: > [{quoted}](name=Crystalysk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E1tWaBwR,comment-id=000800010001000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-25T05:11:55.272+0000) > > I played those games and I came here because I have lost so many because of that that I'm sick of it. > > Dodging doesn't ruin any game. > > And last, I don't queue for ranked queue to lose the game. I want to win and I should be given the most highest chance at winning and if you are autofilled ADC and do not say anything, 99% the times you ruin the game and make your team lose. It's almost like you are griefing. > > People who don't care about winning should just queue for normal games. i can see you only care about winning and nothing else. so i am just gonna stop trying to get through your thick skull and thicker ego.
I mean, fun is subjective. I have fun when i play a champion i like. I have even more fun when i play a champion i like and win! Maybe you don't find it funny, respectable! I wonder if you are gonna play a game where someone locks in Ghost/Cleanse Nunu mid or if you dodge it. To me dodging seems the proper answer to that and to me autofilled ADC is worth a dodge too. It will save my time and worthless stress i don't need and i'm allowed to do it! That has nothing to do with my head nor my ego!
: > [{quoted}](name=Crystalysk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E1tWaBwR,comment-id=0008000100010000,timestamp=2019-09-25T01:55:45.598+0000) > > I mean, I have lost my past games where I have had autofilled ADC. did you actually play the game or did you dodge when you had autofill ADC? > > Also if they say it right after we get in champion select they don't waste any time. I don't wait until everyone has picked before dodging. then play around them. if they won't act as supportive teammates then they don't need your help. > I can barely play a game or two every day so I kinda want to enjoy them instead of trying to play a game that is most likely going to be a 4v5. then don't fucking dodge. if you want to play then fucking play. don't worry about anything other than playing. do not worry about winning, losing, champ comp, none of that crap. > > But ok, I'm the asshole, not the guy who is not communicating and going to lower our chance at winning the game. by dodging you ruin the would be game for the other 9 players who probably don't even care about winning or losing and just want to play. > > If someone is autofilled and more specifically autofilled ADC and they don't say anything then they are basically assisting the enemy team. they aren't supposed to say anything. only reason autofill is selected is because they don't care where they go. whether that is because they can play every role or want to have fun i cannot say.
I played those games and I came here because I have lost so many because of that that I'm sick of it. Dodging doesn't ruin any game. And last, I don't queue for ranked queue to lose the game. I want to win and I should be given the most highest chance at winning and if you are autofilled ADC and do not say anything, 99% the times you ruin the game and make your team lose. It's almost like you are griefing. People who don't care about winning should just queue for normal games.
: > [{quoted}](name=Crystalysk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E1tWaBwR,comment-id=00080001,timestamp=2019-09-24T02:30:43.547+0000) > > I rarely dodge a game, even when people pick shit that isn't going to work like nidalee mid I still play the game but this is legit something that loses you the game 99% of the times and sorry but I'd rather dodge than wasting 20 minutes and take the stress of an unwinnable game do you have proof that it is unwinnable solely off the champ comp? no. you don't. champ comp means very little. you could have a {{champion:11}} jg who feeds his ass off in one game to a {{champion:99}} adc who carries the team to hell and back in another. if you judge solely off of champ comp then you're gonna be dodging more often than actually playing. there is more bad than there is good, if there is any good to it. you still lose MMR, LP, ranks, ego, whatever. you're being an asshole to the other 9 players who actually want to play. and and you'll get a dodge timer that increases with each dodge. you're better off playing the game. so that 2 of the 3 are negated (dodge timer and being an asshole). though seeing as you play to win you probably don't give a fried fuck about the other 9 players and think your MMR is more important. but you're gonna lose that either way so it is just a matter of do or don't you want a dodge timer?
I mean, I have lost my past games where I have had autofilled ADC. Also if they say it right after we get in champion select they don't waste any time. I don't wait until everyone has picked before dodging. I can barely play a game or two every day so I kinda want to enjoy them instead of trying to play a game that is most likely going to be a 4v5. But ok, I'm the asshole, not the guy who is not communicating and going to lower our chance at winning the game. If someone is autofilled and more specifically autofilled ADC and they don't say anything then they are basically assisting the enemy team.
