: IMO: Knockups are largely responsible for what feels bad about being a tank
Doubt it, knockups aren't as easy to land as other CC and not nearly as prevalent and wasting it on a tank and winning the fight is unlikely.
d0riyah (NA)
: Why do you guys have to be so...unresponsive?
Hard to respond to passive-aggressive BS like "...…………. ADCs …………. are still broken...………." for which none of you ever gave feasible evidence. Besides, most of the time, their only answer's gonna be "We're working on the problem champs/items this patch and gonna overhaul whatever every 6 months." so why bother?
EkyonKun (NA)
: Riot, is this really who you want representing you?
Yeesh, I wonder if this all started with the thread that ex-Rioter made about the misogyny she had to face while working there. Were her complaints valid? "I got treated unfairly at my workplace" is an almost universal sentiment after all.
Amorith (NA)
: For anyone who was wondering how bullshit "True Stealth" is...
The very meta-relevant fountaindive is here.{{sticker:cass-cry}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Dengeden,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hgxu44mJ,comment-id=001f,timestamp=2018-07-13T06:11:30.419+0000) > > You're right, they should go out of their way to [**COMPLETELY IGNORE VALID PLAYERBASE CONCERNS THAT IS CONSTANTLY BEING ASKED ABOUT IN SURVEYS**]. You people have been complaining about "the game state" since season 6 at the [**TIME WHEN PEOPLE STARTED REALIZING THAT THE GAME WAS GOING INTO A TERRIBLE DIRECTION**] and offered [**SOMETHING PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY SAYING BUT I MUST HAVE MISSED IT**]. You probably complained about it before but the forums were overhauled around then, so I can't be sure. > > Let's be honest here, this is still somehow about **[SOMETHING IRRELEVANT TO THE TOPIC AT HAND]**. Somehow, they're still [**IN AN UNHEALTHY POSITION BECAUSE OF A CONFUSED DEV TEAM**], _RIGHT_?
Oh please, do tell me what people have been constantly saying. Anything constructive really, anything.
: @Riot is a detailed post about Damage Creep, TTK, Snowball and Game Length too much to ask?
Well yes, because you've provided zero evidence for their existence over said years. The only answer you might get is "we don't want a game state where trading and ganking isn't viable." Shocker, innit?
: Akali gaining tower IMMUNITY on a non-ultimate spell is a whole new level of stupid. Unbelievable.
Riyotous (NA)
: This game turned the wrong direction after season 4.
>Not pointing fingers Ok, then I will: You. Season 4 was riddled with punishing laning phases, people hated that, Riot changed it for you and here we are.
: I think I can help with these balance issues
Tanks will just get ignored. Games will turn into farm fests and carry on like they normally do 10 minutes later. Stop suggesting this.
: Runes are boring, viable champion pool is small, no counterplay, game sucks @RIOT
The game is the same as always, the complaining continues, I shouldn't be shocked that a bunch of teenagers spout the same crap their predecessors did, but I still am.
KnifeCat (OCE)
: Riot, brushing off the boards complaints is not a good idea.
You're right, they should go out of their way to mock them. You people have been complaining about "the game state" since season 6 at the very earliest and offered zero constructive criticism. You probably complained about it before but the forums were overhauled around then, so I can't be sure. Let's be honest here, this is still somehow about ADCs. Somehow, they're still broken, _RIGHT_?
: The lack of Consistency from Riot makes LoL so hard to continue loving+playing. (TL;DR at end)
"The game is different from four years ago, this is somehow inconsistent."
: "You can't start up a game of League! We have to leave in 15 minutes!"
Yenn (NA)
: This season has completely neutered skill expression, can we get a new balance team?
