Meddler (NA)
: Quick LoL Thoughts: January 17
Also, I imagine this isnt exactly your area, but could you perhaps ask around and find out what the actual reason for the Riot Account change was? Because the official reasons are clearly nonsense and fall apart if you just look at them, and I want to know why Im having my username being taken away so that the current account system can be replaced by an inferior one.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick LoL Thoughts: January 17
How has Lee managed to avoid being nerfed despite consistently overperforming over the last couple weeks/months while Qiyana, who is a lot less contested at the highest levels already gets nerfed?
: > [{quoted}](name=Cameramon,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qQ1oaLUf,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-14T18:02:52.825+0000) > > Ah yes, because you cant simply have a "select region" dropdown next to the name to make that work. Except, of course, you can. I'll take that as a no. I won't bother to explain, based on your responses in this thread you don't want to see it.
> [{quoted}](name=LordRedStone Nr1,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qQ1oaLUf,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-14T18:14:19.162+0000) > > I'll take that as a no. > I won't bother to explain, based on your responses in this thread you don't want to see it. No, "no" would imply that your question wasnt a leading question. Which it was. Your question operates on the (blatantly incorrect) assumption that "your account has to be unique". The correct answer is to point out that league accounts already were unique. Your username however ***DOESNT*** have to be unique, as hundreds of games have already shown. Its simply put complete nonsense.
: > [{quoted}](name=Cameramon,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qQ1oaLUf,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-14T17:17:13.866+0000) > > Except, of course, as the LoR preview weekends have shown, yeah it does work exactly that way. The open beta will include the ability to befriend people from all region shards. Do you now see why your account has to be unique?
> [{quoted}](name=LordRedStone Nr1,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qQ1oaLUf,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-14T17:58:13.198+0000) > > The open beta will include the ability to befriend people from all region shards. Do you now see why your account has to be unique? Ah yes, because you cant simply have a "select region" dropdown next to the name to make that work. Except, of course, you can.
: > [{quoted}](name=Cameramon,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qQ1oaLUf,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-14T17:13:52.918+0000) > > And I have already addressed why thats complete nonsense. They want to have a master account. Ok, just take the league account, rename it to "Riot Account", change absolutely *nothing* about the underlying systems. Boom. You have your master account. Without having to downgrade like they did with their stupid solution. And how much insight do you have into Riot's systems to know that this is all the "just" have to do. Flip of the switch, right? Take 5 minutes?
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qQ1oaLUf,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2020-01-14T17:48:37.103+0000) > > And how much insight do you have into Riot's systems to know that this is all the "just" have to do. Flip of the switch, right? Take 5 minutes? They already did it, with the LoR preview weekends. In fact, its not even flipping a switch or taking 5 minutes, the entire system was already in place. The only thing they had to do was change the name. Thats literally it.
: > [{quoted}](name=Cameramon,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qQ1oaLUf,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-14T17:13:52.918+0000) > > And I have already addressed why thats complete nonsense. They want to have a master account. Ok, just take the league account, rename it to "Riot Account", change absolutely *nothing* about the underlying systems. Boom. You have your master account. Without having to downgrade like they did with their stupid solution. It doesn't work that way at all. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
> [{quoted}](name=Dreamspitter,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qQ1oaLUf,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-14T17:16:17.974+0000) > > It doesn't work that way at all. > > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} Except, of course, as the LoR preview weekends have shown, yeah it does work exactly that way.
: > [{quoted}](name=Cameramon,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qQ1oaLUf,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2020-01-14T17:08:02.796+0000) > > I do have a choice, the choice to simply not play the game. I refuse to follow Riots idiotic pointless decision that makes things worse for everyone. And please, administrative decisions still have to have a reason to be made. I want to know the reason. However stupid its inevitably going to be. They told us the reason. The reason is to have a master account for all Riot services. This isn't an uncommon thing. Currently, there is only one Riot service (League). There will be more. They're getting ahead of this before it becomes problematic.
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qQ1oaLUf,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-14T17:11:56.366+0000) > > They told us the reason. The reason is to have a master account for all Riot services. This isn't an uncommon thing. Currently, there is only one Riot service (League). There will be more. They're getting ahead of this before it becomes problematic. And I have already addressed why thats complete nonsense. They want to have a master account. Ok, just take the league account, rename it to "Riot Account", change absolutely *nothing* about the underlying systems. Boom. You have your master account. Without having to downgrade like they did with their stupid solution.
: > So, now that the popup is no longer optional, and people who refuse to go along with Riot Accounts are locked out of the game, can we at least be told why this whole change was done in the first place? Weve heard a lot of different justifications, but every single one of them fell apart when you just took a closer look. Dude, you aren't going to get a justification. Stop trying to poke holes in what's essentially an administrative decision. In order to use Riot's services, whatever they may be, we are required to have a uniquely-named master account. Stop being outraged over something like this. It doesn't affect your summoner name, and while it may be aggravating to have to change an account name you've had for a long time, you really don't have a choice. You will be fine, life will go on.
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qQ1oaLUf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2020-01-14T17:01:32.473+0000) > > Dude, you aren't going to get a justification. Stop trying to poke holes in what's essentially an administrative decision. In order to use Riot's services, whatever they may be, we are required to have a uniquely-named master account. Stop being outraged over something like this. It doesn't affect your summoner name, and while it may be aggravating to have to change an account name you've had for a long time, you really don't have a choice. You will be fine, life will go on. I do have a choice, the choice to simply not play the game. I refuse to follow Riots idiotic pointless decision that makes things worse for everyone. And please, administrative decisions still have to have a reason to be made. I want to know the reason. However stupid its inevitably going to be.
Zyniya (NA)
: My bet is your accounts are going to be linked over ALL of RIOT Games, games. One master account to save them making a bunch of different things.
