Terozu (NA)
: Actually come to think of it, Zoe calls Lux tall. Since 5'4 is short even for a girl, she's more likely at least 5'8 since thats the beginning of the height for a 'tall girl', since average height range for girls is 5'4-5'8.
She might be calling her tall because she herself is short. Like, not speaking for general, but herself. Subjective view.
Mogarl (NA)
: It didn't monologue. Xerath would have had a monologue. I don't mean this sarcastically. From [Bloodline](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/rg-shurima-story/) we know Xerath is a talker, and beating someone back that was using the power of an aspect would have earned at least a sentence out of him if not a paragraph. Also the fact that it was called it means that it was an it. Xerath is at least vaguely humanlike, and would have gotten a they.
What kind of logic is this? He spoke against his ancient enemy once so he would totally speak to a random aspect too? Even without it, It was a color story anyway, dialogues might be ignored. It as pronounce means Pantheon has no clue about Xerath at all, nothing more. Story describes the Ascended so super specific, there is no way it is nof Xerath. * It being of energy and stone * Channeling energy blasts * Being in Nerimazeth Definitely screams Xerath because we know there is no any other ascended like Xerath, especially being in Nerimazeth, capital of Xerath's empire, which is also his birthplace...
: > [{quoted}](name=Script or Stack,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=i4qZfEu4,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-18T17:01:06.206+0000) > > In his new short story, he is fighting Xerath at nerizameth (Xerath's empire's capital) it says Xerath? I honestly do not remember that, unless you are assuming that due to how asosa was turned to dust
Does story need to say it when it is obvious? Descriptions are so specific there is no way it isn't Xerath.
: The Status of Xerath
He doesn't suffer with being outdated but his potential isn't maximized. You can rework his passive, add new lines, update ultimate VFX to glory, add new animations like recall, taunt, joke animations, update his base model. Base skill animations don't need much I believe, maybe better SFX. He will be outdated one day though. His kit cannot be modern in the future without tweaks.
Jaspers (EUW)
: So Azir has one, kinda odd it just appeared but what if they didn't have one in their Ascension? What if they weren't a warrior? Just a person so respected and revered in Shurima they were given ascension due to their importance? Like an inventor, politician or merchant? What if their Ascended form wasn't as human like as others and couldn't hold a weapon?
If their powers weren't meant for combat, why would you imprison them in the first place? They are imprisoned to slain the other darkins, and these darkins needed to be among the strongest. I don't expect Shabaka and Shabake to wield weapons since they were seers but Cebotaru likely had. Nasus was a scholar and a general. He wasn't trained in combat primarily, but now, he is a terrible foe with his battle axe. Ascension can change your abilities. I assume all Ascended were anthropomorphic. Even if they weren't, they probably would have limbs to wield a weapon, like I don't know, tentacles?
Jaspers (EUW)
: Whoever said they had to be trapped in their weapon? Were all Ascended great warriors who specialised in some form of weapon? Seems a weird requirement. One concept I have is a Darkin who is basically trapped in a large stick because it was near them at the time as they were a mage, no weapon needed. No 'weapon' to trap so people tricked them into picking up a stick and were trapped in that. (Of course the concept is a meat shield bruiser support with healing based on the host).
> Through secrecy and cunning artifice, the physical forms of the Ascended could be merged with the celestial power in their hearts, and all of it bound within the weapons they bore. They are imprisoned in their own weapon. And tbh, I would expect the strongest ones to wield weapons. I mean... Staff of Office was promotion to Azir from his ascension. It came with his ascension.
: A Rioter indirectly confirmed that she is bi, dude. It's not just that Vi had this dream. And it could be that she is just bi, but I still see this skin lore as a hint that there could actually be a romantic relationship with Caitlyn. Btw, skin lore _does_ mean something for me and I acknowledge that there are hints for Graves and Twisted Fate also have a homosexual relationship. I just personally prefer it if hey are a bromance. And before you assume any stuff again: No, I don't prefer them to be a bromance because I am against gay couples. I was actually a big supporter of the lore changes made to Varus. But we all have versions in our heads how we imagine these characters to be and over the years, Graves and Twisted Fate were these best buddies kicking ass for me. Just like I always imagined deeper feelings between Vi and Caitlyn. If Riot comes out with it and tells us that Graves and Twisted Fate are indeed in love, I wouldn't protest. It's just that I imagined it differently, but there is no need to throw a fit if my imagination turned out wrong there.
I actually don't mind Vi x Caitlyn, I even have a chart I have made including them. https://i.imgyukle.com/2019/08/01/k0iCxI.png To be honest, it feels weird for me to see Graves and TF as bromance after all these hints and ship Vi x Caitlyn as romantic pairing when they have so much less. But everyone is their own.
: Don't know how this makes me thirsty, but ok. You also completely ignored the part with Warring Kingdoms Vi. That's the actual hint for me. That Vi is bisexual is just a confirmation for me that the ship is not unrealistic, the actual hint is in the skin lore.
