Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: How is me explaining things "triggering" me in any way? No one wants The Butcher's Bridge back because of its look and GP announcer. People want the full experience. And to do that, TBB is basically akin to a RGM queue, where Riot has to prepare the map for the current patch and update everything. This is basically the same level of maintenance for the permanent modes, if TBB would stay forever, in this "full experience" shape. We already have map "skins" for SR. And they're still not being turned on and off randomly - Winter Wonderland and Halloween come to mind. They're reserved for events. >Plus if they made a barebones aram map then in future it can be modified to multiple different themes that look different aesthetically but play the same way. Again, what you're describing here is TBB being stripped of its standalone game mode status and turned into an ARAM skin instead, so that people can toggle it on and off. That's a clear downgrade of what we have currently and believe me when i say that people would call out Riot for "half-assing" the job if they simply do this for the minority that are fine with a simple change of scenery. The way you're describing this process would be as if you'd want Magma Chamber to be made out of SR experience, with just making a "barebones" SR container from where you could attach things that were specifically developed for MC and then reskin it to look MC. That's not how this works.
Other than a few items and backtrack, what is so different about TBB compared to HA gameplay wise?
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: If it isn't that hard, do you mind posting the exact details on how to achieve this and perhaps suggest this to Riot? Because saying "it isn't that hard" is just a dismissal of the real difficulty and is spoken as someone who doesn't do back-end programming for a living. As Riot outlined in their ASK RIOT that was provided by the Moderator Academy Kayn, this isn't just a mere map skin. It's a different, standalone map with tweaks, new items and scripts that run in the background. Which means that even if it is possible to "turn it on and off", there's this difficulty in having to balance very similar ARAM experience TWICE (Howling Abyss and Butcher's Bridge), for no reason than a couple of different items and a different feel of the map. That takes up resources and time from doing something more productive (and perhaps, new experience) that other players might enjoy more. To me, it doesn't make sense to have two 90% similar maps competing for the same game mode. And it makes no sense for Riot to sideline Howling Abyss in favor of the Butcher's Bridge, given this is a map straight out of the League lore. And if you make this "switch" random, you have a bit different items/summoner spells and not have time to learn about their usage on a consistent basis, given you're not picking your own map experience from the start.
I don't know why this is triggering you so hard. I meant it would not be that hard to make a version of butcher's bridge which **can** be easily togglable where it would just be a texture swap for most of the map. We know the announcer can be toggled to default because they did it in summoners rift when they had the caster announcers. So yes it would take a bit of time tweaking things but nothing new needs to be made so in that way it's not that hard. Plus if they made a barebones aram map then in future it can be modified to multiple different themes that look different aesthetically but play the same way. I know currently they are different maps but if players like both and like to have the option of choosing between them then the technology **is** currently available to make it happen.
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: So you want The Butcher's Bridge to be downgraded into a map skin?
No but to implement new technology to swap between them, they are literally just asset swaps, it's not that hard.
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: "Accents" are just assets that you can turn on and off. They improve your visual experience (fidelity) which you can opt in and out of, if you're bothered by it or are bogging down your PC. The Butcher's Bridge isn't an asset, it's a whole new map that was forked over from The Howling Abyss. It can't be simply "switched on and off" from your options menu and that's the reason why it can't be done the same way even on the server side.
I know, but the compromise is to make a bridge map which **can** be toggled between howling abyss/bilgewater/whatever new map they want to do.
: Because there is objectively no reason for ARAM to be permanently switched from HA to Butchers. There are people who enjoy Abyss, and there are people who enjoy Butchers Bridge, neither persons personal taste is going to override the others. The only way Riot will add in Butchers Bridge permanently, is if people can choose either map they want (Going by their Ask Riot) and doing so will take resources. It's here, because it's temporary. It's not here to replace a map that still holds up visually to today.
So just make it the players choice like map accents in summoners rift when there are different events on.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Iceborn,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=MYutNWRQ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-02T06:57:48.859+0000) > > I dont think it can be seen from that far as it's mostly surrounded by clouds. Yeah but how far away can the clouds be seen? https://i.imgur.com/Hb7ul96.png/img
This is a very valid question
Rebonack (NA)
: If we know the curvature of Runeterra and how tall the mountain is we could math it.
We know where the equator is so if we assume earth size we can calculate the height if we knew how far away it can be seen at sea level.
: Jhin is the most beautiful/handsome character in League, and he despises himself because he fits society's ideals of what "perfection" is. Perfectly symmetrical face/body with no blemishes of any sort... Its no wonder why he's fucking insane. Its hard to come up with weird shit for Jhin because literally everything I can think of would probably make sense for him because he's _that_ weird already.
Had to downvote to keep the upvotes at 4, sorry.
