lulu,realm=EUNE,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=g7LwctzA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-22T11:57:03.119+0000) > > Except that punishments don't work like that > Sure, a premade may report you if they don't like you. But you won't get punished if you did nothing wrong. All reports just flag the game for review and if the system can't find any toxicity etc, you won't be punished > > I don't really understand the need for you to tell the enemy team what your team is calling you > The automated system just picks up the trigger words, it doesn't know if you said it to someone or were just telling about someone saying it to you. Solution? Just don't say those words- Just mute the premade and report them when the game ends Ye besides the game where I told those words was another game, and I muted the premade's and the only toxic thing I said was "tard" and then I get punished for that?... The system clearly needs to get updated...
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potchiker (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pXubEn2q,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-06-17T17:39:49.590+0000) > > Because streamers don't have the power to ban players. A streamer reported someone who **broke the rules** and Riot decided it was time to ban that person. wich rule?
> [{quoted}](name=potchiker,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pXubEn2q,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-06-17T20:33:24.198+0000) > > wich rule? The one where if you play to win and helping your team mates you get banned. - So be carefull that your team do not go afk, because then you will get punished :)
wildfox9T (EUW)
: >their cost is low and some of their items give 120 ap. 3600 g is low? also AD crit champs get a similar item for less gold {{item:3031}} >and a time watch that can be used every 120 secends + magic damage and armor! {{item:3026}} {{item:3140}} {{item:3812}} {{item:3053}} {{item:3046}} {{item:3155}} are way better and give permanent/low CD defense (except for GA but this item passive it's already OP,it coulnd't be on a low cd)
> [{quoted}](name=wildfox9T,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=L0wYFEYi,comment-id=000500010001,timestamp=2019-06-17T00:47:46.464+0000) > > 3600 g is low? > > also AD crit champs get a similar item for less gold {{item:3031}} > > {{item:3026}} {{item:3140}} {{item:3812}} {{item:3053}} {{item:3046}} {{item:3155}} are way better and give permanent/low CD defense (except for GA but this item passive it's already OP,it coulnd't be on a low cd) How the heck is gurdian angel better then Time watch? **Gurdian Angel(GOLD 2800)** +45 ad + 40 armor 1 revive (300s ) **Zhonya's Hourglass(GOLD 2900)** + 75 ap + 45 armor + 10% cdr untargetable (120s) - I was talking about bruisers and not adc items and I am talking about how much Magic damage is compered to normal. Even if you go with magic recist it does not matter if they buy Void Staff. You can watch some of Hashinshins videos if you still do not get what I mean, he comes in on good things about it(some are stupid but others are pretty true): https://youtu.be/gxNCxqWIdC0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6U4elsf8qM
: It could be fair if it worked like that but Riot loves to favor AD champions as always. {{item:3155}}
> [{quoted}](name=HP Crookshanks,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=L0wYFEYi,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-06-16T15:37:08.556+0000) > > It could be fair if it worked like that but Riot loves to favor AD champions as always. {{item:3155}} Have you even seen any ap items? their cost is low and some of their items give 120 ap..... and even +40% ap :-: and a time watch that can be used every 120 secends + magic damage and armor!
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: It should show up as N/A. I tried out Xerath when he was free about two weeks ago and just unlocked him, my highest grade as him doesn't show.
> [{quoted}](name=DancingDinos,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0ldAcFF6,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-17T22:29:17.504+0000) > > It should show up as N/A. I tried out Xerath when he was free about two weeks ago and just unlocked him, my highest grade as him doesn't show. Oh okay, thx for reply :)
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: Hey Avinychus, All Esports skins will be available for purchase during the 2019 Midseason Invitationals and for all future international Esports events (i.e. Worlds).
> [{quoted}](name=HeyItzSteve,realm=NA,application-id=okOuNvuT,discussion-id=lJEUK0Wy,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-16T19:25:02.635+0000) > > Hey Avinychus, > > All Esports skins will be available for purchase during the 2019 Midseason Invitationals and for all future international Esports events (i.e. Worlds). Okay thx for the reply :)
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: > [{quoted}](name=Avinychus,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vc9cGNEh,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-02-12T20:58:22.842+0000) > > If you mean early game Idk how you let him escape but yes in late game he can be kinda hard to cath but then again champions like Leona can just shut him down so hard- In late and early game. But again there are other champions that can run away maybe not at the same speed but still can escape like a yasuo when a minion wave comes xd A general rule of thumb when defending your champ: never use yasuo as a justification, you will earn negative points lol
> [{quoted}](name=kingDeDeDarius,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vc9cGNEh,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-02-13T15:37:51.852+0000) > > A general rule of thumb when defending your champ: never use yasuo as a justification, you will earn negative points lol XD
: His ability to instantly gain access to the healing from his passive just from using his W is kind of insane, as well as the amount it heals, but apart from that I feel as though he's perfectly fine.
