: Actually Brand is the one that burned the village. Read "From the Ashes". And since her mother was a weak mage, that's why I think Brand's father was that mage. And maybe that's why people despised him and his mother (afterall on the map it's said that Flerjordians attitude towards magic is to venerate it so I don't think they would hate Brand's mom for being their healer, maybe they hated them because Brand's father was an enemy mage that killed some of them in a raid).
That's folk legend of a real event. People like to twist events. Brand's mom wasn't an evil witch, she did not curse the village. It is just what people imagine about her as they were afraid of her even when she was alive, now imagine her after village is burnt to ashes. They needed to blame someone and she was perfect choice. Universe MAP is not always told by god-view, explanations depend on perspectives, and this curse part is on perspective of local folks there.
: Who is ur favorite champion and why?
I don't have a gameplay favourite (I just have too many mains and love them all so much I can't decide) but my lore favourite is {{champion:101}}. A slave transcended into godhood by just himself, a weak and poor child risen to one of the most powerful beings of Runeterra. Intelligent, cunning, planned, manipulator, potent, cleansed (from fragility of flesh and blood). He fills "work greatly, get paid greatly" archetype really well. His entire human life with work paid him being a Magus Ascended without even being chosen (which was forbidden for slaves anyway). He also satisfies me with how many magic types he has compare to our other mages. I like mages that can cast many types of magic and he is one of few mages like that in lore.
Zapzya (OCE)
: Do we know that it was specifically the Targonians, or is it possible it was just celestial powers? It was my interpretation that the celestial Targonians originated on Runeterra and were uplifted to become the multi-realm (space faring) civilization that they are today.
It is not specifically said. If Targonians were originally runeterran it is possible it wasn't even Targonians themselves. Tbh, my bad with saying it is Targon made. Its magic Targon made but mountain? Not sure. We know it is not a natural mountain though.
XSmeCheruL (EUNE)
: Is the shadow assassin canon
I believe in both scenarios neither are destroyed completely, especially Rhaast. When Kayn wins, Rhaast is forced in a dormant state, like a coma. He loses his concious, and waits for his second taxe to consume Kayn. When Rhaast wins, Kayn loses his body's control and switches places with Rhaast in the weapon, sweeping in oblivion (where Rhaast is). Eventually, if Kayn continues to use the darkin weapon, Rhaast will always be the winner, no matter what. When Kayn dies, Rhaast consumes the body anyway. When Shadow Assassin occurs, Rhaast still has the chance to wake up and show himself again. When Kayn loses though, it is over. His soul is not destroyed but destined in a far worse state, trapped in oblivion until end of time (or darkin weapon's magic being removed/weapon is destroyed). It is what I think.
: Yes Zaun is under piltover. Targon is what we would call "Heaven" a city above the clouds. But Targon is above the clouds but in a celestial realm. And Mount Targon is just the mountain that Targon came in contact with and thats how it got its name. Noxus can overcome Demacia without high tech but hextech is pretty rare and extremely expensive we can guess so not everyone can afford that kind of surgery. Chemtech is unsafe and cheaper version of Hextech.
Mount Targon is Targon made. It is not a naturally occured mountain.
Rioter Comments
Sukishoo (NA)
: He may have said that but if you looked how they layed the Dev Blog out it was the other way. Plus, there are only 3-4 patches left this year, so we're still not getting both of them this year XD
Reav3 already confirmed it is Ezreal - Colorful Mage - Chained Champion - Kayle and Morgana. There are 3 months to end of year. Ezreal will be released in next month, other 2 will include new champions. That's not that unlikely.
: > [{quoted}](name=Cetri,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=HhWiFQcj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-21T00:33:03.904+0000) > > I can't answer all of your questions, but... > > The Double A Thing: It's just a joke poking fun at the portion of the fanbase that wanted Varus to be renamed Vaarus. I doubt there's any deeper meaning to it. > > Why Ionia?: Neither Rhaast or Varus were in Ionia of their free will. In fact, as far as we know, Rhaast still hasn't been there, as he was unearthed in Noxus and he and Kayn are still there when Kayn's story leaves off. Varus was defeated by the unnamed warrior-queen and carried to Ionia by her, where she entombed herself along with the bow inside the Pit of Pallas. What is thinking is, the name style of Darkin is unfit with the name style of Ascended, linking them together is a mistake.
I don't think Aatrox, Rhaast and Varus names are too far away from Nasus, Renekton, Azir, Xerath. Varus is similar to Nasus, Aatrox is kinda similar to Xerath.
: Can Mordekaiser look like this after his visual update?
Ibañez (EUW)
: Hello, someone knows why cosmic ashe is more larger than cosmic yi and kassadin?(in splash art)
She is the Cosmic Queen. Likely the most powerful of all. Or cosmic beings can change their size at will. Both are possible.
: Jinx said a lot in the last one... What do you mean?
That's not a dialogue though. Dialogue requires 2 people. Jinx was solo speaking.
