Ðïana (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Esdese,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qEM0YB4U,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-12-15T17:07:42.599+0000) > > Gonna be honest, it's part of their responsibility and nothing more than their obligation. Three days in a row having downed servers at night, it's something they have to apologize for. > > I am not thanking them at all. If someone broke your car window and somehow decided to pay back, you wouldn't thank them, would you? At least I wouldn't, because that's what they are expected to do. Not wanting to be a dick towards them, but I think we shouldn't thank them like as if it was a blessing from them. The big problem with that analogy is that you have to replace your car window. It has a real value. A few days of not being able to play a video game has no physical value, has nothing you need to replace, etc. The only "responsibility" they'd have would be to provide the ~30 tokens that people were unable to get from missions those days, and even that is something that MANY game companies wouldn't bother to compensate. Why be so ungrateful? Sure, you missed some time playing - But it happens. The game is up all year round, having a few days with problems is is still less than 1% of the time. They're giving a VERY good reward(If you don't have the snowdown pass), for having missed those few days. Be happy that you got it. You now have more tokens than I have(Just by doing that 1 mission) and I've done every mission every day. You got a reward, a reward worth significantly more than you missed out on(Unless you're a pass holder and crammed a lot of games into those evenings), there's no reason whatsoever to be upset. It's much closer to you tried to say something, someone spoke over you, and they apologized for it. No one really lost anything, they apologized when they didn't NEED to do so(But should do so), then gave you a cookie because they interrupted you.
> [{quoted}](name=Ðïana,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qEM0YB4U,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-12-15T17:19:55.097+0000) > > The big problem with that analogy is that you have to replace your car window. It has a real value. A few days of not being able to play a video game has no physical value, has nothing you need to replace, etc. The only "responsibility" they'd have would be to provide the ~30 tokens that people were unable to get from missions those days, and even that is something that MANY game companies wouldn't bother to compensate. > > Why be so ungrateful? Sure, you missed some time playing - But it happens. The game is up all year round, having a few days with problems is is still less than 1% of the time. They're giving a VERY good reward(If you don't have the snowdown pass), for having missed those few days. Be happy that you got it. You now have more tokens than I have(Just by doing that 1 mission) and I've done every mission every day. You got a reward, a reward worth significantly more than you missed out on(Unless you're a pass holder and crammed a lot of games into those evenings), there's no reason whatsoever to be upset. > > > It's much closer to you tried to say something, someone spoke over you, and they apologized for it. No one really lost anything, they apologized when they didn't NEED to do so(But should do so), then gave you a cookie because they interrupted you. I still don't get your point, I am not thanking them for that. I don't say thanks to someone who apologizes to me (last paragraph of yours) for literally apologizing. And I am not upset, I am just not going to thank them for something I didn't even ask them to do, plus ... it's not like they are doing me a favor. Sure, they could have said: "We are not going to do anything about that." - Whatever, I wasn't actually expecting them to, simply because I expect 0 from this company. I think they deserve to be thanked on other sides rather than on this insignificant aspect (for instance, for creating the pass in the first place, because it's totally worth the purchase for us), because the way the OP mentioned, it sounds more like ass-licking to me than actual thanking, no offense.
: Thanks Riot for the 125 tokens to EUW !!
Gonna be honest, it's part of their responsibility and nothing more than their obligation. Three days in a row having downed servers at night, it's something they have to apologize for. I am not thanking them at all. If someone broke your car window and somehow decided to pay back, you wouldn't thank them, would you? At least I wouldn't, because that's what they are expected to do. Not wanting to be a dick towards them, but I think we shouldn't thank them like as if it was a blessing from them.
: The fact that a champion like reworked Akali could make it to live is a joke
The fact they haven't fixed creep block (and it keeps getting worse and worse after each patch) is even more amazing (this also affects playing against her btw).
: > [{quoted}](name=SunDragonz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rsXYf055,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-12-14T08:56:02.457+0000) > > I disagree. CerT has made this game a much more fun game for many people. Almost all his champion reworks or original champs are so rewarding and fun to play with a high skillcap. You can't just first time Yasuo, Akali, Zed, and especially Zoe without feeding yo butt off. His champs while kinda broken have freshened up league for many players. You are in the minority. His champs suck with overloaded op kits. Yas, Zed, Akalai, and Zed are all usually in the top 10 for ban rates. Just imagine over 140 champs and these 4 champs are usually in the top 10 ban rates. I guarantee I can make a champ with overloaded kit with will make top ban rate. He is not a good designer and I'm coming from a gaming background.
"You are in the minority" --> Therefore you are wrong. Logics. By the way, avoid repeating the same champion twice in order to gather up a "big list". It's three, not four. I am surprised you even get glorified with upvotes for writing out so much MANIPULATED shit. EDIT: Plus, Zed wasn't designed by CertainlyT.
