Atanchan (NA)
: It's sexist to assume that this matters and act on it. Like, let's say someone's lift is 3054lb and a 3051lb. One is unambiguously stronger than the other, no? But it'd be absurd to section off the latter from competing with the former, even if it's caused entirely by genetics, because the difference is completely insignificant. Not to mention that the entire "men are naturally stronger than women" is based entirely on research of a world heavily impacted by sexism in the first place, so it's pretty useless.
> Like, let's say someone's lift is 3054lb and a 3051lb. One is unambiguously stronger than the other, no? But it'd be absurd to section off the latter from competing with the former, even if it's caused entirely by genetics, because the difference is completely insignificant. Strength differences between sexes are way more extreme than that in the real world. See this article: http://jap.physiology.org/content/83/5/1581.full for data showing even the strongest women are weaker than the average man. > Not to mention that the entire "men are naturally stronger than women" is based entirely on research of a world heavily impacted by sexism in the first place, so it's pretty useless. So you're saying that the biology was formed by culture and not the other way around? The female mantis being larger and stronger than the male mantis is entirely based on mantis culture?
Atanchan (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Blood Magicks,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=UEmdhvyO,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-11-18T18:01:23.951+0000) > > **Hence men, being far stronger on average, could subdue and control women for centuries** On one hand, this where the argument pretty much falls apart, but on the other, the fact that this appears in an argument that tries not to be sexist really kinda builds it back up. Shame a population for trying to be physically strong and fit, and of course they're going to be "weaker on average" because the average _isn't going to want to deal with that social pressure._ So while the actual difference in strength can't be the reason, the _perceived_ difference in strength could propagate the sexism further. As we see in this very post.
If sexual dimorphism in Runeterra is anything like in our world, and judging by character heights and weights it is, peak female strength will never be as much as peak male strength, assuming same training and diet. I don't think it's sexist to state that, but feel free to convince me.
Nylisa (EUW)
: Yes even in Quinn story update where Lestara was mentioned there were no indicatoins or talks about her role as a leader.but i think it could be evidence enough that she does play a role in Demacia.
Demacia isn't as bad as Saudi Arabia say, reading Lux lore it seems that Luxanna was trained to manage the family's estates which is quite important. Women are better off than in most medieval countries but still not equal. I wonder if Riot will take this further and tip the scales so it turns out women have a slightly higher chance of being born with a talent for magic. That will make Demacia trusting them with wealth, but not power, slightly more justified.
Nylisa (EUW)
: very interesting analogy.what are your thoughts on Lestara Buvelle since she is still head of one of the families, i mean we hear no mention of her husband anywhere so i assume its safe to say she is the leader? or Vayne , considering they are females and they are still head of their families. for others information, prior to Demacia update (it could still be canon) the power houses of Demacia were : Laurent , Buvelle , Crownguard , Lightshield , Spiritmight and Vayne which they pretty much run Demacia.
It's quite confusing because the story involving Lestara was pre-retcon so we don't know how valid it is. It's part of the old lore, and in the old lore Noxus was the sexist faction (if I recall correctly, Katarina's old description had some clues regarding that). If we were to move this to current lore I would expect Lestara to be a one-off powerful woman or a widow.
: (Quick correction it's petricite.) Yes I do think that Demacia is sexist in its views. Furthermore the idea that it is because of the lack of magic hadn't even crosses my mind and while I was loath to believe that at first I think I am coming to agree. Another Demacian gal we tend to forget about a lot is Quinn. In Quinn's lore she wanted to be a part of Demacia's military force but was always assumed to fail because she was a weak woman. Quinn had to prove herself twice as much as her male counterparts to even be accepted into the elite group. This again leads to the idea that the physical is what is important to them when it comes to social standing. This bit is a very small part of it, but one if the only other female leadership roles you see in Demacia is in Lux's story with the woman that ran the Lightbringers in that town. Now if I'm getting this correct (and this is a bit of a logic leap) but the Lightbringers are an effective religious nunnery. Another tool that was used in the past for control over women was in fact religion. The Catholic church or even Hinduism/Islamic were always sexist and were used a means to control. In the way of the Catholic church this meant giving them a convent to run and do charity work just like how you see in Lux's story. The root of the sexism in Demacia does very much in deed seem to parallel our own history. There is also the fact that Demacia is insular. Historically, change is brought through with an increase in immigration or technological progress. Demacia has been in its own little bubble not dealing any trade with outsiders and not getting any immigrants to spread different ideas the entire time. They are very akin to Japan when they shut off their borders and were completely self-reliant. They were in isolationism for ~200-300 yrs. When the West had finally opened up their borders with a threat, we found that Japan had changed little of its culture or technology all that time. The same follows for Demacia. However, I feel the only problem with calling this actually canon is the problem that Fiora's lore is generally outdated. She didn't get a lore update with the Demacian clan. This makes the most prominent source of evidence for this quite possibly not even true anymore. I do whole-heartedly hope that Riot continues in the direction this thread has analysed for the sole sake of literary diversity.