: Depends. If we look at the Up and Down icons then your beloved Freijlord is the weakest.
United Frejlord is likely one of the strongest regions lol? Freljord is not my "beloved" btw, it is Shurima.
: Ranked is about to determine Lore. Why Riot? Just... Why?
Dont tell me Bilgewater isn't the weakest region in combat.
: Does Anybody Actually Like Demacia?
Not the biggest fan but I like Demacia after its update.
SatomiKun (EUW)
: While I understand why you pick her, I don't think she would have achieved exactly the same. Jinx is lighthearted, everything she does is a blast of fun. Vi on the other hand, at least in my opinion, has a much darker humor. More about breaking someones bones and stuff. The tone would be slightly different in my opinion and Jinx' lighthearted approach fits better here, but opinions might differ about this.
It of course would be different, they are different champions. Vi instead of Jinx wouldn't suck just because she is not an exact replacement though. Vi has cherry personality like Jinx, and even without that, it is an alternative universe ffs. They could make her closer to Odyssey inx as much as they want. Vi fits to Odyssey and I imagine it would be pretty good with her too. They chose Jinx for one primary reason you also know, she sells better. Xerath doesn't have a skin for 3.5 years let's not talk about who fits whatever skinline or not. :) Only reason she have got a skin is she is popular and only reason Xerath still haven't got is he is not popular. It is that easy. Not because Jinx was the best choice.
SatomiKun (EUW)
: I understand the frustration, but I have to say that Jinx was just the perfect pick for the Odyssey skin line. She was giving the whole line that funny feeling of Guardians of the Galaxy, instead of an extremely serious scifi setting. I can't think of another champion pick which would have been able to achieve the same, tbh.
: Is the character in the gif from a game? Who is he or she?
: Are Championship Skins Being Picked for AD champ on purpose
I don't like championship skins, I like AP champions. So It is win for me.
: Silly lil' thread, but can Kayle end up similar to Imperius?
I imagine they could use ethereal wings made by golden light (similar to Aurelion Sol tail) to justify her size in game as currently she is really small without her wings. I don't expect bird wings. It is also unlikely they will remove her helmet. IIRC August confirmed it. So she really might be in path of being female Imperius, I would expect even her personality similar to Imperius. Both are actually benevolent, but their actions are for greater good rather than goodness of all. That sometimes may give players the idea she is actually the evil one, but not really. It is more of good and evil not being absolute and change by view. Imperius is not human, he doesn't think in the way of an human. Her goals and rules are not gonna be in mortal way either. So even though he is benevolent, he is sometimes a douchebag in eyes of a human. I expect the same for Kayle. Even if she is originally an human, the aspect within her (I assume) is not. So aspect within her could have different perspective of good. Benevolent, but time to time also a douchebag.
: Since when do demons in League of Legends have any control over souls? (As a reminder: Swain's soul fragment mechanic is just a game thing, what his demon actually does is feeding on the secrets of the soon-to-die)
Shadow Isles creatures like Karthus, Thresh, Mordekaiser can do that? Why not demons? Either only specific demons can manipulate souls or demons don't find it necessary... unless they have a personal vendetta. But if it is former, it makes sense for his demon as its powers are soul related (how does even it know the secret of near-death people anyway?) This is my theory tho, so not confirmed. Take it as you want.
Nylisa (EUW)
: The Odyssey Personality Quiz
"Better Bottom" pilot. This quiz hints things aren't accurate.
: > [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ETxAATPe,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-16T17:52:25.931+0000) > > I still can't believe they **were** willing to entirely rid Swain of ravens as a whole. Please, read something about Swain's rework development first before spilling shit from your mouth. They added ravens only at the end of the process because it "didn't feel like Swain" (Who would've guessed?!)
No need to be rude, he did not say anything offensive.
: Which detracts heavily from the whole Faustian contract vibes most people wanted from Swain. He's just yet another superpowered human with very little nuance to the how's and why's of his powers.
I think price is demon having her time when his domination is over. It is like bargain with the devil. Your life is good and nice until you die and be condemned in hell forever. When Swain loses control or die eventually, I think demon will really have fun with his soul. Worse than a crippled leg.
Nylisa (EUW)
: that was Laurie Goulding, one of the Senior Narrative editors, and it was more of a joke. a personal opinion rather than professional. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/fFQ8Znz7-riots-pax-stream-stories-beyond-summoneros-rift-narrative-at-riot-games?show=new if you jump to 3:38:00 you can see for yourself :D if you check from a minute before that, you can hear about what might be coming for Ezreal and Lux as well.
I watched the panel but seems like I did not give enough attention at that part, probably was reading the chat. The rioter I expected though. Not sure why but I really thought that would be Laurie. I know him btw! I ask a lot questions to him in twitter, appreciate he spares time to answer. Lovely guy. Thank you for your precious time again. :) You are really kind.