: Yes it does if the design is so horrible literally noone wants to play against her. Noone cares about darius because only low elo bans him same with yasuo. Quinn always gets gutted once she is popular rightfully so. Teemo makes them too much money and someone at riot HQ has a boner for kennen ruining toplane. Akali on the other hand is universally hated by EVERYONE. This champ is so downright retarded i have no words for it. I only actually laned against her two times because she is permabanned and dear god. It's like playing ardent meta for half a year. Q spam, the healing, the dashes left and right, stealth, slow, mini stun, more healing, more slow, burst, dashes away, dashes to you, goes invis, attacks you while being so fast in stealth again you cannot retaliate. WHAT IS THIS CHAMP. Like i played her two times myself and am really bad on her and still did somewhat decently. If someone actually good plays her? Alt+F4 and get out of this shit.
Not really, not "everyone" as you claim, because I certainly do not hate playing against her. Moreover, you just stated, in the middle of so many non-logical words, you have no in-game knowledge when playing against her. You state "Q spam" but I wonder how you spam an ability that nukes 100 of your energy pool (down to mere 80, which ... is still 2 casts max). One of their intentions on this rework was to remove the Q spam, and they succeeded at it. "The dashes left and right" - Guess Katarina also fits into your "universally hated" category, right? Akali only dashes that much towards you if you are a genuine brainless that refuses to dodge a simple ability as her E. As for her ultimate ... 120 seconds, really? "left and right" - If that expression was used to imply repetition and "uninterruptibility", then you genuinely do not seem to play at all against her. About invisibility and stealth, I do agree on that. Though, not Akali's fault the Balance Team are a bunch of morons and stubborn fucks who refuse to accept that her "true stealth mechanic" is actually broken. So long the true stealth exists, her kit will be broken to its core ... so ... ya. Thank Meddler. Guess in his next Gameplay Thoughts, he will [indirectly] glorify himself and his entire team [again] for doing jackshit and just observing mere graphics and addressing no issues at all. Then he gets promoted for doing nothing, what a joke working environment. So ... I don't know why your hate is so intense ... moreover, I can't understand why you point out towards everything in her kit when only a tiny bit of it is actually responsible for this whole mess.
Pika Fox (NA)
: All events are on a static timed delay. If you havnt had an event in 2 or 3 minutes, probably shouldnt use your long CDs.
Come on ... you can't be serious about defending this. It's ridiculous. It's an event, and I expect everyone to have as much fun as I do. You state 2 or 3 minutes. But flash has a 210 second cooldown (more than the time it takes to switch events), so ... if I waste it, should I be punished too? We might as well fold our arms and do nothing in-between each event, if that's the case. You are asking me to "guess" when the next event will be and to take actions against it. No, it's wrong, and while I respect (though I still don't understand) your view, I am not giving up on this idea.
Pika Fox (NA)
: None of the events resets CDs. All events are announced prior, so you can recall, buy and save CDs for them. Dont waste your CDs knowing an event is about to start.
Do you have a brain? You state "prior", but amazingly you don't state how early they announce it, do you? Because it's almost none. I am not gonna prevent myself from using an ultimate of 120 or even 90 seconds, because an announcement is going to be _made_ in 10-20 seconds (40-60 seconds in total). "Dont waste your CDs knowing an event is about to start." -- My cooldowns generally have 30 seconds cooldown, that's why (lol)
: Riot has got some explaining to do
Wanna talk about the fact you go in a 2v2 and 1v1 "matchups" without getting your cooldowns reset so you can actually have a fair chance of winning?
Rioter Comments
: RIOT WHAT HAVE YOU DONE
Don't get me wrong, the splash is amazing. Now the in-game model ... not worth a single penny (imo), too many whites. And at certain graphic configurations you won't be able to even distinguish his hair from his skin.
: SOMETHING THAT HAS BUGGED ME FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, WILL IT NEVER CHANGE?
Sad, in Europe we will no longer be capable of even previewing the skins/chromas through videos ... I cry. #Article_13 sends its best regards.
Teridax68 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=KnifeCat,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1nZqW9ns,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-11-25T12:42:35.538+0000) > > Lol Meddler talking about being happy with the results of the changes Meddler is always happy with the results of the changes. Every single Quick Gameplay Thoughts post has been a self-congratulatory puff piece, even at the times when League and its social media were on fire. Virtually none of them feature any concrete response to meaningful player feedback, nor has the player feedback there or anywhere else produced any change in League in all but the most extreme of cases. At the end of the day, Meddler's role boils down more to PR than to actual gameplay design, as Riot's design is so disconnected from the playerbase's concerns at large that there's no real point in pretending that he's here to listen to player feedback, let alone incorporate it into the game's design or balance.
