Eedat (NA)
: On a completely unrelated note: new Vayne skin on the PBE Lol
> [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WlqLIxol,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-09T22:09:26.525+0000) > > On a completely unrelated note: new Vayne skin on the PBE > > Lol If people get pissed enough to demand a hotfix nerf, the skin sales will be much lower. I'd recommend to follow the example of our newest addition to the champion roster and start yelling at rulling class (or in this case, Riot).
: Can you guys PLEASE nerf damage, since it's 2019 now?
But boards told me that late-game doesnt exist anymore and all games are resolved in about 20 minutes, what's up with that? Who should i believe? People who say that early champions can't manage in late game fights or people who say that there's no such thing as late game and early champs just stomp everything? {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
AICMan (EUNE)
: Racism even in a video game
Prejudice based on country of origin is called xenophobia not racism. Stop shoehorning this term everywhere like the braindead sheep who overuse it on every occasion.
: 2018 Lore Tournament - QUARTER FINAL [3/4] : The Eye in the Abyss vs Where Icathia once stood
I'm sensing a glorious duke-it-out between Noxus and Icathia in the finals. It was obvious for a long time that Noxus was objectively best lore-piece of all the regions, while Where Icathia Once Stood is the best singular story. Let's just hope for close finals.
: It could happen! I suspect for development reasons, it would be easier for LoL to make a new Champion _inspired_ by Maalcrom than him personally. (Meaning if they don't make exactly him-- they have more leeway with silhouette, gameplay kit etc...) That said, we are riot. Anything is possible. And these sorts of posts absolutely raise awareness that players would like Grena or Maalcrom as playable champs. And its only by saying loudly -- "Make Maalcrom playable!" That papa rito will hear you.
> [{quoted}](name=WAAARGHbobo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EY77nwq8,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-12-20T22:23:38.061+0000) And its only by saying loudly -- "Make Maalcrom playable!" That papa rito will hear you. Does it mean that if i shitpost long enough you will give Marcus/General du couteau an actual story?
: Friendly reminder
I made something similar a while back on my alt account https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/dmJmKc2j-so-hows-that-noxus-lore-going-riot I promise to do more of these, against my own better judgement and good taste.
: They certainly put a lot more time into the art than you did into this shitpost.
> [{quoted}](name=N1C Jeddy017,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=mmV3yifx,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-12-19T21:25:50.923+0000) > > They certainly put a lot more time into the art than you did into this shitpost. Jokes on you I had to sit for like 5 minutes trying to come up with something adequate, which is more or less equal amount of time a professional artist needs to draw a low-on-details face. Maybe 10 if they're not used to the character yet.
: What specifically, do you think would be different? What makes it East/West?
> [{quoted}](name=Cid Thrash,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=oafpGEsJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-14T07:01:40.844+0000) > > What specifically, do you think would be different? What makes it East/West? If I give examples of game mechanics and systems more prominent in either of the regions, mods would insta-gib me for being "stereotypical and racist". You literally can't say "Asian players like faster games" without somebody doing his/her best to read it as something political. It's like we're living in Orwell's 1984 but without the comfy commie-block scenery
: 2018 Lore Tournament - 7th December: The Black Powder Plot vs. Human Blood
Epic story centering around one of key characters in lore as a whole, presenting him as not only a huge badass but also a magnificent and fearsome leader who strikes fear in his enemies and joy in his comrades **OR** Random crazy bushwoman doing random jungle things with an oversaturated "humans are bad lol" theme attached Yeah no this matchup is basically bulling
Ralanr (NA)
: I wanna talk about league champion diversity (and I am prepared to be downvoted)
Since the topic of Neeko and the way Riot presented her to us was grind to the ground by a lot of people already, in this thread and others alike (me including), I'll focus instead on not her exclusively but the topic as a whole, giving you my point of view as somebody who's knowledge is only anecdotal and who has no interest of engaging in a topic like that in the first place. Diversity, be it in media, games, books (and basically anything ever) should never be considered good "just because". Your book/show/game/whatever does not (or at least, in my opinion, should never) automatically get better if you shove things diverging from already present ones. Since this is a forum centered around a video game, I'll use all my next argument games in mind, but do remember that it would just as easily apply to other forms of not only artistic expression but real life occurrences as well. Your game does not magically get better if you put a character of different sexuality than the ones prior. Diversity for diversity's sake is a hilariously bad concept. As a game dev, you should aspire to make a good character first, before making a good lesbian/gay. If your character's sexuality is somehow important to that character's history, believes or personality, do go for it as much as you want. But if it's added just on top of a character, without any particular reason except for media's brownie points, you've clearly done a shit job as a developer. A game can never "lack" a character of particular gender, race or sexuality. How shallow must one's thinking be to so boldly assume that. Were Witcher games somehow worse due to lack of important black characters? Absolutely not, because character's race gender appearance and many other things like that should only come second, after fleshing out that character's personality and history. Would they become better if there was an another good character that was also black? Yes, because there would be another good character, not because there was a black one. As a creator of literally anything, only diversity you should be worrying about is the diversity of thought among you and your peers. Everything else is irrelevant. Also, for the love of satan, please stop mentioning Kai'sa as if she was some sort of stupid mistake by Riot, them going back to their old, misogynistic ways. That way of thinking is broken as all hell for ways people much more eloquent than me explained already, perhaps not in this thread but in many others.
