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: This thread would have been so much better you had phrased it {{champion:75}} eat {{champion:75}}
> [{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dKuMjat8,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-02-22T19:04:28.270+0000) > > This thread would have been so much better you had phrased it {{champion:75}} eat {{champion:75}} True, thank you for the suggestion XD
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: @Riot, you did it for Zilean. Now please give us some clarity to Shen's ultimate.
How about putting him back pre-work... that would be more helpful. He was fine, never needed changing, Riot changed it for busywork.
Nahui (NA)
: Someone got ass raped by a Zed.
> [{quoted}](name=Pojalsta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sYlfKjYJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-02-21T00:49:30.812+0000) > > Someone got ass raped by a Zed. Its a joke XD
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: lets bond TP to toplaners and ignite to mid too, no?
> [{quoted}](name=Kiss Kiss Kiss,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=obwBv4cc,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-02-20T20:55:48.124+0000) > > lets bond TP to toplaners and ignite to mid too, no? Why not, Riot has admitted they've had problems with items not being used in their intended fashion and this would do a load towards restoring game balance.
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: Lmao is this thread even serious.
> [{quoted}](name=Hayaishi2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=obwBv4cc,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-02-20T20:32:38.475+0000) > > Lmao is this thread even serious. It is, this is exactly the reason that supports cannot have nice items, because non-supports abuse them. It was the same with jungle items until the change to make smite needed for getting them.
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M0b1us (NA)
: I don't mind it when assassins are strong. What I dislike is when they are strong and have very little that can stop them. Example, I never thought Akali was absolutely unfun to fight against. Sure, her damage WAS absurd, but when team fights started, she became a lot easier to deal with. That is because she can dash to an enemy, but then has no way to get out. She also doesn't serve much of a purpose outside of killing squishies. So if you were able to contain her in lane, her impact would be noticeably worse. An example of a champ I absolutely hate facing is Zed. Even when he isn't strong, I find him extremely unfun to play against. He can kill squishy targets easily, no harm in that. That is his job after all. What I completely dislike is the combination of all of the following on top of his assassination power. Decent wave clear, INCREDIBLE split pushing power, and incredibly easy to escape from bad situations. If a Zed ever gets behind, the good ones will simply split push. Even when behind, Zed has a very strong 1v1 match up, so he basically forces your team to make a decision. Either try to take an objective or win a team fight now, or send someone to deal with him. If you decide on the latter, then you have to make that call the moment you see Zed split pushing. If you hesitate, Zed's additional AD bonus can easily allow him to take a tower. On the other hand, if Zed gets ahead, then it becomes difficult to punish his assassination attempts. Unlike Akali, Zed can use his W before ulting on his target, press Q+W then one auto, W out and then the ult finishes the kill. So your counterplay options are to either lock him down when he ults, or have a QSS or zhonyas. The only risk in that scenario Zed has to deal with is the potential of being lock downed when he goes in. That window of counter play opportunity is maybe a second. If you have a Zhonyas or QSS, Zed still gets away and gets some damage on you, but doesn't kill you. Still Zed basically traded his ult for your item active. That will hurt his assassination potential next fight, but it also stops you from having that crucial zhonyas/QSS. Basically, Zed is a champion that feels bad to play against because when you beat him in lane, he can still split push amazingly. When he gets ahead, he is a super safe assassin. Either way, it feels like there is very little you can do other than hope that the player on Zed is just bad at making calls and tries to team fight when he is 1/10. Yas is between Akali and Zed to me. He has clear weaknesses that can be exploited and clear strengths. One thing I dislike is how people think that using E on a minion to close a gap, press Q after E ends to land some poke, then using E to get back out is hard. Just a preference thing. The other thing I dislike is his windwall. It is so stupidly easy and forgiving to block a projectile with and there are plenty of projectiles that it shouldn't stop. When I can use windwall in the OPPOSITE direction and still block a projectile, that is just wrong. It gives Yas so much time to use it. As long as the projectile doesn't hit Yas, windwall can stop it. Windwall should work where the wall itself is formed at the tip of the blade and not on Yas's model. That way he actually has to direct the windwall and can't just use a panic reaction. Other than that, if he gets behind, he is easy to deal with. If he gets ahead, he does his job well. When I outplay a Yasuo, it feels good because I know that I just made it harder for him to have an impact on the game. When I get outplayed by a Yasuo, I don't feel cheated because that is what he does and I know that he will have to put himself in a position where I have a clear window to outplay him later on. To sum everything up, when counter play is present and clear, I don't mind at all when assassins are strong. When counter play is limited to 1 small opportunity, then I hate when that assassin is strong.