Solemn and unfortunate truth.
BBQ10 (NA)
: it won't happen. Whoever is in charge for the state of the game probably doesn't play the game.
: Is the game really in a good balance state right now?
I will quote: "{{champion:55}} Now this one I'm sure you're all familiar with, she's 0-3 in lane, 1 skirmish later she's 3-3, then gets gunblade and turns into 23-3. Much like Kayn it really feels like there is no situation where she can't comeback. And in lane, if I'm an immobile champion I really can't do anything, it's very difficult to punish her because of her dashes." Must be a joke right? She's useless as fuck, even scarra says so. Along with kayn ... what are you even on about?
Zardo (NA)
: This "go next" mentality is REALLY getting out of hand
You're funny. Try to win a game where the enemy has already taken all your outer and inner towers while your team has taken none (or 1, just to say the least). While the champ picks (themselves), already state the victor from the very beginning. Better give up and move on than spending the next 20 minutes cuddling each other under a 9 feet size paper. "Play to win" ... rofl ... more like "Play to waste time that could be used for two games." Honestly? After the 30 min mark, I start to get bored. Simply because in most of my (and others' games) I can instantly say who will win that mach, just by staring 2s at the map. I don't even need to consider the KDA (that's another measure that only brings _my word_ to 100% truth levels) for that. And guess what? I am never wrong. But let me be even more honest, season 9 won't fix shit. Outer towers are a guaranteed loss after 14-15 minutes, and they give more gold than before (they literally kept the first tower bonus after adding 5 multipliers of gold along the 3 towers of the map). The only thing I can say for sure is that at least when you ace (if your team's behind), your minions will [finally and] actually move their legs (if they have any ...). _I am not saying people should AFK though ..._
: > [{quoted}](name=ShunposCastTime,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cpu4m4V0,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-11-03T15:25:20.497+0000) > > {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:84}} > > No. you forgot urgot and aatrox
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: Maybe this concept of balance is alien to you but when we are talking about potential buffs/nerfs, sometimes other champions that are being played on the same lane as the said champion, ACTUALLY IMPACT THEIR POWER LEVELS. Which means that Kai'Sa is potentially fine except that the usual supports do too damn good of a job in providing the protection/safety Kai'Sa lacks. This likely skews her own power level and leads people to believe that she needs to be nerfed more, where in the chance you do that, you will condemn her to basically be only marginally playable with those specific supports and trash when paired with everyone else.
You want me to be totally honest? I would agree with such a "tactic" if it actually worked. Besides, why nerf other champions to balance the game around **one** champion? You are literally (and indirectly) affecting others' gameplay simply because the champion you are playing synergizes better with other champion ... And I mean, it wasn't just one champion [that synergized with kai'sa], they nerfed more than one, actually. But the worst of this stupid ideology of balance is that they buffed other ones that are good "against" kai'sa - Meanwhile they are played with her. Doesn't make any sense, and the proof that their way of balancing the game is wrong and "futile" speaks for itself. A second staring at the game is enough to reach that conclusion. _By the way, people can downvote me to hell, the truth is they will upvote the next vote for saying the same thing I said but under different words. - Hypocrisy at its best, or easily-persuaded minds, your call._
: Glad I could give you a giggle!
Think there is a disparity between laughing and giggling. Dictionaries are useful sometimes, y' know?
: You're definitely right in that it was a mistake made by Riot! We're working on getting a fix out since this is actually a bug :(
Don't forget, along with the fix, to nerf other champions in order to balance Kai'Sa (best joke 2018 I have ever heard from you tbh).
Skorch (NA)
: just saying, a 65% winrate out of 23 games is hardly a scary number considering the fact that 23 games is hardly enough to judge winrate off of.
He is not talking about standard solo-queue games, he is talking about pro-play scene. And yes, it is.