> [{quoted}](name=Zyniya,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qQ1oaLUf,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2020-01-14T17:04:21.230+0000) > > My bet is your accounts are going to be linked over ALL of RIOT Games, games. One master account to save them making a bunch of different things. They could simply use the League account for that, and rename that to the Riot account without changing the systems. That would keep the improved security and all the benefits of the old system, without causing any of the problems of the new system.
Rioter Comments
: Username update prompt will be mandatory starting next week
How about instead you can the whole thing and admit it was a bloody mistake from the start? Seriously this was a terrible idea, executed even *worse*. "Ok, we will no longer distinguish between regions, instead of a league account for a specific region, you just have a Riot Account" "Oh cool, does that mean we can now use the same account to play on any region, say if we want to play with friends on another server?" "Hah no, that would actually be useful. No you still are locked to one region per account. We just removed the distinguisher between accounts to reduce security, lower the total number of accounts, and cause username conflicts. Oh and we chose the most stupid way of resolving those, by making it the last man standing gets to keep their accountname. Which is the account that no longer plays the game" And with all that nonsense, here comes the big question. *Why*? There are a ton of problems with this system. But there seems to be absolutely no benefit. We dont get to switch regions on the same account. And even if the other games are going to not seperate by region, that doesnt mean you need to get rid of the system. Just do it like you did with the LoR beta, where you still login by region but arent seperated by it. Why instead make this stupid mess that noone wants or likes? Frankly at this point if you refuse to change the system or fix how you handle username conflicts, Im simply gonna stop playing League. Its been a fun 10 years, but Im not about to let this go.
: I'm guessing they want to give games that don't really require low ping such as LoR and TFT the option of cross-region play?
> [{quoted}](name=LiegeWaffles,realm=EUW,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=Rw1knV9P,comment-id=000f000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-28T08:57:45.368+0000) > > I'm guessing they want to give games that don't really require low ping such as LoR and TFT the option of cross-region play? The thing is, the current system doesnt prevent that. Regionlock is still going to exist on accounts, it simply isnt on our side anymore.
: Username update client prompt on pause
Alright, this is a good start. Next, can you simply can the entire decision for good? It is clearly unpopular, and try as I might, I couldnt come up with any reason for this change. Its not for security purposes, as reducing the requirements for a login from username, password and server to just username and password makes the accounts *less* secure. Its not for removing the regionlock for future games, as the league accounts are going to remain regionlocked, so having the other games not have regionlocks is a seperate issue. At this point I just dont see a reason to do this other than to annoy the players.
Hi im 12 (EUNE)
: yeah na it doesn't take you 100s of games to git gud at kat, ivern or singed, maybe 150-200 tops.
> [{quoted}](name=Hi im 12,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4XL9YoPE,comment-id=000a00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-27T19:17:12.772+0000) > > yeah na it doesn't take you 100s of games to git gud at kat, ivern or singed, maybe 150-200 tops. To master them? 150-200 isnt even close to enough for Kat.
Hi im 12 (EUNE)
: the stats show a high skillfloor not a skillcap so they are the "difficult to pick up" not "hard to play" champions.
> [{quoted}](name=Hi im 12,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4XL9YoPE,comment-id=000a000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-27T18:06:47.973+0000) > > the stats show a high skillfloor not a skillcap so they are the "difficult to pick up" not "hard to play" champions. They show both, actually. The skill floor is how long it takes to reach a decent level (the plateau), the skill ceiling or skillcap how long it takes to reach the peak. For these, the peak is beyond the shown interval (its in the several hundreds range).
Hi im 12 (EUNE)
: so I take it ivern and singed are also mechanically intensive champions? these champions are just champions where you need basic mechanics to not int on or a weird playstyle that people aren't used to.
> [{quoted}](name=Hi im 12,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4XL9YoPE,comment-id=000a0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-27T16:05:01.367+0000) > > so I take it ivern and singed are also mechanically intensive champions? these champions are just champions where you need basic mechanics to not int on or a weird playstyle that people aren't used to. The stats show that they are difficult. Whether its mechanically or not is not reflected in the stats, I imagine in the case of Singed and Ivern its macro-related.
Hi im 12 (EUNE)
: I'd like a source on that, and considering how easy almost every champion on league is top 6 isn't really all that high
> [{quoted}](name=Hi im 12,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4XL9YoPE,comment-id=000a00010000,timestamp=2019-11-27T14:28:10.305+0000) > > I'd like a source on that, and considering how easy almost every champion on league is top 6 isn't really all that high Google "Blaustoise mastery curves". And in this case, top 6 means "100 games before youre decent with them, a couple hundred more before youre good".
Hi im 12 (EUNE)
: people who think lee and kat are mechanically challenging lmao
> [{quoted}](name=Hi im 12,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4XL9YoPE,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-11-27T13:37:24.532+0000) > > people who think lee and kat are mechanically challenging lmao Well Lee definitely isnt, but Kat is. In fact, when Riot showed the mastery curves of the 8 hardest champs, Kat was number 6.
: The numbers are all tuned, it's damage is now lower as it's not an ultimate spell Old Lunar rush damage at level 1: 100 New Lunar Rush damage at level 1: 40
Well yeah, but its still *really* high. In fact, its higher than Qiyanas level 2 all-in (and the level 3 all-in for that matter) while having longer range and less counterplay. And Qiyanas level 2 and level 3 all-ins are already terrifying. This seems like its going to outright oppressive.
Dıana (NA)
: You can dodge Q, just walk toward her. And she’s gonna do less damage with just her Q+W+Dash combo probably so she won’t one shot at level 3
> [{quoted}](name=Dıana,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=V9wBw3nx,comment-id=00210000,timestamp=2019-11-26T23:24:08.435+0000) > > You can dodge Q, just walk toward her. And she’s gonna do less damage with just her Q+W+Dash combo probably so she won’t one shot at level 3 That didnt even work when her Q angled more and was a lot slower. Its certainly not gonna work now. You cannot dodge Q. Its a guaranteed hit for a guaranteed all-in. And yeah, she does less damage than she did at level 6 with just those, but her level 2 and level 3 all-ins do a lot more damage than Qiyana. Yknow, the champ known for having terrifying level 2 and level 3 all-ins that hardly any champ can deal with? Diana does it *better*.