: Funny. If they're a jungler who refused to gank for the pushed in botlane, and instead farming top to GANK top, thanks for the free drakes. And dive we do on bot. And LP. Find a new role to play if you refuse to gank bot even if they're behind with an infernal drake up. This makes me think that my opponent jungler is autofilled rather than their bot.
Listen friend. I think you misunderstood and probably need to read my post again. I've never said I don't gank botlane, i actually said that I'm forced to spend more time there instead of top side. I said I don't want autofilled ADC in my games because this meta forces me to play around that role as a jungler and autofilled ADCs will lose you the majority of the games. I think my 60% winrate in jungle is fairly good and I don't think I need a new role, but thank you! I actually find more funny the fact that you are shit talking me from an alt account!
: downvoted. i can see right off the get go you're one of those dirtbags that dodges when something is not going your way > so if nobody can swap role with you i'll just dodge. who gives a flying fuck if they have autofill ADC? it is just a role. if you don't like it then don't help them but dodging is just being an asshole to the other 9 players. and the only thing you get from it is a saved ego with a side of dodge timer.
I rarely dodge a game, even when people pick shit that isn't going to work like nidalee mid I still play the game but this is legit something that loses you the game 99% of the times and sorry but I'd rather dodge than wasting 20 minutes and take the stress of an unwinnable game
: > [{quoted}](name=Crystalysk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E1tWaBwR,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-23T17:35:52.755+0000) > > Please just say it in champion select, so if nobody can swap role with you i'll just dodge. > > I don't mind autofilled Top/Jungle/Mid/Support but if you get autofilled ADC it's just a nightmare and the game is 99% lost because this meta forces me as a jungler to play more bot side and almost ignore the top side of the map and i don't wanna waste my time trying to get ahead someone who can't play ADC properly and will probably just do nothing with the lead they are given. > > ADC is not a role for everyone, it's not as easy to play as people think. > > > Sorry i don't have time to check OPGG of all players every game. You should be bot side as a jungler ESPECIALLY if your red side is on the same side as bot. Red side is worth more gold and exp, + turret plates, + two potential kills, +dragon = hard carry tf out of a game. The fault not lay with auto-filled ADCs the fault lay with the fact that Rito, for whatever reason, decided to so heavily stack red side and introduce a hyper-gank meta. Almost everything wrong with this game can be directly linked to a fundamentally broken jungle. This video will give you a comprehensive understanding as to why the jungle is broke. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eLBgmDblHs
I have never said it’s their fault being auto filled, it’s a legit random mechanic. But it’s their fault if they don’t say anything and make the game unwinnable just because they didn’t type anything in champion select. ADC has a very high impact on the game out come right now. Just say it, not everyone is a dick head. Some players still know how to behave and how to make games more winnable starting from champion select. If we can’t come to a swap of roles then i’ll Just take the -3 LP.
: out of curiosity, why don't you hardcamp toplane (and maybe some mid) when you have an auto filled adc? if it's a bruiser or fighter they'd basically become an adc. just not a ranged marksman.
Camping top is just bad in this meta. Even if you get slightly ahead the enemy will come out with a fed {{champion:145}} or {{champion:498}} and good luck at taking them down with just a bruiser. You can't ignore 4 enemies and go straight for them.
: You know. This is why boards confuses the shit out of me. It’s a 50/50 split of top laners crying that they get ganked constantly, and junglers saying they have to camp botlane.
You don't camp botlane, you still need to pressure other lanes somehow, warding for them or help when they need to reset the wave and back. You don't sit bot for 10-15 minutes straight. But right now we win most of the games through botlane. Toplaners who come here and cry about getting camped are those who die at 2:45 from an obvious gank most junglers try after they clear top side if they are red team, then they tilt and chain feed because they have 0 wards nor map awarness and they can't even track enemy jungler possible pathings. If a jungler camps top he is either bad or he just has very good mid and bot that can win the game for them. Camping top usually equals to lose the game right now. You will never see a good toplaner die at 3:00 and complain about that gank because they know they fucked up.