: And who gets to judge what is too much? You? I could find half a million people that disagree with your view point of what that is. What’s unfair for one person is perfectly fine for another. That is my point. You can measure objective things: damage has gone up. What you can’t measure is subjective things: when that amount reaches “too much”
Can you literally shut up? Right now, you are shooting your own leg with every word you post. The fact you defend the current state of the game by calling it stable (and don't come saying you didn't say such a thing) is just ... ridiculous and absurd. You are literally blind to everything around you, and if no one ever told you that, then I will be the first one telling you that. The only thing you mentioned and that is definitely true is the fact they never stated the problem was solved. But for fucks sake, saying the problem is stabilized by contrast makes you look dumber than anything. And even if, somehow, someone was to agree with your stupid point of view (half a million ** cough * *) his vision would change just by staring for a millisecond at the patch notes of the latest patch. They literally buffed damage across the board after (as you said) calling it "stable" - So let's see it: after an entire season (it has been that long honestly), they started fixing up the fucking damage issue but hey! Let's fuck all that up by buffing a few other champions (actually, and correcting myself, a few on-going-meta champions). But moreover! The worst of all is that you actually dare to agree, for a second, with their view. It is too fucking much. And, actually, too much, in its deepest sense can mean "enough" (dressed up under the idiom of "bottled up") it doesn't necessarily have to be a quantity matter. That is something you failed to notice in his message. Tiring, wearing - Capable of becoming so unbearable that you can't contain your anger/hatred for it anymore. Too much damage, is definitely that. It is annoying, tiring to the point you can't just ignore it anymore. Read more, and maybe you will actually understand the meaning of things. I am not even a native and I know more than you do, fucks sake ...
: That actually explains why a friend of mine who says things like "oh well I guess we just dont deserve ganks" or "Hey you wanna land a skillshot this game?" (We call it being PAT: Passive Aggressive Toxic) only gets10 or 25 chat bans. He's gotten a total of 4 penalies in the 3-4 years of playing ad they were never gameplay bans. This is nice to know actually. As Honor is now linked to both rewards and the punishment system, knowing you only Ban players for extreme uses (like slurs, hate speech and the rainbow of ways to tell someone kill them self) is a relief to people like me who want to make genuine complaints about bad or mean players, but fear being seen as "just as bad" and banned.
I am 100% sure those two first [sample] sentences of his - all alone - were not the cause of a chat restriction. The system is terrible at detecting insultive metaphors along with passive aggressive attitude, so long these don't inclusive offensive-tagged words. "Wanna land a skill-shot this game?" will never result in chat restriction if it is just that all alone for one simple reason: The system, sadly, sucks ... hard.
Celiorap (NA)
: >lol you cant say that Japan diam = gold na etc there is no way to verify this to make this statement true. Less people play in Japan, less people care about the game. Korea = Most players, people who spend 16+ hours a day of just playing
Nani da fuq? It's hilarious how you state 60% win rate but then you bring a screenshot stating 50.5% win rate. Can't believe I am seeing this. Tfw you need to manipulate the information so ignorant/uninformed people get to defend you or even agree with you in the slightest way.
Jaegaer (OCE)
: Then you agree that its unfair that theres a mission for an all ziggs or all sona comp. These missions are a joke honestly
You see, that's what happens when the brainless heads making these events don't use PBE to actually extract feedback about the gamemode. They probably just fill up mission requirements and conditionals and that's it - They probably didn't even play it, or lost like 15 games in a row to actually _have the chance_ to win. They also forget you need a prepared team for that - 5 team members shit requests all over again.
: > [{quoted}](name=SKT T1 IUs Oppa ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IIVKWNgs,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-09-04T21:28:08.974+0000) > > That may be a reasonable claim but they often remove posts for non reasons such as "witch hunting". Except "witch hunting" **is** a reason...
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IIVKWNgs,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-04T23:40:21.822+0000) > > Except "witch hunting" **is** a reason... Read again what he said, you genuinely missed the crucial point in his message pathetically. I seriously cannot believe you are a native but incapable of understanding what is written right in front of you ... sad.
: > [{quoted}](name=Romans VI XXIII,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=aKEuZNtg,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-09-04T04:31:08.165+0000) > > I was banned from entering a room based of something I can not control, and my wife was looked down apon as if she is to weak to speak her own mind/stand up for her self. > > And it's not just I who deserves an apology the intire community including you does, man, women, or some where between all deserves one. > > Sexism/Racism is disgusting no matter who it's against or coming from. Riot having private discussion with someone else doesn't affect you. Riot, a very large company, came to this decision; not one person. Nike is doing the same thing, with JustDoIt and is one of the biggest corporations on Earth. These are extremely large groups of quality, influential, educated people using their success to help society and in no way are doing anything to negatively effect anyone. I don't need to ask, you know, as well as I, you have nothing to complain about. Get on the right side of things by just being positive towards everyone and being the best you, you can be. No one has ever been holding you, or anyone like you, back.