Ah yes, I was wondering about what you'd be talking about now that bruiser botlanes are back. Just generally talking about damage creep without giving in-game examples. I should have known. With how long you've been talking about it, it's surprising that none of the damage output has changed. And as has been said, you need to be a sloth to think that 3-4 seconds is a short period of time. Or you need to play kite-able champions like Udyr and Graves. Also, what the heck did you think League was outside of hovering your mouse over things and clicking them? Looking at some of your comments, can you perchance, tell me how this game right here was decided within 10 minutes? Never mind that it proves your "we only have all-ins now" nonsense wrong. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvS3bGirtHg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvS3bGirtHg) As to the rest, *wow really?* People play oneshot champions midlane to carry games? Damn well that's just shocking. Why can't we go back to the good old balanced days of Soraka midlane, amirite? Zoe was created because you all wouldn't stop whining about muh burst per second and how mages "can't do anything anymore". That's why you all defended her for so long even though Faker said she was broken. Riot doesn't want a game where you need farm to do anything besides farm. That's why the game is the way it is.
: As a jungler and support, its an ADC "meta"
Watch LCS. Watch any high elo top lane stream. This is patently wrong. That's why people like me keep calling it a circle jerk. Now. Of course. An underlevelled role with no utility needs to scale up better than other roles to retain relevance. That's the reason for your .... *uuurrgh* "burst per second" you can't just play around ADCs by kiting them, that would make the role obsolete. The fact is, sololaners have consistently gotten their ability to oneshot and to splitpush nerfed while ADCs all more or less do the same thing, scale up their sustained damage. Riot has tried to make that playstyle more entertaining. And you people forgot what actual burst looked like.
Fawksea (EUW)
: Riot just give everyone a 10% reduced damage debuff for like, a week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Y4iGQnLfY It's already there right now. You dying is the result of you getting outrotated or outplayed, which *should* happen.
Håppy (NA)
: "Meddler will be talking about ADCs this week" Oh boy, I hope it's like when he talked about top lane, which was him taking a fat rip and then hallucinating for an hour, along with literally saying nothing. Any time Meddler comes out and talks about a class or a problem, he doesn't actually say anything. You can take out everything that is not related to the problem at hand and be left with, if we take his top lane post for example, "Top lane is a lane." But then again, we know what happens when Riot actually SAYS something. Like when they said they're going to work with Swain mains to make the Swain update something that the mains are happy with while appealing to others, and.. bam. /r/swainmains are fucking furious lmao
>Any time Meddler comes out and talks about a class or a problem, he doesn't actually say anything. So that's where you guys get your inspiration to make your posts.
Noivern (EUW)
: This game's glaring problems
Wrong, as per usual, easily disproven by watching a single game of League run its course and by reading patch notes. I know how hard it must be for you when you walk bot expecting free gold and when the ADC has the audacity to fight back but I have no sympathy for you. Talon was rocking his 53-54% winrate for months and you didn't bat an eye. Let's not even get in to mages, which of course, can do no wrong. And your attitude isn't high-horsed? I'll let you in on a little secret, there's this thing called Red Post Tracker, find one where a Rioter talks about balance and tell me how it's high-horsed. Or, again, read patch notes. I know that's very controversial but I just have to say it. Twice. Because you won't. Heck, do you know how close I am to getting my comment deleted right now? >Darius is still mostly one-sided in lane, unless directly counterpicked, there's no inbetween. This is called top lane. >along with now Zoe who's been getting complained about for centuries *Snort.* Ah yes, I remember all the upvoted threads that were urging Riot not to nerf her because "people were still figuring her out" or something. You do realize he made Zoe because of you, right? Because you people wouldn't stop lamenting, incorrectly btw, about how ADCs are the only ones with burst these days? Of course you don't. >Zyra's oppressive to play against now, as if you don't focus her and her plants instead, she's alive and is going to kill you. This is random as heck, she has a 50% winrate, but have you considered that Zyra support kind of falls off? Or that killing her plants is supposed to be a joint effort? I know you didn't consider that they have been trying to make her plants more frail because, well, patch notes. >Every champion he's made bred frustration of all kinds. Because this game is known for how calming it is and other absurdities you somehow said with a straight face. >Yasuo is banned every normal game. Wow, normal games, a great indication of game balance. He's banned a) because a lot of people want to play him and b) because there aren't really any counters in this game, it's more like one class does well against another and you can't ban that out, that's why new champions are always banned too. >He doesn't take feedback. Wonderful feedback like "make Windwall, his most balanced ability, cost flow" or the even better "STOP WTF STOP". Truly, something anyone who wants to call themself a game designer could work with. Also, you do realize that sayin something like "you people were complaining about xxx so we fixed that" instead of "champion xxx has been doing this and that so we" probably isn't the best PR? >Tanks beating out Bruisers and Juggernauts alike Couldn't be because people like you kept complaining about how frail tanks were, they weren't, but that's another story. I love it when people complain about autofill, Riot implemented a system where you weren't always forced to adhere to pick order and what do you do? You whine about the bone they threw you at no cost. I guess you do it because streamers complain about it because adversity gets views.