> (Quick correction it's petricite.) Thanks for the correction, I was spelling it wrong for ages {{item:3070}} > However, I feel the only problem with calling this actually canon is the problem that Fiora's lore is generally outdated. She didn't get a lore update with the Demacian clan. This makes the most prominent source of evidence for this quite possibly not even true anymore. I do whole-heartedly hope that Riot continues in the direction this thread has analysed for the sole sake of literary diversity. It isn't that outdated. It was done after the retcon hence I feel it's mostly canon. I do hope it stays that way and Riot doesn't try to shoehorn equality into Demacia, because it doesn't belong there.
: I fully support it. But Demacia just got an update not mentioning anything of the sort, so if they do decide to go in that direction it will take forever to get anything canon.
Rioter Comments
: Now this is an interesting thread. I think what I want is not really a champion thing but a regional one. For this I will talk mainly about Demacia. We know Demacia is the region of Runeterra that harkens back to medieval times. You have knights, kings, towns of peasants, terrible magic that should be obliterated, etc. But what I believe is an important aspect about it that hasn't been really delved into would be the sexism. Now I get most of this from Fiora's lore, But her being the head of a house is unheard of and she is looked down on for it. My interpretation of this is that this medieval region still has old sexist views. You can see a bit of this is Lux's lore on how she is told to go everywhere and has no real independence of her own, and a slight bit in how the Demacians treated Shyvana but that one is lax because she is a magic being to begin with. Why have Demacia sexist? What does that add to the lore of Runeterra? Well foils and literary diversity. Let's start with the foil bit first though. Demacia Vs Noxus is the biggest rivalry in league, they are meant to be foils of each other by a literary standpoint. One is expansive, one insular; one hates magic, one praises it; etc. One of the biggest selling points of Noxus is their acceptance of all people so long as they can hold their own and produce results. The best foil for that is to have Demacia be bigoted people like they already are with magic. Literary diversity: None of the league regions deal at all with the issue of gender. We have power (noxus), ideology (freljord), conservation (ionia with the vastayan albeit a bit of a stretch), and Corruption (Icathia and the void) but nothing that really explores the gender disparity that existed in the medieval times and still exist in degrees today. Having a sexist nation, especially having it be Demacia, is such a good opportunity for Riot to delve deep into actual social problems.
I've thought long and hard about this and I think I'll make a thread at some point.
: Well I personally think it is not about possesion or anything near that idea considering Vlad. More like the "living force" concept you see in star wars. Every ancestor pushing him on to make better success and Vlad draws their remaining echos within him. Maybe this IS the real concept about the real art of hemomancy. You literally give "yourself" to your decendent to gain "success" in two meanings. And considering how Noxus is obsessed in success. mmm...
This is absolutely awesome and I completely agree. Fingers crossed Riot realizes it.
: Actually I think the best part of Vlad's lore is that he "Inherits" all knowledge from his ancestors. Which can mean, he can know stuff that is older than Noxus itself. ...Like no wonder you will get a high seat.
I wholeheartedly agree. The theme of legacy and inheritance is really strong here and hella cool. My only concern is that League has been too full of the "ancient being inhabits a young body" trope with the Darkin, the Aspects of Targon and so on. Hence i hope he only inherits power, knowledge of the craft and it's history and not much of the personalities of his predecessors.
: I'm really tired of hearing about Mordekaiser
And when he comes back to base, Teemo falls near him, only to be launched into orbit again.
iLBGAMing (EUW)
: Last time Vladimir got a skin was 2 years ago...
Honestly I'd rather have Bloodlord re-released or a VGU than a new skin right now. Riot themselves have said: 1) His rig is very dated and hard to work with, hence new skins will look silly. 2) They want to VGU him one day. So best you can do is wait and hope they at least give him good lore for Noxus update.