If skins meant anything for you, you wouldn't say Graves and TF is just a bromance. We don't know Vi is bi, she just saw an interesting dream with a woman and a man, she could be bi, but that shouldn't be enough for you, right?
: >Nothing hinted. I disagree. We at least already know that Vi is bisexual. Then there is the lore for the Warring Kingdoms Vi skin: >"The Emporer's enforcer; a fierce warrior and folk hero among the Jade Kingdom. It is rumored that a demon fell in love with the young warrior after witnessing her bloodlust in battle. So enchanted was the demon, it fashioned jade gauntlets for the warrior as tokens of endless devotion." The demon referenced here, who fell in love with Vi, is most likely supposed to be Lunar Wraith Caitlyn. Which could parallel the canon lore here, since Caitlyn was the one inviting Vi into Piltover's police and therefore equipped Vi with her Hextech Atlas Gauntlets.
*Vi is bisexual lets ship her with Caitlyn.* Sounds more like you are thirsty than they are hinted. This demon is ambigious to be Caitlyn, I can see it but when it is not a strong hint, I refuse to believe.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8AcIxKnQ,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2019-08-01T10:13:02.128+0000) > > I see Vi x Caitlyn as womance of League of Legends. Nothing hinted. Vi calls cait cupcake and Caits favorite snack is cupcakes IT SCIENTIFICALLY MUST BE LOVE https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/s6F5vPUP5TAZn9leqYaIacaXctQ=/0x0:1215x717/1200x0/filters:focal(0x0:1215x717):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/13677472/254012.jpg
Not sure sarcasm or not but that's more friend talk than 2 women crushing on each other. Vi x Caitlyn legit has no content. They look good together and I would ship them if they have content but so far they aren't more than buddy cops.
: - revealing the secret behind Jinx' past - confirming a romance between Vi and Caitlyn - new, updated lore for Twitch which explains his relation to Zac (they should end up rivals, Twitch should be the villain in Zac's superhero story) - new, updated lore for Singed accompanied with more information about chemtech These important things. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
I see Vi x Caitlyn as womance of League of Legends. Nothing hinted.
Rioter Comments
Terozu (NA)
: Hey for the sake of uniformity can we agree on something with the Aspects?
Or we can use aspects for only concepts, which what Riot does recently, and hosts or vessels for the mortals they choose to merge with. Leona, Diana, Zoe, Taric, Pantheon. All are targonian ascended. Nasus, Renekton, Azir, Xerath are shuriman ascended. All became vessels for the aspects they merged to ascend into godhood.
: Characters with sad origins
Renekton made 2 huge sacrifices in his life. One, he faced and accepted obliteration by power of the Sun Disc, carried his brother to the platform in his arms. Although he was gifted in the end with Ascension, it was a self-sacrifice with unselfishness that shows us how undeniably honored he was. Second, he dragged Xerath into the Tomb of the Emperors for goodness of Shurima and the world. This sacrifice is even bigger than the first because death is quicker and less painful than 3000 years of imprisonment in darkness. This time, his gift was madness and trickstery against his beloved brother. His story is so tragic he is almost at the same tier with Amumu imo (Which I think is the worst, worse than Lucian and Kalista.)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=O7NAXjBs,comment-id=000100010000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T19:28:31.564+0000) > > I just recommend you to read my message that is about why I think they are a thing together: > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/O7NAXjBs-aside-from-varus-as-lgtbq-representation-here-are-some-other-champions-that-could-serve?comment=0008000000000000 > > This should explain everything and that I don't ship them for nothing. Heck, I didn't even care about them before Burning Tides. And, like more original comment, just because two people are friends, comrades, work partners, etc. does not mean they're romantically involved.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=O7NAXjBs,comment-id=00010001000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000009,timestamp=2019-07-20T03:44:22.302+0000) > > Meanwhile you're using the stereotype that all men who've been in prison _become_ gay. Nevermind the fact the whole point of their story together is that Twisted Fate _didn't spend any time in prison, but left Graves to take the fall._ Where did I say? You are actually trolling.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=O7NAXjBs,comment-id=000100010000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T19:28:31.564+0000) > > I just recommend you to read my message that is about why I think they are a thing together: > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/O7NAXjBs-aside-from-varus-as-lgtbq-representation-here-are-some-other-champions-that-could-serve?comment=0008000000000000 > > This should explain everything and that I don't ship them for nothing. Heck, I didn't even care about them before Burning Tides. And, like more original comment, just because two people are friends, comrades, work partners, etc. does not mean they're romantically involved.