: Riot, you're backing yourself into a corner with this new grasp change
What? I seriously doubt bruisers will care about that buff. They don't care about sustain as much as tanks do.
Swarovsko (EUW)
: You're throwing so many lies out of that brain it's ridiculous. Mage mains just said that Hexdrinker is just way too powerful for a 1200 item(and ask yourself why none finishes it to {{item:3156}} if you don't believe so) , none said that {{item:3191}} needed buffs. The boards bitch about Ahri and Syndra too. None complained about Lux. Yasuo needs a rework, people only asked Zed/duskblade to be nerfed. Many threads wanted zeal items to cost 2800/2900 not 3200. Please stop whatever you're doing right now and think about the shit you just wrote... many threads like this are biased af but that doesn't mean that many other threads weren't good. You guys only see the negative.
> [{quoted}](name=Swarovsko,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Otbcp5TK,comment-id=001b00000000,timestamp=2017-12-10T23:28:03.862+0000) > > Mage mains just said that Hexdrinker is just way too powerful for a 1200 item Typo or bias? >(and ask yourself why none finishes it to {{item:3156}} if you don't believe so) a) because Maw got nerfed to hell and back thanks to you b) because ADs can make decent use of defensive stats, thanks to lifesteal >none said that {{item:3191}} needed buffs. They're calling Hourglass useless on a regular basis though. >The boards bitch about Ahri and Syndra too. a) show me a recent thread b) it's almost like they got them nerfed >Yasuo needs a rework because he's garbage, yeah >people only asked Zed/duskblade to be nerfed. > Many threads wanted zeal items to cost 2800/2900 not 3200. But if you think they'll stop there *once* they get what they want, which they always do, you've obviously not been here long. Right now, of course, when there's basically no stat that proves either of those nerfs are necessary, Riot is hesitant to listen but the meta will shift in Zed's and crit ADC's favor eventually and when that time comes... >You guys only see the negative. When 99 out of 100 posts that get upvotes are negative, hardly surprising.
Barkley (NA)
: Zoe is not OP. She's horrible to play against. There's a difference.
Replace "Zoe" with "Yasuo" or "Zed" and I'll agree. >Stop saying she's OP. You heard him, Faker.
: What dumb things did you do/say when you started League?
I'm the only one who leveled up with bots until lv 15? Who took smite for the cannon minion because lasthitting with Fiddle is difficult? Who practiced flashing over walls after the inhib fell? Who took tp/clarity on supports (and people were actually grateful)? Who didn't know Janna's ult heals you until he blew it for fun when the enemy team ff'd?
: yah yasuo is weak https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Yasuo/
: ok riot, the jokes gotten old now. time to deal with adc damage
>i can with all likely hood say that we the vast bulk of the player base are completely fed up with it You. That's it. No other League community thinks this. >i am sick to death with the balance teams silence on this issue Evidence for the unsubstantiated claim would be nice. Although, on second thought nah, just repeat it again. And again.
