: > [{quoted}](name=DespairSlayer,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wVEyNci2,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-11T15:58:27.110+0000) > > Umm.. because it doesn't make sense xD > > Look.. let's take an exemple, why some players using {{item:3078}} on {{champion:86}} and he doesn't use mana??? > > That's right he can benefit from the other passive from {{item:3078}} but there's other items can be more useful for him better than {{item:3078}} garen (and most juggers in general) has one of the highest base ad values in the game. this makes the sheen procs exceptionally potent on him, since triforce sheen proc deals twice the champions base ad value in damage. the burst he gets out of the sheen procs added to his q against squishy champions makes triforce a situationally very good item on him. the same way, the double hit passive from {{item:3124}} is so broken on {{champion:67}} with her w, that the loss of gold for ap on the item doesnt even matter.
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: It makes them literally impossible to itemize against, since they're doing a ton of mixed damage. Auto-attack Champions, with strong on-hit abiilities, synergize well with such items.
: > [{quoted}](name=DespairSlayer,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wVEyNci2,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-11T15:28:18.581+0000) > > I don't think that {{champion:67}} can use {{item:3091}} but Which part of Wit's End do Yi not benefit from is {{item:3091}} deals bonus magic damage on-hit but {{champion:11}} does physical damage pure Why would the type of damage it does not matching the type of damage his auto-attacks do matter?
Umm.. because it doesn't make sense xD Look.. let's take an exemple, why some players using {{item:3078}} on {{champion:86}} and he doesn't use mana??? That's right he can benefit from the other passive from {{item:3078}} but there's other items can be more useful for him better than {{item:3078}}
: > [{quoted}](name=DespairSlayer,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wVEyNci2,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-06-11T15:05:47.676+0000) > > No, i didn't said it isn't good. i just hate it when i don't get all of the benefits from an item, that's what makes me thinking about another item that might be more useful to those champions. Which part of Wit's End do Yi and Vayne not benefit from?
I don't think that {{champion:67}} can use {{item:3091}} but Which part of Wit's End do Yi not benefit from is {{item:3091}} deals bonus magic damage on-hit but {{champion:11}} does physical damage pure
: Rageblade is baught by champions with on hit effects (vayne yi etc) as it is a damage multiplier to those abilities The magic damage it does is very very secondary and could probably be removed and it would make no difference to who buys it Wits end is baught for a number of reasons, it gives a lot of good defensive stats, with a lot of Mr and the life gain it's very good for fighting consistent magic damage dealers Additionally, pure Phys damage characters will often struggle Vs tanks, xin does pure physical damage so against an 800 armour rammus he won't do much, but that rammus won't have anywhere near as much Mr, so the magic damage dealt by wits will do a lot more damage then an equivalent amount of ad on top of the defensive stats being good in that case Lastly it's baught by champions like Yi who already have/want rageblade as again, the rageblade is a damage multiplier to "on hit" effects but not to strict "auto attack damage" meaning for champions with a rageblade on hit damage is often worth more then ad meaning the damage from items like wits end becomes very powerful Champions aren't restricted to doing a single type of damage, and because of rageblade and other on hit effects, high attack speed champions benefit highly from doing both as it makes them very difficult to build against
> The magic damage it does is very very secondary and could probably be removed and it would make no difference to who buys it Yeh that's what makes me sure about this item {{item:3124}} is broken. Besides, i think it is more useful for {{champion:102}} her basic attack can scales with magic damage and her abilities can be empowered by {{item:3124}} other passives. Anyway, thank you for the explanation.
: i think what op actually wanted to ask here, is why its bought on champions without ap scalings when it has an ap component in its build path and ap on the item. the answer is the same as to why {{item:3078}} is built on {{champion:86}} even though he doesnt use the mana, and doesnt use the attack speed very well. the other stats and passives on the item are effective enough to make up for the loss in gold for the useless stats.
: > [{quoted}](name=DespairSlayer,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wVEyNci2,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-11T01:12:08.045+0000) > > Same with master yi some people use Guinsoo's Rageblade and Wit's End but their passive makes Basic attacks deal bonus magic damage on-hit. Why would dealing magic damage on each attack not be good just because a champion doesn't deal other magic damage?
No, i didn't said it isn't good. i just hate it when i don't get all of the benefits from an item, that's what makes me thinking about another item that might be more useful to those champions.
: it's basically anti-tank, they cant fully build against onhit. More specifically.... Vayne: you get to proc her W every auto attack on a fully stacked rageblade....which is very good. Yi: i'm not sure but i think it has something to do with buffing his E. Not going to go through all the champs, but you get the idea. Rageblade buffs something about the characters kit well enough to warrant it. Edit: vayne: every other auto
Yeah.. got it, {{item:3124}} it's made for those champions with on-hit effects but i just hate it when i don't get all of the benefits from an item, That's why i opened a discussion about it... Maybe {{item:3124}} is broken.
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