: What you said could be applied to the actual Ascpects imo and a bit less to their human chosen warriors as they could have some limitations that derive from their human nature (which is a point of debate for now as I don't recall any Rioter telling us that they can use the full power of the aspects nor that they can't). Zoe is a peculiar case per se. The thing is that Xerath is really on the edge between an Ascended and a cosmic entity, I bet he is still limited by his psyche meaning that he still is focused on being an emeperor and a freed slave rather than coming to "peace" with the world and becoming even more powerful. Edit: As for Lucian weapons, that's another big "?". We don't know what the heck they are, they just seem some natural form of Laser diode and the Light has always been a counter to undeads by nature. Thresh surely holds a high rank in the Shadow Isles but I guess that in terms of power Hecarim, Kalista and especially Karthus are more superior to him, Mordekaiser being on an entirely different league as it was stated that his ghost is not just your ordinary (yet powerful) undead.
Karthus was the reason why I started playing league. As liches are my one of the most favourite fantasy creatures ever, I installed the game immediately when I heard this game has a lich character. Even though I don't play him much now, he has a special place in my heart for that very specific reason and I really would want him to be a super powerful lich. I always wanted him to be the most powerful Shadow Isles being anyway. But current Karthus feels related to only soul and necromancy with a few pyschic skills. Liches in fantasy master a lot magic types, and are experienced in many spells. This archetype is used by Xerath now. I like mages that can use many types of magic at the same time a lot. I believe independent Karthus (his old lore) represented the lich archetype better than current one. A lich ruled a region, a lich had an undead army of himself. Typical lich. Current Karthus is more like a zombie necromancer. That's why I find this version weaker. Until he shows he is really really powerful, I won't believe he can defeat an Aspect, Diana or Leona. Both use cosmic power which is a thing I am pretty sure that hurts more than Lucian's weapons, no matter what they are made of.
Zapzya (OCE)
: During the PAX narrative panel, one of them didn't want champions to have romantic relationships with others, while others seemed to be open to it. So for this particular relationship, will probably not be canonically developed in the near future. Perhaps in alternate universes though, like the novel above. Regardless, they still have a decent number of bios to update, and on top of that they need to progress major story lines in the world. Demacia has no currently known story lines involving Noxus, so sadly we probably won't see these two interact even if we get there. If Riot somehow increases lore production speed though, it's possible.
Do we know who didn't want? I also would like to see their reason.
: Xerath is the closest we can get to a cosmic being that isn't the aspect of twilight, I presume that even Leona and Diana, while wielding Targonian powers, can't stand a chance against him in a direct fight. Karthus is surely more powerful than Leona/Diana too but a league below Xerath.
I believe Leona and Diana are more powerful than Karthus. Diana and Leona have great powers and would even say could be equal of Nasus in raw power but they don't have the durability he has. They are Aspects of Targon, I don't see Karthus being equal of chosen ones of an empire built in cosmos. Heck, Thresh is a powerful spirit of Shadow Isles but he was hurt a lot by Lucian's weapons. Now imagine power of the Sun and Moon against Karthus. Undead have clear weaknesses. I mean, Diana burnt voidborns to ashes. That's something an Ascended can do. What is an undead? Aspect themselves though are even greater than Ascended brothers and would say it is even possible for Xerath too. It is not known if it is only Aspect of Twilight that strong or others are close to him in power too.
: That was a couple thousand years before Zoe was even a thing. Remember, Sol was what got them to become a true empire. And Zoe came about well after that point. When the space parasites took Sol they could barely make it to their moon. By the time Zoe became the Aspect, she could teleport to other dimensions or some bullshit. And oh trust me. I too want Zoe weaker. Because I also want Xerath weaker. And well, everyone weaker really. When powers start reaching bullshit nonsense level (which they are well past) then stakes, plot structure, internal consistency of the story all get crazy out of whack with characters fluctuating in what they can and can't do because the plot demands it. The classic Superman problem. Where he can do anything he wants, so long as the story progresses to the point that he gets to look like it's cool and he has to try. As currently described Zoe's power is ridiculous. There really isn't any way to curtail that power without adding really odd very specific constrictions that don't really make sense. But we would have to go with it because the plot demands it. None of which have been revealed to us the reader yet. Or, we can just accept that Riot makes a bunch of stuff because it's cool without giving too much thought to the implications of what they create. They kinda sorta has a rough plan for it, but skimps on the details of how everything fits together. Because that was never particularly important to them until very recently.