: I think by making ADC very overpowered you are making them the most stressful role of all
: So over half the roster can be trash tier but God forbid Yasuo be anything but cancerous? Because he is popular? We are arriving at the point we cant have fun in this game unless spamming the most broken champions. I want to play mages. If you guys keep forcing the meta instead of letting it develop by the players. Many of us will leave the game. Its not fun playing only what you guys think is good. I hate the AD meta, more and more of my friends started to leave the game because of it. Hell even i play 1/10 what I used to. You guys killing your own game. Pro play > 99% playersbase. Or its ok to loose veteran players, because you think the game is popular enough to fill the void with new players?
There's basically no champion that's left in the dump, except for champions that require skill and teamplay and even those get reworked, so keep your subjective anecdotes to yourself. And remember, Zed's Q does less damage when it goes through minions, his ult places him behind you after .5s and force his W when you gank him. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: " I want 2 lethality off of EVERYTHING" - Riot balance team
>the main problem is dusk bla.. As proved by nothing. >I SAID EVERYTHING But power creep is totally a thing. >what about adcs, with every nerf to other role they will just power creep even mo... It's not like their Press the Attack got nerfed or something. Or Ez got a nerf on his only relevant damaging ability. Also, "a nerf to everything except adcs is powercreep" rofl. >ADCS AND YASUO ARE FINE L2P [champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend](http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend) [champion.gg/champion/Yasuo/Middle](http://champion.gg/champion/Yasuo/Middle)
Xonra (NA)
: Her kit was no more archaic than current Malz is, or Lux, or Annie, or Janna, or a billion other similarly functioning champions.
Nope. The passive is uninteractive and nothing but a statstick.
: Remove Grievous Wounds From Morellonomicon and Make A New AP Item With It
>For starters, it's not fair for AP champions that they can only inflict Grievous Wounds at a certain percent of the enemies health, while AD champions are capable of doing it at any health percent. Yes it is, because AP champs get it earlier without sacrificing anything. This, "mages need everything ADCs get but better" needs to stop. Your suggested item would be either broken or ignored.
: either revert the aery nerf or give ap mages a real keystone
[http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend](http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend) Even if you ignore Morg, !"your mages are UP!!!" argument is so patently false.
Dengeden (EUW)
: [https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/infographics/patch-7-24-infographics](https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/infographics/patch-7-24-infographics) [https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/infographics/patch-5-22-infographics](https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/infographics/patch-5-22-infographics) {{sticker:vlad-salute}}
Hmm, now should we take the stats that take an unknown formula or the one with more data.
: Every few months Riot overbuffs an otherwise balanced champion just because nobody plays them.
a) because her kit was archaic b) because mages can't be op, remember?
Sraeg2013 (EUNE)
: You know, I don't even need to check to know what you said is a complete bullshit, but for your sake: https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/game-durations
[https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/infographics/patch-7-24-infographics](https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/infographics/patch-7-24-infographics) [https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/infographics/patch-5-22-infographics](https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/infographics/patch-5-22-infographics) {{sticker:vlad-salute}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Dengeden,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=6nWekgaI,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2017-12-01T06:00:01.524+0000) > > I'm not sure if I missed any of the old Varus's personal but this Varus is also torn between his desire for revenge and family. He (or they, depending on how you look at it) was also consumed by demonic energies to save someone he loves. Original Varus was never torn between desire for revenge and his family, i never stated as much, he was torn between his duty as a soldier to his country, and saving lives, and abandoning his post and keeping his family safe. He chose his duty to his country and when he saw his family's butchered remains after the battle he couldn't take it and was consumed with revenge, the new story doesn't have similar themes to that really. Varus's desire for revenge came from his family and their demise, they are intertwined, he couldn't be torn between them, and the new one is some care bears bullshit power of love vs evil garbage. I can respect your opinion of liking the new lore, but they are not similar and the new one feels shoehorned in, as well as lazy and disrespectful to me.