> [{quoted}](name=Power Cosmic,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=aKEuZNtg,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2018-09-04T04:51:06.366+0000) > > Riot having private discussion with someone else doesn't affect you. Riot, a very large company, came to this decision; not one person. Nike is doing the same thing, with JustDoIt and is one of the biggest corporations on Earth. These are extremely large groups of quality, influential, educated people using their success to help society and in no way are doing anything to negatively effect anyone. I don't need to ask, you know, as well as I, you have nothing to complain about. Get on the right side of things by just being positive towards everyone and being the best you, you can be. No one has ever been holding you, or anyone like you, back. Out of all honesty: Do you have a mental issue that stops you from recognizing the gravity of the situation? "in no way are doing anything to negatively effect anyone" --> Prohibiting a gender from accessing interesting events that probably many men would have wanted to surely does not affect anyone (/s in case you can't comprehend this too). Your other idea of: _Nike does it, then any other company can do it_ is absolutely mind blowing of how ridiculous it can be. Also, and actually, he has all the rights to complain about it. If his wife was to enter inside that room, he was going to be forced to stay outside doing something else without her. People like to be together, enjoying events together, having fun together, learning stuff together - This change not only is a sexist attitude (impeding a gender from accessing a room for the sake of "gender equality change", under the philosophy of rioters) towards men (and even women disagree with it), as it is also a way of separating people and destroying all the fun there could be inside that place.
: That’s a pretty well executed Turret dive with Blitz taking agro for nearly every hit. That’s how that’s supposed to work. The one hit that Ezreal takes nearly instakills him due to the heating up passive not resetting on targets.
> [{quoted}](name=AvantelWings,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ydRX0xwL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-30T13:11:33.643+0000) > > That’s a pretty well executed Turret dive with Blitz taking agro for nearly every hit. That’s how that’s supposed to work. The one hit that Ezreal takes nearly instakills him due to the heating up passive not resetting on targets. Should anyone bother trying to prove why you are wrong? God, please. If at level 4-5 (in bot lane) it is perfectly normal to hold out a threat+dive for more than 20 seconds then I seriously don't know how far this game will go to maintain your philosophy. 4 shots seem to not be enough for blitz in the first attempt - After that his health doesn't even move from the next tower shots, either through shielding (passive) or random heals (thanks triumph). Especially, because Leone actually kept doing her best to survive, but let's be honest. She could be in the middle of the jungle, probably she would have more chances of survival thanks to the walls rather than in the middle of that useless "fortification".
: I never stated that I was going for every point of that person's thread, I said specifically the cast time, sorry you misread. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
I like your response after the edit you made on your thread on the second paragraph (wish I had "screenshoted" it). And still, the information you mentioned (before) was invalid. You said it had no cast time, when it had - I didn't misread it, that I am certain about. Either way, it's not like Riot will care about their thread - So, yah.
: An important message from everyone who understands balance mains to Katarina mains
I will simply show why I disagree. It starts with the second paragraph of your thread. I suggest you to inform yourself before actually taking any actions or, if anything, to try to defend your different point of view. You literally mentioned: An ability with 14 seconds CD (that decreases with levels and CDR) - Despite Katarina never getting more than 20 CDR (sometimes 10 is the max for her usual build), I don't think it is an issue here. The issue is when you say the ability has NO CAST TIME and simultaneously, you say not to put it an instantaneous blink - Like ... What? The ability HAS CAST TIME, that is the reason of that entire thread! They are mainly requesting a cast time removal, everything else is optional. Their main intent is to only take out those 0.5 seconds cast time on her E that usually cancels/ignores any commands the player gives during that time (which leads to unexpected results in-game) - Sure they said if Riot ever wants to (they most likely will not) bring a visual rework to her, then her E animation should sound more like a blink rather than a visually-looking dash and it makes sense. Anyway, I genuinely stopped reading the rest of your text simply because you literally missed their point right in the start.
: At no point does this post mention that the intention is a revert. It explains the necessities of cleaning up Kat's kit to respond more fluidly and appropriately.
I think it's not even worth mentioning that. The overall reason he uses is just ... brainless (if that's enough to adjectivize his statement). --> A certain group of mains asked x for their champion and didn't get it. Therefore, if another group of mains of another champion asked for x for theirs, they also shall not get it because **_THEY DON'T DESERVE IT_**. Makes no sense at all.
: > [{quoted}](name=Unvictus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n48HBN8V,comment-id=001c0000,timestamp=2018-08-28T07:15:34.327+0000) > > You realize that her shunpo doesn’t fully reset early in the game. Please don’t over exaggerate by saying EWQE combo will 100-0 any laner at level 3. If you use that combo at level 3 you have to wait approximately 4 seconds before you can use the second shunpo.. how is that undodgeable? That is more than enough time to just walk in a different direction from her q dagger. Later in the game, sure her shunpo gets pretty much fully reset but considering she falls off late and still has to wait for daggers to actually drop it seems pretty fair. Especially when you have Rengar, Talon and Leblanc literally bursting people in way less time cause they have no delay on their burst. there isn't a safe direction to walk in lane against a katarina other than backwards, she e'ed on top of you, you either get to walk to either side while eating her auto attacks, you walk into her while eating her auto attacks, or you walk backwards and get hit by a guaranteed katarina dagger because its impossible to walk in the q daggers direction and outrange the spin. Literally the only way to not get 100-0 by that is to hope that the q dagger lands under your turret so she doesn't get to teleport to that, and even then its on shaky grounds whether you get out alive.
