Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 14
Id love to hear what Riot thinks about making Qiyanas empowered Q pierce minions instead of exploding at the first one hit, so that she can waveclear better. What Ive been thinking of is, how about only making the brush element Q pierce enemies? That way she can waveclear with it and she can Q in melee range without the stealth trail ending up very small.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: Qiyana is following Akali's design, and this is a BAD IDEA
Yeah, I feel like Qiyanas best build right now is Duskblade - Black Cleaver - Steraks - GA lol
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: why fizz dono I really respected you in the past
Cmon mang, Yuumi is veri fun :( (for her team hehe) but i might return to mid lane with Qiyana Poggers
: Assassin mains are the most respected people in this game.
>Assassin mains are trying yo have fun unlike braindead Yuumi mains im conflicted xd
: When Blitzcrank grabs someone, it does magic damage. Honestly, if you think about it water, vines, and rocks are all physical things.
Tho ice exploding out of your weapon is kinda a magical thing. But ay Im not complaining, as melee assassin Id rather be AD than AP
: Qiyana is made purely for the LCS viewership!
she grabs the water element at the last second but what does she do with it? root people for 0.5 seconds? lel she does look exciting tho
: Everyone crying about Tahm, meanwhile Yummi most broken champ in the game
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: So this really means that Yuumi is a high skill cap champion And riot didn't want to create a high skill cap champion
Did they say that? The only thing I heard about Yuumi was "the next enchanter will be more simple" = low skill floor, which she has imo (just attach and heal hehe)
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: Wasn't Yuumi supposed to be a low skill support?
I think they said she is gonna have a simpler kit, which she kinda does. Just that theres a high skill cap in using her W and passive etc.
ApexRiven (EUW)
: I tihnk i may quite playing toplane honesly. This role suck
Top probably needs work imo because its the worst role but has the strongest champs on average. Theres so many fun champs that Id like to play but they are top laners so... Id rather not xd
Saezio (EUNE)
: Yeah he will have real great lane phase. Also, if he singles out a carry with support budget it will take the carry less than 3 seconds to oneshot morde.
He does seem to have sustain and a nice semi hook on his E. With good enough base stats he can definitely be a support if u ask me
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: why didn't you give Fiora that new Mordekaiser ult?
wowzers I dont usually complain about new champs but this ult might be the most broken thing ever. Ult adc in hypercarry comp, kill him. Or ult support Lulu and make her useless. also he almost killed talon with 1 combo at level 4 so ye thats kinda weird
: No intention of being rude but if that's the reason Vorpal blade was removed then explain Sylas's heals.
You should use Vlad Q instead of Sylas W then you have a point
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: May 17
Hey, I would love an in client pop-up that tells people about a hotfix if there was one. I feel like many people dont even know Yuumi got buffed and they keep banning her/complaining when I pick her lol.
Ladrien (NA)
: I ban Yuumi so my teammates cant play her, because shes garbage.
I like Yuumi and Im a 19 year old boi {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} hehexd
: I am a support main lol, ur passive not being used isn't going to kill your kit, I think its meant to promote her to actually do stuff in lane, similar to xerath passive, but I don't see a reason that you would want to dismount and get yourself killed with a really weak 500 attack range attack. It's just something meant to help her laning, which I assume which will be fairly weak. But realistically speaking, the actual cooldown of her W is going to be 5.5-6 seconds by teamfights roll around. You can always jump to another champ if you feel that your mount is going down, and while I don't know the range for her w, it's not unlikely you'll be able to find another person to latch unto, think Rakan E being used to get out of sticky situations.
Well if you dont unattach for the shield, you are gonna be quite the weak champ. All you have to peel then is her garbage heal (that is only kinda good because she builds Athenes) and the little cc she has.
awejim1 (NA)
: Yuumi
Yeah she gives 120 AD... when she has over 950 AP. Her W passive is garbage for most of the game.
nelogis (EUW)
: > DId you even play Yuumi on the PBE? Her AP ratios are a joke, she has the second-lowest base starting hp of any support, has less AA range than most supports, has obscenely long early-game cooldowns, cannot auto attack while she is attached, has an ultimate that serves no real use except when pursuing or if the enemy team is super clustered... Yeah almost like I compared her to a super minion if she is on her own > But no, continue preaching how she is a “ball of stats” and how she has no counterplay when she is essentially a weaker version of every other support in the game. ---> Numbers can be buffed <--- ---> Design wont be changed with number changes <--- It doesn't matter if she is weak or OP, her design is crap. The design wont change when her heal gets buffed to have a 10k base heal level 1 Oh look she isn't weak anymore! but the design is still crap!
She does have to unattach and auto to get the shield tho, and if she doesnt do that, all she has left is her awful heal. Not sure if you can really call that a ball of stats, I think Id rather just have a Lulu W E R me and then get blown up than have a 400 heal from Yuumi + athenes and maybe an ardent buff lol.