> [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vc9cGNEh,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-12T19:19:23.154+0000) > > His ability to instantly gain access to the healing from his passive just from using his W is kind of insane, as well as the amount it heals, but apart from that I feel as though he's perfectly fine. Have you seen Sylas?...
: Short answer, kinda. His damage is alright for an assassin, but he needs a larger punish window. If he misses his E, he can just W away. If you catch him out in his W, he can E away. And even if you manage to catch him while both are on CD, all he needs to do is get into the Fog of War and he heals.
> [{quoted}](name=AnonymousPoro,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vc9cGNEh,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-12T19:18:38.855+0000) > > Short answer, kinda. His damage is alright for an assassin, but he needs a larger punish window. If he misses his E, he can just W away. If you catch him out in his W, he can E away. And even if you manage to catch him while both are on CD, all he needs to do is get into the Fog of War and he heals. If you mean early game Idk how you let him escape but yes in late game he can be kinda hard to cath but then again champions like Leona can just shut him down so hard- In late and early game. But again there are other champions that can run away maybe not at the same speed but still can escape like a yasuo when a minion wave comes xd
: > [{quoted}](name=Avinychus,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vc9cGNEh,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-02-12T20:27:52.584+0000) > > I think that people that gets killed by pykes ult does not know that how low they sometimes are... If you look after a fight at Champion damage then you can see that pyke have not done so much damage, and there are other support champions that deals more damage but they are only thinking that he's ult is broken because they see him get the kill and thinks that he deals so much damage. But Pyke can not deal so much damage alone as you may think. than how is pyke top and mid viable o.0
> [{quoted}](name=MasterLico,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vc9cGNEh,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T20:45:27.736+0000) > > than how is pyke top and mid viable o.0 Em have you tried to play Pyke top vs Darius or garen?.. And yes Pyke top and mid is also because of hes roaming and passive. BUT there is only a point where you can play Pyke agaist a pro top or mid. And also Pyke can mid and top because of he's combos, try buy a {{item:3077}} on pyke :D It's good. But if you fight agaist an AP in top or mid you will also get a hard time. :3
: yea. we do need more MR items. its sad that in my item builds, if i make a box for "armor" items. i can find tons of stuff to fit a champ to put in there, to use in so many different situations. but in the box i make for "magic resit" items... its like "hmmm... um.... yea.... well, not to many options here...."
> [{quoted}](name=keccak256,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=lgpb7YfT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-12T19:56:57.325+0000) > > yea. we do need more MR items. > > its sad that in my item builds, if i make a box for "armor" items. i can find tons of stuff to fit a champ to put in there, to use in so many different situations. > > but in the box i make for "magic resit" items... its like "hmmm... um.... yea.... well, not to many options here...." Feal ya
Alzon (NA)
: {{item:3111}} - All champions {{item:3140}} - All champions (situational) {{item:3028}} {{item:3174}} {{item:3222}} - Enchanters {{item:3155}} {{item:3156}} {{item:3139}} - AD (any type, primarily non-marksmen and non-juggernaut) {{item:3091}} - On-hit champions {{item:3065}} - Nearly anyone, only unviable if no possible source of healing exists for the buyer. Massively under-appreciated item, especially with the amount of sustain in runes. {{item:3194}} - Tanks and juggernauts, slightly situational {{item:3001}} - Tanks and low-range AP champions, mana champs only {{item:3102}} - high-range AP champions {{item:3190}} - Supports and tanks, Pyke excluded (ha) {{item:3512}} - Tanks and splitpushers {{item:3193}} - Tanks and some juggernauts {{item:1057}} - ANYONE. You can just sit on it, 100% gold-efficient. As Pyke, you could buy {{item:3155}} {{item:3111}} {{item:3065}}. Visage works very well with your passive.