> [{quoted}](name=M0b1us,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XaLQuMP2,comment-id=001d,timestamp=2016-02-20T07:26:52.809+0000) > > I don't mind it when assassins are strong. What I dislike is when they are strong and have very little that can stop them. Example, I never thought Akali was absolutely unfun to fight against. Sure, her damage WAS absurd, but when team fights started, she became a lot easier to deal with. That is because she can dash to an enemy, but then has no way to get out. She also doesn't serve much of a purpose outside of killing squishies. So if you were able to contain her in lane, her impact would be noticeably worse. > > An example of a champ I absolutely hate facing is Zed. Even when he isn't strong, I find him extremely unfun to play against. He can kill squishy targets easily, no harm in that. That is his job after all. What I completely dislike is the combination of all of the following on top of his assassination power. > Decent wave clear, INCREDIBLE split pushing power, and incredibly easy to escape from bad situations. If a Zed ever gets behind, the good ones will simply split push. Even when behind, Zed has a very strong 1v1 match up, so he basically forces your team to make a decision. Either try to take an objective or win a team fight now, or send someone to deal with him. If you decide on the latter, then you have to make that call the moment you see Zed split pushing. If you hesitate, Zed's additional AD bonus can easily allow him to take a tower. On the other hand, if Zed gets ahead, then it becomes difficult to punish his assassination attempts. Unlike Akali, Zed can use his W before ulting on his target, press Q+W then one auto, W out and then the ult finishes the kill. So your counterplay options are to either lock him down when he ults, or have a QSS or zhonyas. The only risk in that scenario Zed has to deal with is the potential of being lock downed when he goes in. That window of counter play opportunity is maybe a second. If you have a Zhonyas or QSS, Zed still gets away and gets some damage on you, but doesn't kill you. Still Zed basically traded his ult for your item active. That will hurt his assassination potential next fight, but it also stops you from having that crucial zhonyas/QSS. > > Basically, Zed is a champion that feels bad to play against because when you beat him in lane, he can still split push amazingly. When he gets ahead, he is a super safe assassin. Either way, it feels like there is very little you can do other than hope that the player on Zed is just bad at making calls and tries to team fight when he is 1/10. > > Yas is between Akali and Zed to me. He has clear weaknesses that can be exploited and clear strengths. One thing I dislike is how people think that using E on a minion to close a gap, press Q after E ends to land some poke, then using E to get back out is hard. Just a preference thing. The other thing I dislike is his windwall. It is so stupidly easy and forgiving to block a projectile with and there are plenty of projectiles that it shouldn't stop. When I can use windwall in the OPPOSITE direction and still block a projectile, that is just wrong. It gives Yas so much time to use it. As long as the projectile doesn't hit Yas, windwall can stop it. Windwall should work where the wall itself is formed at the tip of the blade and not on Yas's model. That way he actually has to direct the windwall and can't just use a panic reaction. Other than that, if he gets behind, he is easy to deal with. If he gets ahead, he does his job well. When I outplay a Yasuo, it feels good because I know that I just made it harder for him to have an impact on the game. When I get outplayed by a Yasuo, I don't feel cheated because that is what he does and I know that he will have to put himself in a position where I have a clear window to outplay him later on. > > To sum everything up, when counter play is present and clear, I don't mind at all when assassins are strong. When counter play is limited to 1 small opportunity, then I hate when that assassin is strong. That simply comes from Zed being AD based which is naturally better for split-pushing. AD items are just better at the moment but I think the REAL problem with Zed is his mobility. He should not be able to teleport back to safety after going for a dive. Its as simple as that, Akali can't do that and Katarina needs to kill somebody to get the reset on Shunpo so why does Zed get a free mobility tool? {{champion:91}} is healthy, he has one blink behind a target and then has a CHOICE to use his ult to get a kill or get out... He has VERY CLEAR times of weakness.
