: It exists to allow bruisers to keep up with damage creep (a term I have been using for the new mastery system since before it was a circlejerk), and itself contributes to true damage creep. Champions who take conqueror are not doing well because only two tanks are meta, and they don't care about true damage. {{champion:36}} {{champion:27}}
> [{quoted}](name=SugeMinPikk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=c4kJWQcQ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-07-16T01:39:57.864+0000) > > It exists to allow bruisers to keep up with damage creep (a term I have been using for the new mastery system since before it was a circlejerk), and itself contributes to true damage creep. Champions who take conqueror are not doing well because only two tanks are meta, and they don't care about true damage. > {{champion:36}} {{champion:27}} As a former Singed main I disagree. Myself and many Singed players have been banning Vayne for YEARS because of it. Now, not only did they make Vayne 2.0 {{champion:145}} , but they tacked on the worst part of her kit except invis on every bruiser that wants it. AFTER giving them {{item:3071}} (which I still think is a toxic item) and giving them dashes and shred and waveclear in their kits on top of high dmg scaling and free cc. Ow, and probably a reflex based defense steroid that outclasses anything tanks have. {{champion:114}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:39}}
: What's the point of tanks anymore??
Just play Tank ADC. You have a babysitter, who probably deals a lot of dmg. Just farm and set up kills for them. Win lane, win game.
Kuponya (NA)
: The only true conclusion to draw from people thinking Wukong is OP or strong is that
NB3 plays Wukong mid when he off-roles on his main. His main is challenger, ergo the thousands of watchers think it's good. But it's only good because he plays it with a rank 3 jungler mindset and skill. Not when you take it in silver 3 as a lux main.
Zac x Me (NA)
: I'M GETTING MARRIEDN'T TONIGHT!!!!!!!!!!
{{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
: Changing Aatrox numbers won't fix how clunky he is, he needs quality of life changes
No! He's a bruiser version of Sion more than he is a skillshot using Jax. Stop forcing shit on champions because you want a 15th generic triforce user.
Azadethe (NA)
: No. He's not. His Base HP scaling makes Tanking at most points of the game virtually impossible, even if he's built and runed tank. The damage overflow/Ignite is just too high to try to play him immobile. When he has 1300 HP, other champs have 2400-2700 HP, or are a sustain champ like an adc. In other words, even if you have 40-50% damage reduction, you're still taking damage from kits designed to kill 2400-2700 HP with 1300 HP. And then there's Conquerer and the new IE which make that all less effective. I'll tell you as I have been telling you: The best way to play Pyke is on MOBILITY. Get him out of a fight after he's done his job and is at risk. Go heal. Then come back. That's the best "tankiness" in the game. I average 34k damage taken per game on Pyke on games where I die once.... and it's not because of armor.
> [{quoted}](name=Azadethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pIUEmAmK,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2018-06-22T19:54:28.594+0000) > > No. He's not. His Base HP scaling makes Tanking at most points of the game virtually impossible, even if he's built and runed tank. The damage overflow/Ignite is just too high to try to play him immobile. When he has 1300 HP, other champs have 2400-2700 HP, or are a sustain champ like an adc. In other words, even if you have 40-50% damage reduction, you're still taking damage from kits designed to kill 2400-2700 HP with 1300 HP. > > And then there's Conquerer and the new IE which make that all less effective. > > I'll tell you as I have been telling you: The best way to play Pyke is on MOBILITY. Get him out of a fight after he's done his job and is at risk. Go heal. Then come back. That's the best "tankiness" in the game. > > I average 34k damage taken per game on Pyke on games where I die once.... and it's not because of armor. Who is talking immobile? What a preposterous assumption. Of course mobility is key, his entire kit is build for it. Point is, masters level Pyke supports build coin and frozen heart, silver level Pyke supports build targons and duskblade. He isn't a tank, you should not play him as such. But you should build him as such.
Lakrosin (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Escheton,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pIUEmAmK,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-21T12:43:02.551+0000) > > Pyke is admittedly very easy to zone off from that cannon with poke due to low health. Buuut, he also regens like a beast. So as long as you don't eat a full leona combo with a Draven hammering on you, you should be fine eating that poke. That wasn't about him getting zoned. That was about him getting one-shot and his ADC getting zoned.
> [{quoted}](name=Lakrosin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pIUEmAmK,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-06-21T12:50:08.773+0000) > > That wasn't about him getting zoned. That was about him getting one-shot and his ADC getting zoned. And I am saying he doesn't get one shot unless he messes up greatly. Not building shields and resist items falls under messing up. He is supposed to be played and build as a tank support. But with more AD and less HP. And with greater regen so you don't have to stay out of a fight to heal up and provide ranged support for too long. The problem is that everyone sees AD support and plays and builds him as an assassin. Which is dumb.
