Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: March 15
Hey Meddler, I recall you mentioning that you were considering some ARAM-specific balancing of champions to reduce the prevalence of dominant champs like Ziggs and Lux in team compositions. Can you tell us any more about what kind of timescale we are looking at for such changes?
: Aurelion Sol
I've been saying this for years. For some reason, the player base have just convinced themselves that Sol is like some galaxy-sized omnipotent god when nowhere has Riot claimed this. In fact, his story doesn't make sense if he's that powerful. It only makes sense if he is small enough to fly the skies of Runeterra, naive enough to be fooled by the Targonians, and weak enough to be imprisoned by them (and humiliated by Zoe). He may create stars, but nowhere is it claimed he makes them with a snap of his fingers. More realistically, he gradually nurtures a star into being over many centuries (which is why he is so heartbroken when the Targonians destroy one of his stars).
: > [{quoted}](name=Crow Nebula,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=WERstcR9,comment-id=0001000200000000,timestamp=2019-03-03T14:03:43.778+0000) > > I wouldn't read too much into promotional art. That's a stylization rather than a depiction of "reality", just as Veigar in this promo art is the size of a mountain: https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/veigar-color-story/ Well considering it's a feat he's shown repeatedly he'd need to be atleast large enough to create a small star within the palm of his hand so it's probably the closest thing we have to a canon hight so far
No, that would make him too big to occupy Runeterra. The glowing ball in his palm need not be an actual star; it could just be an ember that will eventually form the core of a newborn star.
: > [{quoted}](name=Crow Nebula,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=WERstcR9,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2019-03-03T12:52:09.594+0000) > > Can you provide a source for Aurelion Sol being "bigger than galaxies"? Because everyone always says this, but I've never found any official material from Riot that actually claims this. In his color story, Sol is small enough to fly through the skies of Runeterra without causing alarm, and he even remarks that the sun disc is massive, which means it must be bigger than he is. Based on his depiction in that story, he seems more like the size of a jumbo jet than an entire galaxy (which would just be stupidly OTT, imo). Could be massive based on the things he's seen humans build. Also in terms of size I can't say anything about being galaxy sized but in his Trailer we can see that his Hand alone dwarves the mountains of Runeterra so there's at least that.
I wouldn't read too much into promotional art. That's a stylization rather than a depiction of "reality", just as Veigar in this promo art is the size of a mountain: https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/veigar-color-story/
Rioter Comments
: {{champion:136}} He is bigger than entire galaxies, he can create stars, he is more powerful than we can imagine. He's Zoe's puppy
Can you provide a source for Aurelion Sol being "bigger than galaxies"? Because everyone always says this, but I've never found any official material from Riot that actually claims this. In his color story, Sol is small enough to fly through the skies of Runeterra without causing alarm, and he even remarks that the sun disc is massive, which means it must be bigger than he is. Based on his depiction in that story, he seems more like the size of a jumbo jet than an entire galaxy (which would just be stupidly OTT, imo).
Naalith (NA)
: I'm guessing he means Volibear isn't cosmic horror in the "official" definitive sense. As I understand it, true cosmic horror is completely non-understandable and basically the threat cannot be overcome because it's so incredibly powerful and ancient. Lots of Lovecraft-inspired things take a lot from the visuals, but at the end of the day there is some way to stop the threat at the end which is unlike Lovecraft's original work. One of the only big "victories" in Lovecraft's work is that they run over one of the monsters with a yacht and it temporarily knocks them out for a while or something, but they can't permanently be killed. It sounds like Volibear's morphing and overall demeanor are supposed to be horrifying, but true cosmic horror in League would likely require a god born with the universe like Aurelion Sol but malicious, evil, and bent on breaking mortal minds. Volibear is locked to Runeterra, is extremely powerful, but is not so powerful that he could never be truly defeated. It sounds like Ornn already beat his ass a few times, and if all of Runeterra were to be destroyed which is feasible the demi-gods who live there would be just as screwed as everyone else as far as I know. However, Swain's quote for Aurelion does hint at Aurelion having "siblings" of some variety and if the Watchers ever get out and attempt an assault on the universe so they can have nappy time that would probably be close to cosmic horror, so maybe we'll see it in the game one day.
True cosmic horror should not contain anything "evil" or "malicious". The actual point of cosmic horror is that it contains threats that are utterly beyond human comprehension, and therefore not subject to trivial human concepts like evil.
