Elikain (EUNE)
: Yes, excuse me. I see that you think you're the king of the hill around here. I told you not to make things up or even go by the assumptions of data on other sites that concern Riot - if it isn't source data, it's an estimation. Basing an argument around that is already being on thin ice. >stwawmanning I don't think you understand what this term means. I offered an explanation based on Riot's store front. And i was very clear about that. Perhaps you should reread it but i know you won't. You have cemented your ears shut and are already making weird mouth noises, like a 12 year old child who won't listen to reason. And there's another point from you i forgot to address - upvoting or downvoting people based on their stance. I don't do that all to often. Because i feel like responding to someone is a way better way to communicate my point across or even understand theirs. You clearly don't know how to deal with people who disagree with you because you're ready and waiting to call them trolls and hoping this label will dismiss them. As if. I'd tell you to grow up but i think you are already aware of that fact. Because if you don't, your posts will not be taken seriously.
> I see that you think you're the king of the hill around here. - Never said this. > if it isn't source data, it's an estimation. Basing an argument around that is already being on thin ice. - Never "based an argument", merely provided a link I found interesting. > You have cemented your ears shut and are already making weird mouth noises, like a 12 year old child who won't listen to reason. - Please, stoop even lower. > You clearly don't know how to deal with people who disagree with you - Regurtitate my own comment **(Either he's doing it on purpose, or his discussion skills are so unrefined he doesn't know any other way to "win" an argument.)** directed at **you**, right back at **me**. Real smart, original stuff man. > if you don't, your posts will not be taken seriously. - Wow, am I like, supposed to be scared? Who's trying to play king of the hill now? Anyways, I'm not wasting any more energy typing to you after this comment. Read the definitions of strawmanning, 90% of your comments are the literal definition of it.
Jxg (EUW)
: Your daily reminder that Riot is lying to you repeatedly and Solo Queue will NEVER return
I love it, the more they try to ignore the issue, the more it keeps getting upvoted to the top of their own official forums. Keep it up guys, they've gotta say something about the issue sometime right? > First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. > -**Gandhi** They've already ignored us, they have plenty of **_"I <3 DynamicQ"_** casuals laughing at us. Prepare your rune pages, the fight is almost upon us. {{summoner:14}}
Vistha Kai (EUNE)
: That was exactly my point in mentioning it here.
Oh, my bad, it didn't come off that way before you edited your comment. Glad we agree though. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
MrWasjig (EUW)
: > “I like that you are allowed to queue with any number of people to play ranked”, about 55% of players agreed, 20% were neutral, and 25% disagreed. This is a question that doesn't ask "Do you like Dynamic Q?" If Riot truly wanted to know if people liked Dyno Q they would have outright asked. Does that not ring any alarm bells of suspicion? Instead this has said "Hey people like this one element of this new feature therefore, success" Because we have no other choices, the statistics will obviously be in favour of Dyno Q because there's no alternative. **(At least that's how I see it)** > Riot is a company that is making money off their product so they are inherently evil. And you, the consumer, is always right and represent the good. And you said I was putting my opinion in people's mouths? (Uuuh, people in glasshouses dude.) So we can't be suspicious or cynical at all without being classed as "speaking for everyone"? So I distrust Lyte's statistics therefore "I speak for everyone!"? Feel free to let me know when you're ready to get off that non-sequitur train and we can continue. Good day.
Don't even bother replying to **@Elikain**, I've exchanged a couple comments with him myself, and I think he's just trolling. He keeps taking your words and twisting them to make it seems as if you were defending something you actually never said. In other words; **strawmanning.** http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Strawmanning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man Either he's doing it on purpose, or his discussion skills are so unrefined he doesn't know any other way to "win" an argument. Just keep throwing stuff at people(which they never said or defended) until they get tired of replying to you, and think that you "won" the argument. That's a pretty sad person right there.
Elikain (EUNE)
: It's an article about Riot, not actual Riot's data. I don't mean to be a jerk but that is an estimation at best. That's like saying that the site where you estimate a YouTuber's revenue says they have money to buy a bank, is true. People have said that PewDiePie is worth millions and yet i don't see him living in a mansion. I'm not saying that he isn't well off but he's clearly not that well off. If you want to make posts like these, there has to be accurate data behind the claims, not estimations.