Naag One (NA)
: Zed.... only 1 champ you need to make every bronzie mage main cry
> [{quoted}](name=Naag One,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ndlkehlQ,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2016-02-19T10:53:02.029+0000) > > Zed.... > only 1 champ you need to make every bronzie mage main cry You sir... are a... not going to say it here. Everything that is wrong with League of Legends in a nutshell - THAT ATTITUDE
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: > [{quoted}](name=Diamond Frostman,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ndlkehlQ,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2016-02-19T06:19:46.405+0000) > > Oh the win rates of {{champion:112}}, the last good REAL mage. {{champion:103}} doesn't count because she is too mobile to be considered an actual mage, she's kind Riot's assassin-mage hybrid lovechild and like Lee Sin, they will never let anything back happen to her. Same with {{champion:7}}, both are two mobile to be considered "mages". {{champion:127}} WAS good but is only really good as a counter-pick to Zed and SERIOUSLY lacks damage compared to other AD based CC heavy champs. > > True mages > > Like > > {{champion:134}} > {{champion:74}} > {{champion:43}} > {{champion:101}} > {{champion:161}} > > All forgotten about completely. Yes, they can still work but why pick them when AD Assassins, Bruisers and ADC's ARE JUST PLAIN BETTER in ITEMS and KITS. > > Does AP {{champion:10}} match a {{champion:114}}? Didn't think so. > > You can see this in LCS, do mages get picked for mid often OTHER then Viktor... > > No! > > Its all {{champion:42}} and {{champion:81}}. > > Hell, we have {{champion:104}} in the jungle now. > > Just about EVERY ADC is viable and actually better at the moment because they simply OUTCLASS mages. Ezreal, Corkie and Graves are ALL CAPABLE OF MUCH HIGHER BURST. Kallista and Lucian have much better safety and peel and the less said about Miss Fortune, the better. Oh you mean these ones? {{champion:117}} 80% pick/ban, 80% win rate in competitive {{champion:99}} The best solo queue mid laner in the game {{champion:127}} 50% pick/ban, 70% win rate in competitive {{champion:26}} Now picking up steam in competitive as people discover how retarded he is {{champion:34}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:13}} nerfed into the ground for good reason And then on the flip side, for the unstoppable tide of AD assassins mid in competitive play we have: Huh. No one, actually. Turns out Zed and Talon are only good in solo queue, and Corki is just a broken piece of shit everywhere Also, please list me a single "AD based CC heavy champion" currently being played, as I am exceptionally curious if both of us are playing League of Legends at this point
> [{quoted}](name=Charles Barklius,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ndlkehlQ,comment-id=000a00000000,timestamp=2016-02-19T10:03:28.113+0000) > > Oh you mean these ones? > {{champion:117}} 80% pick/ban, 80% win rate in competitive > {{champion:99}} The best solo queue mid laner in the game > {{champion:127}} 50% pick/ban, 70% win rate in competitive > {{champion:26}} Now picking up steam in competitive as people discover how retarded he is > {{champion:34}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:13}} nerfed into the ground for good reason > > And then on the flip side, for the unstoppable tide of AD assassins mid in competitive play we have: > Huh. No one, actually. Turns out Zed and Talon are only good in solo queue, and Corki is just a broken piece of shit everywhere > > Also, please list me a single "AD based CC heavy champion" currently being played, as I am exceptionally curious if both of us are playing League of Legends at this point {{champion:421}}, case and point
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: "AP mids are terrible even though they're still vastly favored in high ELO and competitive play" Serious mages players are so delusion just cause anything has a chance against them, yet mages still have the top 5 win rates & play rates for mid lane.