: Alright...so this is somehow punishable now?
**5 minutes before deleting the post OP made, in Boards moderation HQ** A conversation between some moderators [names redacted] Moderator A: *"Man i sure do enjoy unfairly deleting reasonable posts people make just to sate my unhealthy desire to control everything around me as a way of hiding my crippling insecurities*" Moderator B: *"Same my dude"* Moderator C: **Walks in** *"Gentlemen we have a problem, some guy is making a valid statement about us abusing our moderator privileges by unfairly deleting reasonable posts people make just to sate our unhealthy desire to control everything around us as a way of hiding our crippling insecurities "* Moderator B: *"wow rude"* Moderator A: *"We can't allow this to continue, if people realize that instead of making a good moderation job we're just continuing to unfairly delete reasonable posts people make just to sate our unhealthy desire to control everything around us as a way of hiding our crippling insecurities we'll all be fucked. Let's ban him so he doesn't think like that again"* **Post gets deleted** Moderator A: *"oof, crisis averted. Now boys, why don't we go bowling as a way of congratulating ourselves for a job well done?"* Moderator B: *"You have cash? I thought we were doing the moderation thing for free."* Moderator A: *"We don't talk about this"*
: > [{quoted}](name=ExpStealer,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=rLxavEXW,comment-id=0001000000020000,timestamp=2018-12-01T13:51:36.089+0000) > > Better hide because horny downvote squad is coming for you xD > > I mean, I wouldn't care all that much if only a few champions were sexualized, but the way it is right now, boob plates, heels, perfect and scarless faces and what not glare at you from every corner. But to be fair, LoL has kept it civil. Check out Mu and TERA and you'll see how awfully bad it can be. lmao you do know that boob plating is traditional armor right? Riot didn't invent it. it's not there to show she has curves and boobs but maybe I dunno it functions like an armored bra. I'd like to see you try stuffing anything bigger than a B-cups in normal male plate armor. I've played tera, in fact I played castanics in tera and I know how bad it got (nothing but literal strings and underwear armor) but Tera is an M rated game that can appeal to the audience with a whole class that wears skimpy. Tera also had humans and elves that wore leona-like heavy armor. You act like boobs= OVERSEXUALIZEATOINGOANIGBPMA like god forbid a character show a v-neck. Even then there are plenty of champs that aren't sexualized (vayne, riven, kallista- wait boOb arMour-, Vi, any yordle, karma, sejuani, fiora, diana, etC) too, but you probably focus on the top 5 complaints of ahri (kumiho- basically fox succubus), evelynn (succubus), MF, katarina (an assassin that needs light armor) and janna ( a wind sprite)
Castanics are chad race of choice. Valkyries have top tier aesthetics too. https://my.mixtape.moe/odirhr.jpg
: Well, I can’t refute any of your listed points because their opinion based. On a moral level I disagree, but nothing I say is going to contribute or take away soley on those grounds. Just understand I personally value modesty and think it is something I wish applied to all champions. Disagree as you wish. However, I will say this is a very toxic way of presenting an argument. If you want to refute someone, do it with respect and hold yourself to a higher level. Ever sentence I read felt demeaning and hateful, not thoughtful and clever. Arguments should be presented like they were given by and targeted towards adults, not on the level of school ground bullying. I actually would say this towards the opposition in the comments as well. Just because I agree with you does not mean I condone the harassment and persecution of others. Baseless accusations and sarcasm are the tools of children, not that of an informed adult.
