: I am silver 2 trash. Why in the heck am I always against high golds, plats, and sometimes diamond?
Probably because the low elo for-fun casuals are quitting, only the competitive people that are too invested in the game to drop it still play it, and there's rather few new players, since everyone and their mother already know what League is, there's no one left to whom it would be a newfound thing.
Zeyphel (NA)
: What about a 41% WinRate Mid? Do you still consider that meaningless? 41% Winrate and keeps going down. It was 42% Winrate Mid before.
> [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Yq275Ypu,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-16T08:51:56.228+0000) > > Well, no point in arguing anymore. By now he's dropped down to 42% win rate, so I guess you were right on him being gutted, I just didn't know it took League of Graph's stats half a week to adjust to a new patch.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Yq275Ypu,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T22:21:04.278+0000) > > First off, it takes literally two clicks to check other elos, and second, when he's picked every 4th game and banned every 3rd game, that 48% becomes almost meaningless. People ban him because they dont want to deal with him. Its like Yasuo.
Well, no point in arguing anymore. By now he's dropped down to 42% win rate, so I guess you were right on him being gutted, I just didn't know it took League of Graph's stats half a week to adjust to a new patch.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Yq275Ypu,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T17:12:15.225+0000) > > Well, first off, Riot don't give a shit about their boards, and second: https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/sylas/master Oh wow, masters, wow. Do you understand there are more divisions and ranks than masters? Also 48% for a champ like him is terrible.
First off, it takes literally two clicks to check other elos, and second, when he's picked every 4th game and banned every 3rd game, that 48% becomes almost meaningless.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Yq275Ypu,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T06:49:04.961+0000) > > Care to elaborate? Hes practically a troll pick due to how badly the boards wanted him nerfed.
Well, first off, Riot don't give a shit about their boards, and second: https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/sylas/master
: > [{quoted}](name=Chembaron Yamada,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Yq275Ypu,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-06-14T16:17:07.585+0000) > > Something can be OP, even if it has counters. > Rammus always hard countered Urgot, he was still pretty busted for quite some time. I was mocking the fact they were making it very overblown like they usually do. Shit ends up become grounds for a champ to end up like our poor friend Sylas here.
> [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Yq275Ypu,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T19:04:17.023+0000) > > like our poor friend Sylas here. Care to elaborate?
YaraUwU (NA)
: For you no there is no benefit to reconnecting to the match after you have been gone to long. If your gonna be selfish the optimal thing would be to stay gone and have the game end faster so you can play the next match. Is that the right thing to do? no not really but it is the optimal thing to do if your only worried about yourself which shows how flawed it is.
"It's morally right" is hardly enough of a motivator, when the people you'd be doing a favor would in the majority of cases show no appreciation for your efforts at best and flame and/or report you at worst. Or ever, really.
: Get up, come on get down with the thiccness Get up, come on get down with the thiccness Get up, come on get down with the thiccness Open up your UwU, and let it flow into me Get up, come on get down with the thiccness You mother get up come on get down with the thiccness You hugger get up come on get down with the thiccness Madness is the gift, that has been given to me ######This post is about burning out on thick hips and thighs, aye?
> [{quoted}](name=Glaricion,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=BhZeKx5M,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-13T13:28:17.058+0000) > > ######This post is about burning out on thick hips and thighs, aye? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo
: What's up w/ Yasuo mains (among others) liking their mains being perma banned? "lol katana man bad" "just learn to play" "oh this XXXX again" etc... If Lulu, Nami, or Karma were to be sporting a >20% ban rate I'd be pleading with Riot to rebalance them even if I thought they were actually UP.
It's not that they like having their champion be permabanned. It just so happens that the things they like about the champion are also the things that make others permaban them.
: Pyke is alright, Kayn is hilariously cringey teen-angst too.........don't be bias xD Seriously though, I'm shocked people are upset over something edgy? The community always seems to lean more towards dark and edgy stuff........maybe the _female _ teen thing is why ppl don't like Qiyana's edgy stuff vs. other edgy stuff in league. Anywho, I think she's supposed to be a bit of a contradiction, and I like that. It's a mixture of cute and annoying. Even her first emote.....she's literally trying to be bad-ass and keeps screwing it up. She's not supposed to be taken as seriously as she wants to be, that's part of what I think they were going for with her. Nevertheless, something tells me that after a few cute champs, we're going to go back to dark brooding and emo-edgy with the marksman coming up next - so perhaps people will be happy. It'll probably be male too, which will mean less complaints about personality and more acceptance for being edgy - unless they pull another Ezreal out of their hat. Oh boy, I'd actually grab some popcorn and enjoy the forums if they did that......lolol.