> [{quoted}](name=Quinn of Yuri,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ndlkehlQ,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2016-02-19T05:22:02.222+0000) > > "AP mids are terrible even though they're still vastly favored in high ELO and competitive play" > > Serious mages players are so delusion just cause anything has a chance against them, yet mages still have the top 5 win rates & play rates for mid lane. Oh the win rates of {{champion:112}}, the last good REAL mage. {{champion:103}} doesn't count because she is too mobile to be considered an actual mage, she's kind Riot's assassin-mage hybrid lovechild and like Lee Sin, they will never let anything back happen to her. Same with {{champion:7}}, both are two mobile to be considered "mages". {{champion:127}} WAS good but is only really good as a counter-pick to Zed and SERIOUSLY lacks damage compared to other AD based CC heavy champs. True mages Like {{champion:134}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:161}} All forgotten about completely. Yes, they can still work but why pick them when AD Assassins, Bruisers and ADC's ARE JUST PLAIN BETTER in ITEMS and KITS. Does AP {{champion:10}} match a {{champion:114}}? Didn't think so. You can see this in LCS, do mages get picked for mid often OTHER then Viktor... No! Its all {{champion:42}} and {{champion:81}}. Hell, we have {{champion:104}} in the jungle now. Just about EVERY ADC is viable and actually better at the moment because they simply OUTCLASS mages. Ezreal, Corkie and Graves are ALL CAPABLE OF MUCH HIGHER BURST. Kallista and Lucian have much better safety and peel and the less said about Miss Fortune, the better.
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: A supports message to you low-ELO players
Amen Brother, {{champion:43}} main and I hate ADC's that will run to facecheck a bush that they KNOW {{champion:1}} is in and then blame me for the fact that {{champion:1}} can burst through my shield and kill them. My shield doesn't turn you into {{champion:54}} XD
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: There was a time in LoL's history when people actually made threads about how balanced and fun itwas
Just gonna leave this here [Made me think of your post XD](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irhtXBAR-yU)
: Urgot.
> [{quoted}](name=Master Nami,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yvsa8Fdq,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-16T14:57:59.671+0000) > > Urgot. Just upvoting because Urgot is awesome despite his kit. He has been one of the worst ADC's for a long time but he's lovable because he is the butt of everyone's joke. However, I think the reason Riot will not buff him is because of his combo that allows him to auto-target is blade (can't remember which ability it is), that would be horrible if that did a lot more damage. Though he is gonna get a buff to his ultimate that fears while he's doing it which is AWESOME. Because it means he won't die during it.
Nahui (NA)
: Riot has publicly announced they want some level of trash talk, it's healthy for competitive nature. LoL isn't meant to be your safe space, however it's also not meant to be a breeding ground of toxicity and offensive language. Basic trash talk is fine. There's a difference between telling someone to catch cancer and yelling DUNK in all chat when you ult someone as Darius, killing them.
> [{quoted}](name=Captain Rand0,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9fEOlI1j,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-16T14:34:55.095+0000) > > Riot has publicly announced they want some level of trash talk, it's healthy for competitive nature. LoL isn't meant to be your safe space, however it's also not meant to be a breeding ground of toxicity and offensive language. Basic trash talk is fine. > > There's a difference between telling someone to catch cancer and yelling DUNK in all chat when you ult someone as Darius, killing them. No its not because its still rubbing the other person's face in it.
GreenLore (EUW)
: While Jhin can be played mid,he is far from replacing Xerath and Vel'koz First of all Jhin mid is pretty terrible right now. He has only a winrate of ~41% in midlane,which is the 3rd lowest winrate of all(the only lower winrates are ryze mid and nunu support) And Jhin can't poke like Xerath and Vel'koz in lane,I mean among his skills,his W is the only real long range poke and it isn't strong enough and you run out too fast out of mana,not to mention that you probably want to max Q first anyway because it helps a lot when it comes to getting last hits. Even in the lategame,his W is his only real poke tool among his regular abilities and it can only hit one champion,isn't that strong and has a fairly high cooldown. Currently Riot tries to give every champ some sort of unique thing and Jhin is pretty much their AD-long-range champ,but that doesn't mean he replaces ap-long-range champs.