He could actually. He'd slowly lose his humanity to the point where he'd forget why he was killing in the first place. Torn between might be the wrong choice of words admittedly. And ... every Ionion character has been torn between duty and personal desires or suffered because of them, which is a tad stereotypical. Sure, the problem with the new lore will always be that people have spent years developing headcanons based on the sparse info we used to have ... regardless of how in-depth it actually was. The good vs evil concept, yep, it's bad. They do try to introduce some moral ambiguity to it, to be fair.
: Here we have the classic example of players not understanding the game. Your team is WINNING and the enemy comes back by getting a kill off of "wasting time top"? Then your team isnt winning or doing too many mistakes or nothing at all with their lead. When they are indeed losing the only thing they can do is go top 1v3 the toplane and take herald if that is the comeback for the enemy its the jungler and rest of the teams fault to not rotate accordingly.
Erm, bot or mid is winning, usually both because roaming. The jungler probably solo'd Herald already. The winning lane is already granting a lot of pressure in terms of tower damage, potential skirmishes and dragon. Then the toplaner complains about all the ganks against him or the lack of ganks for him and starts doing stupid things. You do have a point with that 1v3 but that's not the only possible scenario. Not to mention it's still usually the most irrelevant win for the enemy thanks to toplaners being able to tunnel with tp and by building tanky.
: The Gay Couple in Varus's New lore is not the problem
I'm not sure if I missed any of the old Varus's personal but this Varus is also torn between his desire for revenge and family. He (or they, depending on how you look at it) was also consumed by demonic energies to save someone he loves.
: But like... Being able to cross to dragon pit...
And ... flashing from brushes with CC at the ready ... it hasn't worked so far but it totally will next time.
Barkley (NA)
: Please upvote this thread to raise awareness of Top Laner Syndrome.
-His team was winning so his jungler didn't see that point in wasting time top. But that won't stop him from forcing bad plays, allowing the enemy team to make a comeback.
dominusx (EUNE)
: Make aram truly random.
No. I like random chests. I don't like Tryndamere.
: Zed pops ghostblade and runs at syndra, clicks R. By the time he is in range for her to cast ANYTHING he's mid ult which cancels out any spells in flight AND puts them on cooldown. Smash keyboard, dead syndra and there was absolutely no possible way for her to outplay without flash. Also, I'm proof that your statement is false. I think ADs are broken right now in terms of lack of counter play and I have a pre-season win rate of 60-85% on the mages I play to counter them. Just because I can win the games doesn't make the fact that they have a serious counter play issue right now any less true. All you do in your posts is say UR BAD UR BAD UR BAD even though that's obviously not the case according to my record. You have absolutely nothing positive to contribute to the community and it's evident that you're just interested in berating people. You will not be given any further attention. You are dismissed.
Rofl. Right. That's all I say. I look at the stats and see that ADs aren't OP, so I conclude the only reason people are complaining is because they're bad. What else should I do? The only thing I'm interested in is that Riot stop listening to people like you. If you wanna talk about things that actually happen in-game, I'd be all for it but everyone's more interested in not being punished for their mistakes. I guess I was wrong about you in one regard though, huh. You're just misinformed. When Zed ults you, he ALWAYS goes behind his target, ALWAYS at the same time, it's almost like Syndra can make use of that fact to stun him or something. You must be the type of person who thinks this game actually has turned into CoD and since assassins are so good at fighting all the time, you think they must be OP. By that token, Yi is OP too. The only balance issue assassins have is that they're nerfed all the time.
: You're seriously implying that teams don't ff before their inhibs went down? Are you trolling me? Never mind, you don't need to answer that. Rhetorical.
You only ff with inhibs down when someone is trolling. I mean really, you've got to be kidding me.
Acheron16 (EUW)
: {{champion:12}} {{champion:53}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:79}} {{champion:40}} {{champion:111}} I could keep going, so I'll just go with "No".
{{champion:12}} {{champion:53}} close range, also stuns/silences you {{champion:40}} telegraphed {{champion:31}} telegraphed af {{champion:79}} {{champion:111}} easily blocked by minions, mostly a stun, the displacement is tiny. Otherwise, you're talking about an ult with a delay Please keep going, it feels good to be right.