If I really assumed in that way, I would include Garen-Jarvan, Udyr-Lee Sin, Master Yi-Wukong, Jax-Gragas too, right? We already have brotherly love in LoL enough. It is your time to not assume every brotherly love looking pairings are platonic to each other.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=O7NAXjBs,comment-id=000100010000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T19:28:31.564+0000) > > I just recommend you to read my message that is about why I think they are a thing together: > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/O7NAXjBs-aside-from-varus-as-lgtbq-representation-here-are-some-other-champions-that-could-serve?comment=0008000000000000 > > This should explain everything and that I don't ship them for nothing. Heck, I didn't even care about them before Burning Tides. And, like more original comment, just because two people are friends, comrades, work partners, etc. does not mean they're romantically involved.
It doesnt mean they aren't gay. It means "until we confirm it, some blind homophobes can deny it to a point no matter what." You have no difference than people still denying Soldier 76's sexuality. You just don't want it. You are not logical. You only want to see what you want. When you are nothing close to being objective, you can't mark me with "seeing things don't exist."
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=O7NAXjBs,comment-id=000100010000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T19:28:31.564+0000) > > I just recommend you to read my message that is about why I think they are a thing together: > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/O7NAXjBs-aside-from-varus-as-lgtbq-representation-here-are-some-other-champions-that-could-serve?comment=0008000000000000 > > This should explain everything and that I don't ship them for nothing. Heck, I didn't even care about them before Burning Tides. And, like more original comment, just because two people are friends, comrades, work partners, etc. does not mean they're romantically involved.
You are the one assuming they are close friends. Show me your evidence where they are close friends and then we talk. You have nothing better than mine. Your religion isn't absolute. It doesn't decide what is quality or not. If Riot they can release your stupid icon champion as straight and naked, they can make Graves and TF a pairing. And that day, again, you 2 can lose your mind. Actually, I would come here to remind you how close mindes homophobics you are.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=O7NAXjBs,comment-id=000100010000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T19:28:31.564+0000) > > I just recommend you to read my message that is about why I think they are a thing together: > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/O7NAXjBs-aside-from-varus-as-lgtbq-representation-here-are-some-other-champions-that-could-serve?comment=0008000000000000 > > This should explain everything and that I don't ship them for nothing. Heck, I didn't even care about them before Burning Tides. And, like more original comment, just because two people are friends, comrades, work partners, etc. does not mean they're romantically involved.
You can be only that dull and blind. I literally gave you rioter messages, and you say they are in the same level of Jarvan and Garen? You are trolling right now. There is no way someone can be that in denial. I at least have arguments on why I think they are together. You give no fucking shit except saying "2 men can be close without romantic love." I don't even know why I am arguing with a bigot homophobe that doesn't even have arguments at all. Remember me when they confirm they are together. At this point, you can lose your mind, or quit the game. I don't care.
: Yo how's that vet thing going, almost done?
2 years more. :) Veterinarian faculty is 5 years. What about your software engineering? (*am I right*)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=O7NAXjBs,comment-id=000100010000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T19:28:31.564+0000) > > I just recommend you to read my message that is about why I think they are a thing together: > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/O7NAXjBs-aside-from-varus-as-lgtbq-representation-here-are-some-other-champions-that-could-serve?comment=0008000000000000 > > This should explain everything and that I don't ship them for nothing. Heck, I didn't even care about them before Burning Tides. And, like more original comment, just because two people are friends, comrades, work partners, etc. does not mean they're romantically involved.
Is that really what you got from the entire message? Have you even read? Because them being friends wasn't my reason at all. Otherwise, I would think the same for Jarvan and Garen.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=O7NAXjBs,comment-id=0001000100000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T18:05:25.820+0000) > > You can't know how far he could go, exceeding his acting skills. It would still be an act. Again, actors who do sex scenes don't have to be the orientation of their character. Hell, Varus's and Neeko's voice actors aren't gay.
I just recommend you to read my message that is about why I think they are a thing together: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/O7NAXjBs-aside-from-varus-as-lgtbq-representation-here-are-some-other-champions-that-could-serve?comment=0008000000000000 This should explain everything and that I don't ship them for nothing. Heck, I didn't even care about them before Burning Tides.
: Your explanation would only mean he's an _actor_. Actors don't have to BE the things they pretend to be. Tom Holland didn't have his parents killed so he could be an actual orphan.
You can't know how far he could go, exceeding his acting skills.
: I never said you did, brainiac. I said that for you to equate bisexuality and gambling, YOU would have to be doing some pretty impressive mental gymnastics.
Is it really hard that to think about that you could abuse your opponent's interests? Haven't you ever heard of female agents in the past? Why would they use females, would you say? When you are hot as TF, and as intelligent, when you see your opponent in gambling is interested in men, you can abuse it. > Twisted Fate is an infamous card shark and swindler who has gambled and *charmed* his way across much of the known world, earning the enmity and admiration of the rich and foolish alike. He rarely takes things seriously, greeting each day with a mocking smile and an insouciant swagger. In every possible way, Twisted Fate always has an ace up his sleeve. He is a cheater, and sexuality is a way to cheat. See Evelynn. He is just far less ferocious.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=O7NAXjBs,comment-id=0001000100000001,timestamp=2019-07-18T17:35:02.776+0000) > > https://www.reddit.com/r/EvelynnMains/comments/72lm4h/will_evelynn_and_tf_still_be_canon/dnjius8/ (click on the picture) > > *was*. > > It is old lore and don't tell me that a man master of gambler and cheat doesn't make sense with bisexuality. > > Graves has never ever been shown or written with a woman in any official content. Not even in an old lore. I don't know what you mean with Graves. Now please, exhibit for me the mental gymnastics required to equate gambler with bisexuality.