Dude, you're strawmanning. I'm not presenting it as cold hard fact, I'm merely saying it's an interesting article, and trying to explain why I think whales are important in games. > If you want to make posts like these If I **want** to make posts like these, then I **will**. Feel free to disagree and downvote, that's your right, just like it's my right to make these posts and talk about the issues I want with the people who want to talk about them. I'm merely here to discuss and think about things. I'm not witchhunting, I'm not insulting, I'm not breaking rules.
: god will you guys give it a rest? If it comes back then it is back. If not then it is gone. Get over it and let them do their jobs.
No, we will not give it a rest and we will not get over it. That's exactly what they want to happen. That's exactly what they intended when they lied to millions of people month after month telling them it was coming next month, and that it's being worked on and right around the corner. I'd advise you don't get over it either, whether you support the idea or not, a billion dollar company lying and manipulating its customers is not excusable and needs to be acknowledged and dealt with instead of being ignored and hoped that it goes away on its own. Today me, tomorrow you. Stand up for what you believe is right or the next time when it's **you** that's the one getting fucked over, no one will be there to lend a hand.
Vistha Kai (EUNE)
: The other question was, "_Do you consider Dynamic Queue a good addition to the game? Y/N_". My opinion? It wouldn't be bad as an actual "**addition**".
**"Addition to the game"** is different than **"replacement for a core system."** So that's a leading question as well.
Elikain (EUNE)
: It's funny that you say that. The game that doesn't require of you to pay a dime to play or even progress in it, survives on people who willingly pay them money. That player pool is extremely small and don't think they alone cover enough expenses to keep Riot and their entire network working. It's like you're saying these people alone are so rich that their pocket change to Riot is 100k a year, per a "whale" player. Get me some real facts, instead of talking like that.
We can't, because Riot doesn't release official numbers on these topics. Not that they are obliged to or anything, but still. I expanded more on why I think this way on [this comment here.](http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/IRcVXOZy-some-thoughts-on-dynamic-queue-as-a-true-solo-player-since-day-1?comment=00220000) The article claiming 0.15% of players bring in 50% of the revenue is quite interesting.
: Hello Nagma! I don't actually have any confirmation on what our plans with Solo queue are. The best place to go for information on that is [this Boards post here](http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/riot-official/6WuZKauE-new-champ-select-update). As for your opinion on Dynamic queue, we really want to hear your feedback. Join the discussion on the other thread; let us hear your thoughts so we can improve the game for everyone, be they fans of Solo or Dynamic. :)
20 days man... Even now the front page of your own official boards is churning with [discussion about the topic](http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/IRcVXOZy-some-thoughts-on-dynamic-queue-as-a-true-solo-player-since-day-1).. Partly because the topic is now banned on reddit (censorship OP), but go figure, the reddit mods don't want to deal with the backlash of Riot's actions. Seems like the only parts of your boards you guys use are the Memes section and report a bug section. Like **just one comment** on any of the several posts would do so much to reassure people. "An announcement will be made within a day/week/10 days." "We're currently evaluating the topic internally guys, don't worry we're not dead." Is that **so** hard? I know, you deal with bugs, you probably have nothing to do with the ranked systems or anything, but **20 days** of radio silence and this is the **first** red comment I've seen even **daring** to mention Solo/Dyna Q. It's really really frustrating being ignored.
: Link to Korean video and translation?
The video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivn02gibWQ8&feature=youtu.be&t=32m31s And the reddit thread with a rough translation: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4dwkar/official_riot_temporarily_put_a_hold_on_solo/
: > [{quoted}](name=Chocolate Frog,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IRcVXOZy,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2016-04-10T22:32:55.744+0000) > > - If no Solo players are playing, 4-man premades can never be matched up, the whole concept of Dynamic Q goes out the window. You know,just because 4 mans wouldn't be possible(and I agree with you that they wouldn't) doesn't mean the whole concept goes out the window,2,3 and 5 mans would still be theoretically possible(but not really,actually only the 5 mans would work). Anyway I agree dynamic que and solo que wouldn't work,and I agree riot knew this from day 1 and decided to lie about it,I just don't like this argument: 4 man's not being an option isn't that big if an issue,it's just that 2s and 3s wouldn't work either,the whole thing relies on solos to work.