Meddler (NA)
: It's intended that she doesn't become instantly untargetable and immune to stuff as soon as she starts the attach dash yes. We tested versions where she did get to avoid stuff immediately and the power of full untargetability that frequently was enormous, with counterplay correspondingly way too low.
I think itll be frustrating to get stopped and killed by something like a Galio W, but we will see how it plays out I guess. But what I think should be changed is projectiles not fizzling even when Yuumi has already been attached for a while. It even happened in the first released gameplay right here Yuumi is already attached and should be untargetable, but the auto attack from Lulu still kills her.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fízz v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KTb7qYnf,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-05-03T16:54:19.066+0000) > > How do you go permanently untargetable as ADC without your team just getting killed because their adc is chilling attached to the tank? Go untargetable, disengage. The point is she can go permanently untargetable, and LCS is very team fight focused. Should the engage go poorly, she goes untargetable, the team disengages, and you try again. Her W is busted. As I am typing this I think of more reasons as to why it is a broken ability. 1. Can jump onto any recall to quickly get back to fountain. 2. Can jump onto any TP 3. Can jump onto any global ie shen, galio, tf, noc for an instant 2v1 4. Can dodge just about anything as needed on command 5. Teamate she is on dies, jump onto a fresh teamate 6. Essentially have access to every teamate flash 7. Hop over any wall with W + teamate Plus I am sure there are even more busted things she can do. That W cannot be released the way it is. LCS will abuse her into the ground.
She also cant auto attack while ulting, and she has no damage at all like Neeko W. Plus she only has 500 range and awful stats. I dont really see it working well tbh.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: May 3
So its intended counterplay that Yuumi is targetable? Because it feels a bit weird being able to get CCd and oneshot out of her jump for trying to attach to an ally and heal them. Also if Yuumi becomes way better in coordinated play than in soloq, I think itd be a nice change to remove the range threshold on her Q, so it has infinite range but it still times out like it does right now of course.
: > [{quoted}](name=Kazekiba,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KTb7qYnf,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-03T15:30:17.880+0000) > > Wow a highly skilled player is winning games with a troll build on PBE? > its almost like PBE Matchmaking is highly volatile and imbalanced and he's just stomping on shitters. > > Boxbox can beat almost anyone reading this and probably the majority of Riot's balance team playing full Crit Riven. Maybe AP Riven. > > doesn't make it good. > Winning doesnt make something good, losing doesn't make it bad, because unless it's release Xin or Juggernaut Skarner, things aren't usually strong enough to win games by virtue of existing. They have to be piloted well. Guarantee no one is going to be playing AD Yuumi in pro play, especially given that yuumi isn't even eligible for the majority/entirety of MSI. It has nothing to do with PBE. It has everything to do with her W being a broken ability. How do you kill an ADC that can go permanently untargatable? They currently build LCS comps that specifically aim to focus down the adc, how do you focus down a permanently untargetable Yuumi. Besides her W making her untargetable, it gives her the ultimate repositioning tool. She can position to exactly where she needs to be to get all the kills. She is a KS machine. On top of this her passive gives her a shield to outrade and a heal ability to out sustain. As an adc, you are no longer dependent on your idiot support to save you with heal, peel, etc because you can auto peel yourself with the Yuumi W. 100% pick or ban LCS. Bet me.
How do you go permanently untargetable as ADC without your team just getting killed because their adc is chilling attached to the tank?
: Players behind Riot employee walkout
Not gonna act like this is true because i dont know, but... It would be quite ironic considering that Riot did some very SJW-y stuff like not allowing men at an event or punishing pro players for banning supports against a team of mostly support mains xd
: A Question on Yuumi´s Laning-Phase
I mean she does have poke with Q and lane sustain with E. Gonna depend on numbers i guess
: Here's the confusing part though: Passive - Bop ‘n’ Block Every so often, Yuumi’s next attack against an opponent restores mana and grants her a shield.** If Yuumi is Attached,** the shield protects her ally. The shield protects Yuumi or her ally until it’s broken. Our understanding is that she can't auto when attached. So how does this caveat come into play if she can only attack while detached?
The way it works is, you auto attack and get a shield, then when you W to an ally, you give the shield to them (so I guess if ignite is on you for example, you start taking damage since you gave the shield away). Thats how it looks in the trailer at least.
: I don't think she will. She doesn't really have a reason to be outside of her allies, because even Abathur had to check back every now and again to refresh his mines and make sure he's not in danger. She is a direct adaptive damage buff to her ally she's on, plus she will grant them a shield when her passive activates.