Required? Let's not pull words out of our asses. I never said that. I said it would make sense. And it could be benefical. I don't know much about gambling, but I know it is strongly affected by bluff, cheating and playing on your opponent, using everything you can possibly have. We both aren't as intelligent as TF, but if I was, and if I was TF, I could find a way to use my bisexuality in specific cases. I don't care if you could or not. That's your problem. And if it is the only thing you could pick on my message, very sad. :)
: > [{quoted}](name=ChunLii,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=O7NAXjBs,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-07-18T16:17:09.589+0000) > > Ugh no. I don't see Garen and Jarvan or Swain and Darius as having any sort of romantic relationship. Although I do know one popular artist who promotes the latter but _personally_ I don't see it. And yet you see TF, who was already canonically involved with Evelynn, and Graves. Jayce, who's a ladies-man with Viktor, Vi and Caitlin who are close because they're literally police partners. And Leona who is chasing Diana because she wants to apologize and explain what she knows. Other people's ships have no less merit than your own. Granted, neither you nor them have any merit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EvelynnMains/comments/72lm4h/will_evelynn_and_tf_still_be_canon/dnjius8/ (click on the picture) *was*. It is old lore and don't tell me that a man master of gambler and cheat doesn't make sense with bisexuality. Graves has never ever been shown or written with a woman in any official content. Not even in an old lore. I don't know what you mean with Graves.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=O7NAXjBs,comment-id=0008000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T16:20:48.162+0000) > > I can categorize my hints to story, skins and rioters. 3 different categorizes each with more than a few hints. > > First one, story. Story to me is the biggest hint but some people can't see it for some (obvious) reasons, but I won't go into reasons. > > In story, you see obsession of Graves. If you are not legally blind, you can easily tell a man seeking vengeance due to 10 years of imprisonment caused by his *close friend*'s betrayal, finding him, going behind him, threatening him, but still not SHOOTING him, are kinda gay. Head of Narrative when Burning Tides was released said "All i can say is Graves is not a stormtropper." He intentionally did not shot him. > > Twisted Fate. If you read the story, you might know how much afraid he is of water. He in Burning Tides directly says he would rather die from falling on the floor than jump in the water. Later in story, you see him going back for Graves to save him from water, jumping in the water, declining wealth and safety, facing his biggest nightmare. We are talking about a gambler and thief, money is everything to him but he chooses Graves over goodness. He even says "I could be incredibly rich and leave this wicked place in an hour but I can't leave Graves behind, not again." > these could be seen as brotherly love and quarrel though, any man who has had a close non-romantic relationship with another man can relate to this. While I'm not really against the concept and could see that interpretation, i just really never thought of it as anything other than brothers in arms. > In the end of story, after TF saves Graves and Graves saves TF, they make a conversation. In this conversation, Graves looks dead in the eye of TF, smiles and feels happy it feels like the old days. Have you ever had "looking dead in the eye is gay."? Yeah, a writer chooses his words really carefully. Nothing is random. > ehh that seems very loose > Second is skins. There are 2 skins hints that I think are quite funny but I also think there is an intention behind them. > > In Cutpurse TF and Cutthroat skin bios, it is said Graves is TF's furry companion and these 2 would do *anything* for the right prices. Means less than second skin hint. > > Second skin hint is Snow Day Graves splash art. In that splash art, Graves collects one of TF's golden cards. Right to it there is a picture of both together. Everything sounds normal and you may say so what? But above the golden card, there is a poro licking a carrot in an unusual way. If it isn't innuendo I don't know what it is. > > http://www.lol-wallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Snow-Day-Graves-Splash-Art-HD-4k-Wallpaper-Background-Official-Art-Artwork-League-of-Legends-lol.jpg > I don't know if riot would go about that type on innuendo as it's actively offensive and points to the negative hypersexualization stereotype. It would be blatently prejudicial/stereotype oriented. But if this is all true WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY SWEATHEART GRAVES+TF SKINS? > Lastly, there are rioter/ex-rioter messages. > > 2 rioters, 2 ex-rioters, talking about who might be gay. > > https://img0.imguh.com/2019/07/18/Ekran-goruntuleri_20190409-2304182637632d1ba23f9c.png > > And then there is IronStylus having an interview once, talking about Diana's sexuality and then briefly mentioning " Graves and TF's romantic relationship was explored to carry Graves' vendetta to greater point." He also mentioned not all his work is lost. ok that lends a lot of credence though, I mean it'd be a cooler relationship than the protestable concept of making taric gay. Personally i think the flambouyence on taric would lose its charm if he were confirmed homosexual, I'd almost prefer him to be strictly heterosexual just because it'd be a subversion. Noone can even argue that taric is feminine, he runs around bash shit with a hammer face to face, sure he's fabulous but he's definitely not a wimp... which is why I win via ragequit about a third of the time that i play taric top.... nobody expects the PTA damage auto spam