: By that logic, if the writing team learned how to code, they could join the balance team, and fix champions much faster.
> [{quoted}](name=Chromatic Eagle,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=3xLpEqie,comment-id=0004000100020000,timestamp=2019-01-17T22:50:17.778+0000) > > By that logic, if the writing team learned how to code, they could join the balance team, and fix champions much faster. Sorry but that's a moronic comparison. Writing stories for alternate universes utilises the same skillsets (and therefore the same human resources) as writing stories for canon universes. Coding doesn't.
: Separate writers, separate resources. Skin lore will never impede or “slow down” development of main-canon lore. And yeah, Eclipse/Coven is uh... requested a lot. A whole lot.
By definition, the fact that you're working on alternate storylines when you could *potentially* be working on the main storyline impedes the progress of the main storyline. If Riot had the good sense to assimilate your team into the main storyline team, you'd collectively be able to flesh out the canon lore at a faster rate.
Meddler (NA)
: What are your concerns with this approach?
I think many of us would like to see Sol completely overhauled. Of course, there are a vocal minority of die-hard Sol players who are adamant that nothing about Sol must be changed, and they will probably downvote this post, but the truth is, Sol's kit is fundamentally awkward and boring, with limited options, little interactivity, and no ability to make flashy plays. Circling an enemy while your stars repetitively bump into them is just not an exciting way to score a take down. It's a shame because Sol is visually and thematically one of the most appealing champs in the game. I only wish his gameplay reflected the fantasy of controlling a celestial god-dragon rather than a hula-hoop dancer.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: December 12
Hey Meddler, could you please tell us what buffs you have planned for Aurelion Sol?
Rioter Comments
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: My humble cover of Neeko's theme with piano & violin ≧◡≦
Incredible. Sent shivers down my spine. You have extraordinary talent.
I7A6X2v2 (NA)
: {{champion:58}} ?
Crocodiles may be reptiles, but they are certainly not lizards. It'd be like me asking for a cat champion, and you replying with {{champion:75}} .
: This makes me kinda disappointed about what Neeko could have been
Yup, I've been waiting for a proper lizard champ for years now, and when I heard Neeko was a chameleon, I was so happy, and thought I'd found a new main. Then I saw that she was yet another cute anime girl wearing a few minor reptilian features like fashion accessories, and, well, I've never been so disappointed to see a new champ.
: next champion vs champion event prediction
{{champion:126}} {{champion:112}} This is a perfect time to do this as Viktor is currently one of the most popular champs, and both he and Jayce are in need of a legendary skin.
: What is the song on the PBE launcher log in screen right now?
: The teaser. Isn't it some male dude with a flower in his hair?
> [{quoted}](name=Witchy Wench,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RwBrOdg9,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-11-19T13:41:00.102+0000) > > The teaser. Isn't it some male dude with a flower in his hair? No. It's a generic anime girl with a lizard tail called "Neeko". https://i.imgur.com/RfmRA2j.png
: So the new mage champ is a dude and not female? wtf
How did you come to that conclusion?
: I hope the new mage is a male
In the Brazilian champion roadmap, the new champ was referred to as a "maga", which is the feminine form of mage. So, it's highly likely to be a female.
: Anyone else want another reptile champ?
This is what I want more than anything. I wrote a thread about it a while back. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/kbcqOLTc-a-distinct-lack-of-reptilian-champions
: My kneejerk reaction to the 'Shield Bash' rune in the 8.22 PBE Cycle.
Bultz (NA)
: Aurelion Sol needs to be changes
Riot really dropped the ball when they gave such a cool character such a boring and awkward play-style. Ghostcrawler wanted to rework Sol but he chickened out after the small but extremely vocal Sol player base screamed at him to keep things as they are, even though Sol is one of the least popular champs in the game, and has so many ways that he could be made more fun and less matchup-oriented.
DeusVult (NA)
: Patch 8.21
What makes me laugh is that they claimed that buffing Aurelion's HP regen by 0.1 would help out new players. As if regenerating 1 point of HP every 10 seconds would make any difference whatsoever. I can handle that Riot suck at balancing; they're just average human beings after all. But what I hate is when they insult our intelligence with the most stupid excuses for their changes.
: Can There Be Another Ultimate Skin?
If there's one character who suits the theme of having multiple forms over time it would be Viktor. I'd love to see a Glorious Evolution Viktor, in which he pursues his fabled quest for perfection in real-time.