: How to have fun playing this game
Just don't bring your 22% win rate in ranked queues. It might be fun for you but it won't be for 4 other players.
: I always just tell them to pick their main. I love off meta, so I don't mind at all if someone wants to play a bruiser or a mage or an assassin with me. I'd prefer supporting a Zed main over a first time Twitch.
Worst case scenario they pick Ezreal and just be useless all game.
Rioter Comments
: Brand mid help?
Brand mid kinda sucks because basically all midlaners out range him and have better wave clear. Keep playing him there if you are having fun but it is something i would not recommend right now and i don't think you can do anything against a good Yasuo besides fighting him when his windwall is down and away from your wave of creeps.
: Ummmm DID YOU PLAY ORNN ONCE? WHEN HE WAS OP SINCE I DID AND IT WAS FUCKING DISGUSTING!!! He could do 40% max health damage with just his w and passive , like e Knockup late game and about 50% of your hp to gone to a fucking tank. He could do that while having a shield that made in really strong in trades because it give him safety especially when he couldn't get cced. Like ornns early game was not bad. He also made his team scale better, while also being super tanky and getting more damage from armor and mr. He also has really good cc, I think ormn should be buffed but it should be a revert to his w range.
Don't forget he doesn't need to recall to buy, so he gets to pressure the enemy for free
: Kha'Zix's R Evolved
When you evolve R it also increases the stealth duration to 2 seconds. The 3rd charge is really good itself as well since it's another free passive proc.
: Renekton can make Jax obsolete and can dive Jax level 6 easily.
Yes, I do. You don’t need to dive him full hp, just get few Qs off and bait his E by just walking towards him then you can legit dive him as Renekton. EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sERvNIJNaOU Look at this 2 Jax mains and come here and tell me Jax is good into Renekton.
: > [{quoted}](name=Crystalysk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7amR3hgW,comment-id=0001000200000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-21T20:57:41.805+0000) > > I don’t main top, I play it sometimes and I have never had a problem laning into Jax. Maybe it’s just me but there are so many champions in this meta doing good into Jax. > > Also, TFB is really good, not gonna lie on this but he is legit asking for jungle babysit every single game. > > People complain about Jax when I think there are champions more problematic than he is. > > Jax is strong but has a lot of bad match ups or skill match ups. I can’t think of many good match ups for Jax in the current meta. Cuz he used to get stomped early then turn into late game hypercarry but after the buffs he stomps everyone at every stage
You can still stomp Jax in lane or at least delay his powerspikes by a lot of time.
Rαy (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Crystalysk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7amR3hgW,comment-id=00010002000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-22T00:22:55.080+0000) > > Kinda wanted to give the guy something to complain about. > > I mean, he thinks Jax is good into Renekton. > > Riven will be back at destroying Jax after nerfs revert Renekton falls off a fucking cliff and is nothing but fodder to Jax later on while he's not able to kill a good Jax in lane, but w/e.
Renekton can make Jax obsolete and can dive Jax level 6 easily.
Rαy (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Crystalysk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7amR3hgW,comment-id=000100020000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-21T23:36:32.930+0000) > > {{champion:266}} (before getting gutted this patch){{champion:84}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:68}} win lane into Jax unless they fuck up or he gets jungle assistance. > > {{champion:92}} {{champion:23}} kinda are skill match ups, both can win and lose and depends on who fucks up the most. > > {{champion:157}} this guy is not good top lane. > > Irelia is one of the few easy match ups for Jax, that's why TFBlade complains about it. While I disagree that the champs you mentioned automatically win lane vs him, why shouldn't bad matchups be justified for a champion that scales super hard into lategame like Jax? He wins far too many lanes for being the lategame monster he is. TF Blade complains about Jax, because he can't lose games on him and dives his opponent 24/7.