Maybe I should have said Aspect of Twilight himself since the all power comes from him and it is already known Aspect of Twilight was key point in Aurelion Sol's "imprisonment". So, Zoe did not exist in that moment but the all power she has did. Zoe is nothing but a temporary host. Hmm, I like power fantasy but not like Marvel. Marvel is likely the most ridiculous universe in this case. Even the LoL you don't find good is undeniably better written and more limited in cosmos. I mean, Marvel is fun, but I wouldn't say their cosmos isn't oceans of nonsense. In my opinion (and I believe also according to majority of people if we consider Marvel fans), it is not that important if a fantasy universe makes so much sense or not. If I am searching for realism, I shouldn't even look at fantasy in the first place. I can read history, tragedy etc. What I am looking for is satisfaction. If it is not ultra absurd, I am open. LoL having power creep doesn't bother me that much for that reason. It is totally personal, actually depends to personality. You are realistic person, I am fantastic. So except Zoe, I don't want champions to be weaker. It should be balanced in mortals with a few immortals though. Mortals should be majority and you should definitely have characters of your taste like Miss Fortune, Graves, Gangplank more than my taste, like Xerath. But unfourtunately for you, their impact in story is far greater. Which I know you are not happy. I think I can be happy with your taste but you can't be with mine. I like mortals, but you don't like immortals. (I may look like Xerath story OTP 13 years old fan but I read every story). It is sad that we can't agree in a point.
: Her teleportation, by her own lore, claims it takes her to other dimensions and across the galaxy to the edge of the Targonian space empire. At that point, whether or not there is technically an upper limit, it's pretty irrelevant. She can go between solar systems at the very least. Maybe she jump between galaxies but, but so what? That still gives her the power of instant sun and the emptiness of space. Her teleportation can carry flesh (her), can carry energy (her magic star ball thing), and isn't limited to just her body (clothes, magic balls, etc.). Portal below their feet, with the other side going to a gravity well of some sort or another. That should get rid of any of the godlike beings, except possibly Sol and Kindred. Zoe's combat power is limited because Riot has to balance a game, and didn't think through their magic system at all. And even they straight up said upon her release she's meant to be on par with Sol. I know you want Xerath to be the big kid on campus, but so far he hasn't shown anything close to the potential power that Zoe has demonstrated. She literally turns off gravity in her short story and creates a meteor. The most impressive thing Xerath's done in instantaneously liquefy rocks with some magic bolt. Which, I mean, that's also ridiculously powerful. Don't get me wrong, by any logic that should make him an auto-win against every non-God champion. Even the time manipulators. And unlike Zoe, Xerath at least shows half a mind on how to actually use that power.
Actually WAAARGHbobo (or another rioter) said the reason Aspects tricked Aurelion Sol to make their dirty jobs is they don't have the fire/raw power Aurelion Sol has. Not sure how Zoe can be in the same level with Aurelion Sol though with that information. I mean, if Targon was really that unbelivably powerful, they wouldn't even need to trick darkins in the first place. They could simply kill them one by one, and wouldn't need Ta'anari to cast moon spell. Targon is godlike, but they are not Aurelion Sol level. Tbh, it is more of I want Zoe weaker than I want Xerath stronger. I like where Xerath stands, and believe mortal issues are more fun. Zoe on the other hand, as a kid with immense power kinda butches the lore IMO. It feels like a joke. Almost like it is "my dick is bigger than yours" level fanfic, where you create stupid character with ridiculous powers and it defeats dark gods beyond time and space in a single blow. (Zoe=One Punch Man?) I accept Aurelion Sol, Bard, and others being stronger than Xerath but Zoe hurts lol.
: Here’s the thing. Having rules like “portal should be empty” makes no sense. There is always oxygen, atoms, and energy moving about us. But even if we say “portals can’t close on solids” we’re still leaving open her most abusive use of her power: energy and gravitation. Two things she most definitely can and does play with. This allows the Solar Energy and Black Hope trick to still work. And even if that was not allowed because hand waving poorly thought out magic system BS. Portal below target > portal 400 feet in the air would still work to kill just about anyone except other gods. And other gods can be just messed about with through eternal falling traps, energy binding, or just depositing them on some other planet. All of which she has been shown to be capable of doing. Yes, characters have limits to their abilities. But Zoe’s power is so blatantly gamebreaking one would not have to add anything new to it. Just from what she has demonstrated being able to do in the lore is of worldbreaking potential with enough thought put into it. Thankfully, Zoe prefers to dance around eating moon cakes and the space Targs have as a whole shown themselves to be fairly incompetent.
I knew you were gonna say something like that. What I mean with empty is low volume and nothing to see in a naked eye. Of course it could be a little more than this, that she maybe can kill humans and animals, but not godlike beings. (Like when she tries to close the portal, portal stops) We really don't know if she can teleport anyone to anywhere either. Her teleportation likely has distance limit. And even if tried to annoy godlike beings with portals, most of godlike beings can fly. Zoe's combat power comes from her spellthief, her little star (?) and sleepy bubble IMO. I imagine her teleportation as just utility.
: By Riot's own words, Zoe is as strong as Sol. And honestly, if she was clever enough to actually use her unrestricted portals that can cross the entire galaxy then there's just about nothing that Sol can do that she can't replicate. Unrestricted teleportation is a ridiculously powerful ability.