> [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ETMqJXdE,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-02-16T14:54:48.556+0000) > > While Jhin can be played mid,he is far from replacing Xerath and Vel'koz > > First of all Jhin mid is pretty terrible right now. > He has only a winrate of ~41% in midlane,which is the 3rd lowest winrate of all(the only lower winrates are ryze mid and nunu support) > > And Jhin can't poke like Xerath and Vel'koz in lane,I mean among his skills,his W is the only real long range poke and it isn't strong enough and you run out too fast out of mana,not to mention that you probably want to max Q first anyway because it helps a lot when it comes to getting last hits. > Even in the lategame,his W is his only real poke tool among his regular abilities and it can only hit one champion,isn't that strong and has a fairly high cooldown. > > > Currently Riot tries to give every champ some sort of unique thing and Jhin is pretty much their AD-long-range champ,but that doesn't mean he replaces ap-long-range champs. But since AD is so much better in itemisation and the lack of armor options for AD, I am honestly suprised that mid Jhin is not a lot better?
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: Why are Riot attempting to replace Long Range Mages with AD casters?
I mean, why does Jhin get a long range kit like that, Caitlyn is bearable because of her kit but this just seems like they are trying to replace skillshot mages with an AD version and it annoys me considering what a mess AP is at the moment
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Nahui (NA)
: When winning a game, the other team is expected to feel jubilant and have some bragging rights. Now yes, calling you crap is wrong and toxic, but something like "Ha, we won" or "Didn't have a chance" is actually healthy in terms of competition. Although Ez is a bit of a low blow.
> [{quoted}](name=Captain Rand0,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9fEOlI1j,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-02-16T13:49:33.605+0000) > > When winning a game, the other team is expected to feel jubilant and have some bragging rights. Now yes, calling you crap is wrong and toxic, but something like "Ha, we won" or "Didn't have a chance" is actually healthy in terms of competition. Although Ez is a bit of a low blow. Not, it really isn't because it breeds toxicity, it encourages people to be arrogant, especially on games that were because the enemy team had an AFK or a bad player.
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: Well, if you take a look at his abilities individually without putting all of his tools together, all of them are pretty simple or lackluster. His Q is basically a skillshot auto, his W is just an ability blocker that provides 0 damage, his E is a low-damage mobility tool, and his ultimate is a situationally-dependent skill. Looked at separately, his abilities are pretty underwhelming. But when put together...well, the way they flow together is the biggest issue. And when you add in a shield that improves along with his mobility and free stats via his double-crit, it becomes an over-tuned kit. However, it is also VERY easy to mess up when playing Yasuo, and as a champion, you can clearly see the difference between a player who had played only 10 Yasuo games and a player who has played 100. People will hate me for saying it, but skill IS a factor for him. Low-elo players just do not want to admit when they are out-played. That being said, having a resource will ultimately ruin the fluidity of his kit, and thus butcher his thematic.
> [{quoted}](name=50ShadesOfBae,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Wf8hAv9N,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-14T18:12:00.563+0000) > > Well, if you take a look at his abilities individually without putting all of his tools together, all of them are pretty simple or lackluster. His Q is basically a skillshot auto, his W is just an ability blocker that provides 0 damage, his E is a low-damage mobility tool, and his ultimate is a situationally-dependent skill. > > Looked at separately, his abilities are pretty underwhelming. But when put together...well, the way they flow together is the biggest issue. And when you add in a shield that improves along with his mobility and free stats via his double-crit, it becomes an over-tuned kit. > > However, it is also VERY easy to mess up when playing Yasuo, and as a champion, you can clearly see the difference between a player who had played only 10 Yasuo games and a player who has played 100. People will hate me for saying it, but skill IS a factor for him. Low-elo players just do not want to admit when they are out-played. No it really isn't... you mess up on Yasuo and you can try again in a few seconds with no real punishing factor or cost so stop living in your own deluded little bubble.
Eggbread (NA)
: First off, you are a smurf. You cant get mad at people for performing poorly since you are already ruining the new player experience for them and they are NEW players. Secondly, you dont get mad by not acting like a spoiled child. Thirdly, don't expect to carry as Karma.