I believe I made clear how much of a non-serious post this is in it's very first line, where I was being very clearly ironic. I hardly care about creating meaningful long-standing discussions about worldviews and politics. I just disagreed with points made in the post I'm "criticizing" so I made this thread as some sort of a response, not to actually get an answer from the person who made the original post but to (at least i hope it to) get some smirks from people who'd enjoy that type of writing. If people want to seriously discuss stuff in the comment section, all the power to them. On the side-note, I personally believe that one could make valid arguments as easily with that type of cheeky sardonic writing as with long walls of text explaining every detail of the argument. Whether I made a good job in doing so I'll leave for commenters to discuss
: ˝_I don't really understand how that could be an issue if it's just one of the selling points (of any product for that matter). And I can't really think of any game that's main appeal isn't already it's sexy visuals that would do so to the extend you're talking about_ ˝ What part of archetype character is Kai'sa again? Hermit or Victoria's super model? I think a shirtless muscle warrior is a bitter selling product than a armored one. Look at old spice commercials for example.
Girl in a combat-suit aka Samus Aran archetype. >sex sales gee wiz captain obvious
: There's no way when you battle monsters, under-ground ( no exposure to sunshine), living off rotten stuff and lack of sleep,someone would look like that. Her cheekbones should look more flat and her face starved) , bangs under her eyes with a much grey-er skin tone. Why ... Why would she care about make up? She's someone who's experienced the terrors of void invasion,survived against them. Obtaining make-up is something she doesn't care for. There's 0 reason for her to use it.
>surviving through tough shit means you no longer care about your looks ...what?
: So, why aren't Garen,Darius,Swain,Vlad or Ez shirtless? I would fap to that. Let me guess? It wouldn't make sense?
: I mean, I do agree that it's good to have a variety of body shapes represented, but ya... sexualized content(male and female) is generally a selling point in most games.
I don't really understand how that could be an issue if it's just one of the selling points (of any product for that matter). And I can't really think of any game that's main appeal isn't already it's sexy visuals that would do so to the extend you're talking about
: I might have missed something,but wasn't Kai'sa's argument based on her super model face rather than her V-neck? Like,how does someone who survived under ground battling the terrors of the void, eating rotten fruit and loss of sleep, looks perfect and even has make-up? Sex-appeal is ok if it doesn't contradict a character. It works for MF,Evelynn,Ahri,Elise but not really for Kai'sa and Cait.
As far as I understand, Kai'sa was always meant to be a character who managed to get through high dangerous environment unscathed. As a "survivor", but not the Bushman trooper type but the kind that manages to remain in looks and character unchanged by the place he/she was trapped in. She can have supermodel face all she wants, really, void doesn't particularly has to have anything to do with the way her face looks. If anything, makeup is a much better argument since it's not really realistic for void to have makeup lying around, although considering that we see Kai'sa as she has already been for some time away from void, we can safely assume that she got her hands on it in that time.
Myrmiron (EUW)
: I suggest you remove the politics, else this will get deleted very quickly.
> I suggest you remove the politics, else this will get deleted very quickly. I can't explain the background of "it's current year" argument without mentioning the fact that it's used by people during politically heavy discussion. Mods would show their massive lack of understanding the difference between mentioning/explaining something political and delving into a political discussion itself. Im not discussing politics, only explaining something that's used in discussions about politics
abca98 (EUW)
: The problem is that sometimes what could make a interesting character is replaced with "there you go, fap to this" and I think that's a lame way to appeal to the audience.
I believe it's more like: "Here, take this cool character with a cool backstory. Also, you can fap to it. Neat isn't it?" than what you said.
: I really don't get the "Its 2018" argument. A lot of things are idiotic in this year not all things are good.
"it's 2018 so we need to be progressive" "It's 2018 so we need to be inclusive" "Classic female beauty model in MY 2018??? Outta ma face wit dis shit fam, gimme dat overweight lesbian bit*hes" Things like that, among others.
Kersi (NA)
: Its only a buff if you allow him to proc both stacks of Klepto after using an ability and if that's what you're doing no wonder you lose. lmao.
Kersi (NA)
: All of these are very much beatable. Viktor was already nerfed, anyway, so I mean at this point its a personal issue if you can't deal with them.
Major yikes. Viktor was literally buffed this patch with Clepto changes. Whatever slap on the wrist they did to him directly did absolutely nothing to lower his stupidly strong status.
: When I first made this post earlier today, I was reading through some extremely homophobic messages on the boards, with things along the lines of 'it's not natural so it shouldn't be in League' or 'RIOT are just pandering to special snowflakes'. The definition for homophobia is - 'The homophobia definition is the fear, hatred, discomfort with, or mistrust of people who are lesbian, gay, or bisexual.' The sheer number of people complaining about her having flirtatious lines towards other women, when so many of League's previous champions have flirtatious lines towards the opposite sex, definitely shows that a large number of people are at the very least 'uncomfortable' with homosexuality, which is a loose form of homophobia, in the same way calling a person of colour a slur is racist, but not as extreme as going out and killing them because of their skin colour. As far as your claims of Riot parading Neeko around as some sort of sign that Riot is progressive seems a little far fetched in all honesty. The only time Riot have come forward about her sexuality is when people are explicitly asking them 'is she gay?' The boards simply then exploded over the subject, with many people claiming it to be a bad thing and many defending the decision. Riot is making a very small deal about it, it's the rest of us that are bringing it so much attention.