It can be easily fixed with "to close the portal, portal should be empty". Like you can't close it and split someone in 2 pieces. Everything in their maximum potential is OP. If I can move stars with my telekinesis, that's OP. If I can consume heat of an entire planet in a second, that's OP. It is not just creating portals and what you imagine is definitely in a ridiculous state / power level. I am pretty sure Zoe has her limits.
Fasmodey (EUW)
: I read his messages ofc, and I go even beyond that and follow writers in twitter. I am aware Lissandra is sad about her sisters' death, but where is exactly said she "regrets" the action of sealing the Watchers? In my personal opinion Syndra would win more just because combats are usually raw power and Syndra has more. If it was a planned combat, that would be a completely different case. If Lissandra was that strong, she wouldn't need plans within plans and manipulation. (I mean, Xerath is onto conquering Shurima singlehandly and he was also a clever manipulator. He doesn't need plans and manipulation that much anymore). And if she was that strong with this intelligent, she would be boring invincible character. She should sacrifice something for her own story goodness. What is a character without struggles?
And I simply tell you that she doesn't have the raw power to conquer Freljord. No I don't find your power headcanon relevant. I look at the action Lissandra takes. What is even style? Is that a joke? Story in live action is not game. Characters do whatever to win. They don't simply deny conquering an entire region just because it doesn't fit their style. You are completely biased I don't even know why I am keeping discussion. You overestimate what Lissandra did and underestimate what Xerath did. Lissandra likely did not manipulate iceborns, or at least it is not known. She could be rightful of ruler of Freljord with her sisters since the beginning. Fall of Shurima was not only manipulating Azir anyway. You forgot Nasus and Renekton? Ascended Brothers that can gaze and see the spark of betrayal through mortal flesh? Xerath tricked them. He manipulated, murdered, sabotaged, lied, betrayed to reach his goals for years. You really think Fall of Shurima went through only Azir. Really biased. What is next, Lissandra oneshotting Xerath?
Fasmodey (EUW)
: I read his messages ofc, and I go even beyond that and follow writers in twitter. I am aware Lissandra is sad about her sisters' death, but where is exactly said she "regrets" the action of sealing the Watchers? In my personal opinion Syndra would win more just because combats are usually raw power and Syndra has more. If it was a planned combat, that would be a completely different case. If Lissandra was that strong, she wouldn't need plans within plans and manipulation. (I mean, Xerath is onto conquering Shurima singlehandly and he was also a clever manipulator. He doesn't need plans and manipulation that much anymore). And if she was that strong with this intelligent, she would be boring invincible character. She should sacrifice something for her own story goodness. What is a character without struggles?
She needed to sacrifice her own to seal the Watchers though?! It is not like these 2 things are unrelated. Riding iceborn armies to Frostguard Citadel is basically manipulating her sisters, which is not much over manipulating Azir. It is not that she manipulated every single iceborn personally. Iceborns took orders of her sisters. What I mean with Xerath is, when Xerath trancended into godhood and became so much powerful, he didn't need plans and manipulating anymore. Because he believes he can reach to his goals with raw power compare to Lissandra. I am pretty sure Lissandra wouldn't hide in the shadows and decline conquering Freljord with raw power if she could just because it doesn't look "smart". She acts smart because she has to, unlike Xerath.
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xT4x9gKZ,comment-id=00010000000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-13T09:32:54.678+0000) > > Your arguments are relevant but only in one possibility. > > We don't know if Lissandra can cast the sealing spell she used against the Watchers in combat, which I highly doubt. We don't know how would Syndra react against ice shards. > > There are just countless possibilities but you are still saying Lissandra wins easily without a doubt. I mean, both are glass canon. They don't have enough durability against each other's strikes. Who succesully strikes first wins. > > If Lissandra could singlehandly enter region of Ashe and Sejuani and kill them, she would. She is sad about her sisters' death but she definitely does not regret. She would do the same if she was in the same position again. Watchers were needed to be sealed. > > Lissandra does not have country level threat raw power compare to Syndra but does it matter? Syndra dies in a single blow. She is easily killable fragile human with immense powers. > > Syndra does not have thousands of years experience and knowledge compare to Lissandra but does it matter? She is unlikely to use them in a quick combat, she needs to trust in her raw power. > > This versus is just not that easy as you assume. Both can kill each other, that's the curse of fragile beings with immense powers versus. 2 Things first... You do not read when rioters answer the question on boards.. Waarghbobo said , on my post, that Lissandra still has shapeshifting abilities and that only high priests know her true form but not the rest Second, he also answered, that Lissandra is is very much hurt by the fact that she sacrificed her sisters and lissandras lore explicitly says that she may have let Ashe and Sejuani live because of regret(please read it-.-) Again you have the valid point that experience of many years doesnt have to matter, and it doesnt honestly, but could it help Lissandra? probably... Truly, we cant say for 100% that Syndra or Lissandra would win, but I say with a high certainty that Lissandra would, Ofc its my personal opinion and my personal opinion i what is asked for here in this discussion.. You are right theres many possibilities but ultimately we have to make a decision because we should discuss who would win...