: > [{quoted}](name=Crow Nebula,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kbcqOLTc,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-10-18T12:24:10.585+0000)A number of those are incredibly dubious, e.g. Fizz is an amphibian, and Rek'Sai is just a void creature. That's fair -- those two are borderline. The others, however, I don't think are, and I'm skeptical of an argument that says "League doesn't have enough Reptile-like-champions in the SPECIFIC WAY I WANT THEM TO."
> [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kbcqOLTc,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-10-18T12:29:07.790+0000) > > That's fair -- those two are borderline. The others, however, I don't think are, and I'm skeptical of an argument that says "League doesn't have enough Reptile-like-champions in the SPECIFIC WAY I WANT THEM TO." My argument is that we don't have any wholly reptilian champions other than Renekton (even he is a human who just looks like a reptile, but I'll let that slide). - Kled is the champion, not Skarl (unlike Nunu and Willump, who are given equal weighting) - Shyvana is half-reptile - Cass is half-reptile - Aurelion is not a reptile (he says himself he's not actually a dragon)
: * Renekton * Cassiopeia * Rek'Sai (she's basically a void-altered reptile of sorts) * Aurelion Sol * Shyvana * Kled (Skarl) * Fizz (More Salamander-esque) Also, the Vastaya come in more forms than mammalian, as Rakan/Xayah show us, which makes it seem like if you were going to add more reptilian characters they'd likely be Ascended or Vastayan.
> [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kbcqOLTc,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-18T12:05:57.589+0000) > > * Renekton > * Cassiopeia > * Rek'Sai (she's basically a void-altered reptile of sorts) > * Aurelion Sol > * Shyvana > * Kled (Skarl) > * Fizz (More Salamander-esque) > > Also, the Vastaya come in more forms than mammalian, as Rakan/Xayah show us, which makes it seem like if you were going to add more reptilian characters they'd likely be Ascended or Vastayan. A number of those are incredibly dubious, e.g. Fizz is an amphibian, and Rek'Sai is just a void creature.
geeklove (NA)
: Oh sorry, I usually play as King Rammus. Armadillos are lizards, therefore reptiles.
> [{quoted}](name=geeklove,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kbcqOLTc,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-18T12:18:18.770+0000) > > Oh sorry, I usually play as King Rammus. Armadillos are lizards, therefore reptiles. Armadillos are lizards? I'm going to have to assume you're trolling...
geeklove (NA)
: {{champion:136}}dragon {{champion:102}}dragon {{champion:33}}turtles are reptiles
> [{quoted}](name=geeklove,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kbcqOLTc,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-18T12:03:54.093+0000) > > {{champion:136}}dragon > {{champion:102}}dragon > {{champion:33}}turtles are reptiles - Sol is more of an alien than a reptile. He says himself "They call me dragon... they have no words for my true form" (or something like that.) - Shyvana, fair enough, she's another 0.5 reptile. - Rammus is not a turtle.
Rioter Comments
: Can we talk about the incoming update to Runes?
I really don't like the idea of stat bonuses. They are not going to offer players any meaningful choices. Burst mages will always max AP/CDR, ADCs will always max attack speed, tanks will always max Armor/MR/HP. In short, it will end up like itemisation currently is - just one viable setup per champion. I don't get why Riot feels the need to keep adding shallow layers of complexity. They make the game more complicated without actually increasing the tactical choices. If Riot wants to give players actual meaningful choices, they should shelve these bland stat bonuses and instead work on expanding the range of runes and items.
: WOW Rito did you just stealth NERF Worlds 2018 Pass token grind?
Woah, this is beyond slimy. I was considering buying a Worlds pass, but now not only will I not buy one, I don't think I'll buy anything from Riot ever again!
: Champions that require to hit a single ability to finish you off are extremely frustrating to face
You left out the biggest problem of all: {{champion:53}} His Q is death.
: Seriously, Riot we need more Ezreal tier VGUs.
I'd add {{champion:112}} to the list. He looks plastic instead of metal. Also, {{champion:99}} is drab as hell for a "lady of light" and could use a makeover (and pls fix her goofy head-bobbing run!).
im small (EUW)
: Who else could use an Ezreal style VGU?