: I'm not sure we've worked out a good way to do a similar thing for fan fiction yet, unfortunately. Collating images is a much easier thing to do, manage, and check for controversial content. (And for the most part, fan art is more popular (more immediately engaging) than fan fiction). I do know that Riot is running a Creative Contest over on Polycount right now, with a Narrative segment this year - there are some work in progress stories going up as we speak. http://polycount.com/categories/riot-2017-narrative Otherwise I think that creative writing more often turns up: * In the Roleplaying forum * On Tumblr sites * On other fan fiction sites * Spontaneously on the Concepts and Creations board, and * Occasionally someone (sometimes me, [1](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/fancreations/5AiMAFN0-fan-fic-micro-competition-tall-tales-of-bilgewater), [2](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/fancreations/aOV8UEy9-fan-fic-micro-competition-project-fiction), [3](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/GGYEUcJc-fan-fic-micro-competition-the-last-shuriman-sunset ), and more recently Boards user [The Djinn](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/e2QibedJ-ccwc-concepts-creations-writing-competition-i-myths-legends-enter-here-open-until-930)) will run _unofficial_ fan fiction competitions on the C&C board. I know that personally, reading and providing feedback to the wealth of entries my little competitions have had, has been a great many hours of my time (usually nuking an entire weekend of my spare time, and several work day evenings/mornings). It's awesome fun to do, but a big commitment. I'm not sure how that scales to a permanent setup like the Fan Art site.
I have a Lux story in development about her learning about Noxian culture in her attempt to understand Demacia's place in the world and overcome her repressive upbringing. I am so posting it.
Sraeg2013 (EUNE)
: You are forgetting that Batman isn't right in the head either. He considers his true name to be "Batman" and his costume being called "Bruce Wayne".
Vayne is "she's going to breach her rights, break the institute law and kill people" crazy, if we trust the summoners.
Sraeg2013 (EUNE)
: There's a difference between not catering to fanon and flat out denying canon, which was the case with Vayne and every single Targonian champion. Vayne was a vigilante, the closes point of reference being Batman _(wealthy, dead parents, goes on a crusade against the bad guys that threaten her city)_ and now she's a cold blooded lunatic who kills anything that shows any sign of magic. The death of Solari elders was Diana's own actions in the old lore. In the new one a shy girl was mind-controlled by a space parasite to murder people that threatened its new plaything. Leona goes from being a paragon that seemingly wouldn't kill a fly to quoting Hitler while killing bandits.
I think Vayne's old lore, especially the judgement where she freaks out a summoner and they agree "yep that girl's crazy" behind her back definitely indicated there was something wrong with her head (which is to be expected given her life, really.) That said my problem with Vayne's new lore isn't that her insanity is exaggerated, it's that they dumbed her down. League is awfully short on women who shine with nothing but their intelligence. {{sticker:vayne-pose}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Blood Magicks,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=hB2zz27a,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-11-15T20:16:53.448+0000) > > Morgana isn't some pillar of level-headedness and maturity either. Not a huge Morgana fan but I think I can speak on their behalf here and say, stick to your Vladimir dreaming and posts.
I am a huge Morgana fan both in gameplay and lore (150k mastery so far, mained her throughout seasons 2, 4 and 6), but I won't speak on anyone's behalf and instead ask her fans to convince me.
: Don't tell me my fanon that Morde secretly has a prized collection of teacups and enjoys baking in his pastime isn't going to be featured in his updated lore.
My fanon it's that it a collection of iron teapots, because, you know, he's a giant teapot.
: But the point of Paradise Lost was that Lucifer seems cool and charming but was actually a childlike little bitch throwing a tantrum because he couldn’t have his way once you analyze his actions.
: What is it about religious people that they just can't help but shove their children's fairy tales down other's throats wherever and whenever they have the opportunity to?
Rioter Comments
: Lore Updates And The Impact Of Fanon
{{champion:8}} Oh man Vlad will be a difficult one, because it's a strange spin on the age-old vampire trope. Riot's task with him is very tricky but can offer great rewards. It's difficult because of the immense amount of culture behind the myth they have to respect but not copy (because we're talking Saunguimancy here, not vampirism). It can be very rewarding because Blood Magic is a fresh new fantasy concept, and Riot has already willingly or not set the standards for it. Every other Blood Sorcerer in contemporary fantasy is portrayed with white hair and/or a red cloak, and thrives near war and bloodshed . Riot has a chance to set standards further and write the newest chapter in the history of a trope that will outlive League and probably most of us. **To put it simply, Riot can make it so that every future bloodmage is seen as a Vlad knockoff.** That said here's the Vlad fanon we seem to mostly agree on: * References vampires without being a vampire, but instead a living human who has come to possess incredible power. * Merciless, power-hungry, struggles to see people as anything more than meat/vessels for his sorcery, which is what lead to his failure to fit into society at a younger age. * Various aspects of the "mad, bad and dangerous to know" depraved nobleman trope that inspired the first literary vampire (did you know that Lord Byron was the first vampire inspiration, rather than Vlad Tepes?). * Actually an intelligent, serious and terrifying character rather than a joke. This is pretty bare bones and I'm pretty sure Riot already has it in mind.