I read his messages ofc, and I go even beyond that and follow writers in twitter. I am aware Lissandra is sad about her sisters' death, but where is exactly said she "regrets" the action of sealing the Watchers? In my personal opinion Syndra would win more just because combats are usually raw power and Syndra has more. If it was a planned combat, that would be a completely different case. If Lissandra was that strong, she wouldn't need plans within plans and manipulation. (I mean, Xerath is onto conquering Shurima singlehandly and he was also a clever manipulator. He doesn't need plans and manipulation that much anymore). And if she was that strong with this intelligent, she would be boring invincible character. She should sacrifice something for her own story goodness. What is a character without struggles?
Luminier (NA)
: If Aatrox wants to die so bad, why doesn't he get wielded by someone who is strong enough to defeat him once and for all and kill him? (Like Shadow Assassin Kayn annihilates Rhaast for good)
Rhaast doesn't die in this scenario. He becomes subdued. He is like in a coma, but not dead. A mortal killing an imprisoned darkin is almost impossible. So, when Kayn becomes Shadow Assassin, there is still risk of Rhaast coming back. Even without that, when Kayn eventually dies, he consumes the body. Rhaast is the ultimate winner in both scenario, also the ultimate loser since the beginning. The curse of living in oblivion without an host, which is nothing but a bit bigger prison.
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xT4x9gKZ,comment-id=000100000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-13T09:04:57.889+0000) > > He/she is so biased it is not even funny. "Syndra has NOTHING" lol. > > Also believes versus are that easy... Ofc Im biased lol My name is Iceborn XD But just because im biased doesnt make my arguments irrelevant. Btw. Lissandra feels guilty thats why she didnt kill Ashe and Sejuani not because she couldnt....And its not her style, same as Leblanc its not her style but if it comes to that they would be on top of their game
Your arguments are relevant but only in one possibility. We don't know if Lissandra can cast the sealing spell she used against the Watchers in combat, which I highly doubt. We don't know how would Syndra react against ice shards. There are just countless possibilities but you are still saying Lissandra wins easily without a doubt. I mean, both are glass canon. They don't have enough durability against each other's strikes. Who succesully strikes first wins. If Lissandra could singlehandly enter region of Ashe and Sejuani and kill them, she would. She is sad about her sisters' death but she definitely does not regret. She would do the same if she was in the same position again. Watchers were needed to be sealed. Lissandra does not have country level threat raw power compare to Syndra but does it matter? Syndra dies in a single blow. She is easily killable fragile human with immense powers. Syndra does not have thousands of years experience and knowledge compare to Lissandra but does it matter? She is unlikely to use them in a quick combat, she needs to trust in her raw power. This versus is just not that easy as you assume. Both can kill each other, that's the curse of fragile beings with immense powers versus.
GreenLore (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Iceborn,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xT4x9gKZ,comment-id=0001000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-09-13T08:20:23.704+0000) > > Syndra cant gain force over true ice more than Lissandra can.. so we can ignore the telekinetic powers that she has because Lissandra could keep the true Ice in her powerfield until she splits Syndra in half... > Lissandra has true Ice artifacts at her disposal? How can we ignore that lol... Do you know how great the pwoers are? And how do you know that? If Lissandra throws an icicle at Syndra,there is no reason to believe that Syndra can't just use her own magic to levitate said icicle into a direction that she wants or swat it away. > Syndra has NOTHING.. A levitating castle that she can throw into lissandras face.. wow > Uhm and what would Lissandra do if a castle was thrown into her face?You act like that is nothing to be worried about,but I don't think there is a way for Lissandra to block something like this or survive it. > Liss is an Ice witch, what do you think how much true and dark Ice would an Ice witch have collected over thousands of years? She pumps pretty much all the true ice she finds into the seal for the watchers and the true ice weapons are distributed among her iceborn warriors. So yes she likely doesn't have any true ice to spare on a human,she'd have to rely on her own magical powers. > Yes she has elemental powers, doesnt mean she cant use normal magic... > Lissandra could literally freeze Syndras breath.. Thats your assumption here.So far Lissandra hasn't shown any magical abilities besides her ice powers in the lore or the game. She did have a shapeshifting ability in the old lore,but we don't know if that is still canon or not. And I'm pretty sure that if Lissandra would encease Syndra in her ice(like she does with her ult),then Syndra could break out of said ice with brute force. > You still ignore the fact that Lissandra had the power to seal the watchers, no matter from where, she had the knowledge to use it and she did greatly.. Its Lissandras magic that is keeping the watchers sealed and not Syndras... > Syndra is unfocused, she cant think how to fight, she would just attack with all she has... You think that a thousand year old Iceborn doesnt know how to deal with an angry girl? > And you ignore the fact that Lissandra used vast amounts of true ice against the watchers(which as I pointed above, she likely doesn't have anymore) and that she is likely unable to recreate that spell,because if she could,then there wouldn't be much for her to worry about the seal. Also you underestimate the power of brute force.I mean the next thing you want to tell me is that Lissandra could defeat {{champion:136}} who can annihilate the whole planet if he wanted to.There is always a limit for what cunning and strategy can do against an overwhelming power. > And yes sealing the watchers is a BIG DEAL BECAUSE SYNDRA WOULDVE NEVER LIVED IF LISSANDRA DIDNT DO HER A FAVOR :) > All you favorite champions gone to dust if it wasnt for the mighty Ice Witch{{champion:127}} > That literally has nothing to do with the discussion. Not to mention that Lissandras connection to the watchers was likely what allowed them to come to the mortal realm in the first place.