The ones that I think have the most room for improvement visually, without requiring a full VGU, would probably be Viktor, Veigar, Caitlyn, Kassadin, Xerath, Janna, Orianna, Lux, Sivir. Meanwhile, Blitzcrank, Rammus, Fiddle, Nocturne, Cho'gath, Shaco, Pantheon, Udyr, Volibear, and Malphite need complete overhauls both visually and mechanically, so for them I'd like to see a full rework.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: September 19
Hi Meddler, Any thoughts on Aurelion Sol? I remember you (or maybe Ghostcrawler) saying a while back that you were considering improving his "feel". He feels so boring to play, because 95% of his damage comes from his W, which is extremely uninteractive, consisting of little more than just gradually chipping away the enemy's health bar by hovering around the vicinity. His reliance on W also means that he only has one path of progression throughout the game - always levelling W first regardless of the tactical situation. His monotonous playstyle is a big reason why he's one of the least played champs in the game, despite being aesthetically high concept (sassy cosmic god-dragon). Maybe you could give him more options in his playstyle by having his Q scale in power as well as size as it travels. This could open up a high-risk/reward "kamikaze nuke" option that would fit his comet thematic, offer more tactical diversity, make levelling his Q and E as viable as levelling his W, and above all add some much needed fun to him. (Obviously, to compensate for this change, he'd need a very slight nerf to his W.) What do you think?
: DJ Viktor please
I'd much rather they updated his horrible base model than gave him a new skin.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: September 12
Hi Meddler, Any thoughts on an update to Aurelion Sol? I remember you saying a while back that you were considering it. He feels so boring to play, because 95% of his damage comes from his W, which is extremely uninteractive, consisting of little more than just standing in place while you gradually chip away the enemy's health bar. This monotonous playstyle is why he's one of the least played champs in the game, despite being an awesome cosmic god-dragon. Maybe you could give him more options in his playstyle by having his Q scale in power as well as size as it travels. This could open up a "kamikaze nuke" style that would fit his comet thematic and add some much needed fun to him. (Obviously, to compensate for this, he'd need a very slight nerf to other abilities.) What do you think?
: Doesnt he have like a 53% winrate right now
It doesn't matter, they could nerf his W to make up for buffing his Q.
: He would be also nerfed because he will kill any minion instantly. Also doing that, you force him to burst rather than duel other champ via W.
Thing is, duelling people using W is monotonous and boring as hell, which is why Aurelion is one of the least played champions in the game. Allowing him to kamikaze nuke would offer more variety to his play, opening up new tactics, giving him some much needed fun, and making him feel like an actual cosmic god-dragon.
: What champion, in your opinion, is always great on the enemy team but terrible on yours.
: Preseason Development Update 1
I really don't like the idea of stat bonuses. They are not going to offer players any meaningful choices. Burst mages will always take AP/CDR, ADCs will always take attack speed, tanks will always take Armor/MR. In short, it will end up like itemisation currently is - just one viable setup per champion. I don't get why you feel the need to keep adding shallow layers of complexity. They make the game more complicated without actually increasing the tactical choices. If you want to give players actual meaningful choices, then shelve these bland stat bonuses and instead work on expanding the range of runes and items.
: Fantastic Karthus Characterization
But since this is a story for a skin line, it's not canon. Right?
WarWork (NA)
: How do you guys feel about Yordles currently?
They're basically just miniature humans at this point. Riot hasn't made any effort to give its non-human beings any distinguishable non-human ethno-cultural traits.
: Anyone have any Skins that they think should have chroma's and haven't yet?
Zoli Ben (EUNE)
: @Reav3 What would you say on a Kassadin Malzahar dual VGU in the very far future?
Kassadin vs Malzahar would be cool, but Viktor vs Jayce would be even better.
: I feel like fiddle sticks could potentially be the best rework Riot's ever done.
I'd much prefer it if he was a demonic being from another world, disguised as a scarecrow, rather than yet another ordinary guy who became something inhuman due to some quirk of fate. We already have a million of those.
: Why does noone talk about just how horrific the darkin truly are?
Please don't ever describe Varus' story as Lovecraftian ever again. A story in which the power of love can hold back evil is the very opposite of Lovecraftian. On topic, most people don't find the Darkin lore that horrific because it's been done a million times before. Possessing other people's bodies and sending their souls to hell are two of the most tired horror tropes there are.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Well vastaya can have aspects of pretty much any animal,so there are likely some reptilian vastaya as well.
Thing is, Vastaya are part human. I'm kinda getting sick of humans; as you mentioned, many of the non-human characters have been retconned into transformed humans. I'd like there to be some truly inhuman races/cultures, as I feel they are essential to expanding the scope of Runeterra.
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