Sraeg2013 (EUNE)
: It's not an exception. There was time where my favourite pastime activity was watching high ELO streams, Wingsofdeath in particular. Even Diamond 1+ is getting AFKs, trolls and people who unintentionally play poorly. They aren't gods that make no mistakes.
When did I say that? I said they often play longer games even without making gigantic throws
: Why do we have Assassins when you can just pick J4?
Because there was a time when Rito didn't pounce to your beck and call. They nerfed assassins. They buffed J4 because Vayne was able to tumble through his wall.
: Rofl, point me to a game in the past that allowed an outcome of winning all 3 lanes to base in 20 minutes. Damage is boosted, that is what allows the quick games. Taking all the objectives wins the game, it doesn't deny that damage has increased.
Firstly, as you said, they surrendered. Secondly, according to your genius logic, games back then only ended by 20 minutes if a team surrendered. You're seriously implying that teams used to ff before their inhibs went down. Are you kidding me?
: > [{quoted}](name=Dengeden,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=W0T7txAO,comment-id=00040000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-27T04:16:21.001+0000) > By the time Syndra blew her E on nothing, then? Hate to break it to you but Syndra was always dead if she did that. Ghostblade, ult, w, auto, q, dead from invisible in 1 second. Where exactly is the opportunity for Syndra, or any mage for that matter to do anything? Hell, you can't even hourglass unless you do it after he ults before he actually attacks, then he just does the same thing a minute later instead. You just don't get it do you? Go look at some old Riot balance posts about how champion interactions which involve, or at least have the overwhelming perception of no counter play is considered 'toxic gameplay' by their own team and his historically been changed 100% of the time it's been identified. I don't mind the high damage, I don't even mind _too much_ about the mobility creep. As long as I at least have SOME chance to outplay then I'm alright with it.
A) Syndra is walking into unwarded territory. B) Zed's ult has a delay. You see, this is why your "no counterplay" argument is invalid. Listen up buddy, *you* don't get that there's plenty of counterplay to AD assassins, I've already listed them. The only people who think ADs are OP are people who are bad, period. Statistics prove this. *You* don't get that those instances you mentioned can't be even remotely compared to people like you getting stomped. *You* don't get that Riot caters to complainers like you all the time regardless of how balanced they actually are.
Sraeg2013 (EUNE)
: It never happened. Nope, never. Too bad I've watched too many Diamond/Master/Challenger streams back in the day to believe it being true.
It's the exception, not the rule and if you're really dumb enough to think it's the only way for it to happen, then, lol.
: It really sucks to be an immobile mage not named Malzahar right now
[Oh](http://champion.gg/champion/Xerath/Middle?) [rea](http://champion.gg/champion/Anivia/Middle) [lly](http://champion.gg/champion/Lux/Middle) [?](http://champion.gg/champion/Morgana/Middle) Here's an idea, stop trying to play CoD {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} outdamaging your lane opponent isn't all midlane is.
: > [{quoted}](name=Dengeden,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=W0T7txAO,comment-id=000400000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-11-26T11:08:51.564+0000) > > Ah, you went by champion.gg because op.gg didn't prove your point? Which is also why you go by the rather muddy "overall performance" (which is only so high for Zed because of the many kills he gets, and Ez always does aboveaverage damage and now he's got the goldgain to boost his performance ranking even further) instead of winrates? Good move. > > Let's be honest, Kleptomancy users are overperforming because Riot doesn't want to nerf such a fun mastery while there's no LCS. When Aery gets nerfed again for not being used exclusively by utility mages, MF's winrate will go down too. > > Meanwhile you wanna complain about Shyv too? Really? No lethality, offtank, and you dislike her, huh. You've got a bone to pick with the most recent post complaining about bruisers being weak unless fed then. > > And you're the one who isn't doing any research. The best champion against Malz is ... drumroll please ... Talon. It's also apparent you didn't look at the full statistic, or else you wouldn't have missed that Xerath is in the top 5 too. > > It's clear that AD champions put their feet up in asses of people who are bad at the game, who come to complain about it here. This has always been the case, things have been like this for months, there's nothing sudden about it. > > Also, you're seriously complaining about the what? 3 Zoe posts that hit the frontpage while the rest of it is filled with unsubstantiated complaints like yours as per usual? > > You're being ridiculous with your comparisons, Fizz, post-nerf, pre-rework, killed you with QWE, name one champion today that can do that and show me a clip. I look forward to either nothing or more 20/0 montages. Just out of curiosity you want to link your actual op. Gg? I would like to compare how my "bad at the game" win rates match up with your good at game rates for preseason.