>plus she will grant them a shield when her passive activates. Thats exactly why she will probably be unattached more often, because she has to auto attack to get the shield and get some mana back. Plus I think it might be pretty troll to just sit in W while you are full hp instead of trying to tank a bit and then go in W (like eating a Thresh hook and only then using W before dying). But thats laning phase, later on you will likely be attached to someone most of the time.
: This concept can actually be hard to wrap your head around if you've never seen or done it before. I've played and thoroughly enjoyed Abathur in HOTS, so I'm very familiar with how Yuumi's play style will be. So maybe the OP is just over simplifying things because they haven't experienced this type of play style.
True they are pretty similar, but Im pretty sure Yuumi will spend way more time out of allies than Abathur and actually fight people
Zhadar (EUW)
: they stated that they look more for banrate than winrate i hate riven, but she didnt even cross the 20% banrate
She did tho, and it goes up by elo. Plus its way higher on EUW and NA, at around 35%
: Early 9.10 Patch Discussion
I do wonder what exactly "critical thresholds" are for Riot. Riven is listed as the #1 top laner on in pretty much any elo and she has like 13.5% pick rate and well beyond 53% win rate as a pretty hard champ to play well. Im somewhat okay with Vayne, tho her laning phase is quite good for her scaling.
: If her only buff to teammates is heal then is she really a enchanter? Disappointing.
Depends on how much her W buffs her ally.
: new champs teaser is live
Kinda sad that there are 0 spells or anything seen, hope they reveal her soon tm
: Can you theory craft the best combination of abilities and passives from the current champs?
Isnt in the game yet but Id put Yuumi W on that champ (if its real). You can use all your spells in W while being untargetable and buffing your guy, so ay.
: She could always float on her book over their heads.
True that would be cool too
Mártir (EUW)
: Yuumi Supp skills, leaked
Pestilus from Battlerite has something similar to that W and I always hoped that a champ in League gets it Pog
: Sounds like Abathur from HOTS. Kind of weird to put that ability on a cat though, and not a Shadow Isles specter.
Maybe she does jump into them but its also possible that she just sits on a champ like a cat would. Would be really cool but it would require special animations or at least coding for every champ.. so probably not lol
: > [{quoted}](name=Fízz v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TEQMY5vY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-24T20:51:42.235+0000) > > well unfun immobile melee champs are getting powercrept to hell until they automatically win most fights , not really sure why tbh with riot talking about "counterplay" all the time xd garen doesnt automatically win shit even after all of those buffs. that is the whole point im trying to make. hes currently performing average and isnt even amazing at what he does. if you gave him all of those changes at once at the start of season 6, you would have ended up with a rework skarner level champion back then. right now, even all of those buffs just mean he stays a champion in this game. riot has directly and indirectly power crept this game for 3 years straight.
Im pretty sure broken bruiser items + all the stat buffs to Garen make him win many 1v1s. barely any other champs got so many buffs so I kinda doubt the whole game is getting power crept, just champs like nasus and garen
: if you ever doubt the extent of power creep in this game
well unfun immobile melee champs are getting powercrept to hell until they automatically win most 1v1s, not really sure why tbh with riot talking about "counterplay" all the time xd
: what you should be worried about is if they start saying hey "when u cast q you get a small boost in movement speed that stacks with black cleaver" then you can say its busted.
Not like it would really matter since it seems like everytime darius Qs you are slowed by 90% anyway xd
Kai Guy (NA)
: 8 o clock tomorrow I expect a teaser or reveal. So there's that. Edit. Here. "It was my light that did this. More details coming tomorrow @ 8 AM PT tomorrow"
I would love a teaser on wednesday, but a reveal already?
: > [{quoted}](name=SnupRawr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U7p2JB3t,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-23T17:21:19.011+0000) > > wait...the enchanter is ANOTHER girl!? Can't we like, switch it up a little? I'm getting a terrible gut feeling it'll be even -worse- than 'just' another girl... Didn't they make cat allusions (like saying "purrfect") in the 2019 video that hinted at her? I'm gonna fuckin barf if its some cutesy acting nearly naked anime catgirl.
Sounds awesome hehexd
SnupRawr (NA)
: yeaaah but so many female sups{{champion:43}} {{champion:37}} {{champion:16}} {{champion:40}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:25}} I like female supports, but i feel like the only cute male supports are {{champion:497}} and {{champion:201}}. Maybe {{champion:12}}. please give us a cute male support! EDIT: I am talking about champions that are in the support role, not champions that play other lanes but can also serve as a support.
{{champion:427}} ? monkaS
: If you look here, Zed reached a 50.5% winrate directly after his buffs. Here, if you look at the area right before the last increase in winrate, you'll see that zed had a 49.5% winrate before the buff. It's just my opinion but I don't think ban rate should factor too much into balance. Otherwise you'd be nerfing champions like Yasuo and Zed forever since they have a high ban rate due to people hating regardless of their overall strength.