He/she is so biased it is not even funny. "Syndra has NOTHING" lol. Also believes versus are that easy...
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nNieXFJ9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-12T22:57:02.527+0000) > > Kayn holding 2 darkins at once? > > Impossible is a funny word there. > > Aatrox is far more experienced than Rhaast at possessing, it is possible he would immediately consume Kayn and expel Rhaast. > > What I can say is, it would never be happy ending for Kayn when he encounters 2 darkins at once. Could they work together though? As in Rhaast immediately pushing back because he wants to keep Kayn and Kayn going all shadow ninja magic to help him. An ideal scenario where Kayn and Rhaast learn to collaborate to avoid dying and expell/enslave Aatrox.
Rhaast helping Kayn and this 2 working together against Aatrox sounds likely to me. It is ofc for Rhaast's benefit, not because he loves Kayn. Aatrox would overwhelm Rhaast in will power, he is also more experienced in possesion. Rhaast wouldn't accept Aatrox's domination... 2 selfish entities meeting in a body, yeah they definitely won't share Kayn. For that, Rhaast helping Kayn wouldn't be a surprise (he would have no other choice anyway).
: What would happen if Kayn picked up Aatrox?
Kayn holding 2 darkins at once? Impossible is a funny word there. Aatrox is far more experienced than Rhaast at possessing, it is possible he would immediately consume Kayn and expel Rhaast. What I can say is, it would never be happy ending for Kayn when he encounters 2 darkins at once.
: Aatrox's W?
He knows magic, especially the forbidden magic that darkins discovered after Fall of Shurima."Possesion" of an host is one of them. Darkins are are not just brutal forces. They never were. I mean, they are former Ascended, it is not surprising they were more of Nasus and not Renekton, heck I believe even Renekton have a few tricks and just isn't a fan of them. It is possible he doesn't find magic honorable, enough for him to go for melee combat exclusively.
: > The Ascension according to him is hacking Aspect System (which he continues with how Aspects gave the Sun Disc to Shurima anyway). It was specifically confirmed that Targon gave them the Disc? I know that Targon acknowledged their existence as another region using celestial magic, hence the Chalicar. What I understood about the Ascended version of celestial concept was, whatever concept best suited them they'd draw power from hence some Ascended being more compatible than others with their concept. However, I understand what you're pointing out, that the symbology of Shurima has multiple meaning and hence, so do the Ascended.
It is said by Scathlocke. Even without that, Sun Disc description in Interactive Map of Runeterra says Sun Disc was built by guide of targonians. It was known already, not a surprise either. It was expected. When there is celestial power, there is Targon. They are cops of cosmos lol.
: Syndra vs Lissandra in-lore
Who strikes first is the winner of this versus. Both are glass canon. (When Syndra throws a freaking castle on Lissandra, there isn't much to do for her. Same for Syndra when Lissandra aims her throat with an ice shard and seperates her head from her body in a second.) I mean there are endless possibilities in this fight, it is not easy as much Nasus vs Xerath, which both are godlike and durable beings that doesn't die in a single blow. And in my opinion, general power difference between Syndra and Lissandra is not huge either, Syndra has more raw power while Lissandra is more durable. Syndra is aggressive, Lissandra is defensive. If I was forced to choose someone though, I would choose Syndra. Lissandra stopping the Watchers doesn't make her insta win every fight. She planned it, she manipulated and she wasn't alone. She sacrificied her sisters and their armies to seal the Watchers. She had time. She is clearly, definitely, absolutely freaking impressive, but against Syndra, in a neutral setting, she doesn't have that setup... And I wouldn't underestimate someone that lifted half of a fortress and a noxus ship at the SAME time. She singlehandly destroyed Noxus army. Could Lissandra do that? If she could, she would stop Ashe and Sejuani already. Lissandra's power lies within her intelligent and cunning personality. Syndra is raw power. She is said to be more dangerous for Ionia than entire Noxus. She is country level threat come on how people can underestimate her that much? Both can kill each other, for that it is not an easy fight. But saying Lissandra is clear winner without doubt is just being biased.