Haven't played ranked in forever but assassins were the one thing that was always the easiest to counter. Sides, my playing badly doesn't prove the people here aren't coming here to complain bc they lost or because NB3 released his latest "OMG OP RENGAR 112020% health ONESHO!!!!T" video.
: No, both sites pull from the exact same data from Riot servers. You think there is some sort of global conspiracy against Zed mains? Individual champion performance is not the same as win rate. Completely different factors go into winning the game overall vs a champion's successfulness in 1v1 or skirmish scenarios. If this weren't the case the fact that on an individual basis Zed's insanely success rate would put him near the top of win rate across the board. You're welcome to have a difference of opinion with me but if you want to claim that the statistics are lying then take that up with Riot. Shyv is in the exact same boat as Zed right now just like her previous glory days. As soon as she completes one item just R on top of anyone, right click and EWQQ and the only thing that will save you from that is flashing a wall. Equal skill Talon will lose to Malz by a significant margin. If you think otherwise then you don't understand how those two champs are played. Both are push and roam and both hit their stride at level 3 but Talon has to use his Rake to either farm or clear Malz' voidlings. This means that Malz can use E and AA to farm and harass and at some point talon will either get pushed to tower or have to use Rake to farm. Then you drop voidlings and push him to tower anyways. Malz always has the advantage of either taking mid tower first or applying more roam pressure and is only at risk if he gets lazy about warding or tracking the jungler. Sure if Malz tries to toe-to-toe Talon he's going to lose every time but that is a representation of skill gap, not champion abilities. Prior to the rune changes my default mid mage pages gave me just enough defense such that if Talon or Zed wanted to dive me under tower at 6 they needed a couple of autos in addition to the button mashing to completely zero me out. That gave me a fraction of a second to wait for them to pause for that auto, CC and have a chance of killing them before they could get that last required hit to finish off my health bar if I got the timing just right. That is called counter play. Sure if I didn't get it right or misjudged my HP or the other guy reset his AA timer just perfectly I would still die but there was still a window, however small, for the outplay. In Silver that window was actually pretty large all things considered. Now however since death is guaranteed w/o those AAs there is no window, hence no counter play, hence no skill required for the assassin. Just press all of the buttons and run away. At the time of the post Xerath was in the top 10 in one rank, gold I think it was, no mages were in the top 5 and Malz was the only mage in the top 10 in more than one ranking. Since the stats are live I'm sure the fine details shift from day to day. If you bothered to actually digest what I've been saying the issue isn't with one skill's raw number vs another. It's that right now the pants on head assassins are zeroing out every other champion that was designed to be equally high risk, high reward when they both have their cooldowns up without ever being at risk themselves. In addition since assassins were SUPPOSED to be high skill cap and CD dependent their ults are usually up on the order of 30-40% more often than their counterpart mages. Hell Syndra, queen of the one-button-kill isn't even played at all anymore because by the time an assassin is in range and targetable for her to press that one button she's already dead. Maybe if she's lucky one ball of her ult will land on Zed before his mark procs while he's busy trying to decide whether to spam his emote or /laugh. If you have played this game at least as far back as the last assassin rework or read any of Riot's posts on why DFG was removed from the game then you should know that it's in your best interest to hydrate well before the next season starts because there will most definitely be sweeping nerfs and all of those fresh tears are going to take it out of ya.