Lakrosin (NA)
: Things wrong with Pyke. Some which have nothing to do with him:
Pyke is admittedly very easy to zone off from that cannon with poke due to low health. Buuut, he also regens like a beast. So as long as you don't eat a full leona combo with a Draven hammering on you, you should be fine eating that poke.
: 4-player discord group troll-surrendered a game we were going to win
It´s a 4 man premade, so it´s normals. Who cares about the actual L or W in normals? You won, they got the W. It was a fun game. Move on.
ANELE (EUNE)
: Bring Back Warmog's Armor to ARAM!
Mages and/or marksmen actually needed to invest a lot of resources to get that 3k health for warmogs heart. Especially if you want it before the end of the game, because lvl 18 is rare. Even with the champ roster being extended to 3 renditions of free week, you still see a lot of Xerath and Ziggs and other annoying poke champs such as Ezreal. Poke comps happen a lot. Warmogs allows teamcomps ill equiped to deal with that (which is largely random) to have an effective way to actually get back into the game. Which otherwise is just a snowball to inhib. Warmogs allowed teams to fight back against a poke team when they where pushed back to their Nexus towers. To ACTUALLY have a midgame instead of a "well fuck, open mid" at 6 minutes when the constant farm denial and and well, death, by poke, has put the non-poke team back so much that even their ults wont save them.
: Kind of off topic, but what's so unnatural about it? Are champions like Irelia just too complex for you or do you actually find Singed more entertaining than champs like Irelia or Fiora? Singed seems like the most boring champion in the game to me.
> [{quoted}](name=Meme God Shrek,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=84pAH34d,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-06-19T01:53:17.949+0000) > > Kind of off topic, but what's so unnatural about it? Are champions like Irelia just too complex for you or do you actually find Singed more entertaining than champs like Irelia or Fiora? Singed seems like the most boring champion in the game to me. I don't like right clicking enemies. Singed E is fine, but I much prefer skill shot reliant champions. Spell-weaving can be alright, but I usually dislike the timings. I like macro over micro. Which is why I liked Singed, most of his choices are map-based, predictive of large scale timings. And not so much micro, twitch based opportunism where you pounce on a mistake. But instead set up a teamfight around dragon by managing waves and global pressures 2 minutes ahead before the support even goes out to ward.
Yuvn Ti (NA)
: LMAO
> [{quoted}](name=Yuvn Ti,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4lucGlUA,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-06-16T02:51:47.343+0000) > > LMAO Laugh, but that shit is currently downloading. And if I like my explorations into the game, I might spend very little time on league, except watch 1 or 2 streamers/youtubers I like for their personality.
Kazo Kurosu (EUNE)
: Explaining Chaos as a mechanic and why it makes new Irelia top tier.
You just made a former Singed player want to pick up a champion from a playstyle (bruiser) that never seemed natural.
: Why am i seeing double junglers now all of a sudden?
Sounds like a basic Twisted Treeline strat but in SR. Get 1 char to take jungle and a lane, support them, watch em carry.
Yuvn Ti (NA)
: Before you make a "curent meta" post and a "dying game" post
Yeah...but I I've never seriously considered actually picking up DoTA before...
FireDrizzle (EUNE)
: 2 dashes to dodge Q, 3 knockups to interrupt it, passive to reduce sion W shield by 40% and sustain to nullify sion e. Sounds a like a fair lane. But honestly I dont see why every new champ should counter shield tanks just because enchanters have been doubling adcs hp bars.
> [{quoted}](name=FireDrizzle,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bKtfqJFi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-15T23:25:33.126+0000) > > 2 dashes to dodge Q, 3 knockups to interrupt it, passive to reduce sion W shield by 40% and sustain to nullify sion e. Sounds a like a fair lane. > > But honestly I dont see why every new champ should counter shield tanks just because enchanters have been doubling adcs hp bars. I meant to play him, tbh. Kinda tired of playing Sion into a team of {{champion:39}} mid, {{champion:145}} adc, {{champion:114}} top, {{champion:64}} jungle, {{champion:497}} support with somehow 3 extra yasuo's and rivens thrown in. Because yeah, after last years down with shields campaigns by some forum members, now riot did so. Down with shields... But only after the worst is over, and mostly hurting champions like Karma and Sion. Who didn't even get to have much of the fun.
: I hate that item and I'm a Sion main.
> [{quoted}](name=Karoloooo,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=wyXhajEF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-15T23:18:00.964+0000) > > I hate that item and I'm a Sion main. I love that item and I used to main Sion support. (god I miss last season)
Rioter Comments
: This is why new players are quitting
Welcome to League, a game where people flame you for being a `n00b` in a beginner level bot game.
: Spear of Shojin
Does this item work against True Damage?