: Where is it, Rito?
Holy hell, imagine a long and cold winter holiday without the Swain rework. It will be the longest, coldest, most deadly winter in history. {{sticker:sg-janna}}
: Inspirational Champion Quotes
{{champion:202}} [I have risen from the filth and muck, I am the lotus blossom. I am beauty.](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/4/42/Jhin.move70.ogg/revision/latest?cb=20160117220408) I say that every time I feed in lane and them stomp the game.
: Project Vayne splash art
What's the biggest size available?
: A match made in hell. I approve.
You can only observe her on her nightly bloodbaths for so long before falling in love. https://imgur.com/8q59owe.png
: "New: Driven by vindictive obsession, Morgana is a potent mistress of suffering and the black arts. Once a being of grace and light, she was ripped from her kind during an ancient conflict that broke her soul, turning her into the cruel tormentor she is today. Comforted by a prophecy that claims she will strike the final blow and gain her revenge, Morgana lies in wait, her lust for power growing endlessly." here at Riot we like to turn once morally ambiguous characters into mustache-twirling cartoon parodies of themselves.
Now I cant stop imagining Morgana with a moustache. Good job, Malicious.
: I didn't think it was possible for anyone to love vayne at all, if where talking gameplay wise.
She is MY WIFE {{sticker:vlad-salute}} EDIT: Tank and bruiser mains seem to hate her but as a mage player I don't mind her that much. A lot of guys seem to hate her personality after the lore update, but all I see is a beautiful Bloodlady-to-be.
: PROJECT: Hunters Splash Arts
I didn't think it was possible to love Vayne more I love her more
GreenLore (EUW)
: They don't do Shen-level-updates anymore. It's nowadays either a full VGU like the one for Evelynn or just a gameplay update like Xin Zhaos.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Uhm his last skin was academy Vladimir,which came out in august 2015,so it is slightly older than 2 years.
Which is what I said? 2 years and 3 months with no plans to announce a new one. EDIT: This is despite the fact that Vlad had huge playrates these two seasons. It's very confusing to me why RIot didn't make a skin if they could do and get away with it.
GreenLore (EUW)
: They don't do Shen-level-updates anymore. It's nowadays either a full VGU like the one for Evelynn or just a gameplay update like Xin Zhaos.
Don't they? Shen got a VGU with new arts as far as I remember so that's perfectly within what they promised.
: I don't play Vlad, but wouldn't the resolve tree be pretty good with his passive? I'm probably completely wrong, but with Grasp he can easily get health in lane (though reduced since ranged), Demolish if you need to splitpush or Font of Life if teamfighting, either Revitalize for more healing or Overgrowth for more free health. Alternatively, Domination seems ok. All keystones seem ok, Taste of Blood is literally free healing on Q or Cheap Shot works well if you build Rylia's, Eyeball Collection is just more AP, and Ravenous Hunter for even more healing or Ingenious Hunter for active item CDR. Again, I don't know, this is just based on my very basic understanding of Vlad, so I could be completely off. And yeah, none of these options even compare to how the old masteries worked with Vlad, but I'd think they'd be ok.
No fam I figured it out, you take a mix of Domination and Sorcery with Predator keystone makes your flanks sick.
: Vlad is so kawaii {{sticker:sg-zephyr}}
Chibi Bloodlord is probably the cutest thing to ever grace League fandoms. https://i.imgur.com/T8Q2mPx.jpg
: But stromraiders needed you to chunk an opponent for like 30% health did it not? Could vlad really do that with just 1 or 2 spells?