> [{quoted}](name=Inept Maverick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=00LiKpU4,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-02-14T18:08:35.605+0000) > > First off, you are a smurf. You cant get mad at people for performing poorly since you are already ruining the new player experience for them and they are NEW players. > > Secondly, you dont get mad by not acting like a spoiled child. > > Thirdly, don't expect to carry as Karma. Yes, to carry, I'd have to be an arrogant AD main and I just don't have the level of self-delusion for that.
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: Here's wats wrong with ur assumption: Those people most of the times ARE INDEED putting effort into the game. Just cuse they had a bad game doesn't mean they aren't tryin.
> [{quoted}](name=LadyParallel,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=00LiKpU4,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2016-02-14T15:41:29.924+0000) > > Here's wats wrong with ur assumption: Those people most of the times ARE INDEED putting effort into the game. Just cuse they had a bad game doesn't mean they aren't tryin. That may be true but that game, it was pretty obvious that the Teemo on our team was trolling. He would just stand there and let Kallista wail on him despite my attempts to shield him.
: looks like u went back to being ur old (angry) self. how unsurprising. and in answer to ur question. by acting like an adult instead of a spoiled child. this a game. theres nothing to be angry about unless u want to. edit: also ur not on ur smurf as i recall u got banned. that is ur only account.
> [{quoted}](name=LadyParallel,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=00LiKpU4,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-02-13T16:39:33.662+0000) > > looks like u went back to being ur old (angry) self. how unsurprising. > and in answer to ur question. by acting like an adult instead of a spoiled child. this a game. theres nothing to be angry about unless u want to. > edit: also ur not on ur smurf as i recall u got banned. that is ur only account. Actually I didn't. I think its a valid complaint to get tired of people who don't put any effort into the game when you are the only one actually doing anything.
ßoy (NA)
: How can yoj not get angry at retarded board posts. Why do you even let people post this riot!
> [{quoted}](name=fishing l3g3nd,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=00LiKpU4,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-02-13T14:13:04.696+0000) > > How can yoj not get angry at retarded board posts. Why do you even let people post this riot! How can you not get angry at the casual butchering of the English language either. Its "you", not "yoj".
: as someone who mains jinx which is an... "immobile" adc, i know wat its like to have problems with xin and jax howeverr that is an intended weakness of hers and of all immobile mages. they have to have weaknesses somewhere ya know. in this case u avoid problems by warding well in ur laning phase and then using cc on those champions to stop them or just positioning well in teamfights to avoid them. being immobile means u have trouble against more mobile champions but this is normal this is an intended weakness as immobile champions tend to be the ones with bigger strengths that if not stopped quickly will ruin ur god dam life. if u cant catch a jinx and bring her down in a teamfight she will aoe crit u all to death. mages such as veigar which are immobile, if not immediatly killed will burst down ur squishy teammates and stun ur team. people say he has too much damage just like all immobile mages that is something which is there to balance his immobility, other immobile mages may have different ways of balancing that weakness such as strong cc.
> [{quoted}](name=LadyParallel,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gwtPiGfs,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-02-13T13:37:25.034+0000) > > as someone who mains jinx which is an... "immobile" adc, i know wat its like to have problems with xin and jax howeverr that is an intended weakness of hers and of all immobile mages. they have to have weaknesses somewhere ya know. in this case u avoid problems by warding well in ur laning phase and then using cc on those champions to stop them or just positioning well in teamfights to avoid them. being immobile means u have trouble against more mobile champions but this is normal this is an intended weakness as immobile champions tend to be the ones with bigger strengths that if not stopped quickly will ruin ur god dam life. if u cant catch a jinx and bring her down in a teamfight she will aoe crit u all to death. mages such as veigar which are immobile, if not immediatly killed will burst down ur squishy teammates and stun ur team. people say he has too much damage just like all immobile mages that is something which is there to balance his immobility, other immobile mages may have different ways of balancing that weakness such as strong cc. Jinx has her passive which allows her to escape easily with either an assist, tower kill or kill so she does have some form of mobility, she is not strictly "immobile".
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: Lb falls off hard if she doesn't dominate lane. Just lasting lane phase means she loses. Also she is so squish killing her is not hard.