They win lane if they don't fuck up or Jax doesn't get any help from his teammates. This is obviously considering that both players are equally skilled. And no, a challenger player that has lets say 10 games on darius against someone like TFBlade on Jax is an exception because we are talking about someone who is probably autofilled against someone who has mastered Jax and is probably best solo queue toplaner in the world right now. Something like this doesn't count. Countless of times i have seen TFBlade falling heavily behind on Jax against those picks. It's just that in his elo people can try to stall and after he gets items then he becomes usefull. It also helps that he knows how to play when he is behind. Like some other people said SoS is his main problem but if he falls behind he is legit shit and feels awful to play.
Hi im 12 (EUNE)
: saying that riven and trynd are skill matchups is not even funny, a riven should never fucking lose lane to jax, same for trynda but its not as face roll in his favor.
Kinda wanted to give the guy something to complain about. I mean, he thinks Jax is good into Renekton. Riven will be back at destroying Jax after nerfs revert
Rαy (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Crystalysk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7amR3hgW,comment-id=0001000200000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-21T20:57:41.805+0000) > > Also, TFB is really good, not gonna lie on this but he is legit asking for jungle babysit every single game. I mean, he still rarely gets any (meaningful) ganks, because toplane gets ignored in this meta and he usually starts asking for them as soon as the pressure he draws himself results in him having to 1v4 their top, jungle, mid and support, because people know he's TF Blade. > [{quoted}](name=Crystalysk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7amR3hgW,comment-id=0001000200000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-21T20:57:41.805+0000) > > I can’t think of many good match ups for Jax in the current meta. Autohit reliant champs like Irelia, Trynd, Renekton and Yasuo are pretty good matchups. Some tanks like Ornn also have a hard time dealing with his Conqueror sustain in all-in trades. He destroys Sylas as well due to that reason. The only champions able to smash him in lane in my opinion are champions that win lane vs ANY melee toplaner (Kennen, Quinn, Vayne). Maybe Illaoi, because holy shit Illaoi.
{{champion:266}} (before getting gutted this patch){{champion:84}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:68}} win lane into Jax unless they fuck up or he gets jungle assistance. {{champion:92}} {{champion:23}} kinda are skill match ups, both can win and lose and depends on who fucks up the most. {{champion:157}} this guy is not good top lane. Irelia is one of the few easy match ups for Jax, that's why TFBlade complains about it.
Rαy (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Crystalysk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7amR3hgW,comment-id=00010002000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-21T19:22:19.391+0000) > > If you watch his stream I think you know he literally complains about every champion he fights top or in general. He legit lives to complain about champions or his junglers I do know that. Doesn't mean his complaints aren't justified. He might nag a lot, but his game sense is pretty insane. There is a lot to complain about in the game right now to be fair.
I don’t main top, I play it sometimes and I have never had a problem laning into Jax. Maybe it’s just me but there are so many champions in this meta doing good into Jax. Also, TFB is really good, not gonna lie on this but he is legit asking for jungle babysit every single game. People complain about Jax when I think there are champions more problematic than he is. Jax is strong but has a lot of bad match ups or skill match ups. I can’t think of many good match ups for Jax in the current meta.
Rαy (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hi im 12,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7amR3hgW,comment-id=000100020000,timestamp=2019-09-21T19:12:25.679+0000) > > could I get a link on that? He does it all the time while abusing him or getting smashed on Irelia. Watch his stream once in a while and you'll come across him complaining. I don't have a clip of it.
If you watch his stream I think you know he literally complains about every champion he fights top or in general. He legit lives to complain about champions or his junglers
: > [{quoted}](name=Crystalysk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1zIKEB3r,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-20T21:39:50.026+0000) > > Yeah lets go back to over 9k armor Poppy. > That sure was hella fun, right? I'll take it over everyone dying in 1 second
Two wrongs don't make one right though. That meta was as fun as this, legit shit.
: THIS is what a team fight should look like....