> [{quoted}](name=xox BaByDoLL xox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pEtsQd5c,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-06-12T07:12:29.318+0000) > > maybe the _female _ teen thing is why ppl don't like Qiyana's edgy stuff vs. other edgy stuff in league Definitely not. Xayah got none of these complaints.
: Last arcade skins we're all AP, so I don't see a problem with them all being AD this time. Arcade champion roster just looks like a secondary anime protagonist skin line though
> [{quoted}](name=Daddy Issues,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=P16MqV7L,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-11T18:36:21.800+0000) > > I don't see a problem with them all being AD this time. This has nothing to do with AP or AD. The problem is that they're pumping out skins for the really popular champions, while there's plenty not so popular champions that haven't gotten skins in ages, some of which being much better fits for this theme.
: A post on hot needs to be taken down
> [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=7BNeefLr,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-11T15:28:17.359+0000) > > this post is homophobia bait It isn't inciting hate towards the gays. If it's inciting any hate, it's towards the company that's using gay folks for PR.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=p11Iblfu,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-10T19:11:29.853+0000) > > You know it's bad when people aren't listed yasuo first anymore yasuo never belonged on the list, boards are just usually fucking stupid.
https://i.ibb.co/6Y8TjTZ/wheeze1.png > [{quoted}](name=Grimspeake,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=p11Iblfu,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-10T18:40:58.611+0000) > > yummi, aatrox > infinite mobility https://i.ibb.co/TwzLDQ7/wheeze2.png > [{quoted}](name=Grimspeake,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=p11Iblfu,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-10T20:05:25.982+0000) > > stop giving infinite mobility > yasuo never belonged on the list > > boards are stupid https://i.ibb.co/NxDsSCy/going-beyond.png
: inb4 Irelia gets akali'd because boards circlejerk about mobile champs
> [{quoted}](name=Smurfraka,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nJXpKRZw,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-06-11T02:39:34.154+0000) > > because boards circlejerk Implying Riot care about the boards Implying Akali wasn't/isn't bonkers in high elo Also nice "boards is a circlejerk" circlejerk
: Irelia has floating blades? Truth is she should've had more auto attack ranged lmao Like 250.
She should've been a fullblown ranged champion. What sense does it make to be in someone's face to swing your blades at them, when your blades float? Might as well use a regular sword at that point. Currently she's a telekinetic blade wielder in name only.
KazKaz (OCE)
: Itemization for the first three: **GO LICH BANE AND STACK MAGIC PEN** Itemization for Kat: **GO GUNBLADE AND STACK MAGIC PEN** Wow, nice diversity in itemization!
Same also goes for AD though. Itemization for laning AD assassins: Duskblade > Youmuu > Cleaver > LDR Itemization for jungling AD assassins: Warrior > Duskblade > Youmuu > Cleaver > LDR
: i've never had a problem with lux. the thing with lux is her numbers are over-tuned obviously but if they weren't she'd be completely useless as she is a highly telegraphed skillshot mage and therefore will happen to be near completely useless unless she is rewarded massively for landing her stuff. and lets be honest while yasuo exists in his current state you can't with a straight face say lux needs to be nerfed. there are far too many champions atm who make her look like a joke. why do you think lux keeps being buffed nonstop? its because at the end of the day if 100% of all your damage can be merely sidestepped then you will never be a truly good champ. because at the end of the day pro's will stick to what actually wins them games and is reliable when moneys on the stake. that is why you will never see lux in the really valuable pro matches. if mage is a needed it'll be someone busted like Viktor or Cassiopeia or orianna even. and these are the players who can stand still and dodge incoming enemy skillshots without trying. these players basically show you why lux will never be truly viable. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU CAN LITERALLY NEGATE 100% of her damage. AND THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE A PURE SKILLSHOT CHAMP LIKE LUX WORK IN TODAYS HYPER MOBILE ENVIROMENT IS THROUGH BUSTED NUMBERS.