: Ryze is actually just a homeless bald man suffering from iron poisoning. He became homeless because his wife died and his son, Kegan, took his house and kicked him out of it. Ryze sees Runeterra and magic real because of addiction to a halucinating black market product, called World Runes. Runeterra is something only he can see while he is hallucinating because of them. Ah and his magic is actually throwing blue paint at people with his bucket, the only object Kegan allowed him to keep from his old house. Ah also the scroll on his back is actually a huge toilet paper that he uses to wipe after shitting and also the place where he hides his hallucination product called World Runes
Don't you mean silver poisoning?
Rioter Comments
BayoNX19 (NA)
: what is it with you rioters literally only responding to lore questions? who cares if a champ is broken, or if loads of people cant get into queue because your launcher has problem right? nooooooo, champion lore is way more important than the game itself {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} get your priorities straight
This is the lore/art/sound part of boards where rioters involved with that stuff reply. None of them have anything to do with balance, game design or client design so why would they comment about it?{{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} If you want other rioters check other parts of the boards but not here.
QMighty (NA)
: I'll do you one better: WHY is Olaf?!
: > [{quoted}](name=Crescent Dusk,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5JbvbTHf,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-03-09T03:35:13.698+0000) > > I love my brother and all but if Liam Hemsworth's pretty little ass came waltzing around and demanded my brother to be sacrificed to the volcano, my brother would be swimming in lava in no time. Ok, but does Ronas look like a Hemsworth? And are we talking Chris, or one of the other unknown ones? Does he have an accent to go along with those looks?
Liam Hemsworth was the guy from the hunger games.
: This is really fantastic. My Fizz no ult, you astound me again. I have such respect for your worldbuilding efforts.
Reav3 (NA)
: Don't worry there will be a K&M Login
Still waiting on that Ezreal login. Please?
: If I weren't Scottish, this would be _all too real_.
Oh cool, didn't know you were Scottish! Seems like there's a few Scots working in Riot.
Rioter Comments
: Worldbuilding: Your Turn! Part II
Healthcare/medicine in runeterra. What's it like in different regions and what are attitudes towards healthcare like? We can guess that Ionia uses magic to heal and shurima maybe too. Piltover probably has some technologies and we can cheat and compare Targon and Shurima to ancient Greek/Egyptian medicine. Ionia maybe uses healing similar to chinese medicine too? We sort of know Piltover doesn't have a universal healthcare system which affects Zaunites the most and Demacia probably does have a universal healthcare system. Does Noxus even have healthcare? Also your geography post was made before the new map so it would be great to see your points after knowing more of the geography but also including wind directions/tectonic plates/rainfall patterns/other geography stuff.
: What does Ezreal DO in Demacia?
This is actually quite a good question and I hope rioters can fill us in on more details. He probably takes his gauntlet off in Demacia so they don't suspect him. He obviously went there to find his parents/make them find him and maybe he heard about the world runes and wants to find them? The national hero part doesn't make sense currently, there's a chance it's all in his head or it's a lie he made people believe. He probably just wore fancy clothes and they were like, ok makes sense. There's also a chance he is a hero by defeating noxians in some remote demacian village but he doesn't look like a warrior(which would make them suspicious of him beig a mage) so it would be interesting to know what he did to become a hero. As for Sylas, we know he can see magic so he can see right through jarro lightfeather and obviosuly sees his magic. As a fellow mage he probably would want Ezreal to join his cause unless he disliked him because Ezreal helped the mageseekers or something (or some lux love triangle).
Rioter Comments
: Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads. JK. This is an idea we've considered and will be exploring! Glad to see you're just as interested in it as we are!
That's amazing to hear! I hope we get to see it soon™
  Rioter Comments
: Thanks for the feedback! We're still iterating on how we do these, so would love to hear any thoughts or pain points!
Maybe add a note on why a specific bit was changed/updated. Don't get me wrong, any new lore is great to have, but the yi and annie stories seemed kind of random compared to what we usually get when new stories are to do with a region update/new champion.
Naalith (NA)
: I'm getting pretty tired of ripped shirtless dudes, to be honest. I'm not one to complain about sexualizing characters or that kind of thing but I do think it's funny Riot doesn't sexualize female characters since... what, Elise was the last over the top one and it made perfect sense in her lore? Evelynn doesn't count because she was sexy before the rework? But virtually every male champion in the last five years has been a ripped shirtless dude. It's getting boring and it's particularly egregious in this case because it makes no sense. If Sylas's model is supposed to be right after he escaped his execution, he could MAYBE be shirtless but would also be emaciated from being chained in prison for his whole life. If the model is supposed to be from a few months down the road, it COULD make sense that he is ripped because he is hoisting chains around as weapons but it makes no sense for him not to be wearing a shirt. He's a revolutionary and a symbol for mage rebellion but instead of being well-dressed and poignant (like his voice and lore would suggest he is) he looks like he's about to fight in a WWE match. Except he's too boring looking to be in WWE. So overall not a big fan, Riot's art department usually does an amazing job and this has been the most meh character in years in my opinion. Even Kai'sa who was questionable to a lot of people has more unique visual flavor than Sylas. I know that different things appeal to different people as we see in the "Pixar game" versus "edgelord champ" war that happens whenever a Riot announces a champion that goes into those camps, but I think most of us would agree that Sylas is just painfully mediocre with not a lot going for him which sucks because I really like his story and gameplay.