> these could be seen as brotherly love and quarrel though, any man who has had a close non-romantic relationship with another man can relate to this. While I'm not really against the concept and could see that interpretation, i just really never thought of it as anything other than brothers in arms. I can't say anything against that. True it has brotherly love meaning too. But as we have enough brotherly love in league, I think it should have another meaning, otherwise, how can you show homosexual relationship without kissing, saying love you etc? You can care about someone romantically and protect them, it is not just straight thing you know. It is quite cool imo that both protect each other even when they are enemies (the part where both shot men of Gangplank behind each other's for example). > ehh that seems very loose I don't think it is loose. If you ask me, it is the biggest hint of story part. >T.F. figures hard for a moment. >“Hmm. Not sure about having you as a partner again – you’re even dumber than you used to be,” he finally answers. >“That’s alright. I’m not sure about havin’ a partner called Twisted Fate. Who the hell came up with that?” >“Well, it’s a damn sight better than my real name,” T.F. laughs. >“Fair enough,” I admit. >I grin. It feels just like the old days. Then I go stone faced and look him dead in the eye. >“Just one thing: You ever have mind to leave me holding the bag again, I’ll blow your goddamn head off. No questions.” >Fate’s laugh dies down, and for a moment, he glares back at me. Then, after a while, he just smiles. >“You got a deal.” Don't leave me ever again sounds very gay to me, I don't know. I don't remember hearing it from any friends in fiction. >I don't know if riot would go about that type on innuendo as it's actively offensive and points to the negative hypersexualization stereotype. It would be blatently prejudicial/stereotype oriented. But if this is all true WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY SWEATHEART GRAVES+TF SKINS? As a gay man, I don't find it offensive, hypersexualizating, or as any stereotype. Why do you think so? > ok that lends a lot of credence though, I mean it'd be a cooler relationship than the protestable concept of making taric gay. Personally i think the flambouyence on taric would lose its charm if he were confirmed homosexual, I'd almost prefer him to be strictly heterosexual just because it'd be a subversion. Noone can even argue that taric is feminine, he runs around bash shit with a hammer face to face, sure he's fabulous but he's definitely not a wimp... which is why I win via ragequit about a third of the time that i play taric top.... nobody expects the PTA damage auto spam Hard agree. Taric not gay is far more interesting than as gay to me. Tbh, I don't even find Taric feminine overly, sure he has some, but he has manliness too. I think he is balanced in that regard, which makes him even more interesting. But I hate the memes and stereotypes, so I would rather have him as panromantic asexual (loving everyone but not interested in sex) or something.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=O7NAXjBs,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-07-18T15:43:16.984+0000) > Also, if you wan't, I can give you all the hints I have on why Graves and TF are more than close friends. It will be long, that's why it needs to be in another comment. Normally i'd be against derailing a thread but this thread is horrible, that bit of trivia however is intriguing
I can categorize their hints to story, skins and rioters. 3 different categorizes each with more than a few hints. First one, story. Story to me is the biggest hint but some people can't see it for some (obvious) reasons, but I won't go into reasons. In story, you see obsession of Graves. If you are not legally blind, you can easily tell a man seeking vengeance due to 10 years of imprisonment caused by his *close friend*'s betrayal, finding him, going behind him, threatening him, but still not SHOOTING him, are kinda gay. Head of Narrative when Burning Tides was released said "All i can say is Graves is not a stormtropper." He intentionally did not shot him. Twisted Fate. If you read the story, you might know how much afraid he is of water. He in Burning Tides directly says he would rather die from falling on the floor than jump in the water. Later in story, you see him going back for Graves to save him from water, jumping in the water, declining wealth and safety, facing his biggest nightmare. We are talking about a gambler and thief, money is everything to him but he chooses Graves over goodness. He even says "I could be incredibly rich and leave this wicked place in an hour but I can't leave Graves behind, not again." In the end of story, after TF saves Graves and Graves saves TF, they make a conversation. In this conversation, Graves looks dead in the eye of TF, smiles and feels happy it feels like the old days. Have you ever heard of "looking dead in the eye is gay." say? Yeah, a writer chooses his words really carefully. Nothing is random. Second is skins. There are 2 skins hints