> [{quoted}](name=On My Kill List,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uRjKIyUl,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-06-10T11:49:56.100+0000) > > you can dodge her shit, therefore she's always balanced By that logic, she could have her ult be a global 0 cost 5 second cooldown 100% max hp true damage nuke and she still wouldn't deserve a nerf. You can't just assume that everything dodgeable will be dodged. Every skillshot hits once in a while. And it isn't just the bad players getting hit - Lux has a 20% pick rate in Master+.
: > [{quoted}](name=StonePlatypus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=x419E12T,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-06-08T23:56:23.670+0000) > > I'm so sick of the "went to the void and came back unscathed" argument. > > Kai'sa is top tier. > > Her mind is strong. > > Maybe YOUR mind might get crushed by the void, but she is a LEGEND. > > The game is called League of LEGENDS. > > There has to be one (or more) characters that can handle the void. > > Traumatic events and terrible things do happen. > > There are those who crumple like paper, and there are those who are tempered by adversity. > > :P Just because you think (and are wrong) that everyone should be broken beyond repair doesn't mean your opinion is worth anything. > > My guess is you have a major turn on for the void and are angry that it didn't swallow and spit her up. > > Or maybe you don't look further into characters or their nuances. > > Either way your opinion is a dime a dozen, and I feel quite incorrect. > > Haven't looked at the new champion yet, but by your gross miss representation of Kai'sa I'd have to assume she's amazing since you seem to be the most kind of wrong. > > But hey, let's not get hurt feelings over anything. This is just a video game after all, just stating my opinion here too. (though I am right) Sure, a regular eleven years old trapped out of the sunlight for 10 years, ALONE, witnesses everybody she knew and loves being devoured or crushed, gets a ravenous void symbiote growing as her skin, is perpetually hunted by alien abominations... .... and she suffers *literally* zero psychological AND physiological consequences... "because she stronk, top tier". Such a believable justification, now everything is explained. Silly me to ask why... I don't know man, to me that's objectively trash tier character building. Completely unrealistic, no connection between a character and her past. It doesn't get much more amateurish than that. It's the same level you would expect from a 13 years old kid's fan fiction. I mean, do you actually know what 10 years of isolation ALONE can do to the human mind? Shouldn't we at least take it into consideration? But if you want to keep thinking you're right that's fine.
I'd like to add to this by pointing out how even Aurelion Sol, this borderline god that can casually craft entire galaxies, is scared of what is in the Void. It's supposed to be a dire threat looming over Runeterra that has not yet caught most people's attention. And yet this random girl can just put on some prickly suit and proceed to practically live in this oh so horrible place.
: Yess! Wow y'all exist. I don't know why everyone thinks Jhin is so unique, he's literally the artistic serial killer stereotype. Very well executed, yeah, but no one seems to address that. We have no spoiled brats on the League roster right now, welcome Qiyana!
> [{quoted}](name=Rashlasher,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=rNWv0jhQ,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-06-09T03:06:36.376+0000) > > I don't know why everyone thinks Jhin is so unique, he's literally the artistic serial killer stereotype. > We have no spoiled brats on the League roster right now The same reason you express support for Qiyana for applies to Jhin, and your grievance with Jhin applies to Qiyana just as well. I feel you failed to pinpoint the actual reasons why you like one but not the other. > Very well executed, yeah, but no one seems to address that. Why address something that's well done? I'd say the execution matters more than the idea.
: You thought my magic evil!
{{champion:99}} We can do this! We can do this! We can do this! Stay positive! We can do this! ######2/15/3
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LOjLdb88,comment-id=00020000000000010000000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-07T13:54:01.370+0000) > > But unlike Teemo she is allowed to do that on demand and in combat. So? Shes an assassin.
And what does that have to do with Teemo being revealed by true sight and Alkali not? I could see your first reply still being on-topic if you were going to make a "one is stronger than the other" argument. But her being an assassin? How is that relevant?
KazKaz (OCE)
: You could pink ward Akali's shroud pre-assassin update.
But she was still revealed by things like a Lee Q/E, wasn't she? And she certainly didn't remain stealthed under turrets.
Leetri (EUW)
: Because you can still see her shroud, so you know the general area she's in. Teemo can be literally anywhere on the map except underneath an enemy tower. Make her shroud completely invisible to the other team with infinite duration, then yeah sure make her revealed by True Sight.