: Aatrox's Celestial Concept Theory
I mean, I know his answers are not canon, but according to Scathlocke, celestial concepts are represented in the Ascended differently. Nasus is not exactly "Ascended of Death/Life/Whatever/X". He also explains "using the same well" concept a bit more. The Ascension according to him is hacking Aspect System (which he continues with how Aspects gave the Sun Disc to Shurima anyway). Aspects are generally more powerful than the Ascended, but having an Aspect is also more tiring. Creating an Ascended is more reliable and easier than an Aspect in other say. That's why they were far too many Ascended and such few Aspect. I believe it might be because of how to be an Ascended does not require 100% perfection. You might not be an extremely powerful Ascended but also not weak enough to be obliterated by power of the Sun, which is still useful against the Void (the Ascended even surprise Aspects in their fight against the Void). An extreme rarity of the Ascended are immensely powerful while others are medium tier. TL;DR BOTH Ascended and Aspect carry celestial concepts in, but they represent them differently. The way of Ascended is unknown though.
: I personally don't like the 2 characters and not because they are 2 guys but because they are the "better than you" couple that by their love alone might defeat the evil of the world (while they should have nearly no chance if we consider the power levels at play). If I had to go by pure storytelling (and ignoring the opinion I have about the characters) I'd have them slowly dissipating, building yes some attachment for those two and initially set things up to show that there is hope for them to have a happy ending, yet I would do that in order to better display the tragedy that has befell on these 2 souls. Considering that we are still at the "set up" stage, the sotry might very well be the one I've exposed but I don't feel it will be the case because of reasons that are not bound to quality storytelling, rather to: "it would feel bad to kill the first diverse couple/characters that have been introduced". I also believe that both of them have not been built decently as characters but have been thrown down to our throats while also destroying a background of an existing character that has been restored just recently. It's like we have to feel attached to the characters because they are in now rather than have them being developed at all outside of "My Hearthlight".
I mean, neither do I like them. At least I would say it would be better if they didn't exist. But I still can't take myself from thinking you are going a bit harsh on them. They are not well developed, yes, as it should be... They are not champion itself and are side characters. They are and should be developed as much as Tamara and Rafel. And they having not voice over does not help. They would feel more alive and be more likable characters with voices. Even though I am not big fan of them, I still find 3 souls in one body archetype interesting. Btw, It is always throwing down to throats when someone is not straight. I never heard that outside of LGBT threads. It started to be cliche. Same can be said for "sexuality is not important in lore" argument, which also only comes in LGBT threads (not even in freaking Ahri x Wukong threads of you know the name). It is okay to not like something. It is okay if you don't like "heartlight" word. For me, I am not huge fun of Taric complimenting Ashe and her beauty, one of the most random quotes ever. When things like these exist, "hearthlight" is not that bad if it is a few times, and definitely wouldn't be unjustified.
: How would the Dark Star and the Void interact?
Dark Star Thresh says, "we looked up into the Void, and consumed it." Void have the Watchers, even though they were unconscious, they existed(?). Dark Star itself on the other hand, a sentinent being that can consume even Dark Star entities. If I had to choose a cleary winner then I would say Dark Star overwhelms the Void but both destroying each other seems more likely IMHO. _Both are nothingness tbh, a fight between each other would be their benefit lol, even when it doesn't make any sense._
: Because, plot, romance and "muh lgbtq+ discrimination because gay characters don't have voice lines".
You know that's not the case... And even if it is, what's wrong with that?
: You sound like the Ahris, and the other Ahri mains who threw a fit when Ahri lore stated she had a lover, and that their “virgin catgrill waifu” is no lonner “pure”.
I am Ahri main but I don't say such a thing like this... let's generalize people. Kitkitkatarina is extremely self-centered person that believes their opinion is the only one that matters. It is not even worth to argue. Let them believe what they want, but it will not change the fact Garen x Katarina is almost canon.
: IMO the whole Odyssey theme just wouldn't have worked without Jinx
It wouldn't be same. But it wouldn't be same either if she replaced someone in another skin line. She is part of a new skin line now, she is one of the things we only have. Ofc it wouldn't be same without her. If we had another champion that in front, and tried to replace this said champion with Jinx, it would fail too. It is like saying replacing Dark Star Thresh with Evelynn wouldn't be same. No shit. :p I still can imagine plenty champions that would fit as primary of the cinematic though. It wouldn't be same, but it would be equally good.
SatomiKun (EUW)
: Burning Tides just gave me the feeling of a bromance and not more. Just best buddies sticking together.
Burning Tides was pretty gay and is the only reason why I started shipping them. Before that I didn't give a single damn. It is just the small details I can see better than a straight person and I am definitely not a shipper. Graves x TF is the only ship I have in my vast fantasy ocean. It is far more possible than Cait x Vi at least. They are hinting Graves x TF with snow day Graves splash and Cutthroat&Cutpurse skin bios too.
: damn straight people really be this dumb
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