>When I first made this post earlier today, I was reading through some extremely homophobic messages on the boards, with things along the lines of 'it's not natural so it shouldn't be in League' If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, then I'm pretty sure that the person who wrote that is just bad at English. I'm think he/she didn't mean any harm. >or 'RIOT are just pandering to special snowflakes'. I don't see how saying that would make somebody homophobic. Rude and disingenuous, but not really homophobic. Term "snowflake" is barely used (in my experience seeing it pop up in conversations) as a naming convention for homosexual people. >The sheer number of people complaining about her having flirtatious lines towards other women, shows that a large number of people are at the very least 'uncomfortable' with homosexuality Most people give their reason for complaining tho? It's not some conspiracy against lgbt community or deeply rooted in boards members homophobia. Some perhaps just don't feel like making champions sexuality that apparent is a good idea. Besides, I'm certain that the majority of people who are on the fence with this situation just dislike the way Riot handled it all. >which is a loose form of homophobia Excuse me? This is a massive generalization. Why would you ever say something like that. >in the same way calling a person of colour a slur is racist, but not as extreme as going out and killing them because of their skin colour. I'm quite certain that there's a difference between saying that Neeko's sexuality was badly implemented into her character and design and calling somebody a [insert a slur depending on the race of a person in question] >The only time Riot have come forward about her sexuality is when people are explicitly asking them 'is she gay?' And Riot preferred to anwser those question before answering ones regarding her entire character, not that one part of it. I still stay strong with my statement. >Riot is making a very small deal about it, it's the rest of us that are bringing it so much attention. But that also includes you right? Why make a point like that when you're also making this discussion more wide-spread with your posts.
: Neeko's Sexuality Is A Minor Part Of Her Character
As far as I understand and believe, nobody is actually being homophobic here, so OP's strawmaning (or perhaps "generalizing" would be a better term) feels out of place. People are however concerned how Riot, and in part, vocal majority of boards, makes it so important for everybody to know how cool and progressive it is for Riot to make a lesbian character. Many of you forget that to make a good gay character you first need to make a good character in general. And right now, many people, Riot's writers including, are clearly happier advertising Neeko's sexuality over things that would make her a good character for League's lore, like personality or believes.
Keyru (NA)
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: neeko was my idea from 3 years ago
She's literally just a basic shapeshifter archetype. Ask real life chameleons if they intend to sue Riot for copyright infringement.
Heretics (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Curious Melody,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EH2Z7ENo,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-11-19T21:25:48.692+0000) > > Not to mention "identifying" as one. > https://twitter.com/thatmattdunn/status/1064613909074595841 why is this important XD ?
It's important because her writers clearly cared more about making an lgbt character over making a good character. At least that's what he's showing off, her homosexuality, instead of her story or believes. It clearly shows Riot's priorities towards champion design.
Krizonar (NA)
: She likely understands the concept, however, since it's something she feels, I'd say. Even small children that have not heard of a lot understand when they 'like like' someone.
Small children lack mental capacity to name complex things they feel. Neeko understands that she prefers girls. She doesnt go around and screams "I'm a lesbian btw" to people's faces. When i was a kid i felt i prefer veggies over meat. I didn't know what a vegan is. Now, as im older and smarter i could double down on that feeling and "identify" as a vegetarian.
: Ah An underage loli lesbian How quaint {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} Meme aside, I hate how people just slap on "gay" for no reason other than diversity. Shallow, boring writing
One thing that gets me tho. He's clearly more interested in showing off how the character he wrote is gay instead how the character he wrote is actually a fucking character. Why in the fuck would you mention and praise her sexuality, (even more, in such childish, simple-minded manner) before mentioning and praising her story, her character, what she's done and what she strives for. No, we just get "she's lesbian look how cool we are". So fucking sad.
Rodsquad (EUW)
: Taliyah is Trans and Neeko is a Lesbian
If during the creation process of a character you say "let's make a good lgbt character" before saying "let's make a good character" you're doing something wrong. Judging from writer's twitter he clearly want's people to look at Neeko and see a representation of a minority, not a character with story, motives and desires.

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