If you buy {{item:3020}} it kinda slows down your roaming and maybe makes that 15 secends extreamly bad for you coming late. And yes if you buy the other things it might be good sometimes but if you fight a team with like 3 AP and 2 AD it's gonna be hard for you to get enough space like if you go for your build: {{item:3156}} {{item:3065}} {{item:3020}} and then a supp item. then you only have enough space for one more item where u normaly take {{item:3026}}. but when you play agaist AD then you can buy {{item:3110}} and still have alot of space left. - And yes you can always go for many defferint Magic Resist items but what do you do when their team also have strong AD champions.. Then somthing like {{item:3110}} {{item:3102}} would be op if you where using magic but AD Support champions have no use for the AP you get from {{item:3102}} - Just feal like they need a support item that can help Pyke, Braum and other champions like that.
: It's not that he is too powerful in itself, he has a good early and mid game. His late game isn't great and has to rely on cleanup duty or lucky picks. The issue is that punishing him is very difficult. You cannot reliably poke him down, and his mobility is very good. His ability to make plays has a buffer to also get out with another ability, and basically makes it so he can fish for success without a meaningful consequence unless he's forcing it. That's not to say his ultimate isn't exceptionally strong, it just isn't usually what defines the frustration fighting him. I am all for buffing his base hp and per level if the passive was nerfed -- or his Q charging a little faster for his W lasting even .5 seconds less.
> [{quoted}](name=Useless Jhin,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vc9cGNEh,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-02-12T20:15:10.687+0000) > > It's not that he is too powerful in itself, he has a good early and mid game. His late game isn't great and has to rely on cleanup duty or lucky picks. The issue is that punishing him is very difficult. You cannot reliably poke him down, and his mobility is very good. His ability to make plays has a buffer to also get out with another ability, and basically makes it so he can fish for success without a meaningful consequence unless he's forcing it. That's not to say his ultimate isn't exceptionally strong, it just isn't usually what defines the frustration fighting him. I am all for buffing his base hp and per level if the passive was nerfed -- or his Q charging a little faster for his W lasting even .5 seconds less. I think that if you nerf he's W he would be realy weak at roaming and helping the team. And yes it would be nice with he's Q charging faster so that people can not see where you put it but I think that would be too op for he's combos. And if we nerf he's passive then it's gonna get a bit hard to think if you wanna land your ult or not. Because of he's passive he can land he's ult and get out of the fight then come back in with another one if your team has damaged the other players.
m0zz4r3ll4 (EUNE)
: Yes, it is no difference from {{champion:122}} (Assuming Darius Ult would strike from range, ignore shields, dmg nearby enemy champions and grant double gold) Pyke is one of my favorite champs but he is overloaded to the core and everyone thinks it's ok because "hurr durr, he can't gain bonus hp"
> [{quoted}](name=m0zz4r3ll4,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vc9cGNEh,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-02-12T19:57:55.263+0000) > > Yes, it is no difference from {{champion:122}} (Assuming Darius Ult would strike from range, ignore shields, dmg nearby enemy champions and grant double gold) > Pyke is one of my favorite champs but he is overloaded to the core and everyone thinks it's ok because "hurr durr, he can't gain bonus hp" I think that people that gets killed by pykes ult does not know that how low they sometimes are... If you look after a fight at Champion damage then you can see that pyke have not done so much damage, and there are other support champions that deals more damage but they are only thinking that he's ult is broken because they see him get the kill and thinks that he deals so much damage. But Pyke can not deal so much damage alone as you may think.
: > [{quoted}](name=Avinychus,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vc9cGNEh,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-02-12T19:41:31.787+0000) > > that is why you have a support. well.. with his free ult recast. your supports probably dead too now. > Pyke now have a hard time just to stun people if they flash out people only get to flash 5 minutes. pyke gets to dash/stun every 15 sec with 0 cdr. with damage as it is, 1 stun and your probably dead, or low enough life for his ult to execute you with its very high threshold. which he has access to early game every 2 minutes with 0 cdr. what do you do for the 5 minutes your flash is on cooldown? not farm? (ps. dont take this as harsh. its not meant to be that way. its meant to try and answer your original question as why i think people feel pyke is so OP/annoying. i really dont think pyke is as OP as people think he is. i DO believe he needs his ult recast completely removed, his dash CC time reduced a little, and his execute threshold adjusted so that its not so high (or just get rid of the whole execute thing anyway, and make it flat damage. as i feel any "execute" is a "toxic mechanic")
> [{quoted}](name=keccak256,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vc9cGNEh,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T19:52:44.179+0000) > > well.. with his free ult recast. your supports probably dead too now. > > people only get to flash 5 minutes. pyke gets to dash/stun every 15 sec with 0 cdr. with damage as it is, 1 stun and your probably dead, or low enough life for his ult to execute you with its very high threshold. which he has access to early game every 2 minutes with 0 cdr. > > what do you do for the 5 minutes your flash is on cooldown? not farm? > > > (ps. dont take this as harsh. its not meant to be that way. its meant to try and answer your original question as why i think people feel pyke is so OP/annoying. i really dont think pyke is as OP as people think he is. i DO believe he needs his ult recast completely removed, his dash CC time reduced a little, and his execute threshold adjusted so that its not so high (or just get rid of the whole execute thing anyway, and make it flat damage. as i feel any "execute" is a "toxic mechanic") I do not take it harsh I am realy greatfull for you sharing your thought about it :D - And Idk why I said flash I ment Dash XD Champions like lucian is kinda hard to play agaist with a pyke because of he's dash and also playing agaist Champions like Leona because she can stun pyke for so long. There are also many other champions that can kill you realy fast under tower like: {{champion:63}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:143}} This is only some but there are also many others that is not Supp/adc like Garen or Darius.
