: That's not how the system works. I just explained it, too... The actual Rank, along with MMR, plays the factor when it comes to LP gain/losses. (Bronze 5,4,3,2,1 | Silver 5,4,3,2,1 | Gold 5,4,3,3,1, etc.) So, if you're Silver 3 with a hidden MMR of a Bronze 4 player, you'll gain less LP when you win, and lose more LP when you lose a game. The Ranking system wants to place you where you belong. On the other hand, if you're Silver 3 with a hidden MMR of a Gold 4 player, you'll gain a lot of LP when you win, and lose less LP when you lose a game.
I say this: ".... because if your LP is too low for your MMR then you gain more points for a win than a loss." by LP I mean league position here You say this: "On the other hand, if you're Silver 3 with a hidden MMR of a Gold 4 player, you'll gain a lot of LP when you win, and lose less LP when you lose a game." So we agree.
: We're assuming the game has been identified as likely a loss, hence the name "strategic dodge." I don't see your reasoning at all.
If you win/lose approx. 20LP for a game that means your team's MMR is matched with the enemy team's MMR. Matchmaking attempts to find balanced teams, based on current MMR for each player in each team. The assessment for a likely loss is a subjective call on your part. Or perhaps you see players on your team playing off roles, bad champs etc, in which case fine.... but the win/loss LP isn't adjusted because of Soraka jungle on your team. But yeah, I would dodge for sure in this case. Imagine a scenario where the best matchmaking can do is place a bronze team against diamond players. If you are on the bronze team and lose, you lose approx 3LP, if you dodge you lose 3LP.
: The factor you're not taking into account is that if the dodge was warranted then you only lost 3 lp instead of 20 for the loss AND your mmr is unaffected so it might work out to even less than 3 lp in the long term.
.... because if your LP is too low for your MMR then you gain more points for a win than a loss. You have actually agreed with the post you're arguing against.
: Here are easier examples to understand. If your Hidden MMR matches where you are currently placed. (Silver 1, with 1448 MMR) and with a 50% win rate, you will gain more LP when winning games and you will lose less LP when losing games. If your Hidden MMR is higher than where you are currently placed. (Silver1, with 1600 MMR) and with a 50+% win rate, you'll gain higher LP's when winning because the Ranking System wants to place you where you should be at. This is why players can skip divisions, (If you're currently at Gold 5, and enter the promo series to Gold 4, you could possibly skip gold 4 and get placed at Gold 3) If your Hidden MMR is lower than where you are currently placed. (Gold 5, with 1300 MMR) and with 50% or less win rate, you will gain very little amount of LP when winning games. You will lose a lot of LP when losing because the system wants to place you to where you belong at a lower ranking. IF YOU DODGE, YOU WILL NOT LOSE MMR. YOU WILL ONLY LOSE LP. THE MATCHMAKING SYSTEM DOES NOT COMPENSATE LP GAINS WHEN SOMEONE DODGES. IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THERE WOULD BE AN INFLUX OF BOOSTED PLAYERS AT A RANKING THEY DO NOT BELONG.
Err... I think SDars is right. You seem to lose the plot at about the same time you hit capslock.
: > [{quoted}](name=GayFluffyUnicorn,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gLruZZsy,comment-id=000c00000000,timestamp=2017-09-15T11:18:23.778+0000) > > No he doesn't need a buff and if you had a clue about this game you would know this. > You don't just randomly buff a broken kit in the hopes those buffs will completely overpower him to the point they completely negate any weakness because after all his biggest weakness being a useless piece of shit outside of sidelanes WILL NOT CHANGE. > All buffs will only make him more and more frustrating to play against and not help him a single bit in winning more games. You can be frustrated all you want, I still can put nasus in the dirt, just understand the champion. Also his kit is not inherently broken, otherwise after the pretty hefty buffs he would be killing it but he's not.
Dude, read what is being said. Nasus sucks in teamfights. Low winrate champion. Riot basically buffs his laning strength, a lot of people find him unfun to lane against. Now Nasus still sucks in teamfights. Still a low winrate champion.
Arzonv (EUW)
: Why is Twitch in his current sate acceptable?
Seen this sort of thing in many games with twitch. He does not kite or juke, just stands there and melts whoever is in front of him.
Lohrr (NA)
: Who uses their Nasus ult to scale their q when no champs are around? I mean, I always save ult for engages.