Yeah lets go back to over 9k armor Poppy. That sure was hella fun, right?
Jøkèr (NA)
: Get rid of promo games.
The problem is that when you promote lets say from gold 4 to gold 3 and you get an afk in the first gold 3 game you play and that makes you lose and demote too you feel like: why do I even try. I think like having a demote series would kind of help so the moment you have 0 lp you have a 3 game series so if you actually lose the first one but win the other 2 you can stay in your division instead of demoting with your first game at 0 lp
: > [{quoted}](name=Crystalysk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ENh4h2pZ,comment-id=000900000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-19T17:26:36.004+0000) > > I guess you do not realize the chaos that change would make. It will not take 2 patches to fix the mess it would create Since when do the people who make this game care if a change throws the game into chaos? Runes reforged, pre/mid season patches, and so forth.
If they cut 10% damage across all game, game will be unplayable for lots of patches. Just because they made mistakes before it doesn't mean they should make even more. Two wrongs don't make one right
: Lol, better than your logic: That wont work>It wont work>you suck With out any explanation of why YOU THINK it wouldnt work. Fact: Your Opinion is NOT facts
If something is objectively wrong and I told you why I think you got my explanation. They can balance the game if they want starting from where the game is right now. They don't need to make it worse before fixing it. Your suggestion is objectively wrong and would make this game even worse and even harder to balance. You said I didn't explain why it wouldn't work but I told you why they can't do that, you just refuse to accept that the solution you proposed is just bad.
: No I fully understand. It wont be bad at all. If every one is hit by a damage reduction it may hurt some more than others. But thet can be fixxed some simple # tweaks
By your logic: Balance sucks>make it worse>fix it Doesn't sound smart to me.
: And that is fine, reduce all damage by 10%, and adjust accordingly after a patch or 2. You have to start some where. And the change is super easy to do. Like I said one person could do it in a day.
I guess you do not realize the chaos that change would make. It will not take 2 patches to fix the mess it would create
: Agreed it be pretty easy to do in 1 patch as well. Since all you are doing is changing values it's easy to change the code. 1 person could literally do it in a day. Change all Damage values by 10% and round down to the nearest 0 or 5. Easy.
Do people still believe that cutting 10% damage from everything will work? You can't nerf 10% damage across all champions, this should be simple to understand. No wonder Rioters do not take the board seriously. Your suggestion is so wrong and would make the game even more unbalanced than it is already. If you nerf all champions damage by 10%, some will get hit harder than others and then you will need to balance all those champions again
Jadiac5 (EUW)
: I totally agree with that, I would like to have some of the engagers buffed, but as it seems riot doesnt really want their play percentages to really go up. As it is now teamfights really are hard for Evelyn players since this is the cc meta and they stun you in an instant when they see you. Then youre dead and its a 4v5 if you havent killed someone before you died.
There is something even more annoying and it’s when you are ready to flank the enemy team and your engager just waits for you to kill someone instead of going in and create some chaos to make your job easier. Then they proceed to spam ping you because you couldn’t 1v5
Jadiac5 (EUW)
: yes this is really one point I did notice as well, that you rareley have many champions in team that can follow up really quick, but most of the time you can profit from a champ that has a root stun hook pull or knockup, thats why ganking botlane is the best thing to to right now if they dont play xayah & rakan cause that shit is way to broken.
You can gank anywhere but at 15 minutes into the game people already group, especially into Evelynn or champions like Talon/Rengar that can just farm the enemy split pusher if they are fed. People group more and start sieging or forcing 5v5 around objectives and if you don't have an engager and you are playing Evelynn then good luck unless you have flash you can't start the fight because they will just insta kill you with a single CC. It's like starting a 5v5 as Yi, you simply can't go in until all CC spell are down. But recently nobody plays good engager anymore
Jadiac5 (EUW)
: You start killing people with just Q and E when you have an about 2 level advantage and one or two item advantage. Late game you fall behind becuase there are much more teamfights and its hard to pick out champs while thats goin on, you only get to kill them either way before the teamfight to get the odds in your favor, or after the fight to finish thos who ran back with low hp.