Squad5 (NA)
: Diana changes on PBE
Given that her R is now a basic ability, giving her *really* strong all-ins at level 2 and 3, any chance you could fully rever the Q speed buff from patch 9.13? As it stands there is no way to dodge Dianas Q without a dash or flash, an issue that is mitigated by her only being able to all-in from it after level 6, letting you abuse her in the laning phase to keep her down. Now she can all-in much ealier.
: Lux VFX Update
I feel like the subtle indicator for the Q hitbox is a bit *too* subtle, becoming impossible to read in teamfight scenarios. Maybe make it a bit brighter/more visible, so a player can reasonably see the Q hitbox even if theyre not staring at the ground?
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: November 15
Especially with Sennas kit including passive crit chance, often causing the lane to become very coinflippy, is there any chance that a change to crit to remove its randomness entirely could be pushed up to pre-season, or alternatively, could crit get replaced by Ashes passive while a better solution is worked on? It seems obviously better to use Ashes passive instead of a system whose sole purpose appears to be to reduce the impact of skill and promote luck.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: October 4
Could you consider including a crit rework that removes the RNG in the preseason changes, or at least giving it a high priority? Its frustrating that the current implementation, which has been openly admitted to be an implementation created to reduce the impact of skill, continues to exist. It feels like it stands against everything league stands for, and to this day continues to occasionally make lost games won. I would hate to see it only happen if a worlds game is decided by it.
Bârd (NA)
: The state of Crit in league is a big part of why item diversity sucks ass.
All crit needs is for the randomness to be removed entirely. Then you can create more variety in crit builds. But while people have to buy a lot of crit to make sure theyre reliably (somewhat reliably anyway) getting the damage they bought, it will always result in 3+ crit items.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 9
Why has Riots position on output randomness (i.e. randomness that happens after all planning and decision are made and changes the outcome) changed so drastically? It used to be that you identified it as a big problem and something the game shouldnt have, in any of its form. Nowadays, not only is the hinted crit rework that removes output randomness nowhere to be seen (and comments on whether or not its been canned non-existant), but the solution to giving TFT added variety is output randomness rather than the healthier input randomness? Also can we *please* just get official word on whether crit will remain output randomness forever, or if it will be changed?
Dasdi96 (NA)
: Tryndamere needs to be reworked really badly (one of the most toxic designs).
Tryndamere himself is fine. Crit Chance as a whole needs to be reworked to not be random at all, just like Riot promised years ago. It ruins everything it touches, Tryndamere is just another symptom of that.
: Just change his E. I love playing him but jesus christ his E is hands down the single worst ability in the game. It does like 5 damage and applies a 1% slow. If they changed his E into an actual ability then maybe the rest of his kit wont need buffs.
> [{quoted}](name=Spooky Skeleton,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ku2oBnaf,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-07-25T10:58:39.465+0000) > > Just change his E. I love playing him but jesus christ his E is hands down the single worst ability in the game. It does like 5 damage and applies a 1% slow. > > If they changed his E into an actual ability then maybe the rest of his kit wont need buffs. Funny how for Lee players a 1.0 bonus AD scaling instant AoE with 240 base damage and a 60% slow needs buffs. Like damn, a lot of AD champs would kill for an ability like that. I get that compared to your Q which does more damage than almost all AD ults its not that insane, but cmon. Its not the worst ability in the game, its not even in the bottom 50%. And no, Lee doesnt need buffs. Not now, not ever.
Ephixus (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ku2oBnaf,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-25T04:00:31.357+0000) > > Thank god THE MOST PLAYED JUNGLE BY A GOOD AMOUNT IS GETTING BUFFED. Who wants diversity anyways. Who doesn't want lee vs j4 every game. > > I'm 90% sure everything jg change in the past 2 years has just be to fuck with jungle players. It's all just one be joke on them. I barely see Lee Sin at all lol. Rengar, Kayn and other bullshit.
> [{quoted}](name=Ephixus,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ku2oBnaf,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-07-25T11:11:33.008+0000) > > I barely see Lee Sin at all lol. Rengar, Kayn and other bullshit. Mate, Lee Sin is the most picked jungler by far. Usually he is actually the most picked champion, and if you were to look at leagues entire history, he would be 4 times ahead of the next-closest one. Even right now, he is picked 2 times as often as Kayn, and 3 times as often as Rengar (and more than both combined).
: [Concept] League of Legends - FPS/TPS game
God that reminds me of Gigantic. What a shame that game died.
BigFBear (EUW)
: Getting less Items than your opponents is like playing Texas Hold’em with just 1 card on your hand
This is fundamentally the difference between input randomness (randomness that happens before any decisions can be made and that can allow equal decisions to be made) and output randomness (randomness that simply changes the result of your decision without you having any say in it). Input randomness is a healthy thing, and TFT already has it in champion rolls and what exact item you get. Output randomness is extremely unhealthy, and should never exist. Unfortunately, it seems Riot have actually changed their mind on that for some inexplicable reason, giving us output randomness in TFT, and also not fixing crits output randomness despite promising to do so.
Meddler (NA)
: A minimum of 1 item at least from PVE rounds beyond the first three should be in there in 9.14, though from memory one of the rounds is bugged and not always dropping an item as intended. I'll get some longer thoughts together (probably for next week) on how we're approaching the first three rounds and why we don't believe everyone getting an identical number of items is the right approach.