But if he stealths in just any random spot on the map, that doesn't accomplish anything. Meanwhile, Akali can go in and out of stealth in combat, hitting people while they're unable to hit her back.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LOjLdb88,comment-id=000200000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-07T11:05:17.797+0000) > > You seem to have missed my point. I'm saying if Akali deserves to be immune to true sight because her stealth requires her to stay in one place, why doesn't Teemo, despite him also needing to stay completely still or be inside a bush? > > Agreed. Because teemo can stealth anywhere with no indication. Akali is only allowed stealth inside a telegraphed area.
But unlike Teemo she is allowed to do that on demand and in combat.
: Are you telling me that Yuumi is your perma ban? I see this argument tossed around a lot about ally picks getting banned. 'Oh, it's a popular pick and my ally wants it, but they aren't first pick; so, best to ban it so the enemy does not pick it.' But, usually, the player banning the champion is just doing it out of sheer spite against their own ally and deploys that line of reasoning as a hollow excuse.
> [{quoted}](name=Chocolate Frost,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PkVAmmOI,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-06-07T10:03:21.171+0000) > > usually, the player banning the champion is just doing it out of sheer spite against their own ally and deploys that line of reasoning as a hollow excuse. But why would they want to spite an ally before even having had the chance to interact with them? I find it more likely that line of reasoning is legit.
: This is the same case with support singed; you're playing support in an entirely different way by forcing your adc to solo lane. I think you have to communicate with your team and ask for approval before playing support like that, because that is what got support singed banned iirc
> [{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PkVAmmOI,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-07T07:09:34.438+0000) > > I think you have to communicate with your team Makes sense > and ask for approval But this I disagree with. You should let your team know beforehand if you're going to play in a non-traditional way, so that they can plan ahead and play around you doing that. But you shouldn't be forced to please them. Because following that line of thinking, it would be okay for 4-man premades to boss around whatever random 5th mate is unfortunate enough to be matched with them.
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LOjLdb88,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-07T09:48:20.112+0000) > > Fair point, but shouldn't this also apply to Teemo? True Sight effects do reveal Teemo. True Stealth shouldn't exist as a whole, True Sight is meant to be the counterplay. Akali needs to lose the true stealth and be re-balanced around it not existing.
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LOjLdb88,comment-id=00020000000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-07T10:06:36.564+0000) > > True Sight effects do reveal Teemo. You seem to have missed my point. I'm saying if Akali deserves to be immune to true sight because her stealth requires her to stay in one place, why doesn't Teemo, despite him also needing to stay completely still or be inside a bush? > True Stealth shouldn't exist as a whole, True Sight is meant to be the counterplay. > > Akali needs to lose the true stealth and be re-balanced around it not existing. Agreed.
KazKaz (OCE)
: Revert the assassin update, it was a mistake.
That's not what gave Akali this shroud though
: Because her stealth is in a confined area that you know the exact location of. Every other champion's stealth in the game allows them free movement with it. Akali's does not.
Fair point, but shouldn't this also apply to Teemo?
: I know she only just got revealed, but the design of her weapon looks stolen wholesale from Tira of Soulcalibur. Here's an image for comparison. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/soulcalibur/images/0/0d/SC6_Tira.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180821102334 Then we look at Qiyana. https://cdn.upcomer.com/esports/__sized__/content/4234-qiyana-crop-c0-5__0-5-780x312.png It's just that since I've played all the Soulcalibur games, and seen Tira in action many times, I can't help but notice the similarity. I'm sure as more gets revealed about Qiyana the similarities will lessen, but as it currently stands, well... yeah.
Maybe you could consider it a possibility that Qiyana is partially inspired by Tira, but there's certainly not enough similarity to say "stolen". Just at first glance you can already tell that Tira has some undead thing going on, and her outfit and face tell you she's more than eager to have a good fight, while Qiyana controls elements and looks more like a sassy royalty that won't get too direct with combat as to not get her hands dirty, like she was better than that. Their gender and weapons are the only things they clearly have in common.
: > [{quoted}](name=Kelg,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=GzJwvnWE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-06T22:44:33.742+0000) > > I like how my brother described Sylas: "Dude in jeans" > > And yeah Kayle's redesign is tragic, old one was much better. LMAO, I like to refer to Sylas as "homeless yasuo"
Isn't Yasuo himself technically homeless?