that I think are quite funny but I also think there is an intention behind them. In Cutpurse TF and Cutthroat skin bios, it is said Graves is TF's furry companion and these 2 would do *anything* for the right prices. Means less than second skin hint. >Cutpurse Twisted Fate: Looking to hire some muscle for an above-the-board, highly legitimate business venture? Look no further than Twisted Fate and his furry companion Graves, two men who will do anything (and we mean anything) to anybody (and we mean anybody) for the right price (any price). Inquire within! > Cutthroat Graves: Do you want to do extreme damage to someone (or something) in a loud, noticeable fashion? Look no further than Graves and his slippery pal Tobias, two men who will blow up anything (must be destructible) or anyone (must be destructible) for the right price (no ghouls please). Inquire within! Second skin hint is Snow Day Graves splash art. In that splash art, Graves collects one of TF's golden cards. Right to it there is a picture of both together. Everything sounds normal and you may say so what? But above the golden card, there is a poro licking a carrot in an unusual way. If it isn't innuendo I don't know what it is. http://www.lol-wallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Snow-Day-Graves-Splash-Art-HD-4k-Wallpaper-Background-Official-Art-Artwork-League-of-Legends-lol.jpg Lastly, there are rioter/ex-rioter messages. 2 rioters, 2 ex-rioters, talking about who might be gay. https://img0.imguh.com/2019/07/18/Ekran-goruntuleri_20190409-2304182637632d1ba23f9c.png And then there is IronStylus having an interview once, talking about Diana's sexuality and then briefly mentioning " Graves and TF's romantic relationship was explored to carry Graves' vendetta to greater point." He also mentioned not all his work is lost. > so, for Diana, it was to emphasize tragedy both internal and external to herself. With Graves and Twisted Fate, to stoke the fires of their personal vendetta to greater heights. And the process in doing is is something that Maurino looks back upon fondly, and tries to implement in his own work with Wavedash even now.
: i'm only here to said on TF/Graves *pulls out megaphone* "Guys can be close friends that support each other and not be gay god damnit." also, we have {{champion:114}} who was confirmed at least bi and {{champion:518}} who around 40% of her special interaction are about her being gay, even though her story is about repopulating her tribe and *distant grumbles*
I don't know what you want. Another Garen - Jarvan IV? Or Udyr - Lee Sin? Or Jax - Gragas? Or Wukong - Master Yi? Just tell me. It is obvious you aren't satisfied. Because god forbids gays cannot exist in fiction without doing 69, or eating their mouths like there is no tomorrow. It is just not gays shipping everyone, it is also straights being in denial so much. People couldn't see gayness of Neeko with all these obvious hints, for that Rioters needed to confirm it in twitter. People still deny Soldier 76's gayness and headcanon he is *straight*. Also, if you wan't, I can give you all the hints I have on why Graves and TF are more than close friends. It will be long, that's why it needs to be in another comment.
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Is your icon intentionally chosen to be ironic? Or are you just sarcasmic? {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
Zerenza (NA)
: I think we need more Big Bad's and Leader's in the Universe.
Xerath's bio ends with *a world crumbling with mortals ready to worship a new and terrible god* and you say he isn't a global threat? You can be sure, whoever wins the battle of Shurima, is gonna change the world. They will have a bigger impact than any region.
: Xeraths importance in shurima
Very likely he was second in command in Imperial Shurima. It was said a slave rising in a statue of his was never seen before, an extremely unusual case. Then you add his individual talent of magic, where he could mind control multiple people, hide his mind from the Ascended, summon terrible sandstorms, cast lightning bolts, burn people with blue blaze of arcane, break the seal of his later sarcophagus etc. In his bio, it is said he was a dangerous foe even as a human, and with his new form, that he is almost invincible. Was he respected? Well, obviously. In truth, they had to. Xerath was a serious man, and people knew he was hiding something. It is just, they couldn't dare to be his enemy, since anyone rumoring about him had gone missing mysteriously. You wonder who and why. :)
: I'm confused, why have people bothered to downvoted this? Typically the sizable downvotes are indicative of people presenting their dissatisfaction with the content of a thread. But it's not like OP was being intrusive, nor have they explicitly or definitively suggested there shouldn't be any sexuality (chemistry) between the characters. In fact, OP is obviously more neutral with this discussion. So the downvotes are for what exactly, are people actually discouraging champions from having romantic chemistry despite the fact the comments clearly advocate for it. I'd have thought to upvote to show my encouragement for champions having romantic chemistry. But only a few others have done so already. So am I to not do that, am I to downvote to show my encouragement for champions having romantic chemistry? Yet that would feel counterintuitive. Are people actually downvoting because they discourage champions from having romantic chemistry? What?