You are overreacting right now. I used to main Kat - Got tired of her (especially because there are funnier champs to play with - Swain and/or Akali). But either way, I am not understanding your point of view. As Unvictus stated, you have 4 seconds (3.1, to be exact) to react. I will agree that E W Q [...] combo is absolutely and tremendously stupid, but it also has weaknesses, overall. It also depends on what mage you picked. If you pick veigar (I am using him because we all know he is one of the weakest against katarina) you can't expect to have the same chances of survival as if you were playing orianna or syndra. It's unfortunate the fact that E W Q procs her electrocute with just her E Q and the incoming AA, but you still have a lot of time to start building your escape path, dodging the Q dagger - I can't go on around telling you which direction to choose since it depends on many factors (most of the times I decide to troll her around my minions because she will most likely lose the same amount of health I lost - Remember she is forced to stay 3.1 seconds inside plus ... _there is the minion block lol_). Not everything is around: "Run, you have no chances." - Specially in this meta where running is out of the question, simply because YOU HAVE THE DAMAGE to fight anyone with anything and if you just run, you will be taking free damage. Overall, the only chance you have of dodging the Q dagger is to go to the sides of the lane and as soon as you back up you instantly purchase null-magic mantle - Trust me, it seems irrelevant, but it destroys her damage up until she either gets boots or builds Void Staff. You should just study the situation out. I believe this matchup is healthier than playing against a Zed or even Swain honestly - Not going to mention Yasuo because imo he is just an ATM for me. PS (EDIT): I only used mages as an example, but I am sure mid lane assassins easily take her down ... so ... yeah ...
LEAFERA (EUNE)
: 100 to 0 under tower at lvl 1, in 2 Seconds
Well, according to Meddler, Talon's high damage is an illusion and the cause of this stupid situation comes from the fact there was no Tank in mid lane to mitigate damage. I would suggest all of you to keep the mouths shut and listen to the best leader Balance Team ever had (LOOOL)
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Toxic Control,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zqEVteXz,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-08-08T03:43:55.567+0000) > > Is................ > > Is that a fucking 100% increase.........? No. It's a 40% increase. https://i.gyazo.com/f976d7d36d759a991ba51304366303d5.png
Can't you just divide 100 by 250? I can't believe they have websites for literally everything, doesn't surprise me why this balance team is terrible - They don't even need to use brains (~~sry, forgot they don't have brains~~) to calculate right now because a computer does that for them.
: Considering it as part of upcoming preseason. Unlikely much will be done on that front before then.
Riot: "Let's buff turrets" --> Turret's max health increased by 100 (except for nexus turrets, they shall lose 900 hp) --> As a compensation, and in order to not prevent those 100 hp from stalling games to 90 minutes, all turrets now take 30% more damage from minions, plus, turret damage against super minions is now 1% of their max health. "We listen to our community."
Grrumpyx (EUW)
: Hi Meddler! Can you please give us a clear answer about small changes in {{champion:55}} 's kit? Just like you did with Fizz- it would be nice to have a look at her and see why most of katarina players are feelin that she is slow. Let me just drop here what I can read from most of the post of katarina players * Dagger dropping time (also her W) * Fix Gunblade bugs * E casting time * Ult AP Ratio It's not about changing all of that, but it's more about knowing if you guys can have a look at it and maybe update or buff her current kit. Ty for reading!
Slow? What!? It's funny you bring that champion into a thread that focuses on the current damage of the game, because that _shit_ (sorry, but that's literally how I can describe it) is the best way of representing damage right now, and the way she can easily proc eletrocute when jumping to a dagger with ONLY ONE E is totally obnoxious. Now out of my pure honesty, I don't think she deserves any buffs at all - Hextech Gunblade and Electrocute work way too well on her at the moment. If you requested something like making her kit a little smoother (like Irelia's) maybe people here would agree with you; until then, it's a solid no: She does not need any buffs at all. Nice try though.
SatomiKun (EUW)
: {{champion:6}} https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/zqs3c7p0eszai326rxnc.Jpg
: ***
If his thread is pointless by merely stating a few [of the many] reasons why he is quitting then your post goes belong the concept of _pointlessness _ not to mention it just shows your ignorance towards the state of things that surround you. And actually, yes, some people would still "cry" about it, but I guess nothing can go beyond the definition of incompetence other than **this** balance team ... so, better cry for something better than remaining silent about it.