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d4RtvMQp10 edit im mad my dumb ass started reading it and go confused on why Sagittarius was there 3 times and then realizes this is probably gibberish...
> [{quoted}](name=OtakuBurrito,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vxO76jkZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-06T14:24:20.753+0000) > > this is probably gibberish... Actually it's: > We're reverting Amumu's passive buff from 9.8. Choosing this line specifically because too much of his strength is tied up in his passive and we want to keep the rest of his abilities feeling strong.
Theorex (NA)
: What was the reason behind keeping Ryze's R?
Didn't they make it so you now need a team mate for his ult to work? From that it doesn't really seem like they care about solo queue even in the slightest.
FSRER (EUNE)
: They can't even do the simplest thing of adding or reducing damage correctly. Biggest example? Nidalle does 113% damage while her biggest damaging ability (Q) deals more damage based on how far away you are from her and in aram, that means far. And everyone who plays aram will have noticed that she will just 2 shot you early mid and late game and except if you have enough healing like having garen or mundo or warmogs, that is game winning without her even needing to go in. Why does she do that much dmg?
The spear is easy as shit to dodge though, and she doesn't have much else going for her, so as a consequence her win rate is not exactly impressive. If that's all Riot look at, it makes sense to help her out. Not that they should look at only that though, nor is this the right way to help out.
Sir Gusi (EUW)
: What's your most hated champs to play against
Zed, Yasuo and Draven. Not just because I find them annoying to face in and of themselves, but also in huge part because of just how damn often I've happened to lane against them compared to anything else. Somehow manage to evade Ezreal and Kai'sa though, despite them supposedly being picked every 3rd match. As for champions I play alongside, none really bother me. You could go 4 Zeal Ivern on me for all I care, as long as you don't deliberately try to piss me off.
: I'd rather stick with a Dmg meta, then go back to a Tank meta.
Here's one hella radical idea: how about neither?
: I mage bot when I get it...... so do MANY. Some play Yasuo too.
2 champions in the 'ADC' position each match, so all picks combined should have a 200% pick rate. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/adc Here we see standard ADCs having a combined pick rate of about 193%, so that's a mere 7% left, split up among all those mage and Yasuo picks and whatever else. Personally, I don't think that's enough to say "so do MANY".
: But this is impossible! According to the boards, you simply can't win a game without a marksman bot lane, they are "absolutely required", unlike any other class! /s
So because there's one exception, the rule no longer applies at all?
KazKaz (OCE)
: >Not outright, but......this does sound a lot like it. No, that's just me stating the obvious. She can be a lot worse than mages and other assassins, but that doesn't mean she's "bad", it just means that she's balanced when compared to them. Fuck buffing Kat, nerf all of the other troublemakers instead. Buffing Kat won't solve the problem. >How is Katarina special in this regard? Couldn't you say the same about the vast majority of champions? And does she need to kill people even when the player is less skilled than their target? Her dagger mechanic. 'Nuff said. >The longest out of what? Because if we just look at all champions and their time to kill, pretty much every support and tank could be named here, most bruisers, many mages, ADCs depending on how far behind or ahead in gold they are... in short, quite a lot of champions. This is why I assumed you meant longest time to kill out of assassins, because hers so obviously not the longest in the entire game. Actually, since most supports are mage supports or Pyke she still has a really long time to kill in comparison. As for tanks, I can somewhat agree, except for the fact that a lot of tanks actually have more upfront burst than she has (although she has more overall damage). Mages, no, I disagree with that, their time to kill is really low, and every mage applies to this outside of Sylas. As for bruisers.....hahaha...ha...Spear of Shojin and they go full AD, nice meme. Kat's time to kill is technically the longest in the game, it's just that if her opponent is stupid it's significantly lower. >So, is this the problem, that she's fair? Maybe most other assassins can be considered unfair, but that doesn't mean Kat should be. It means those other assassins need to be made fair. Thank you for agreeing with me, nerf the champs who are considered unfair, or rework them again until they're fair. >But build homogeneity isn't something that belongs in a discussion on specifically Katarina, as it is a problem for everyone, not just specifically her. Only the part about Gunblade and how it makes or breaks her is really relevant. It's just pretty bad when it comes to Kat since you NEED Gunblade, that was my main point. I just wanted to remind everyone that build diversity is pretty much dead at this point and it should be looked into. Remove Gunblade at this point tbh.