We are downvoting because examples he has given are homosexual relationships. He is obviously bothered by it, like somehow he just notices people shipping Leona and Diana and not official pairings like Xayah and Rakan. Also, nobody that hasn't any issues with LGBT would create such a thread like this, as everyone is already used to straight relationships and they are everywhere. Sexuality is unimportant only when it comes to LGBT. In short, he tries too hard to don't sound like he dislikes LGBT, and his acting innocent, stupid questions can't hide it. Pseudo objectivity is a ridiculously cheap tool for people like him to avoid backfire in case. *I am not homophobic, I just don't like sexuality, but at the same I fucking ignore heterosexual attractions added to 10+ originally ambigious champions in less than 2 years. People shipping 2 same sex unofficially though? Big deal.*
aus102 (NA)
: Is sexuality necessary in a MOBA?
How delightfully ironic it is that examples you have given ended with both being homosexual relationships. Sexuality is always unimportant when it comes to LGBT. Love it.
: {{champion:268}} is top because he's able to defy the plane of existence and travel through time. {{champion:75}} is a pacifist so he gets a huge debuff to his power. {{champion:58}} is dumb so he gets a huge debuff to his power {{champion:266}} emo so he get's a power buff. {{champion:101}} because he's emo, but everyone knows mages are weak {{champion:110}} because he's able to fit two men inside of him at once. {{champion:141}} because he was defeated by a boy. i think that's all of the champions that I know of that are labelled as ascended or darkin right?
That weak mage legit ripped a new hole on Nasus. Even If he was virgin for all this time, he is no more.
Pyrosan (NA)
: As someone who's mained him since season 7 I don't really think he needs more skins, Scorched Earth Xerath is bomb AF, the others just need to be modernised as they look outdated graphics wise Edit: He also doesn't have enough base following for Riot to want to make another skin for him, they only make skins if they'll sell
*I don't think he really needs more skins* *About a champion released in season 2 but still have 4 four skins only, where also his last skin was 4+ years ago* You're ultra kidding, right? A prank? Ultimate joke of the year?
Falrein (EUW)
: Which champions get interacted with the most in-game? (Spoilers, it's not Lux) - A List
Congrats Fal. That's such a work not gonna lie. More Xerath interactions when cuz he desperately needs compare to others right {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
FSRER (EUNE)
: Lee Sin's new voice actor on PBE
https://youtu.be/kQb6g0mlqdg Here some of his quotes.
Jaspers (EUW)
: Admittedly, the whole immortal concept thing is weird to me, if they are embedded with celestial concept and if that concept is destroy it is removed forever in all things means Ascended in themselves can never be killed as the concept can never be killed as it's not a thing to be killed, it's a concept. That part of the (Twitter) lore always baffled me as know of many Ascended that have died. I'd very much say Darkin's are inferior to Ascended because they aren't even the Darkin's of when they were dictators, just souls trapped in weapons. It means little if their form isn't whole. An Ascended has a body, a tough one too, it came with the process of being Ascended but Darkin's (as they are now) do not, they have taken hosts and butchered them to fit a form but a weak human hosts. Aatrox basically is a walking corpse, he burns them out and gets a new one right? "they needed" being humans? Base humans who had no way of destroying a god like beings murdering and enslaving them? No kidding they needed Aspects help. Aatrox the Ascended would not lose to Mordekaiser but he's not an Ascended anymore, he's a corpse with a sword. Aatrox the Darkin Blade would.
When an ascended dies, i don't think the concept dies with them. If you ask me, it gets unbound and released. Killing a concept through targonian or shuriman ascended needs cunning, specific magic for that reason. You need to imprison the aspect and endure it going back to celestial realm. Like imprisoning the darkin. They are sealed in weapons with their avatars, and erased from the universe. Kinda like Aspect of War dying in Twin Dawns story but still having next incarnations. Aspects don't die with their hosts. Aatrox possessing only one body is obviously weaker than the pure, non-imprisoned Aatrox, I agree with that. But when he carves enough flesh and merge them, he becomes a catastrophic power. He lost 1v1 power, as he needs settings in favor, but his army destroying capability is probably increased. That makes Aatrox very dangerous for Runeterra. Other darkins might have unique powers they have gained after their imprisonment that we dont know too. *By the way, I am not betting on Aatrox against Mordekaiser or anything, it is just he unlikely to defeat 3 of them at once, yet 5.*
Jaspers (EUW)
: I know you didn't but but they aren't Ascended, they are souls trapped in weapons malforming bodies. A weapon is still just that an inanimate thing, drop it and it stays there. Disconnect the weapon from the host, what do you get? Send a body to the death realm but leave the sword, what do you get? Just saying Ascended's die to make sure people know they do. I think everyone makes too much of Ascendeds/Darkins and make them out to be too powerful. Also think people make out like Aspects are too powerful too, beating a Pantheon is not a feat, everyone has done it. :P Pretty sure throw anyone (other the voidborn obviously) into the Void they'd die, Aatrox and Morde alike.