: Isn't Cait suppose to be trash tier this patch?
She has very high range to offset her now low dps. And has a few early means of outputting burst dmg. And she scales like all other adc. She's in a very good spot right now (for Cait mains). Top of the foodchain I would say. With stormrazor, you get punished hard for stepping on a cupcake or in a net.
F1SHEYES (NA)
: Why does Renekton fall of late game?
Because he hits the Renekton bar too hard and stumbles into teamfights.
: you cant reach the 500 ad required to cap this item and 4k hp on the same build. And even if you could you would provably had only 70 armor/35 mr so enemies would be doing true damage -70 to you.
> [{quoted}](name=Myozthirirn,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JmTA6EEb,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-06-06T08:14:41.179+0000) > > you cant reach the 500 ad required to cap this item and 4k hp on the same build. > And even if you could you would provably had only 70 armor/35 mr so enemies would be doing true damage -70 to you. Did a quick 10 minute practise tool to farm to 200 minions. Going Tank runes main, so some extra hp from that, the %health rune, which was underleveled because in a normal game you stand around while your adc farms mid a while and you dont just fast forward 10 minutes to 20 minutes. Anyways. With celerity, gathering storm. {{item:3083}} {{item:3071}} {{item:3053}} {{item:3111}} {{item:3025}} I had 3400HP, 323AD, 156 Armor, 140 Magic resist. Now add the spear, some more realistic farming and you have quite the splitpushing or teamfighting monster. Admittedly, more a bruiser build. But games end by minions pushing if I try to farm realistically. So here is a rough impression. I might start up the PBE in a bit and see what I can do.
LBmyBB (NA)
: I've played lulu where I can refresh the shield before it is even gone. This statement is false.
> [{quoted}](name=Rudolfhilter,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7sOK4y8G,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-06-05T22:05:40.284+0000) > > I've played lulu where I can refresh the shield before it is even gone. This statement is false. I too have played URF
: I will be building this on adcs so tanks dont one combo me in .5 seconds.
> [{quoted}](name=LegitBusinessman,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JmTA6EEb,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-05T22:04:16.191+0000) > > I will be building this on adcs so tanks dont one combo me in .5 seconds. Jhin is going to be disgusting with it.
ZiLess (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Escheton,realm=EUW,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=uYIblpsU,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-05T21:35:34.666+0000) > > Time for Zyra support again so my Ez can actually scale without getting bullied I guess. or just pick the never nerfed brand who stomps the lane regardless who he against, at least in my experience, regardless if im the brand or against xD
> [{quoted}](name=Too Unlucky,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=uYIblpsU,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-06-05T21:45:37.756+0000) > > or just pick the never nerfed brand who stomps the lane regardless who he against, at least in my experience, regardless if im the brand or against xD I find him to be awkwardly short range and bursty.
: The current state of botlane.
Time for Zyra support again so my Ez can actually scale without getting bullied I guess.
KZ Engel (NA)
: can anyone recommend more metal like these?
Those vids are unavailable for me (europe).
: Spear of Shojin
Full AD Sion with 4k Health, 40+% cooldown with celerity and gathering storm adding extra damage reduction to the point that noone breaks his shield and he just slowly moves closer to the nexus with his 400AD is gonna be fun, I guess. How does the damage reduction interact with armor and magic resist?
: How do you make your team get out of your lane?
You take those waves as fast as possible, take the tower with them and rotate mid or top. Take that tower and then keep rotating to catch waves and take towers till you win the game. The whole point of the game is to get to a state that your lane is fluid and you push advantages.
: > [{quoted}](name=Escheton,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=M1d6oQeu,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-06-05T17:35:00.671+0000) > > Eh, honey has a best by date. Because they are legally forced to have one. Does not mean honey actually goes bad. > But yeah, proceed at your own risk. i think it could also have something to do with the container as well. sometimes the containers break down before the contained item does
> [{quoted}](name=Mortekaiser,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=M1d6oQeu,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2018-06-05T20:42:13.067+0000) > > i think it could also have something to do with the container as well. sometimes the containers break down before the contained item does True, or the effectiveness goes down dramatically in the case of non food items. Like, you can keep cleaning products beyond their date, but due to chemical decay over time it just lacks the oomph it had when first bought.
: Read the package. Probably not.
> [{quoted}](name=BobaFlautist,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=M1d6oQeu,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-06-05T17:33:10.900+0000) > > Read the package. Probably not. Eh, honey has a best by date. Because they are legally forced to have one. Does not mean honey actually goes bad. But yeah, proceed at your own risk.