I still disagree on her time-to-kill being _that_ bad, but glad I was wrong on my initial assumption of a senseless Kat circlejerk going on here. And sorry for the smugness I started out with, a god-awful habit of mine.
: gives way too much sustain with dark seal so i'm fine with that
How about removing Dark Seal's regen buff instead? It makes no sense to have a safety net on a snowballing/high risk high reward item anyway. People buy it more for how good it is at removing risk than for the reward you get for supposedly risking.
: I mean, the idea of the item was that you use it for the damage in early trades, not to be able to tick a potion for 5 straight mins
Why would you pick a potion for damage when Doran's Ring/Blade exist?
KazKaz (OCE)
: I never said she was bad lmao, I'm just saying she has the longest time to kill and people who die to her are worse than the Kat player in terms of skill. That same logic can be applied to any rank, thus proving my argument. As such, name one champion other than Kat that has the longest time to kill in the game. Kat does have resets yes, but she also has delays, thus making her fair overall. As for the Gunblade side of things, if you read my comment I stated that all builds are homogenous for the most part right now. That doesn't detract from the fact that Gunblade is a disgusting item that needs to be removed from the game.
> [{quoted}](name=KazKaz,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EPw0Gzy0,comment-id=000c000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-31T08:12:00.057+0000) > > I never said she was bad Not outright, but... > Her rework is honestly quite fun and I've grown to love it, and yet...it pales in comparison to other assassins and champions for the matter in a balance related scenario. Mages are better than Kat, as are your typical assassins. ...this does sound a lot like it. > people who die to her are worse than the Kat player in terms of skill. How is Katarina special in this regard? Couldn't you say the same about the vast majority of champions? And does she need to kill people even when the player is less skilled than their target? > name one champion other than Kat that has the longest time to kill in the game. The longest out of what? Because if we just look at all champions and their time to kill, pretty much every support and tank could be named here, most bruisers, many mages, ADCs depending on how far behind or ahead in gold they are... in short, quite a lot of champions. This is why I assumed you meant longest time to kill out of assassins, because hers so obviously not the longest in the entire game. > Kat does have resets yes, but she also has delays, thus making her fair overall. So, is this the problem, that she's fair? Maybe most other assassins can be considered unfair, but that doesn't mean Kat should be. It means those other assassins need to be made fair. > I stated that all builds are homogenous for the most part right now. That doesn't detract from the fact that Gunblade is a disgusting item that needs to be removed from the game. But build homogeneity isn't something that belongs in a discussion on specifically Katarina, as it is a problem for everyone, not just specifically her. Only the part about Gunblade and how it makes or breaks her is really relevant.
KazKaz (OCE)
: She has the longest time to kill of any champ in the game unless you walk over her Q dagger. If you die to a Kat then you made more than 3 mistakes over those 2-3 seconds.
> [{quoted}](name=KazKaz,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EPw0Gzy0,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2019-05-31T06:43:18.965+0000) > > She has the longest time to kill of any champ in the game Laughably incorrect and you cannot possibly be dumb enough to not see that. But I'll give you the benefit of assuming that with "any champ" you mean other assassins. Though in that case, you're still ignoring how other assassins don't have resets on kill or anywhere near as much AoE damage. And another thing you're ignoring when you say: > If you die to a Kat then you made more than 3 mistakes over those 2-3 seconds. is her solid performance in Master+. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/katarina/master I guess that must simply mean that even the best of the best suck ass at the game. Or maybe she actually isn't as bad as you're making her out to be. Wonder which is more likely. I agree though about Gunblade being too important to her, despite how bad it is on practically every other champion. But not having a choice in what items to build is a problem that way more champions are affected by than not, it's not something exclusive to Kat.