When nasus's q has a 50% cdr he needs less stacks to do the same damage in a fight. Factor in Triforce and q's base damage, he does more than double damage now. Hence his scaling is 'easier'.
: Then u have to tune something else up even more, the poor bastard doesnt even have a 50% wr and hes not conpetitively viable and youre asking to nerf him
They recently doubled the power of his ult. (Q cooldown) His ult magic damage aura is this : 3 / 4 / 5% (+ 1% per 100 AP) of target's maximum health per second. And here is the problem: Nasus is simultaneously ridiculous and mediocre.
: > [{quoted}](name=Bobovich,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Tmm2FwHc,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-09-13T14:52:15.191+0000) > > Nasus's current Wither (simulated DDOSing ability) is surely an archaic spell in the 'modern' LOL world, especially in light of his new super ult. I'll bite. Which part of Wither bothers you?
The point and click nature, the full 5 seconds slow/cripple duration at level 1. Nasus used to be a champ that had to fight for excellent scaling. His new ult makes life too easy for him now, in my opinion. Wither should be updated to even the balance.
Lyseth (NA)
: All the other Juggernauts have absurd CC or true damage, so wither is Nasus' absurd component Y'know what, let's remove every champs strong point, No Evelynn invisibility, no heals on WW, no 30 second CD possibility on Lux and Blitz ults, no Thresh Lantern, no Jhin crits, no Kindred stacks, no Gragas body slam, need I go on?
My argument isn't that all champs should be weak. The idea I'm expressing is that Nasus's Wither is too strong.
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: Star Guardian Announcer sounds like Cheap Escort
Nice troll you dirtybastud, now stop fapping.
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Càne (EUW)
: 2 Things Is sterak's gage gonna get buffed/reworked? Can you change the "target champions only" hotkey to a toggle please?
The toggle is a great idea, also there could be an option to automatically set the toggle to 'off' after casting one targeted ability.
: weird, in the time it took you to write out that wicked burn you could've answered the question
and you still don't admit you get it ???
: are you complaining about the tank or the adc? im not sure
Can't you work it out for yourself... fuking jesus
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: Were ADCs any less viable? No. They just required more peel. If you'd remember (funny because of your 'short memory' jab), the meta adapted towards supports/mids that could keep ADCs alive.
I'm replying to your post just for fun... ADC was a highly unfavourable role for quite a along this season. The whimsical idea that the ADC just needed 'more peel' and then everything 'ok bro' is just a blinkered view of what was happening. Classic auto attacking ADCs were being dumped on left right and centre by oppressive 'support' mages, 100-zeroed by assassins including so-called adc varus, jhin mf, et al. Do you really think that this current meta is bad? lolz
MagÊ (EUW)
: Exhaustive list of what makes Ranged carries not mandatory in Dota2
Tried playing Dota2 for a few weeks... One of the things that really bugged me about it was all the Mele-DPS-Tank-Assasin-Carry-Stunlock champs ... is that shit better?
: there's a lot of ways to make ranged carries less cancer, but if riot wanted to change them that way they've had 7 seasons to try even once
You have a short memory ... remember the adc in 2k17 meme?
: I assume you mean the red and blue golems? Or the ones that break apart? In either case, play to your comfort level. If you'd rather have more presence in lanes and you think something is slowing you down, I'd suggest skipping past it. Embrace what makes your game work, that's always the best path.
Sry my bad, i meant to say Krugs, the ones that split appart
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: I'm sick of all the janna and lulu hate
I would much rather have a {{champion:40}} {{champion:16}} {{champion:37}} {{champion:117}} support meta than ; {{champion:90}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:161}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:1}} (Morgana intentionally included this disease list) The whole support meta does tend to swing from one state of cheesy toxicity to another tho.
Nantai (NA)
: Are Emotes inherently toxic?
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: Thresh has a crazy ammount of things he can actually do
Thresh in a nutshell - Flay Hook Flay Flay Flay Hook Shield (granting cheesy escape for ally) R (550 Magic Damage Level 3 + 100% AP scaling 99% slow (dafuq ???)) More Flays More Shields Auto Auto Auto. This champ is a one-man-army. So overbearing. My God nerf this pls.
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: Is Riot Pushing Maokai to the Support Role?