> [{quoted}](name=Naalith,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dN0tQGzJ,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2019-01-29T05:08:56.653+0000) I do think it's funny Riot doesn't sexualize female characters since... what, Elise Have you forgotten Kai'sa?
Lewanor (NA)
: I am waiting for 6 years with nothing but hopes. But this is the last year. I'm giving up. You got me Riot. Nothing for 8 years, thinking there might've been some people waiting even more than me...
: > [{quoted}](name=JonnyBoyy,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=fQ1trYQz,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-01-19T13:30:05.903+0000) > > yep but its taking so slow to show up making my doubts. There is no way they will skip it since they already created music for it.
Ezreal rework had quite a nice theme that was never released
Rαy (EUW)
: So... is anyone over there still doing their job properly?
: > [{quoted}](name=C meLoL,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Hy3A2Qn0,comment-id=001c0000,timestamp=2019-01-11T10:26:36.184+0000) > > Just out of curiosity, if they made irl merch that was a reasonable price and was something you liked, would you buy that? That's a really interesting, multi-faceted question, and I'm not sure how to answer it. _Could_ they make merch I like? They seem to mostly produce useless knickknacks like plushies and novelty sweaters, so maybe that's too big of an assumption already, but let's grant it. Would anything be a reasonable price, in my mind? I don't have a lot of spare cash, and I'm even reticent to allow other people to spend money on me. Most things just don't seem worth it. And space is at a premium where I live (not a huge room), so the question is less "can I spare the money to buy this thing?" and more "can I spare the real estate to store this thing?", the answer to which is increasingly becoming "no." But, granting all these assumptions, would I refuse to consider such a purchase just because it was offered by a video game company? I'm not sure. I don't think I'd refuse - after all, I have a bunch of Steam games that I paid for (and never play). My concern is investing money into an ongoing experience that can be taken away or ruined at any time for any or no reason, and I don't think merch would fall into that category. After all, if you buy a plushie, you own it. Simple. So, keeping all these assumptions and caveats in mind, I think I can say that I might consider it instead of immediately refusing.
I'm in the same boat as you, not spent anything on skins since I don't want to spend money on something that can be changed and I don't own but would be a lot more likely to buy irl stuff. Riot should really invest more into selling irl stuff which people like us would be more likely to buy.
: > [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Hy3A2Qn0,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-01-10T20:24:51.704+0000) > > Let me ask you, reader: How many skins do you have for your favorite champions? Barring a ban or an account loss, you're probably rocking 1-3 skins for most of your favorite champs right? Or, on average, you have the skins you really want and nothing else. I've unlocked 96 champs on my main account (with enough BE to unlock the rest if I was interested in them), and 17 skins. All but one of those skins is from something like a promo or special event. As for the outlier, I found a skin I liked, waited years for it to go on sale, submitted a support ticket with a custom thing I made related to the skin, and added that RP to the complimentary RP an Honorable account used to get. With all due respect to Riot, there is nothing they or any F2P game company could do to get me to spend a dime of actual money, because I learned the folly of that many years ago. Perhaps a few more people learned this lesson today.
Just out of curiosity, if they made irl merch that was a reasonable price and was something you liked, would you buy that?
Lewanor (NA)
: Nice, let me make one for the champs that never got a lore update, or mention in lore. Ever. {{champion:12}} {{champion:432}} {{champion:201}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:42}} {{champion:79}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:421}} {{champion:68}} {{champion:37}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:5}} {{champion:26}}
But Rek'Sai is mentioned in Ezreal's lore and was mentioned in the interactive map.
: > [{quoted}](name=Darkin Hybrid,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=eAknYm6u,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-23T20:41:11.991+0000) > > I also appreciate you creating these, they are very interesting to read. Have you got any other candidates besides Vlad? > > Also happy holidays, hope you have a great time with your relatives! Actually yes. After Vlad I'm gonna do a Brand one (he showed enough to be worth a list), Ornn, Azir maybe (tho most of his powers are implied and logically to have like any other Ascended. Ex: sunfire and regeneration), Vel'Koz (was suggested in a comment above) for the moment.
d00mface (EUW)
: What champs would you like to see interact with one another that haven't?