The amount of games you have 1-2 items advantage is really little and she sucks late game right now because the team usually lacks of an engager in this meta so you can pretty much wait until everyone on your team dies or make a play every 5 minutes when you have flash
Madjack01 (EUW)
: This buff seems to me like a pat on the head for low elo players like me while not changing much for the pros. Unlike what you mentioned I rarely get to kill anything with just q and e, hence probably why I'm considered a scrub. So this buff helps me a lot. Maybe that was Riots intention? I don't know.
You don’t kill people with just Q and E unless you are extremely far ahead or very late in the game and 1v1. Late game though you can just kill any squiscy with E and R for a much quicker execution. If the enemy team is good they kill you during your Q animation so you drop it like you do with W mid game. If your are against good players you are pretty much useless late game unless you have flash up to gap close before they can see you.
Jadiac5 (EUW)
: Dear Riot I´d like to talk about Evelyn for a second
Because it's a legit meaningless buff that changes almost nothing about her. Eve mains probably didn't even notice this buff, except they probably see their champion banned more than before.
: Kha'zix may look intimidating but really all you need to do it be near other players, red wards, and sweeping lens with some cc and he's pretty much done if you can cc him while his e is on cd you pretty much destroy him with your team. try and get your team to be aware of kha'zix his early game is weak so abuse it, put wards in river its where you will see him most of the time like other junglers when scuttle is up, people love to nag kha'zix to gank early so if he does set up a counter gank and shut him down, if he's behind go with your jg to counter jungle him and steal his camps he can't do anything about it. (cc is his biggest weakness) but that's just my experience i'm a silver kha'ix main but it should somewhat help with higher elo kha'zix's {{champion:121}}
In what world is Kha Zix weak early game?
Saezio (EUNE)
: Yeah of course. I am just saying that metaphor's 98% or whatever it was means absolutely nothing. He could have done it with shaco I bet, who is so not OP right now, or talon Jungle or something. Stats in masters+ don't lie though.
I think he would have gotten much lower win rate with those champions. He didn’t even play Eve much on that account even though he is one of the best high elo Eve players and she is pretty good to stomp low elo. Kha Zix simply has insane early and mid game while still being decent late game, there is no better assassin to play in the jungle right now. He is also more versatile, since he is decent in poke comps as well
Saezio (EUNE)
: You can't really judge a champion based on how high winrate someone can get when playing bellow their skill level. I am pretty sure metaphor could get similar win% with other champions as well. It's just the nature of assassins, if you play them really well vs inferior opponents there is no counterplay.
I think we can agree that a champion that has almost 15% pick rate and almost 52% win rate in masters+ is a little too strong? It's not just Metaphor stomping low elos, Kha Zix got overbuffed recently when he didn't need any buff.
MagicLance (EUNE)
: Riot Games Going Downhill/// Season 10 /// Player Experience
You know that 1st point is impossible as premades could abuse that just to bully people even if X guy didn't say anything wrong.
: > [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6F8NWBs3,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-09-18T09:14:37.767+0000) > > Rengar not really. > > Kha'Zix yes. Maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but I at least remember rengar being strong somewhere between 2014-2016 in pro play, and in LCS. If that was the only time he was viable, then I concede.
I think he was played when there was that feral flare meta
Saezio (EUNE)
: You are right.
{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Saezio (EUNE)
: ***
What are you even saying. You still max Q on Ad/on hit TF. If you don't know don't give wrong tips.
: Is Ekko most fun champ in this game?
You know that what is fun for you could not be fun for others, right?
: Its very fun to play League of better jungle wins
three winning lanes not being able to beat 1 winning jungler sounds like a legit bad macro players
: Considering you're using the term "hypocrite" wrong, I'm guessing you probably don't know what you're talking about. Then again, between Iron and Diamond the common complaint is that most players suck ass at this game so I'll just take it with a grain of salt. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Damn you basically said you suck yourself at the game and actually think you mastered Azir in 3 games. That's some sort of contradiction.