Jungle clear is a lot better with the new sapplings.
: is there a way to keep my mmr low while
If you can't work out how to lose mmr, it will probably happen naturally for you anyway. Peace bro, and good luck.
: Are we going to do anything with Kat?
Mele carries with 1.5 damage items need to be able to 100-0 at 12 mins into the game... otherwise they're just not viable Kappa
: > [{quoted}](name=Bobovich,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YKYqwA0b,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-05-02T21:58:50.622+0000) > > Which animation cancels did they remove? > > I have not noticed anything different playing Renekton recently. Coming in 7.9 I think they're removing the Tiamat cancel
: So we removed Renekton AA animation cancel but...
Which animation cancels did they remove? I have not noticed anything different playing Renekton recently.
: TBH i hate rakan "oops I fucked up, time to jump 15 teemos away"
Yup. 15 degrees of cheese. I mean, I was surprised with reworked Talon's "flop over the nearest wall" cheese fest. What Do Riot? You guessed.....
: I thought it was funny how Meddlers one developer letter or whatever addressed their concerns about mobility creep and then like two weeks later they released Camille.
Hmm... how do we counter mobility? Well we could always try mobility.
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Slythion (NA)
: You realize what you're saying right? "I'm not good enough to beat this bad champion, so I want him nerfed! The game should accommodate *my* skills (or lack there-of) instead of having me get better! I don't care if the champion has clear strengths and weaknesses, he does good against bad players so he should be nerfed, even if decent players have no trouble beating him" this is a case where telling you to "git gud" is actually a legitimate argument. Get good instead of complaining about bad champions being too stronk
Dude, I play Renekton and Mao in the top lane (not at the same time tho). This champ stifles me. He pushes me under tower and combos me taking practically no damage. Then he runs around the map pressing R on people. I don't like this.
Ralanr (NA)
: His true damage is to a target that he can't control, that's not really a strength. His durability is a staple of juggernauts. He doesn't have the mobility or in combat sustain to work without it. His ult is an execute. It's not the only execution ult. Reducing his base AD would probably make his damage output plummet. Which being the only real thing he provides, would make him potentially trash. And giving him mana would require shorter cooldown abilities to compensate. More spins and silences later. Garen needs a heavy rework. He doesn't need things taken away without compensation. He's not strong, he's just overly binary. Not to mention that you think he should be nerfed because of how he impacts you in low elo. That is rarely a reason to ever nerf a champion, especially one so far off the radar as Garen.
The true damage applied on ult is something that boosts his combat strength, whether he can control it or not. Extra damage is extra damage when applied. I'm basically asking 'why is it there at all?', is it needed? I don't want him to be squishy, i just think his durability is too high in a simplistic fashion. Darius for example needs to position himself for a good Q to gain health, Garen just get stats for being Garen. Reducing this by a degree must be possible. AD reduction will reduce his damage, you can scale that variable to give the desired result. My game experience matters to me, despite 'low elo'. This is why I wrote the post. Or maybe I should just play Garen?
: Could I have some tips for playing against Renekton?
Play Garen. He might be able to bully you in the early game just don't die and farm a little under tower if he pushes. After your first back get some health and or armor. He can do very little to you after this. Renekton really needs kills in lane to scale and have a good mid/late game, deny him this and hes not going to do much.
Ralanr (NA)
: So basically you want Garen deleted? Because you're removing many things that make him Garen.
No, he can still be the champ we call Garen. I'm arguing his strengths need to be toned down.
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: If the Jinx changes do go through, please don't change Jinx around this new effect.
: To be honest, if Riot did more crazy buffs like we're seeing on the PBE right now
Maybe Eve could lose her invisibility, but be immune to damage until she casts a spell on you? That way she could stand right next to you and freak you out all game?
: Nasus spirit fire _new effect:_ now also reduces magic resist by 10/15/20/25/30
: But Garen needs a lot of ... courage.
Charge!!!! (he says whilst running away to regen) .... my God I hate Garen
Krynul (NA)
: What is the nature of the auto attack reset bug?
Noticed some odd things with Renekton after you dash. May not happen very time, basically you dash (E) then there is a very long pause before the next auto, or you just stop, as if you pressed S.
dynikus (NA)
: Alternatively, just pay attention to the mini map.
: They had such a ward on the PBE a while ago. Don't really know what happened to it though.
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