I should of worded that better. What I meant by "Dynamic Queue goes out the window." is that Dynamic Queue **as Riot has designed it** wouldn't be possible. They would need to make changes, revise it, do work to make it compatible with 2,3,5 man premades only. This would effectively mean Riot admitting they messed up, it would mean them taking a backstep on their whole vision for Dynamic Queue and the **"play with friends mentality"** they seem to be brute-forcing. We all know it wouldn't be technically complex, in fact, didn't Dynamic Queue crash shortly after launch, and NA players were reverted back to the old Solo Q for an hour or 2? Technically, it's just flipping a switch. It's the theoretical part which is causing problems.
mogonk (NA)
: Man, I thought [my thread about this](http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/5E4pnUW5-why-there-will-never-be-a-ranked-solo-queue?show=flat&page=2) was the final word on the topic. I was wrong. Great post summing up the larger issues at play and why having Solo Queue in the game actually matters A LOT. Big ups. But I stand by what I said in that post. I agree 100% with your reasoning for why Solo Queue should exist. But it's not going to happen.
Just read your post, and it was quite insightful. What I have to ask though is, do you believe these social players (or casuals as I call them) are more profitable for Riot in the long term? I don't have any degrees or research in the area, but just through my own experiences and information I've come across myself on the internet, it seems as if the hardcore playerbase (or the whales) are very crucial in the survival of free to play games like this. I summed up this, and why I won't be purchasing RP anymore in [another comment here.](http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/IRcVXOZy-some-thoughts-on-dynamic-queue-as-a-true-solo-player-since-day-1?comment=000200000000) Catering to social players is great, in the short term. But those same players are going to be the first ones that jump ship when another promising game rears its head. I feel like Riot is shooting themselves in the foot here, is Dynamic Q really more important than your game's whales? Here's an [article related to what I mean](http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/03/01/why-its-scary-when-0-15-mobile-gamers-bring-in-50-of-the-revenue/#6f9975401ad8), where they claim 0.15% of users bring in 50% of the revunue. We don't know the numbers for League of Legends of course, but I believe that the same principle would hold true seeing as League of Legends also has microtransactions.
Akeydel (NA)
: Here's an alternate perspective which I think might help. >we saw a Rioter saying that he feels as if they've lied to the players. The reason said Rioter feels guilty is because they **DID** promise SoloQ. But it wasn't an executive decision to scrap it, one that they lied about for months. It was a slow realization that, simply because of the nature of the two, "**SoloQ is not possible with DynamicQ**", one they came to after spending 3 months trying to figure out a solution. By the time the New Champ Select Update came around, they fully understood the situation and wanted to let the community down easy. (I imagine the backlash would have been much worse it the update had said "we can't do SoloQ, deal with it") There still might be a solution for people who want to play against only solo player ever. But I very highly doubt it.
I appreciate your optimism, but please don't tell me that the developers of a **billion** dollar game company did not know this from **day 1**. - Dynamic Q allows for queueing of up to 5 people. - Solo Players have absolutely zero incentive to play Dynamic, they have none of the rewards(hextech, IP bonuses etc.) and they have none of the advantages ( voice comms, familiarity with teammates play styles), while they recieve the full unpleasantness of being forced to play with and against premades, so I think it's fair to assume that if Solo Q exists, no solo players will play Dynamic Q. - If no Solo players are playing, 4-man premades can never be matched up, the whole concept of Dynamic Q goes out the window. They say; "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." I find it impossible to believe billion dollar developers could be that stupid. That's why I believe it was a lie, and that they never intended to release Solo Q in the first place.
shyv (NA)
: they're not deaf, people make a million posts a day asking for solo q, they know we want it. they just don't care. pushing social play brings money in. people have more league friends, they buy gifts for them, they get excited about new skins together, they want to match skins with their friends. these are all things that have encouraged me to spend money on the game before. and i didn't mind it. i liked playing normals with my friends, getting a full pool party team together, buying my friends skins and cute icons and stuff. it was fun. but now i don't spend money on the game. the RP that i have in my account is the last RP i will ever buy. or at least until this shit gets fixed. which it won't, because riot only cares about money. if you think they aren't listening, do more than just make posts on the boards which they can easily ignore. stop spending money on the game, encourage your friends to stop spending money on the game, stop playing ranked if you really hate it that much.