> [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=WEqEegA4,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-07-19T17:02:17.072+0000) > > A minimum of 1 item at least from PVE rounds beyond the first three should be in there in 9.14, though from memory one of the rounds is bugged and not always dropping an item as intended. > > I'll get some longer thoughts together (probably for next week) on how we're approaching the first three rounds and why we don't believe everyone getting an identical number of items is the right approach. Does that mean that you no longer believe that Output RNG is harmful and instead something you are perfectly fine with having? Does that also explain why the promised crit rework removing its Output RNG appears to have been silently cancelled, with no comments on it ever since.
iiGazeii (NA)
: What if Crits weren't RNG?
If crits werent RNG, the game would improve massively. Its the worst possible implementation for what crit is supposed to do, that is give ADCs a stat to hyperscale with that assassins and bruisers dont want to use. Strictly speaking, Ashe system is superior. It has a ton of upsides, and not a single downside. And the worst part is that Riot is aware that crit being random is bad for the game. They told us that they planned to rework it to not be random anymore. But, for some reason, that has not materialized yet, and Riot has been adamant about not answering any questions about this promised rework.
Meddler (NA)
: A bit more powerful could be ok, spiking up a lot's concerning though. Looks like there's a bug at present where her passive's getting triggered when it shouldn't. Plan is to hotfix that then see how she's looking.
> [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=EbZiPqnj,comment-id=002b0000,timestamp=2019-06-28T18:00:56.392+0000) > > A bit more powerful could be ok, spiking up a lot's concerning though. Looks like there's a bug at present where her passive's getting triggered when it shouldn't. Plan is to hotfix that then see how she's looking. On a related note, has the bugfix for her Q, which prevents resetting the R by Qing after using R been dropped? It was on PBE a while ago and I was really happy to see that gone, but recently encountered a Diana player abusing that bug in Solo Q.
: > [{quoted}](name=Cameramon,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=000800010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-20T22:57:32.900+0000) > > Actually, thats not what we saw. What we actually saw was that midlane, a lane known for its reliance on XP over gold, was 2 levels behind and no longer capable of catching up. We likewise saw that botlane, a lane known for its reliance on gold over XP, was 40 CS behind, and additionally had lost all turret platings and the turret first blood. > > Quite simple. It comes down to the different purposes between lanes. A solo lane is intended to get a lot of XP quickly, to leverage powerspikes from a champions abilities. A duo lane is intended to get a lot of gold quickly and safely, to leverage powerspikes from items. By turning mid into a duo lane, and bot int oa solo lane, you specifically put them at a disadvantage in the one thing both lanes seek to accomplish. Thats why you automatically lose both lanes. > > And indeed, this is what inevitably happens in 3/4 of the games he plays. Mid and bot lose hard, and the jungle is unable to do anything in either lane. As a result, his team is crippled beyond repair, and their odds of winning fall to the level of playing 4v5. then how does he maintain a 50% w/r on teemo? if in 3/4 of his games he cripples his team
> [{quoted}](name=Master2139,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=0008000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-20T23:31:31.225+0000) > > then how does he maintain a 50% w/r on teemo? if in 3/4 of his games he cripples his team Because he doesnt troll every game. Instead, he plays regular teemo. Whether its top, mid, or support. When playing regular Teemo, his performance is actually quite impressive. He wins a lot. When trolling, he almost never wins. Of course, the quantity of the trolling is far lower than that of the actual games, especially since he only trolls when streamers are in the game.
: > [{quoted}](name=Cameramon,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=000800010001000100000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-20T19:17:43.424+0000) > > Google, as always, is your friend. Not every streamer is going to show up when you google their league name. I'm not going through all that trouble and I'm sure you didn't either. Feel free to submit your list to prove me wrong. :) > > And he plays regular, legit support Teemo. This is the difference between off-meta, and trolling after all. Or did you forget about that fact already? > He played legit support Teemo in 30 games and went 15-15. > That is a poor attempt at dismissing evidence you know you cant beat. So, lets remember what the case is about. Its not about regular Teemo support. Its specifically about "roaming teemo support". Aka sitting in mid/top lane, and leeching exp. Naturally, when you want to check his win rate when trolling (or in your eyes, playing with that strategy), you have to narrow down only those games. You know however, that if you do so, his win rate plummets below the acceptable level. Riot has already openly stated that, after all. So, in a futile attempt to ignore that evidence, you look at all his Teemo support games. Both the ones he trolls in, and the ones where he plays legit. In order to let his actually good performance when playing legit mask the horrible win rate when trolling. There's no evidence. We both know you haven't gone through any games and you have no source. You didn't even realize he only plays Teemo in the support role over his past 30 games....LOL
> [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=00080001000100010000000000000001000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-20T20:47:47.175+0000) > > Nice. You can cherry pick 3 instances where the strat didn't work. This proves ... absolutely nothing. > > I checked its still 15 wins and 15 losses .. not counting one remake :) Well then here comes my simple question. How many examples can you provide of him doing the trolling and it not losing. If I recall correctly, youd have to go through 8 losses of the trolling before you find a single successful case. But no, instead youre looking at all games together. Knowing that the actual evidence disproves your little hypothesis thoroughly. Misleading evidence is all you have. > > Yeah, you went through exactly 3 games where you know the result was a loss...good one. > > Riot support specifically said they were re-investigating Nubrac's situation as well as looking into NB3. > > Why do you think they are doing that? Because there was no "evidence" and they banned Nubrac essentially on the word of NB3. Which is why one game was cited in the report suspension card. If that was the case, why didnt I go through the other earlier losses? Simple. They werent trolling. Those 3 cases are the first cases of him trolling, or as you like to call it, the "strat". But you and I, we both know that. We both know why I looked at those 3 games. We also both know that even if you kept looking, all you would find is overwhelming evidence showing clearly, undeniably, and beyond the faintest shadow of a doubt, that he loses 3 times as often as he wins when trolling. To placate idiots who still try to argue the dude wasnt trolling? There is evidence, I pointed out 3 cases, youre free to look into the rest and find the other 27 for yourself. Also, remember what Riot said. Nubrac already was on their radar since he was reported many, *many* times. All NB3 did was accelerate the inevitable.