The problem is, if he already has 40-50% ban rate and above 50% win rate (51 was a mistake I guess) while also having 10-12% pick rate, he is just gonna become overpowered and permabanned below high elo. He did need buffs to be viable in challenger and in pro play, but the same goes for many other champs. And unfortunately a Rioter told me that its fine when a champ is good in normal elo but garbage in high elo/pro play, right here . Thats why I had to quit playing fizz because Riot is just gonna ignore him forever xd
: Zed nerfs in patch 9.8?
Like u said he does keep the attack speed and W active range buffs tho. Plus Zed didnt need buffs in 9.3 to begin with when he was already at like 50% ban rate and above 51% win rate.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1zjLmlTn,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-04-20T15:07:58.761+0000) > > The E and the R are the exact reasons she is picked in pro. No, the reason she's picked in pro is because she does fine against a lot of match ups and THAT'S IT, proplay players don't go "we need vision against enemy jungler pick ashe" else ashe would be 100%pick/ban > Her R is one of the few spells that can win a game just like that if you know how to make it invisible. No it can't, it can be easily bodyblockable, and in organized play if someone gets ulted, they will protect him with ccs and stuff like braum E If you need engage, Sivir ult combined with a tank running at 700 ms is better >You really think Ashe is picked in pro for her kiting ability? like....seriously? it used to be like that in the past, now you just pick ashe if you can use her to beat some match ups > Who can she kite? Only the people with 0 movement abilities and >only during their flash downtime. Let's say you're jax, and you jump on ashe, if you don't instantly kill her her team will cc you, and then you will NOT move at all for the rest of the time and your jump comes back after 4 second, during that time you will die by everyone focusing you the only one ashe can't kite are hypermobile bruisers, but if said bruiser has 1 movement ability it won't change anything against ashe in 5v5 where her team protects her
Tbf they did give her the Q and passive extra damage so her slow cant really be as good anymore i guess
: Post MSI Gameplay Improvements
Ah, junglers can decide any lane they want, but the moment junglers need to depend a bit on laners for early scuttle fights, its a huge pain point and we need to fix it ;D
: Daily reminder about AP items
Zhonyas has better stats than Maw? Idk what youre looking at, but I see Maw having more MR than Zhonyas has armor, and 50 AD is worth a lot more than 75 AP lol. Zhonyas active is good but it also has 2 minutes cooldown, doesnt work in cc and it also locks you out of doing anything. Maw has a lower cooldown and its automatic. And it gives you permanent omnivamp + more damage for the fight
: > [{quoted}](name=Fízz v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mg00RHEE,comment-id=00080002,timestamp=2019-04-07T16:47:18.273+0000) > > Armor is useless past early-mid game if u ask me. You mean past the point in the game where Zed and basically every other AD assassin are at their strongest?
Yeah and also past the point in the game where AD champs dont have Last Whisper yet and where assassins can 1v1 people
: Someone saw the C9 - TSM yesterday? Spoiler: on Game 4 C9 Nisqy played as Zed against TSM Bjersen as Zoe. Bjersen bought {{item:3191}} before completing the {{item:3285}} and he made the Zed useless. And yet ppl here will say that Armor is useless right? You guys just dont want to itemizate against Assasins so you blame the game instead of yourselfs for your terrible builds.
Armor is useless past early-mid game if u ask me. LDR and/or Cleaver + just the dps of AD auto attacks kinda makes defense weak against it. Plus Ive often seen Zeds oneshot people through seekers/zhonyas with a good combo. Tho i dont really mind playing against zed as fizz because as long as i dont int early I rush zhonyas and win hehexd
AD Yuumi (NA)
: While I understand concerns of the "riot special" (where we nerf the champion and then nerf the item/rune), Kayle is crazy strong even without Klepto. If we nerfed the rune's interactions with her she'd just switch to some other keystone (like fleet or conqueror) and be just as strong. The champion sKayle's too well with levels right now and we're adjusting that next patch before looking at any one rune or item build problem. If we were to nerf Klepto on her, I'd rather we looked at specific abuse cases instead of just making a spell on her kit randomly not count as a spell. Am heavily considering removing her unique interaction with Elixir of Skill for 9.8 (the extra point lets her ascend early). It's working as intended on live, but that doesn't make it ideal. Since Klepto is a random rune, it felt fine that Kayle got special random outcomes. Looking at it now though, Kayle getting 16 @ 15 can feel waaaay more powerful and waaaay more random than an Ezreal getting 2 gold bags and buying a Tear or Sheen early.
Id unterstand that reasoning for other runes/items, but if you ask me Klepto shouldnt exist in the first place. so...
: No thanks, don't want to see junglers out leveling solo laners anymore.
But jungle has to be the most impactful role at all times and also beat any role 1v1 otherwise jungle is ruined hehe
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