GreenLore (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Blood Magicks,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=jL2osFsi,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-09T12:27:18.401+0000) > > We don't know that for sure but it was incredibly apt. > > Again not confirmed. Well new champs and VGUs tend to come out 6/7 months after the previous VGU/Champ Warwick came out 6 months after Ryze and Urgot came out 6 months after Warwick Meanwhile Galio came out 6 months after Yorick and Eve came out 7 months after Galio(I think they even said at one point that Eve is taking longer than usual,but I might be misremembering things) Xayah&Rakan came out 6 months after Ivern(they were done by the Kled&Ivern team together,with one team also doing Ornn,who came out ~12 months after Kled) and Zoe is now coming ~7 months after them Meanwhile Kayn came out 7 months after Camille,who herself came out 7 months after Taliyah. And Irelia is done by the same team who did Evelynn,meaning that she'll likely come out ~6 months after Eve,which would be in april > And how amazing can champs like Vlad and Morde get with similar augmentations? There is a term that gets passed around Riot analysts occasionally, and that's "opportunity cost". Roughly translated money not made is like money spent. The opportunity cost of augmenting Nunu's concept is massive if you think of what Riot can do instead. > > That said there are only so many ways you can glorify the "child riding a monster" idea. The overall impact and power fantasy is, again, dwarfed by more interesting champions. There are multiple factors that determine who gets a VGU and who doesn't. I mean Poppy is essentially our dwarven warrior,which really isn't a very exciting theme,yet she was one of the first to get a VGU,simply because how bad her kit and model were. The same would go for Nunu. His theme isn't very exciting,but his,model,kit and character are so bland,that he should get an update anyway.
You're probably right about the team rotation things, but we'll see how they manage the teasers and hype. And in my opinion they're better off giving Nunu a Shen-style update where they up the poly count and fix the worst design fails, update the kit somewhat and leave it there. Save huge-concept designs for champs of magnitude.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Overall I wouldn't count that much on Vlad not getting a skin for 2 years. I mean look at Illaoi,whose been out for over 2 years now and they are just starting to make her next skin. And yeah I understand,that Vlad for halloween would be fitting,I just doubt that it'll happen next year.
It's more than two years, half his skins are legacy, one is a recolour. Two are 1350 or above. And as I mentioned the rig isn't allowing new ones. Yeah I don't think it's happening either. But it would be nice, Riot is missing a good opportunity here.
: Ouch. Did they lower the health ratios?
: Pool doesn't help proc phase rush? That's pretty much just as bad as Lissandra's passive becoming a rune x)
It does but you have to detour and pool under them which is also gimmicky. I just want to sod off before they can trade back.
: Well some are definitely looking for a place to go but does phase rush truly not work on vlad? I mean, it looks like it´d be easier to proc it over stormraiders. And while melee get a additional benefit they also struggle more with kiting in general, vlad himself was one who liked to use Rylai for that reason as well x) Not to mention, vlad can go untargetable, that's pretty big.
It doesn't give the slow resistance and you need to aa to proc the speed, which is plain gimmicky and stupid. Vlad's aa is notoriously unfun and I'm usually busy pooling away after I EQ. Stormraider was easy to proc because a good EQ on an ap Vlad chunked people really hard.
: Not certain but i think Malz and Aniva's are finding themselves in a similar boat. Syndra seems to have seems to have gone into hiding due to sudden influx of strong assassins.
Now that assassins are good a lot of control mages feel like assassin food. Others, like mine, just feel like riot's trying to erase them.
: Aww tank vlad doesn't work anymore? I thought full tank vlad was fun
it hasn't worked for a year-ish now. I tried it a week ago, was fun but not viable.
Ralanr (NA)
: Wait you actually did draw that?
I totally have no artist friends... I did the editing and idea they drew the cute Vladdy :3
Rioter Comments
: Im going to keep complaining about getting a new shen skin that changes particles and abilities.
Still don't understand why the first project wasn't Shen. He's more of a hunter than Jhin.
GreenLore (EUW)
: And the same goes for {{champion:84}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:9}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:20}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:33}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:106}} {{champion:5}} and probably even more. But the thing is that we'll likely only see 5 VGUs next years(with 2 of them being Swain or Irelia),which would mean that Vlad would need to get one of the other 3 VGU-spots next year,which is simply not that likely as there are a lot of champions on the VGU-list.
Many of these got skins recently so that's clearly not the case. Look I'm not saying Vlad will get updated near Halloween, just that it would be very apt and clever to do so.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Well I haven't said that. Irelia was known to have a lot of unused thematic potential and they wouldn't update her base splash until she gets a VGU,so I always thought that she was rather high on the VGU list.
You realise one of the reasons Vlad isn't getting new skins is because his current rig is too dated to support good quality models?
