: Tbh. If you have no winning lanes as a jungler. You May as well just give up. You honestly have no solo impact. It’s sad but it’s true. Cause remember. 1 kill is not just 300 gold. It’s 300 gold + 320 turret plate gold + minions + xp.
On the match or Jungling entirely?
: Step 1: Open Tab Step 2: Figure out which lane you have that should technically win on it's own Step 3: Figure out which lane you have that has easy straight forward engage Step 4: Figure out if that lane will be getting pushed in or pushing in You will want to hover or dive depending on Step 4 Step 5: Play EXCLUSIVELY around that 1 lane or maximum that 1 lane and Mid Step 6: If your SIvir soraka start begging for ganks on the Draven braum you should full mute them and continue with the established plan from Step 1 to 6 A lane that wins on it's own can destroy the game outright if it gets the camp as well. This is how you win with jungle NEVER and i mean NEVER play around your weak side
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Hotarµ (NA)
: > Okay, fair enough... and true, I wasn't behaving civilly, but I don't think my comments identify with any of the report choices, assuming that negative behaviour strictly fits to it's in game description e.g griefing. > > Yeah, I could of been a better person, and yes, I should be in future, but I still argue that I didn't use any hate-speech against them, and I haven't been acting so negatively to cause mental or psychological harm a.k.a being toxic. When we're on the receiving end of harassment (or just engaged in a heated argument) it's tough to discern what is or isn't toxic. One method that usually works is to try to look at it from an outsider's perspective and ask yourself if you would report them for what they're saying. I guarantee you and I would report someone for saying things like "I will pray for fucking cancer than get you in any of my games", that sort of language doesn't contribute to constructive discussion and it doesn't deescalate the situation. Don't stress it too much. At the end of the day it's just one small punishment, your account is still in good standing and this'll just act as a healthy reminder to keep cool.
That's a good way of putting it, didn't really think of observing it from that perspective, It seems to make sense now. The whole loose difference between what can be identified as just anger and toxicity is difficult to separate and you make a good point on how we can observe that. I'll try to watch my tone and control my frustrations in future and thank you for the response.
rujitra (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DiViND,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=cUI132pe,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-08T02:26:31.856+0000) > > But was I being toxic or was I expressing my rage? You act as if these are mutually exclusive. If you express your rage in a toxic way, it is toxic. > I avoided name-calling, avoided direct insults, I avoided making comments on him or immaturely bringing his family into it. Oh, did you? Let's see some quotes from you: >DiViND: cool.. closest thing you'll get to a woman probably >DiViND: parents dont give you enough attention sylas? Not insults? Really? But even still, being an asshole is toxic - regardless if you "directly" insult someone or name-call them. > Ofcourse I was angry, but you're telling me being angry in a game is a taboo? I didn't say anything to him with the intentions of hurting him but instead driving him off, expressing my frustrations, and making myself appear less vulnerable. No. Being angry is fine. Being toxic is not. > I clearly didn't use any hate-speech of any kind. > Also, by toxic behaviour, I wasn't trying to harm him, again, yes, I was rude and mean, but I wasn't trying to insult anything about him directly, did not lead his family, relatives or friends into it, did not bring his personal life into it, I said what I didn't like about him. Doesn't matter. You admit you were rude and mean. That is not acceptable. > I wasn't on my best behaviour, but I don't think my comments had the severity to deserve this punishment. Your comments are some of the worst chat logs I've seen on the boards in a long time. You acted inappropriately, period.
Toxic behaviour is suppose to be emotionally, physically and mentally damaging right, But I believe to of not made any comments to cause such intentions. "Closest thing you'll get to a woman probably" is not name calling, it's mean, it may condescending, but I did not imply that he would never get close to a woman. Also I said "parent don't give you enough attention sylas?" in response to his constant seeking of attention from me with pings. I really don't see how that identifies as name calling. If you read what I wrote under it "he was clearly trying to get my attention". Then where is the line of being angry and being toxic? would you think "fuck you *person*" would be toxic or anger? Toxicity is behaviour with the intentions of damaging someone mentally, psychologically yada yada.. but I implied that is the closest he would get to a woman, not attempt to convince him that he will never have a woman. I would argue that being an asshole and toxic are different things. You can be an asshole by copying everything they say to purposefully annoy them but it doesn't fit the criteria of "toxic behaviour" I was rude and mean, but again, where is the line where it is acceptable. Is saying "omfg jungler gank me" an excuse for a punishment? It's definitely rude, but it's not harmful or toxic. you're saying I have had the one of the worst chat logs? then you clearly haven't seen many. Would you say my chat logs were worse than, I quote "guy number 2" "I fuck your mother" "I will fuck your sister" "I can make you a sister"?