Yep, I've also put a hold on my RP purchases for now. Free to play games like this survive on **whales**. Those guys who have like 5 skins for each champ, the ones who instantly purchase every new bundle, the ones who mystery gift everyone to get the exclusive summoner icons. And guess how many of those whales are SoloQ enthusiasts? I used to be [one of those people](http://i.imgur.com/5EDiI13.png), and up until today, I never really regretted that decision. If not on League, I would have spent that money on something equally as frivolous to entertain myself. Like, I **want** to throw my money at Riot, but they are making it extremely difficult for me to do so.
: You did it riot, you made me put away my wallet to your business.
I'm not even mad anymore. I'm just sad, very disappointed and frustrated. They pretty much just lied, led us on and now they're in the phase of crushing all hope before finally officially announcing SoloQ is dead. Quoting from reddit user /u/baberg; > I've copy-pasta'd this a few other places, but it's important to keep this in mind when you trust anything from Riot with regards to Solo/Dynamic Queue > * January 19th, Riot Lyte said "a few weeks after the season start" [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/41njpt/the_2016_ranked_season_updates_on_dynamic_ranked/)) * February 4th Riot Lyte updates it to "a month or two" [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/443wxg/riot_lytes_update_on_solo_queue/)) * March 3rd, a Tweet from @RiotSupport said it was "a month and a half" away [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/48ydr1/solo_queue_confirmed_notscrapped_supposedly_1_12/)) * March 22nd from Riot Socrates, it became "...we're concerned about the impact solo queue will have on matchmaking as a whole, and we’re assessing how to best proceed. Once we've fixed match times and position selection, we’ll have a better update on other queues." [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4bil21/new_champ_select_update/)) * And in a reply to that March 22nd post Riot Socrates confirmed (emphasis mine): "We'll be honest: **there's definitely a world in which solo queue doesn't return**, but we'd rather keep it on the table as we work through these issues before making a final decision." [Source](http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/riot-official/6WuZKauE-new-champ-select-update?comment=0037)) The disappointing part is that they had **absolutely** no interest in releasing SoloQ at all. Just think about it, Dynamic Q **cannot** survive without solo players. 4 man premades will never find a match, and the other premades will end up waiting **staggeringly** long queue times because there are no solo players to fill in the gaps. No one can tell me that the devs of a billion dollar game company are **too stupid to not realize this from day 1.** They just lied and led people on in the hopes that it would blow over.
Rioter Comments
: I think toxic gameplay should be handled more strictly.
Some of the most toxic people I've come across didn't talk a single word all game. I had an anivia support once that maxed her wall, and every single time we would start fighting in bot lane she would wall behind me so I couldn't get away from my enemies. This was quite a long time ago, but as far as I remember we had a jax, some strong AP snowbally mid, me(vayne) and some other guy. The other guy went afk out of rage when anivia continued walling us when the teamfights started. She would just drop the wall and seperate one person causing him to get collapsed on, that's when they started believing me that I was telling the truth about anivia trolling. =D We actually went on to win that game, me, Jax and the snowbally mid. Anivia got bored of trolling us, called the enemy noobs for not being able to finish 3v5 and went afk as well. I think it was a Katarina. Not sure though. The first and only time I won a 3v5. The memories the trolls imprint on us...
Rioter Comments
: "I didn't see that VU coming." or Nobody Expects the ChampUP Inquisition!
I would be so happy as the owner of every single {{champion:81}} skin if he were to get an update. I love playing with them all including base skin, but his running around flapping his arms, his E making him look like he just fell down and his auto attack animation(excluding Pulsefire) looking like he's pointing fiercely at something instead of firing a magical blast makes me sad.. {{summoner:3}} He has so much potential and his new splash is so cool too ! Rito pls, {{champion:81}} deserves better and he's waiting for your magical touch. =)
: Morg is still an effective MID
Man you could take Morg top or jungle and still make it work. The amount of cc she has along with the huge ass hitbox of her Q and the uniqueness and invaluability of her shield makes her one of a kind in this game I think. Morg OP guys <3 {{champion:25}}
Icebolt (NA)
: I miss the patch previews.
Man this was so cool. It was nice getting information on why the changes were made from the game designers. I wish they would have continued doing this.
Ypherion (NA)
: Preseason 2015 Q&A [Completed]
About the preseason; Will the ranked games we play during this time effect our MMR/placement matches when the season starts again ? For example if I was to go on a wild winning spree and climb up from Gold MMR to Plat MMR, when the season starts again, will I be placed against Gold players or Plat players for my placement matches ?

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