GreenLore (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Blood Magicks,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=jL2osFsi,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-08T17:34:10.623+0000) > > They aren't, but it adds to the hype, and Nunu will need a lot of hype to get going. It also seems that Riot's recent releases have been tied to season, like Eve for Halloween and an Eastern-themed VGU and lore update for the Chinese New Year. Honestly I think Eve releasing close to halloween was more of a coincidence. And Irelia will likely be released in march or april,after the chinese new year is already over(if anything,Swain might actually come out around the time of the chinese new year...) Either way they could easily release Nunu at the end of 2018 and then make Vlad in 2019,so regardless if you agree with me on this or not,it doesn't prevent Nunu from getting a VGU before Vlad. > > Sion was a stroke of genius and drew on the gravitas of Swain and LeBlanc and the ravenous thirst of Noxus fans. I'm not saying it can't happen again, but it's not a sure success. > Also note well done doesn't imply popular. Reave once did a post about breadth of theme and Nunu doesn't have that. > > Anyway I don't want to throw other people's mains under the bus, just lament the fate of mine. Well we don't know if they'll add something to Nunus theme. I mean Galio wasn't a collossus before his VGU,Warwick wasn't a cyborg-chimera before his VGU.
>Honestly I think Eve releasing close to halloween was more of a coincidence We don't know that for sure but it was incredibly apt. >And Irelia will likely be released in march or april,after the chinese new year is already over(if anything,Swain might actually come out around the time of the chinese new year...) Again not confirmed. >Well we don't know if they'll add something to Nunus theme. I mean Galio wasn't a collossus before his VGU,Warwick wasn't a cyborg-chimera before his VGU. And how amazing can champs like Vlad and Morde get with similar augmentations? There is a term that gets passed around Riot analysts occasionally, and that's "opportunity cost". Roughly translated money not made is like money spent. The opportunity cost of augmenting Nunu's concept is massive if you think of what Riot can do instead. That said there are only so many ways you can glorify the "child riding a monster" idea. The overall impact and power fantasy is, again, dwarfed by more interesting champions.
: Will There be Mini Icons for Every Champ?
I want to be a cute blood, please rito
: Riot,could you change Project: Vayne's color from purple to black?
Might end up as a chroma one day but Riot prefers to not do champs with a very black colour scheme as they end up hard to see from the fog of war and confusing.
GreenLore (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Blood Magicks,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=jL2osFsi,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-08T12:31:17.369+0000) > > Two remarks on that: > 1) The only appropriate time to release a Nunu VGU would be winter, and this winter is already taken. > Since when are VGUs tied to the seasons? We've got Warwick in january,despite warwick being a champ who'd be extremely fitting for halloween. Heck our last 2 ice champions {{champion:201}} and {{champion:127}} were both released in spring. > 2) He is bland right now, but will he be less bland with a VGU? There just isn't that much to his theme. Riot will spend a ton of money to get another Yorick or Urgot where they have to make a champ too strong just so they could see a respectable playrate. Compare to the number of people who would rip out their kidney and sell it to be Sauron (going on a tangent about Mord here) or RODA ROLLA DA and it becomes the choice between an Ahri skin and an Illlaoi skin. > > https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/e/ed/1434901097_RODO_RODA_DAA.gif/revision/latest?cb=20170517213659 > Yes he'll be less bland. Just look at what they did with Sion,who used to be one of the blandest champions in the game. VGUs aren't just mere model updates,they can overhaul the champion as a whole and change them drastically. > Kayle and Morgana are coming out at the same time and will probably share parts of their teams. I'd be upset if they change Morgana's kit too much, she's fine as an entry level mage/supp. Well even if they come out at the same time they'll still take as much time as 2 VGUs. The same happened with Xayah and Rakan who took more time to do than a single champ. > That said you're probably right and I'll be stuck crying bloody tears in the corner while my itemisation and build paths get progressively gimped (rip dft as of most recently). At least Vlad's viable for now I guess. I'm only saying this because I love him but I know I won't have time for League in the years to come. I feel you here,I'd really like to see a VGU for him.
>Since when are VGUs tied to the seasons? They aren't, but it adds to the hype, and Nunu will need a lot of hype to get going. It also seems that Riot's recent releases have been tied to season, like Eve for Halloween and an Eastern-themed VGU and lore update for the Chinese New Year. >Yes he'll be less bland, just look at what they did to Sion. Sion was a stroke of genius and drew on the gravitas of Swain and LeBlanc and the ravenous thirst of Noxus fans. I'm not saying it can't happen again, but it's not a sure success. Also note well done doesn't imply popular. Reave once did a post about breadth of theme and Nunu doesn't have that. Anyway I don't want to throw other people's mains under the bus, just lament the fate of mine.
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