: > [{quoted}](name=Cameramon,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=0008000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T19:37:43.797+0000) > > Thats a load of crap. He has 2 variations. Either he plays Teemo support, or he trolls as teemo mid, making sure both mid and bot lose horribly, and putting his team at a severe disadvantage. He isnt supporting mid, he is hurting mid. in the nb clip we saw mid lane was ahead because teemo was there and bot lane wasnt losing that hard either, he isnt necessarily hurting mid lane in most instances of this strategy being executed the lane he is in wins lane because the reason bot lane loses for his team is that it is a 2v1, so if he makes top or mid lane a 2v1 for his side doesn't it follow that that lane would then win? because if not then why does the bot lane lose. The only scenario in which both sides end up losing is if they afk but that is not a good reflection of the strategy more of the players weak will to try out a new strategy that may or may not work.
> [{quoted}](name=Master2139,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=00080001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-20T22:21:06.577+0000) > > in the nb clip we saw mid lane was ahead because teemo was there and bot lane wasnt losing that hard either, he isnt necessarily hurting mid lane in most instances of this strategy being executed the lane he is in wins lane because the reason bot lane loses for his team is that it is a 2v1, so if he makes top or mid lane a 2v1 for his side doesn't it follow that that lane would then win? because if not then why does the bot lane lose. The only scenario in which both sides end up losing is if they afk but that is not a good reflection of the strategy more of the players weak will to try out a new strategy that may or may not work. Actually, thats not what we saw. What we actually saw was that midlane, a lane known for its reliance on XP over gold, was 2 levels behind and no longer capable of catching up. We likewise saw that botlane, a lane known for its reliance on gold over XP, was 40 CS behind, and additionally had lost all turret platings and the turret first blood. Quite simple. It comes down to the different purposes between lanes. A solo lane is intended to get a lot of XP quickly, to leverage powerspikes from a champions abilities. A duo lane is intended to get a lot of gold quickly and safely, to leverage powerspikes from items. By turning mid into a duo lane, and bot int oa solo lane, you specifically put them at a disadvantage in the one thing both lanes seek to accomplish. Thats why you automatically lose both lanes. And indeed, this is what inevitably happens in 3/4 of the games he plays. Mid and bot lose hard, and the jungle is unable to do anything in either lane. As a result, his team is crippled beyond repair, and their odds of winning fall to the level of playing 4v5.
: > [{quoted}](name=Cameramon,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=000800010001000100000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-20T19:17:43.424+0000) > > Google, as always, is your friend. Not every streamer is going to show up when you google their league name. I'm not going through all that trouble and I'm sure you didn't either. Feel free to submit your list to prove me wrong. :) > > And he plays regular, legit support Teemo. This is the difference between off-meta, and trolling after all. Or did you forget about that fact already? > He played legit support Teemo in 30 games and went 15-15. > That is a poor attempt at dismissing evidence you know you cant beat. So, lets remember what the case is about. Its not about regular Teemo support. Its specifically about "roaming teemo support". Aka sitting in mid/top lane, and leeching exp. Naturally, when you want to check his win rate when trolling (or in your eyes, playing with that strategy), you have to narrow down only those games. You know however, that if you do so, his win rate plummets below the acceptable level. Riot has already openly stated that, after all. So, in a futile attempt to ignore that evidence, you look at all his Teemo support games. Both the ones he trolls in, and the ones where he plays legit. In order to let his actually good performance when playing legit mask the horrible win rate when trolling. There's no evidence. We both know you haven't gone through any games and you have no source. You didn't even realize he only plays Teemo in the support role over his past 30 games....LOL
> [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=0008000100010001000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-20T19:28:30.248+0000) > > Not every streamer is going to show up when you google their league name. I'm not going through all that trouble and I'm sure you didn't either. Feel free to submit your list to prove me wrong. :) > > He played legit support Teemo in 30 games and went 15-15. > > There's no evidence. We both know you haven't gone through any games and you have no source. You didn't even realize he only plays Teemo in the support role over his past 30 games....LOL Hm, lets see. Last 30 games period. Indeed, none of the wins were doing the trolling. The losses however tell a different story. Lets go through a couple examples. https://lolprofile.net/match/na/3063225868#Summary. Now lets see. Bot laner behind in CS? Check. Teemo inexplicably killing Neeko at 9 minutes? Check. Its a loss. https://lolprofile.net/match/na/3063204939#Nubrac. Same thing, bot low on CS, mid lane behind in XP, another loss. Oh and you see Yassuo? Yeah. Oh or how about this one. https://lolprofile.net/match/na/3063210813#Nubrac. Quite standard trolling from him. Mid lane far behind in xp, botlane far behind in CS, and its a loss. So, here is an exercise. Go through the same matches I went through, and check which games he trolls in, and how many of them he loses. Youll get the same result I did. But then again, I know you wont. We both know there is evidence. We both know I went through a lot of games (more than I shouldve bothered with tbh) and that the source is solid. You know that youre wrong, but you hate to admit it. He is a troll, Riot specifically pointed out he is a troll, and he got banned for being a troll. I dont know why youre still defending a troll, but its honestly kinda sad.