> [{quoted}](name=Gives No Lux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=W0T7txAO,comment-id=0004000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-26T12:23:26.793+0000) > > No, both sites pull from the exact same data from Riot servers. You think there is some sort of global conspiracy against Zed mains? No, I know the stats are different for both sites. > Individual champion performance is not the same as win rate. Completely different factors go into winning the game overall vs a champion's successfulness in 1v1 or skirmish scenarios. Yes, I presumed the overall performance is taken from that circle with KDA, CS and goldgain > Shyv is in the exact same boat as Zed right now just like her previous glory days. As soon as she completes one item just R on top of anyone, right click and EWQQ and the only thing that will save you from that is flashing a wall. Or wards. You know, the thing that makes engages irrelevant. Or runes, the thing that enables you to fight back against pretty much anything. Bruisers aren't UP then, right? Just checking. > Equal skill Talon will lose to Malz by a significant margin. Lol, no assassin beats mages in terms of skill. They already gimp their team superhard by playing an AD with lowrange waveclear. Never mind how their kits match up against mages with the wet noodles Riot bestowed on them (on everyone really) thanks to complainers like you. But not even LCS pros play perfectly, Talon's gonna get his opening. It's beside the point, you're shifting the goalposts. You're also overlooking that Talon is the better roamer and that he can very easily itemize QSS. > Prior to the rune changes my default mid mage pages gave me just enough defense such that if Talon or Zed wanted to dive me under tower at 6 they needed a couple of autos in addition to the button mashing to completely zero me out. That gave me a fraction of a second to wait for them to pause for that auto, CC and have a chance of killing them before they could get that last required hit to finish off my health bar if I got the timing just right. Now you can harass them even better pre6 and just take TP to get seeker's or something. Or barrier, or exhaust if you can time it. > Just press all of the buttons and run away. If you get hit by skillshots when the enemy mashes the keyboard, you kinda deserved to die. I do have to admit their winrates rose preseason because unlike you, I don't jump from statistic to statistic or ignore them alltogether to make my point, but so what? They're high skillcap champions, it's how it should be. > At the time of the post Xerath was in the top 10 in one rank, gold I think it was, no mages were in the top 5 and Malz was the only mage in the top 10 in more than one ranking. Since the stats are live I'm sure the fine details shift from day to day. Ah fair enough. > If you bothered to actually digest what I've been saying the issue isn't with one skill's raw number vs another. It's that right now the pants on head assassins are zeroing out every other champion that was designed to be equally high risk, high reward when they both have their cooldowns up without ever being at risk themselves. In addition since assassins were SUPPOSED to be high skill cap and CD dependent their ults are usually up on the order of 30-40% more often than their counterpart mages. They're not and both logic and every statistic prove it. > Hell Syndra, queen of the one-button-kill isn't even played at all anymore because because she got nerfed thanks to complainers like you, yes. > by the time an assassin is in range and targetable for her to press that one button she's already dead. Maybe if she's lucky one ball of her ult will land on Zed before his mark procs while he's busy trying to decide whether to spam his emote or /laugh. By the time Syndra blew her E on nothing, then? Hate to break it to you but Syndra was always dead if she did that. > If you have played this game at least as far back as the last assassin rework Then I know every champion that gets complained gets nerfed and people like you will still crop up and complain about how Riot never listens to them :] >or read any of Riot's posts on why DFG was removed from the game As far as I know, it was removed because it allowed champions to OS you without using one of your spells. Which is not the case now soooooooo. It was also removed because champions got too reliant on the item. Which isn't the case here either. >then you should know that it's in your best interest to hydrate well before the next season starts because there will most definitely be sweeping nerfs and all of those fresh tears are going to take it out of ya. Why? I don't play assassins. They're garbage cheese champions at best.
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