> [{quoted}](name=Live2LetDie,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2QBk2MsX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-02-11T19:31:52.602+0000) > > Lb falls off hard if she doesn't dominate lane. Just lasting lane phase means she loses. Also she is so squish killing her is not hard. Its not about killing her, its about how "fair" she is. Her kit is simply unhealthy in my opinion as she lacks options to deal with her other then bum-rush her.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Diamond Frostman,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BLtXB7ET,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-02-11T18:03:47.774+0000) > > Zed also has a massive playerbase protecting him from substantial nerfs or changes. Most champions do not actually have that. Plus he also had an item specifically designed for him recently so I don't see how you can argue that he is not a "favorite" like {{champion:64}}. Here, look at me, i dont play zed, i havent played him from s3 and i can say, he is nothing special. And do you know, new item {{item:3147}} benefits Zed the least? Before you start looking at me weird saying WTF, think about this: If you are AD, how do you counter Zed? You build {{item:3140}} , ya see? It removes both Zeds ultimate and new item. Now consider these: {{champion:121}} {{champion:56}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:64}} {{champion:203}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:62}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:5}} Would you buy QSS for any of them? No, ofc not. So they can utilize that item fully. Even mages with Zhonya counter it like his ultimate, although u would build Zhonya against others. So Zed practically benefits more from items that he can utilize fully.
> [{quoted}](name=TobiramaSenjuWP,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BLtXB7ET,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-02-11T18:06:20.706+0000) > > Here, look at me, i dont play zed, i havent played him from s3 and i can say, he is nothing special. And do you know, new item {{item:3147}} benefits Zed the least? The unique ability might, but it doesn't negate the fact that its basically Deathfire Grasp for AD assassins and benefits all of them. It even benefits AD bruisers like {{champion:64}}, providing them with a few execute if they prove unable to kill a target on engage. Its just... wrong. You can't take an AP item away because its toxic and then give it to another class of champs. Its the same as what happened to {{champion:26}} "point and click bombs are "toxic" but {{champion:18}} can have them in her rework!
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: AD champs right now have a lot of advantage, particularly some ADC's, right now Yi is currently broken, same goes for Graves, MF, Corki and others. Immobile mages are heavily punished in almost every matchup, thats why I stopped playing Xerath and started maining the jungle with Quinn, Kog'Maw and Leona (they all work, somehow) and I got to platinum 5. Still there is a lot of favouritism for some mages like Lux, Ahri and LB. Zed and Lee Sin haven't been nerfed properly and now we have a new AD Assasin Item when we actually need more AP options.
> [{quoted}](name=Cherysse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BLtXB7ET,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-02-11T18:04:23.906+0000) > > AD champs right now have a lot of advantage, particularly some ADC's, right now Yi is currently broken, same goes for Graves, MF, Corki and others. > Immobile mages are heavily punished in almost every matchup, thats why I stopped playing Xerath and started maining the jungle with Quinn, Kog'Maw and Leona (they all work, somehow) and I got to platinum 5. > > Still there is a lot of favouritism for some mages like Lux, Ahri and LB. > > Zed and Lee Sin haven't been nerfed properly and now we have a new AD Assasin Item when we actually need more AP options. {{champion:103}} and {{champion:7}} both have assassin elements so I would hardly call them "mages" since they both have an easily spammable form of mobility to escape most situations plus LeBlanc has damage that would make {{champion:101}} cry.
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Zed also has a massive playerbase protecting him from substantial nerfs or changes. Most champions do not actually have that. Plus he also had an item specifically designed for him recently so I don't see how you can argue that he is not a "favorite" like {{champion:64}}.
: >Blahblahblah I'm so salty blahblahblah Meanwhile it is the immobile mages such as Lux and Annie who are strong.
> [{quoted}](name=fractalfantasies,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BLtXB7ET,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-11T17:59:32.018+0000) > > Meanwhile it is the immobile mages such as Lux and Annie who are strong. Lux and Annie are both strong, yes... Annie is only used for her Flash+Stun combo and she is completely point and click so I do not consider her a mage. Lux is a strong pick but she would not win against a {{champion:238}} in mid and is better as a support.
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