Hotarµ (NA)
: >"DiViND: noob soraka top" "DiViND: got a fucking problem?" >DiViND: I will pray for fucking cancer than get you in any of my ranked games DiViND: ironically, no one asked for you to say your opinion.. so stfu plz :) >Do you guys think based on these events the punishment is fair? Yes, because looking at it objectively, your focus was more on retaliation rather than diffusion. Simply put, if you can't respond to someone civilly, don't respond at all. You forfeited the right to claim yourself as the victim when you said things like "I will pray for fucking cancer than get you in any of my games" or telling people to stfu. No negativity is acceptable, in the future just mute and report players. If you don't want to mute them, don't respond to them. For what it's worth, I'm sorry you had a rough game and I sympathize with you, but this behavior is just as bad as theirs, it doesn't matter who started it.
Okay, fair enough... and true, I wasn't behaving civilly, but I don't think my comments identify with any of the report choices, assuming that negative behaviour strictly fits to it's in game description e.g griefing. Yeah, I could of been a better person, and yes, I should be in future, but I still argue that I didn't use any hate-speech against them, and I haven't been acting so negatively to cause mental or psychological harm a.k.a being toxic. Edit: If Negative Behaviour is a lot more general in which it has any negative affect, then the use of bad language would be one of them too right?
rujitra (NA)
: 1. The events do not matter. Your actions do. 2. You do not always get a message when someone is punished, to prevent the exact type of behavior you are displaying of "witch hunting" 3. People you report who violate the rules will be punished. You violating the rules will also be punished.
But was I being toxic or was I expressing my rage? I avoided name-calling, avoided direct insults, I avoided making comments on him or immaturely bringing his family into it. Ofcourse I was angry, but you're telling me being angry in a game is a taboo? I didn't say anything to him with the intentions of hurting him but instead driving him off, expressing my frustrations, and making myself appear less vulnerable. I clearly didn't use any hate-speech of any kind. Also, by toxic behaviour, I wasn't trying to harm him, again, yes, I was rude and mean, but I wasn't trying to insult anything about him directly, did not lead his family, relatives or friends into it, did not bring his personal life into it, I said what I didn't like about him. I wasn't on my best behaviour, but I don't think my comments had the severity to deserve this punishment.
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: What is one skin you always forget exists?
Greenwood Ashe, not because I forget it exists but because I want to forget it exists. I got that as my first skin from the first free hextech chest on both of my accounts in EUNE and EUW. It belongs as a chroma, not a skin, and it dissappoints me every time I look in my collection :(
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Wilyum (NA)
: Is there anyway I can know if someone I reported gets banned?
The system is a fucking joke. Got into LoL just recently after a year of absence, played for less than a month I got autofilled which is already a problem as you are being forced to play something you dont for 20+ minutes (which in my case was 40min). I told my team that I don't play support, I don't like playing support, it was my first time to play that support champion and that I was autofilled. I was in for a boring session, then jungler started flaming, all game, and not just me, but my random ADC. He would even make up excuses when we were doing fine. Anyways, bored out of my mind, doing okay in the game, and being harassed, I break down and start being toxic again. 1 game later, 10 in game chat restriction for saying "I don't like my ADC (as he was beginning to troll) but I'd marry him than play another game with you on my team".. the other guy who flamed me, and the team.. Never knew if he got any punishment. Thinking of going to DOTA honestly.. I am punished by being toxic towards people who are toxic and Cannot give information to my good, willing teammates in future games, in for 10 games of most likely losing, 10 games 20 min on AVG. Minimum of 200minutes of not having fun.
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