: Stay in fountain. They can't kill you, if they can't reach you https://i.imgur.com/ceqSpHg.jpg[/img]
Right now not even in the fountain you are safe - They get in, 1s you, and get out with less 1000 HP because they can just deal the tripe of that in 0.4 seconds.
bbQsauçe (EUW)
: ***
+55 attack damage +10% cooldown reduction UNIQUE Passive: +18 Lethality UNIQUE Passive – NIGHTSTALKER: After being unseen for at least 1 second, your next basic attack against an enemy champion deals 30 - 200 (based on level) bonus on-hit physical damage and Slow icon slows by 99% for 0.25 seconds. The enhanced attack lasts 5 seconds after being seen by an enemy champion. [and more...] The last aforementioned passive mixed with the stats is definitely **NOT** worth 2900 gold. I mean, most people pick this item because they are just delusional, as you stated. Should I mention how much you can abuse that passive to your advantage when you don't have Duskblade's third passive (BLACKOUT), and always get to know if a bush is either warded or not at the cost of absolutely nothing? The only statement in your reply that I agree with is the part about Yoummu's - It is **NOT** worth the 2900g.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Dark SouI,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Owmz53Zd,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-06-27T20:17:00.379+0000) > > I can see your point, and it may be the likely scenario if Garen loses ... however, the God-King Darius reminds me a LOT of Armstrong from Metal Gear Rising: Reveneance. His view points are shockingly identical to Darius, or vice versa. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmWQd8zhEg4 > > I've seen all of God-King Darius's quotes and while he is probably (and certainly) a villain, he doesn't discriminate. He welcomes anyone, with different views / opinions / ideals so long as they're strong. He doesn't like those hiding behind walls (or in this case, Garen hiding behind his army). Ok maybe not 'hiding' but it certainly seems foolish to have your men defending against a God like Darius (as seen in the trailer, his Q takes out 20+ men in one swoop). I would still risk it, because i'd rather have freedom and fight than sit around having to kiss a tyrant's boot, only to die pointlessly anyways. Dying whilst following Darius is pointless as well. You don't accomplish anything by doing so, but the complete destruction of society and possibly the extinction of mankind. Atleast Garen is holding shit together, even if he is a cruel leader. Darius just wants to watch the world burn.
> [{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Owmz53Zd,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2018-06-27T20:27:30.719+0000) > > Dying whilst following Darius is pointless as well. > > You don't accomplish anything by doing so, but the complete destruction of society and possibly the extinction of mankind. > > Atleast Garen is holding shit together, even if he is a cruel leader. > > Darius just wants to watch the world burn. Implying the world is good as it is.
: Garen's skin in-game + splash art + dance are far superior to that of Darius's (not to mention garen is already winning so might as well pick him for 1000 BE, know what im saying)
> [{quoted}](name=I Like Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Owmz53Zd,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-27T18:37:00.777+0000) > > Garen's skin in-game + splash art + dance are far superior to that of Darius's > > > (not to mention garen is already winning so might as well pick him for 1000 BE, know what im saying) You mean, a skin that all it has is shining here shining there. I can't see anything special in it, actually, I think Warring Kingdoms has the exact same amount of creativity than it, except VO which is also terrible imo.
: > [{quoted}](name=Mordepool,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ObhkZtve,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-27T01:23:42.696+0000) > > Wtf Sorcery Keystones are shit dom keystones arent crazy either. dark harvest takes a really long time to stack up, with most games not lasting very long. predator is kindof good but incredibly easy deactivated even by random minion damage. the cooldown is also really long, and you dont have a keystone at least until your first back, when you pick up boots. electrocute is really strong, but on a 50 second cooldown. you can fire 10 arcane comets in that time and probably still deal the same damage when 80% of them are missing. hail of blades is kindof weird and very specialized. im finding it difficult to find applications for this. id say out of all trees, sorcery and domination have the weakest keystones. though "weak" isnt entirely true either. theyre just very specialized towards specific champions (like arcane comet is good on morgana or zyra and trash on malzahar).
I agree with your points except for electrocute. You forget to mention it is not relatively easy to bring up 10 arcane comets in 50 seconds. And since 1 second or 2 can make all the difference in this game, I wouldn't talk about Electrocute's power around level 1 (except for Swain: He can proc it with one E + Passive + AA; and a few others) but more around level 3 when it is 47.1 (v.s 19) seconds cooldown and deals 70 damage (ignoring base stats coming from the rune path - Which has just gotten stronger). Electrocute is kind of broken, it is not balanced in most aspects and "50" seconds are not going to fix any of this; what I think is worse, is the fact you can just put an ignite and get one stack into Electrocute ... that's simply stupid and probably the worst because you literally get even more damage (true, in this case). Electrocute is quite overpowered compared to Dark Harvest, Hail of Blades (shouldn't even be a keystone) and Predator, plus I believe its power should get tuned down a little bit - Not to mention the slight delay it has when you hit 3 abilities, is even worse.