: SHOUT OUT TO THE QUINN MAINS OUT THERE
My shout out to Quinn mains: "AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH, GET AWAY FROM MEEEEE!!! WHY CAN'T I SEE???!! FUCK!!!" *thud* *YOU HAVE BEEN SLAIN*
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=ValiantKiller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ErpfFF4M,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-05T00:36:47.649+0000) > > Ad get good stuff ? You know that tree belong to all assassins/fighters from both AD and AP ? > God i will downvote your comment just cause that. Name the number of auto attacks that are ad vs the number that are ap. Not a lot of AP that would like to get Precision and Domination. Hence, AD gets good stuff.
InTheory (EUW)
: My ARAM feedback
Spectral Cutlass Skarner is absolutely hilarious. And yeah, playing tanks sucks nowdays.
: Why do junglers HAVE TO be weak late game?
Because someone else gets to have fun. They already had their moment of glory. There is only so much spotlight to go around. Junglers have the early, solo laners have midgame, botlane has the late. Sure, nuances change based on champs and gamestate, but this seems to be gist of it. You can't just keep having Epic Moments of Awesome all game long. Not without someone else sacrificing theirs.
: Am I the only one that enjoys "Ultimate hat" being placed in domination tree?
It forces champions like {{champion:43}} into an Assassin tree while Tank and Utility might be preferred for the game/playstyle. They already gave autoattackers ult cooldown on kills/assists. Why does AD always get all the good stuff?
: What is obvious to some, is not obvious to all apparently...
Invidie (NA)
: what are some bannable words/phrases?
: Shield and Heal support item nerf
Damage supports are back. Because adc dmg is pushed back, early damage supports rise up again. Next, we are going to tank support buffs, because it's their turn. They were nerfed recently, so now they need to sit out their turn of reverse rock-paper-scissors. (rock=tank, paper=heal/shield, scissors=dmg)
: Why was kingdom hearts so hyped up??
Nostalgia sells. And this kinda of campaigning sells to kids. Even those suddenly feeling like a kid for a second because they were just having a nice flashback.
: Do you know what's kind of funny? That we did have a game mode with fast paced short games. It was called "Dominion", and it got so unpopular that Riot removed it from the standard modes. For this reason imho it is possible that trying to push Summoner's Rift to have fast paced short games might prove to be... quite counterproductive.
> [{quoted}](name=Disulfiram,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fpubE88I,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-06-03T18:13:35.140+0000) > > Do you know what's kind of funny? > That we did have a game mode with fast paced short games. > > It was called "Dominion", and it got so unpopular that Riot removed it from the standard modes. > > For this reason imho it is possible that trying to push Summoner's Rift to have fast paced short games might prove to be... quite counterproductive. Yeah, personally didn't like it because it was just full of assassins and Teemo. No place for a tank or support player. Which I almost exclusively was at the time.
: In the current state of league I'm only useful if I can get my full combo off before I die in fights
Yes, that's what League is actively pushing towards. If you want slower fights and macro that matters; play DOTA. League is very much working to make games more explosive. So if you don't like getting blown up. Other options (short of playing tanks) are available.
: Its really fun getting 1 shot by a 1 item Wukong
He's a splitpush assassin with teamfight initiation. If he farms well, he should do dmg with a full combo at the 1 item spike.
: Stack sustain tanks and autowin aram.
With that team comp you lose the fight the second Veigar uses cage for anything other than reactive peel. Veigars in ARAM are insane full yolo stack hungry maniacs. They don't peel.Xayah dies, you lose the game. Also, this would be the type of teamcomp to not play tank veigar into, you lack dmg like this.
Kalistarc (EUNE)
: Garen is so strong right now, 0 counter play.
Ok, but only when also going Celerity. All bout dat burst.
saltran (EUW)
: I have to try it with MF but looks better on assasins indeed.
> [{quoted}](name=saltran,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Qw8ENzEo,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-05-02T16:29:17.608+0000) > > I have to try it with MF but looks better on assasins indeed. Holy, Lethality build with Stormrazor. One auto with double up nukes everyone except Cho and Malphite and the like.
Merlinez (NA)
: DEMACIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA {{item:3142}}{{item:3147}} {{item:3031}} {{item:3087}}
> [{quoted}](name=Merlinez,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=eK9kYo97,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-03T13:52:00.330+0000) > > DEMACIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA > > {{item:3142}}{{item:3147}} {{item:3031}} {{item:3087}} You forgot {{item:3742}} for more movement speed and burst dmg.
: Mecha Zero Sion Chroma wasn't released?
I got so excited when I saw the chroma icon on my Mecha Sion. Then I checked the store...browse...browse...browse...search! Disappointment...
: They didn't limit your re-queue time, correct?
> [{quoted}](name=FenLightstep,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=j3eYgs6F,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-25T20:23:21.757+0000) > > They didn't limit your re-queue time, correct? Correct, but I rarely dodge or dc. So besides it knowing it's a bug and not giving a penalty; it could also just be that first offences don't have one.
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