: > [{quoted}](name=Cameramon,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=0008000100010001000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-20T19:00:11.473+0000) > > Relatively prominent, but yes. His MMR hovers around Diamond 2 to masters. He gets players from all of those areas. Most are not streamers. He regularly gets games that have no streamers in them. I don't have a list I can just go through unless we're just counting major streamers. Do you? > > Ah, but did you forget what I said earlier? He doesnt troll in every game he plays Teemo in. Quite often, he plays regular Teemo, whether its as a support, a top laner, or a mid laner. When doing that, his win rate is quite good. Nope, his last 30 games were all from the support position. > If you want to look at his win rate when trolling, you have to check whether the game he was in was one he trolled in, or not. This is fairly easy to do. Check ADC CS and level differences, and top/mid level differences. When you do that, and narrow down only the games he trolls in, you arrive at my 7-23 games. So you selectively weed out all his wins because he was playing a certain way which may or may not been different than his overall strategy? LOL nah, you're just trolling. Good effort.
> [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=00080001000100010000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-20T19:13:14.117+0000) > > I don't have a list I can just go through unless we're just counting major streamers. Do you? Google, as always, is your friend. > > Nope, his last 30 games were all from the support position. And he plays regular, legit support Teemo. This is the difference between off-meta, and trolling after all. Or did you forget about that fact already? > > So you selectively weed out all his wins because he was playing a certain way which may or may not been different than his overall strategy? LOL nah, you're just trolling. Good effort. That is a poor attempt at dismissing evidence you know you cant beat. So, lets remember what the case is about. Its not about regular Teemo support. Its specifically about "roaming teemo support". Aka sitting in mid/top lane, and leeching exp. Naturally, when you want to check his win rate when trolling (or in your eyes, playing with that strategy), you have to narrow down only those games. You know however, that if you do so, his win rate plummets below the acceptable level. Riot has already openly stated that, after all. So, in a futile attempt to ignore that evidence, you look at all his Teemo support games. Both the ones he trolls in, and the ones where he plays legit. In order to let his actually good performance when playing legit mask the horrible win rate when trolling.
: > [{quoted}](name=Cameramon,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=00080001000100010000000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-20T18:39:19.043+0000) > > Siphoning the XP from the lane where champions go exactly because they need XP more than they need gold? Seems like a rather obvious trolling aspect. > > 1. He doesnt. Take a look at every game he trolls in, and you will find no game without a streamer. Its quite evident, really. It depends on what you consider a streamer. If it's any streamer then sure...good luck popping a queue with 9 other guys in Master MMR where there isn't one. I assumed we were talking about "prominent" streamers. The only thing this proves is Nubrac plays a lot of games in high elo. > 2. I dont know who gave you those numbers, but they were pretty poor liars. In reality, in his last 30 games doing the trolling, he won 7, and lost 23. His win rate is 23%. Now, I should note here, there were 9 cases where I believe he was trolling, but wasnt certain. Of those, he won 3, and lost 5. If we add those, he won 10 and lost 28, and his win rate becomes 26%. He wins a lot less than he loses. Doesn't really match what I've seen. What's your source? Here's mine: https://u.gg/lol/profile/na1/nubrac/overview Make an account and check for yourself he's 15W-15L with one remake in the last 30 recorded Teemo games.
> [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=000800010001000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-20T18:55:33.015+0000) > > It depends on what you consider a streamer. If it's any streamer then sure...good luck popping a queue with 9 other guys in Master MMR where there isn't one. I assumed we were talking about "prominent" streamers. > > The only thing this proves is Nubrac plays a lot of games in high elo. > > Doesn't really match what I've seen. What's your source? > > Here's mine: > https://u.gg/lol/profile/na1/nubrac/overview > > Make an account and check for yourself he's 15W-15L with one remake in the last 30 recorded Teemo games. Relatively prominent, but yes. His MMR hovers around Diamond 2 to masters. He gets players from all of those areas. Most are not streamers. He regularly gets games that have no streamers in them. Ah, but did you forget what I said earlier? He doesnt troll in every game he plays Teemo in. Quite often, he plays regular Teemo, whether its as a support, a top laner, or a mid laner. When doing that, his win rate is quite good. If you want to look at his win rate when trolling, you have to check whether the game he was in was one he trolled in, or not. This is fairly easy to do. Check ADC CS and level differences, and top/mid level differences. When you do that, and narrow down only the games he trolls in, you arrive at my 7-23 games.
: > [{quoted}](name=Cameramon,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=000800010001000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-20T17:28:40.645+0000) > > He *is* trolling mid. Disagree. How is he trolling mid? > > Ah, but that does not contradict what I said. What I said is that he only trolls when there is a streamer in the game. I did not say that every time there is a streamer in the game, he trolls. The point is that his "strategy", which is known to be highly detrimental to his team and almost certain to lose the game, is one he only goes for if a streamer is in the game. If there are no streamers, he doesnt do it. If its supposedly a "good strategy", then why is it he doesnt do it in games with just regular players? This is flawed for two main reasons: 1. There's often a prominent streamer in Nubrac's games. He does do it in games with "just regular players" as well as play other champions when he's playing with "streamers in his game". 2. If it's known to be highly detrimental to his team why does he win exactly 50% of games in his last 30 games of doing it(this is master tier MMR btw).
> [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=0008000100010001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-20T17:40:45.866+0000) > > Disagree. How is he trolling mid? > > This is flawed for two main reasons: > 1. There's often a prominent streamer in Nubrac's games. He does do it in games with "just regular players" as well as play other champions when he's playing with "streamers in his game". > 2. If it's known to be highly detrimental to his team why does he win exactly 50% of games in his last 30 games of doing it(this is master tier MMR btw). Siphoning the XP from the lane where champions go exactly because they need XP more than they need gold? Seems like a rather obvious trolling aspect. 1. He doesnt. Take a look at every game he trolls in, and you will find no game without a streamer. Its quite evident, really. 2. I dont know who gave you those numbers, but they were pretty poor liars. In reality, in his last 30 games doing the trolling, he won 7, and lost 23. His win rate is 23%. Now, I should note here, there were 9 cases where I believe he was trolling, but wasnt certain. Of those, he won 3, and lost 5. If we add those, he won 10 and lost 28, and his win rate becomes 26%. He wins a lot less than he loses.