: > [{quoted}](name=ChrisBrownze,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V6MzeMOi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-28T03:41:14.502+0000) > > Where are you getting this data from? Just checked champion.gg plat+. Nobody matches this description. I stopped using champion.gg since their source data seems to be limited and their stats consistently prove to be highly subject to really vague interpretation. Not saying lolalytics is perfect either but they seem to be at least more consistent with their information.
lolalytics seems to inflate winrates though. I think when you filter out any ranks, the stats still include games where there were players of those filtered out ranks, it just checks whether there was someone of a not filtered out elo playing the champion whose stats you're checking. So when you have some low plat guy stomping an unfortunate low gold dude, that game is included when you look at plat+.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=J3cjgEAo,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-27T12:28:06.573+0000) > > From what I've seen seasons 4 and 5 seem to get the most praise Get the most praise **now** When we were playing on those seasons everyone still complained
People will complain for as long as things aren't perfect, and things forever will be imperfect. But that doesn't mean there can't be bests or favourites
: > [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=J3cjgEAo,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-05-27T10:28:21.266+0000) > > I didn't say anything about balance though, but about snowballing/stomping S3 had more snowball than the current meta and some ppl remind it as the best season eva! (not me for sure)
From what I've seen seasons 4 and 5 seem to get the most praise
: > [{quoted}](name=LetMeAfkPlss,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=J3cjgEAo,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-26T23:27:41.520+0000) > > unpopular (kinda popular) fact: > > people don't care about getting stomped they just want to play their role Sorry but too much ppl want to play the same roles since ones are more appealing than others. Autofill exists because there are too many players that want to play the most impactful role in the game which also has the most edgy assasins aka Midlane. Sorry, you all cant play it at the same time.
I didn't say anything about balance though, but about snowballing/stomping
: You are so damm right, lets be real: being more or less coinflip is in the nature of the game on all stages of the game. That's why even Caps ha aterrible game against TL in which he ints with Corki and then stomp them on the finals As the same way that you sometimes get stomped and outclassed in lane being a liability for your team all the game and on the next match you hard carry being the same player just 1 hour after being useless on a game.
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=J3cjgEAo,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-26T23:21:34.931+0000) > > being more or less coinflip is in the nature of the game Only in its current state. It wasn't always this bad.
: He's probably helping your team more by afking and not feeding than he would be by going back to run it down mid
He'd help the team more by doing neither
: well first of all you edited your quote so try quoting the correct thing. Second of all, Sexism is a huge problem in the NA but you wouldn't know that. And it yes it does exist in every community. But more so in toxic pvp communities. And Yes I have a voice. I'm allowed to use it. And I don't care for you wanting to silence someones opinion. Done with this topic. Good bye.
Maybe do stick around for at least this one last reply. Particularly the part after the last quote. > [{quoted}](name=GreenTeaAndPoro,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=sOQwLMkB,comment-id=00030000000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-25T22:31:42.041+0000) > > well first of all you edited your quote so try quoting the correct thing. Don't pretend that wasn't accurate. You literally equated fat shaming to murder. I don't know if you're taking bad words way too seriously, or not taking murder seriously enough, but either way, that's ridiculous. > Second of all, Sexism is a huge problem in the NA but you wouldn't know that. I'm actually aware of a lot of the issues you have going on over there - your "toxic masculinity", "man-spreading", the lack of attention to the disproportionate male suicides, "man-splaining", the ~~average earnings gap~~ _pay gap_ , "the male gaze", the bias in favor of women in court... It seems people there really don't like men. > more so in toxic pvp communities. People that are toxic don't actually give a shit about your gender, they'll just insult you in whatever way gets a reaction. And if making fun of a girl frequently proves to get a reaction out of her, they'll want to do more of exactly that. That's not sexism, that's just simple douchebaggery. > And Yes I have a voice. I'm allowed to use it. And I don't care for you wanting to silence someones opinion. I have actually no idea where this came from. I'm not trying to silence you. I'm trying to tell you you're full of shit. I recommend getting off Buzzfeed, CNN, Tumblr or whatever it is you view. Check other places too. Get some variance in the perspectives you take. Look deeper into the things you currently believe. Because you desperately need to, as is evident by how most of what you've posted in this thread is just regurgitated rhetoric. Though then again, it's also evident from how you treat "fat shaming" and how you want to run away from this little conversation that you can't stand even the mildest discomfort. So I can't say I expect you to change, as that is hard, and therefore uncomfortable. Nor is some anonymous shitposter going to suddenly convince you of anything with his smug. But as irrational it may be, I'll hope. Maybe this tiny push gets something going.
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