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: in early game. when everyone is squishy. and "counter building a stop watch/zonyas/ga" isn't an option. his threshold for his execute is too high. you should be able to farm with at least some saftey from the back side of your turret with 50% health. while you wait for some lifesteal/potion/health regen/heals to get you back and ready to play the game of farm and poke. but with pyke? nope. he can just flash in, ulti you at 50% health. and dash out. (or dash in, ulti, dash out) a bit too quickly. and the number of adc in game that can bring you from 100% life to 35-50% with 1 ability + AA, or 2x AA, is a bit too high, with range long enough to keep you zoned from every getting a single minion, is a bit to high. its just obnoxious. what are you supposed to do? not farm except for when enemy has backed? kill 1-3 minons, then back so you dont risk dying? farm, die to pyke ult, then know you have only till his ult cd is up to farm again? this is an unrealistic expectation. also. at any point in the game, him and other champs with execute ults that can be recast over and over and over, its just a unhealthy mechanic period. no matter what champ its on. in trade, for this, he cant build health. and is squishy. but he has enough mobility where its not that big of a deal. i've played pyke a little. and once you do, you are much less scared of him in some ways, since you realize just exactly how absurdly squishy he is. but you also learn how absurdly powerful/abusable he is too against the plethora of players that dont understand that or even against the ones that do, in any team fight situation. people dont enjoy super high damage in the game. they dont enjoy going 100-0 in the blink of an eye ALLL THE TIME. it makes them feel useless, and de-values the importance of skill. (i know, on another hand it makes skill so much more important in some ways. but really, skill plays a bigger factor when everyones not instantly erased so quickly.)
Ye you have a nice point and also I agree to most of it. No one likes to see their health bar just drop out but I will not say that pykes ult damage that much and also that is why you have a support. And in 9.3 when they made some of the ADC items different Pyke now have a hard time just to stun people if they flash out and attack you because they do so much damage now. And if you ask me he's ult is Great and all but there is many ways you can outplay a Pyke with hes ult :P
: First of all, healing.He can regen almost half of his health level three just by using w. 2.ganks. He can gank lanes extremely fast with w plus mobility boots so you basically have to be on guard immediately when he gets level 3 wich is when he gets w. 3.Ult can turn the tide on teamfights as it is ranged execute that can reset and does significant amounts of damage ect.
1. True but only if he get's away from you and also if he did not have that healing he could not stay in lane. 2. True but still no match for Hecarim and Rammus. 3. Yes that is one of the reasons they nerfed it but if you play agaist players that knows how to play agaist a Pyke it is realy hard to use your ult, and that is why some pyke players use it as a wave clear. Like there is many ways to stop it as I typed c:
: I think it's too hard to punish a decent Pyke. His W and E mana costs are very very low, providing insane mobility and he regens HP like no other, considering almost no other bot lane champion can do that. For once, too much lane sustain. He also has a snowbally nature because of his kit and his all in is too powerful unless he is fighting a really tanky CC support like {{champion:12}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:201}}. The champion is fine, but one misstep after he hits 6 and the whole game could be over.
Yes but if you think about it every champion is powerful agaist some others, pyke still have alot of weaknesses like if he does not hit he's R or someone heals right before you hit it then you can be placed in a very bad place. And also Pyke is realy weak agaist Magic users. He also have a hard time agaist champions like Zyra because she can stop him from moving and when he moves he get's attacked by her plants.
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