: Yes, because Kayn's passive bonus damage is increased after mitigation.
Do you have any idea of the words you just wrote? **Hayaishi** literally mentioned one ability - So yes, that's what it means - One ability dropped her HP by half, and then you come here talking about Kayn's passive? Even if we were to consider Kayn's passive, it would make no sense + 45 armor is worthless against any AD. You better off playing Malphite if you actually wish to gather enough defensive stats to fight any AD (and even then ...)
: > [{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sjRVpEje,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-02T17:07:14.190+0000) > > I would much rather have a perfectly balanced game that never gets any updates whatsoever. > > Than a completely broken game where the blackboard is wiped every 2 weeks. As much as good as that may sound it's not fully the case that they don't want to balance it but it's literally impossible. There's over 100+ champions, over 400+ different abilities that each have different impacts in the game and making it all be balanced is quite difficult. There are some champions who together are really strong and automatically win and there are some that are weak and etc.. If they were to actually attempt to make it more balanced they would honestly have to start everything from scratch because reverting a lot of changes is also a tedious and uneasy task. If they would do that, they would have better glances at what something could be unhealthy for the game but we all know that Riot won't make League of Legends 2.
Bringing up the number of champions just proves that Riot is failing when it comes to balance matters. They keep releasing champions while the current pool is not even near to be classified "balanced". One of the biggest issues is when they merge power between a champions' kit instead of actually nerfing it because HE NEEDS TO (Duskblade nerfs --> Shaco) also known as: [worthless] neutral changes.
: She's pretty easy to lane against especially for ranged champs with mobility, but even without mobility she's pretty easy to play around. She's not going to win trades on you without proc'ing her passive damage on you, and until she gets gunblade, she has no way to guarantee its damage, and at low levels, her shunpo has a full 2 seconds of cd when picking up a dagger, which is a lot of time for you and your minions to batter her with autos if she goes in. If your minions aren't helping you win trades on her when she goes in early, then you are out of position.
I gotta disagree with the part where you say: "She's not going to win trades on you without proc'ing her passive damage on you" - Electrocute is literally a dagger on top of you which is purely based on point-and-clicks. Literally, if she sees fit, she can simply Q E (behind) AA you and you will just lose a nice chunk of health with electrocute, and then she procs her dagger which is nothing really hard to achieve - I mean, seriously, it is an undodgeable combo that she will do either to execute you or to win any trades against you. If you happen to pick first and you picked a squishier champ, as soon as you get that combo on you you will have lost 40% of your HP (not considering the dagger).
: Yes, it is. Toxic gameplay patterns have been enough reason for Riot to leave champions in the gutter. Kat is definitely toxic and unfun to play against.
Gotta agree with that.
: isn't it a skill match up {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} Diana doesn't automatically beat her just because she can cancel her ult. If anything kat has an advantage because diana is melee so she'll get hurt by kay easy while she's going to struggle to land her Q on kat unless she's on top of her.
No it is not a skill matchup. Diana does **automatically** beat her, no questions asked. If both players are equally skilled, Diana auto-wins the match. Katarina's main form of damage comes from daggers, and during the early game she thrives at punishing players for standing on top of them (or by positioning her daggers correctly), something that doesn't happen with Diana. Diana literally punishes you UNDER YOUR DAGGER, her shield locks down your Q damage at levels 1, her shield also blocks any damage you might give after jumping to her (you will just take all the spheres and do nothing in exchange). Literally, most guides and any kata main will just suggest you to simply play the lane safely and to rarely engage with her unless a great opportunity comes up, or just roam - You will not be winning that lane unless you are more fed than her.
: cuz its a free zhonyias
It is not really a zhonyas - Ignite, brand's passive, morgana's ult and other stuff that are just "_point-and-click-and-or-over-time-effects_"; your ultimate isn't going to save you from them, you will die if you don't ult fast and having your target dying because your teammate didn't give real attention to it during this process makes a big difference.
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Bloore (NA)
: Now that Kat's WR has dropped 2%, can we fix her W?
I haven't noticed that much in ranked and normal games (generally you don't execute your combos that fast in early stages of the game), but during the blood moon event, I simply couldn't E W R (the W never came out) - At all! Regardless of how slow/fast I did that combo - So ya, gotta agree with that. Also I think they should look for a way to avoid the instant E right after a reset (double E in a few words) - It completely destroys the entire combo in the middle of a teamfight (which is where this has more chances to occur).
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