: "that champion's limits" has nothing to do with the champion and everything to do with taking advantage of bugs and unintentional mechanics which tbh is a coinflip. You can definitely master a champion in less than 5 games. This game isn't difficult, and if you think so that may be an issue with you and your demographic alone. When Azir first released I played about 3 games with him and got bored because he was kinda basic. "Hard to play champions" aren't hard to play at all, if you know how to play the game. Same can be said for every champion. You just need to play this game longer if you think otherwise.
Yeah, I don’t believe you know how to properly place your soldiers nor how to shurima shuffle perfectly in 3 games. That is just you being hypocrite. If you don’t know a champion limits then you can’t say you have mastered it
: Not really? {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} People try to make this game and these champions seem like they take 2000 IQ to learn and master, but tbh if you're anything like the average ***good*** player and understand the basics of this game, you can learn a champ after like...5 games, and that's just being generous. Champs aren't that difficult to learn.
Sure, maybe they don't take 100 games to learn but you need to consider that champions that are hard to play and have many micros to master do not take 5 games to learn them. Then on top of that you have to experiment how you can play different match ups and it's not something you learn in a mere 5 games. If you really think you mastered a champion like Azir in 5 games you are just a fool and you will get stomped by a skilled player. The average good player sure understands what a champion can do on paper but he doesn't know what that champion's limits are and it's not something you can understand in 5 games.
: > [{quoted}](name=Crystalysk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9EZEdsMi,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-09-14T12:44:28.427+0000) > > Eve is extremely bad if your team is bad. You can't stop people invading you and the enemy team always collapse first, give up all scuttles and can't 1v1 meta champions pre 6. > > Lee Sin is good because he is a strong 1v1 duelist even pre 6 but at the end of the day both of them are extremely bad at 1v5 so if the enemy team groups early, which it should be the case if they are winning lanes, then you can just watch them end the game when you can actually do almost nothing except maybe trading your life for one of them if you are lucky, but then if your team is bad it straight loses the 4v4 anyway. The point is that they can impact losing lanes because of how effective their early game is. Whereas no other junglers can do anything about losing lanes, or unaware laners, except watch them lose, and as a result-lose themselves. Maybe not Eve, idk if her buffs came with this patch or the upcoming patch-but once those buffs hit, she'l be there with Lee, if she isnt already. or, maybe just Lee, in which case. Thats why noone wants to jungle, because Lee is the ONLY viable solo que jungler.
Lee can help losing laners early game, but if your team has really weak lanes and they get pressured/killed and you are playing Evelynn then you are pretty much gonna get invaded and collapsed often putting you behind because your team can't or don't want to help. On the other hand it's much harder to invade a Lee Sin. If you play Eve and your team is bad then it's going to be extremely hard to help them, unless the enemy team is just trying to farm KDA and not using their lead properly. In the current meta Eve has the worst early game where she can't kill anyone 1v1 unless they are already half HP.
: There are only like two jungle champion options that have impact in the event that their laners are terrible. Laners are usually horrible, so unless youre playing Lee or Eve, its likely youre going to have a really bad time. So people dont really play the role right now.
Eve is extremely bad if your team is bad. You can't stop people invading you and the enemy team always collapse first, give up all scuttles and can't 1v1 meta champions pre 6. Lee Sin is good because he is a strong 1v1 duelist even pre 6 but at the end of the day both of them are extremely bad at 1v5 so if the enemy team groups early, which it should be the case if they are winning lanes, then you can just watch them end the game when you can actually do almost nothing except maybe trading your life for one of them if you are lucky, but then if your team is bad it straight loses the 4v4 anyway.
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: like, what champ is her kit not perfect to play into? (Provided she builds to 1v1 that champ obviously) I will wait
I mean, i felt like the guy's comment had some sarcasm in it implying the Zed was bad. Maybe i was wrong but i wanted to explain how easy is for Kai'sa to duel Zed.
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