Meddler (NA)
: Iceboxed for now, not expecting a new dragon type this year at least.
> [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=Ab3z3wLr,comment-id=000e0000,timestamp=2019-06-20T16:25:24.966+0000) > > Iceboxed for now, not expecting a new dragon type this year at least. Can we assume the promised crit rework, making it strictly non-random to prevent problems caused by its status as output randomness, has likewise been Iceboxed?
: > [{quoted}](name=Cameramon,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=0008000100010001,timestamp=2019-06-19T19:36:52.709+0000) > > Quite easy. Look up his op.gg, and check if any of the other players are streamers. Each time he trolled mid, you find there was at least one. At least in the 20 most recent troll games. He's not trolling mid. Additionally, you will find countless games in his match history where there's a prominent streamer and he played Leona or Amumu. Yes, of course, there are some games with prominent streamers where he's playing Teemo support because he streams ten hours a day in Master's mmr.
> [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=00080001000100010000,timestamp=2019-06-19T23:56:20.874+0000) > > He's not trolling mid. > > Additionally, you will find countless games in his match history where there's a prominent streamer and he played Leona or Amumu. > > Yes, of course, there are some games with prominent streamers where he's playing Teemo support because he streams ten hours a day in Master's mmr. He *is* trolling mid. Ah, but that does not contradict what I said. What I said is that he only trolls when there is a streamer in the game. I did not say that every time there is a streamer in the game, he trolls. The point is that his "strategy", which is known to be highly detrimental to his team and almost certain to lose the game, is one he only goes for if a streamer is in the game. If there are no streamers, he doesnt do it. If its supposedly a "good strategy", then why is it he doesnt do it in games with just regular players?
: > [{quoted}](name=Cameramon,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=00080001,timestamp=2019-06-19T16:40:32.897+0000) > > Minor correction. His win rate with the roaming Teemo "strategy" is actually below 38%. His win rate with Teemo is 48%. And thats because when he just plays regular Teemo support (which is off-meta), he does well. When he trolls in games where people are streaming (yeah, he only trolls when streamers are present. Funny, isnt it?), his win rate is almost as low as the win rate of any team that is 4v5. Possibly even lower. Thats how bad the strategy is. His strategy doesnt work, its sabotaging his own team by design. Also, no. By the time Sivir and Irelia afkd, the score was 2-9, the enemies got 8 extra platings, 2 turrets, turret first blood gold, the botlane was 30 cs up and the midlaner was 2 lvls up. The game was more than over, lost entirely by Teemo. well that pretty selective because his strategy is teemo support he just decides which lane needs it most lol
> [{quoted}](name=Master2139,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=000800010000,timestamp=2019-06-19T16:43:41.156+0000) > > well that pretty selective because his strategy is teemo support he just decides which lane needs it most lol Thats a load of crap. He has 2 variations. Either he plays Teemo support, or he trolls as teemo mid, making sure both mid and bot lose horribly, and putting his team at a severe disadvantage. He isnt supporting mid, he is hurting mid.
: > [{quoted}](name=Cameramon,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=00080001,timestamp=2019-06-19T16:40:32.897+0000) > > Minor correction. His win rate with the roaming Teemo "strategy" is actually below 38%. His win rate with Teemo is 48%. And thats because when he just plays regular Teemo support (which is off-meta), he does well. When he trolls in games where people are streaming (yeah, he only trolls when streamers are present. Funny, isnt it?), his win rate is almost as low as the win rate of any team that is 4v5. Possibly even lower. Thats how bad the strategy is. His strategy doesnt work, its sabotaging his own team by design. Also, no. By the time Sivir and Irelia afkd, the score was 2-9, the enemies got 8 extra platings, 2 turrets, turret first blood gold, the botlane was 30 cs up and the midlaner was 2 lvls up. The game was more than over, lost entirely by Teemo. what proof is there that he only does it during other streamers' games? Riot did not provide any and neither has anyone who claimed this it's always "trust us"
> [{quoted}](name=3TWarrior,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=000800010001,timestamp=2019-06-19T16:46:01.144+0000) > > what proof is there that he only does it during other streamers' games? Riot did not provide any and neither has anyone who claimed this > > it's always "trust us" Quite easy. Look up his op.gg, and check if any of the other players are streamers. Each time he trolled mid, you find there was at least one. At least in the 20 most recent troll games.