Ezreal {{champion:81}} and Ekko{{champion:245}} For 2 champions that live so close to each other and are both young geniuses it's strange that they have no interactions in lore or any meaningful in game interactions.
: Why didn't Ezreal get a login theme?
What makes it even more disappointing is his teaser had a really cool theme that fits him and we may never get to hear the full version.
: This makes me happy. {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}} What sort of things would help you even more, do you think? No promises, just checking for unexpected ideas that we've not considered yet.
: Champs that got a skin line that was out of nowhere
Ace of spades Ezreal kinda came out of nowhere
: You expecting someone to peer into the future and report back or something?
No he's expecting a rioter to reply and/or just general discussion on the subject matter.
: You mean, like, in story content that hasn't yet shipped, because the champion still hasn't been officially released...?
Ooh does that mean we're getting one of those 30 minute stories with his release?
: > [{quoted}](name=Larriet,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8yWnAs10,comment-id=0002000000010004,timestamp=2018-09-22T15:50:45.675+0000) > > Honestly, imagining how Piltover and Zaun work is extremely difficult for me, even with all the pictures we've seen. There are images like you've shown where both cities are define by very tall and thin towers with many bridges, but we clearly see/read about locations with much more horizontal space. Images on Piltover's page look like they could be on solid ground, but NONE of Piltover should actually work that way, right? No a fair bit of Piltover would be on solid, flatter, ground. It is very confusing, I agree. Here's my working theory: The isthmus where Piltover and Zaun are, is unusual in that sea level is different on either side of it. This is unusual, but not unheard of, even on Earth. The height difference is fairly pronounced, however. So when it was just Zaun, the settlement would have been built on the easiest, most convenient, part of the land to build on - coasts, riverbanks, the narrowest parts, and crossroads. The higher altitude, more difficult/less convenient parts to build on, might have had some proto-Piltover districts, but mostly they wouldn't have been especially desirable. When the OG Progress Day went down, several of the areas that were high density collapsed/sunk into sink-hole like chasms - effectively taking a lot of Zaun down there. The previously undesirable areas of high, but flat, land, suddenly became highly desirable real estate, and new developments for the wealthy cropped up. These areas are probably Piltover now. If anyone remembers the plot to Superman: The Movie, it's like the San Andreas fault snapped off and now there's newly desirable coastline where there wasn't before. The analogy is a little off, but you get the idea, maybe?
We would love if you guys at the map team would give us more pictures of how it all works but that theory is very interesting!
: > [{quoted}](name=Okuma,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Jw1KR0cU,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-09-11T08:18:09.106+0000) > > How dare you! {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} I'm a straight male who never watched Sailor Moon, so I can't say that I particularly like a skin line full of pink, frilly girls.
Neamean (NA)
: Runeterra daycare{{champion:20}} {{champion:1}} {{champion:32}} {{champion:150}}
: Worldbuilding: Your Turn!
Do you think we'll ever get a beatiary type thing which includes all the animals found in runeterra with information about them? Lot's of different creatures are mentioned in all the bits of lore, it would be nice to have them all in one place.
Fasmodey (EUW)
: Please no.
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Loborcs (EUW)
: What comes from the West?
Could the seer be the same seer from the syndra story, i.e soraka?
: Ionian, Demacian, Noxian, Shuriman, Icathian, Zaunist, Piltoverian, Freljordian, Bilgwaterian, Are these all right?
: > [{quoted}](name=C meLoL,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=VJJ4cBab,comment-id=000000020000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-28T22:40:52.305+0000) > > xD > > So you're saying you are a level designer for a game that uses league IP but is not league? Hmm interesting. What is with people putting words in my mouth? :P I didn't say that.
It's because you're active on the boards and we're all thirsty for info. Don't take it personally! And I can feel it's making you uncomfortable since I know you can't say so I'll stop. But while I have your attention, we on Ezreal Mains have been discussing his age. I know you can't give an exact number but would you say he's closer to 17 or 23?
: > [{quoted}](name=C meLoL,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=VJJ4cBab,comment-id=0000000200000000,timestamp=2018-06-28T21:46:07.846+0000) > > But do you work with league IP? Yes. Is this 20 questions? :D
xD So you're saying you are a level designer for a game that uses league IP but is not league? Hmm interesting.
: > [{quoted}](name=I NEED YOU,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=VJJ4cBab,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2018-06-28T16:31:50.182+0000) > > why are there level designers in league XD I don't work on League :P
But do you work with league IP?
: It's been awhile since the last Shadow Isles champion, where did they all go?
: Kumungu (!) isn't a region in the same way that Shurima or Demacia are, but we will totally get around to those big areas too. Like Ironspike, and the provinces of Ionia beyond Navori. Bandle City... well, there's a mystery wrapped in an enigma... ;-)
I'm really glad to hear that and I'm actually ok with bandle being a mystery .
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