: Nubrac did literally nothing wrong. This strategy works in his games. His win rate is 48% with the roaming Teemo strategy. Is that good? No. **But it's not trolling.** At high ELO, if he was trolling, he'd a much lower winrate than almost a coinflip. Have you guys actually watched the game? He does not "sit mid," he does not "afk," there is not a point in the game he's not helping a lane. Applying map pressure in all the lanes is not inting. I argue the game was easily winnable if NB3 and Sivir hadn't afked. Why are you banned for roaming Teemo support, but not for afking because you decided that's not how you want to play. It is off-meta, and it is not trolling. Nubrac went in the game with the mindset to win. There's no argument here. Nubrac was trying to win, therefore it's not trolling or griefing. Furthermore, the way he was banned is atrocious and unforgivable in my eyes. NB3 publicly said he could get someone banned for 2 weeks to thousands of people if they didn't play right, and he did. Why? Why is he allowed to instantly essentially access a ban button when he wants to, yet all of us in SoloQ have to put up with actual griefers? NB3 was even bragging about it! How can people honestly defend this? My man got banned for one game where he went 0-2, playing the whole time. One game. Let's say he was inting. Banned for one game? Big name youtubers regularly and openly afk games they don't find winnable with no repercussions. Do you think every person you've played with that decided to int got banned within 24 hours for 2 weeks? No, because you're not a big-name content creator, and you don't have friends in Riot. So you're SOL. Unequal implication of the law is the same as having no laws at all. But no, you're right. Ban any strategy that isn't 1-1-1-2, because that's how we've all decided to play the game. Never allow any different role assignments, picks that don't fit the meta, let's just cement the meta and play the same champions for 3 years until people get bored and move on. That sounds healthy for the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Grahamster00,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-06-19T15:38:32.594+0000) > > Nubrac did literally nothing wrong. This strategy works in his games. His win rate is 48% with the roaming Teemo strategy. Is that good? No. **But it's not trolling.** At high ELO, if he was trolling, he'd a much lower winrate than almost a coinflip. Have you guys actually watched the game? He does not "sit mid," he does not "afk," there is not a point in the game he's not helping a lane. Applying map pressure in all the lanes is not inting. I argue the game was easily winnable if NB3 and Sivir hadn't afked. Why are you banned for roaming Teemo support, but not for afking because you decided that's not how you want to play. It is off-meta, and it is not trolling. Nubrac went in the game with the mindset to win. There's no argument here. Nubrac was trying to win, therefore it's not trolling or griefing. > > Furthermore, the way he was banned is atrocious and unforgivable in my eyes. NB3 publicly said he could get someone banned for 2 weeks to thousands of people if they didn't play right, and he did. Why? Why is he allowed to instantly essentially access a ban button when he wants to, yet all of us in SoloQ have to put up with actual griefers? NB3 was even bragging about it! How can people honestly defend this? > > My man got banned for one game where he went 0-2, playing the whole time. One game. Let's say he was inting. Banned for one game? Big name youtubers regularly and openly afk games they don't find winnable with no repercussions. Do you think every person you've played with that decided to int got banned within 24 hours for 2 weeks? No, because you're not a big-name content creator, and you don't have friends in Riot. So you're SOL. Unequal implication of the law is the same as having no laws at all. > > But no, you're right. Ban any strategy that isn't 1-1-1-2, because that's how we've all decided to play the game. Never allow any different role assignments, picks that don't fit the meta, let's just cement the meta and play the same champions for 3 years until people get bored and move on. That sounds healthy for the game. Minor correction. His win rate with the roaming Teemo "strategy" is actually below 38%. His win rate with Teemo is 48%. And thats because when he just plays regular Teemo support (which is off-meta), he does well. When he trolls in games where people are streaming (yeah, he only trolls when streamers are present. Funny, isnt it?), his win rate is almost as low as the win rate of any team that is 4v5. Possibly even lower. Thats how bad the strategy is. His strategy doesnt work, its sabotaging his own team by design. Also, no. By the time Sivir and Irelia afkd, the score was 2-9, the enemies got 8 extra platings, 2 turrets, turret first blood gold, the botlane was 30 cs up and the midlaner was 2 lvls up. The game was more than over, lost entirely by Teemo.
Trias000 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Cameramon,realm=EUW,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=Wp7AcbG7,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T12:49:21.552+0000) > > Nah, they havent. I checked his records, and yeah, every time he trolled, there was a streamer present. How do his records tell you that he trolled? Did you watch all of his replays?
> [{quoted}](name=Trias000,realm=EUNE,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=Wp7AcbG7,comment-id=00070000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T14:02:00.545+0000) > > How do his records tell you that he trolled? Did you watch all of his replays? Oh its easy. Look at his midlaner and bot laner. Is his midlaner far behind in xp and his botlaner far behind in CS? He trolled. Then check if there was a streamer (there was) and you get a pretty easy pattern.
Trias000 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Cameramon,realm=EUW,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=Wp7AcbG7,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-06-18T00:25:15.682+0000) > > Mind you, he only does the trolling when playing with streamers Tell me you didn't buy that bullshit explanation. Many people already debunked it.
> [{quoted}](name=Trias000,realm=EUNE,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=Wp7AcbG7,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T11:31:40.178+0000) > > Tell me you didn't buy that bullshit explanation. Many people already debunked it. Nah, they havent. I checked his records, and yeah, every time he trolled, there was a streamer present.
hellaOP (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8h9EE9eK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-17T00:43:39.342+0000) > > Um... the other player was streaming too.... It's not like this was a Norms match on a smurf account where he stomped on some average Joe. This was a fellow Master rank player clearly griefing. > > And the fact you can now submit a report ticket via Riot Support helps immensely with the speed of punishments. Nevermind the fact it was a repeat offense over several dozen games. > > You wanna report him for flaming, go right ahead. But Nightblue is not in the wrong for reporting someone else who was breaking the rules. How is getting first blood almost every game and having 57% winrate greifing?he is a great player with some intresting ideas you are a dick rider
> [{quoted}](name=hellaOP,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8h9EE9eK,comment-id=00000004,timestamp=2019-06-17T23:46:44.967+0000) > > How is getting first blood almost every game and having 57% winrate greifing?he is a great player with some intresting ideas you are a dick rider His win rate with Teemo as a whole is 48%, not 57%. His win rate when trolling (or as you would call it, with the "strategy) is *below 38%*. Pretty decisive, dont you think?
Trias000 (EUNE)
: You didn't mention how you reach master by "griefing". I'd really like to know that. Or maybe he's Faker 2.0 and he'd be Challenger rank 1 with 9001 LP if he didn't "troll"?
> [{quoted}](name=Trias000,realm=EUNE,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=Wp7AcbG7,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-06-18T00:02:06.961+0000) > > You didn't mention how you reach master by "griefing". I'd really like to know that. Or maybe he's Faker 2.0 and he'd be Challenger rank 1 with 9001 LP if he didn't "troll"? Oh he did it by playing properly. Mostly Leona and Amumu, if his records are any indication, though its possible that his *regular* Teemo supports win rate was good enough for climbing as well. Mind you, he only does the trolling when playing with streamers, so its unlikely he did it much before he reached masters.
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