They are still ascended though? Their essence is still the same, it is just their souls are no more attached to specifically designed immortal bodies. For that, they can't carry the all power they have to mortal hosts, otherwise, they quickly fade and die. Darkins are not inferior ascended either, it is just they are different now. Even to their demonic appearance, they are still divine beings of celestial magic. The magic that made them lose many powers they had also brought other abilities. I know limits of an ascended, it is just not low enough to lowball them to lose against a undead warlord at ease. Especially 5 of them against Mordekaiser. As I said, they needed Targon influence when they weren't even *united*, while not even Icathia's Fall was influenced by Targon. They had been a greater threat for Runeterra than the Void so far, that says something.
Jaspers (EUW)
: The Celestial magic that made them doesn't mean they are immortal, especially not in their current forms. According to lore, Ta'anari killed a Darkin one in the Twilight story, Nasus killed one in a library, 3 Ascended died when Icathia ruined their country. Setaka is dead. While the celestial magic give them powers, they don't control it like Morde might with his magic, it's just what gives them power. But those were actual Ascendeds/Darkins, what are they now? Malformed monsters with twisted bodies who are; in control but mardy (Aatrox), not in control (Rhaast) or in turmoil (Varus). Current Morde is a Reverant right? Far more powerful than being tricked as a human. I give it to Morde all day long.
Ugh? Never said the Ascended are unkillable. You are talking about the darkin before their imprisonment. Imprisoned darkins though, due to cunning magic of Aspect of Twilight are indestructible, you can't destroy a darkin weapon to get off them. When even Nagakabouros is a question to kill the darkins, you know how hard it is to break their seal. And saying like Setaka is dead, I don't know, kinda biased? You think Mordekaiser would survive the Void? There is quite a huge difference between Ta'anari and Aatrox. Aatrox very likely to be a perfect ascended, while Ta'anari was showing aging symptoms. So, we are talking about a being that was capable of killing beings like Ornn. And he still can do that. He has potential to solo warhosts of Noxus + Triferian Legion + Darius.
: Well I’m going to give Mordekaiser the edge due to his knowledge in magic. Aatrox’ Blood magic can’t really affect the Tinhead, and if anyone can understand and use magic powerful enough to destroy a Darkin, it would be Mordekaiser. I somehowe doubt that’s Aatrox has the magical know-how to permanently destroy Mordekaiser, if even just killing Mordekaiser is possible. In fact, I would go so far as to say that Mordekaiser could take on all five of the Darkin, at the very least, the three we’ve already seen. As for the respective armies, I’ll give that to Mordekaiser. Army of ghosts tends to outmatch army of thralls.
Haven't seen a bigger lowballing the darkin. These 5 darkins needed Targon influence and celestial power to bind their magic into their weapons. Mordekaiser was stopped by Black Rose. 2 aspects had active role in their defeat. Mordekaiser's enemies were LeBlanc and Vladimir so far. Mordekaiser is powerful and perhaps a worthy oppenent against any darkin in 1v1 but saying he can definitely take 3 of them at the same time is delusional. Saying he can destroy a darkin weapon even more delusional when they are said to be near destructible that so far only the Void is capable of it.
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=IsukVNG5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-01T19:26:05.248+0000) > > Xerath at his weakest was slowly winning against Renekton AND Nasus teaming up at their strongest. > Do the math Xerath was at his weakest then? I thought he was at his strongest, having freshly had an overcharged ascension without the coffin reducing his power
It is said current Xerath is stronger than ever, so yeah, he is at his strongest right now. And his power increases every passing moment.
Jaspers (EUW)
: I thought Shurima fell 2000 years ago? Ah well, 3000 years just makes those craving the Empire of Shurima and flooding back to a long dead civilisation even weirder but that's more of a anthropology matter. But not everything Celestial is Targonian (Bard, Sol, Soraka). How much of the old lore about Runeterra's existance is still canon? Is Runeterra just a regular planet or was it the construct of some unknown Celestial beings that gave up mid way through (latter being far more interesting)?
It is definitely not a regular planet. I know rioters saying it is a world crafted by the celestials with world runes, but their work is unfinished. Why and how they made it are mysteries. Even Aurelion Sol admits it is a special planet.
d00mface (EUW)
: All of these mysteries interest and intrigue me but I think the one that interests me the most is the truth behind Zuretta. I have a theory or two about her, but its mostly unfounded tbh so I'll have to wait and see if we get more information before I can spin the theory further. ~~Or I can tell you now if you'd like to see some real tin foil hatting. Your choice.~~
Jaspers (EUW)
: Fair enough. Then I kind wish they'd talk more about that. Seem everything Shuriman is related to Targon the way they tell it and Shurima isn't their own power. The last part is a nice bit of info, shame it was a AMA lore. But that raises more questions about how old Shurima is and how the Tomb could have got lost enough for Nasus to find it. Shuriman's of now certain haven't forgotten their past glories, they flock back to Azir's new Kindgom like the fall happened a few decades ago, not millenia. Which is odd, most of that would be out of people memories and minds or at least tainted but what followed it. Constant war for centuries because of god-like mad men. It would be like if the Roman's came back and all those nations once loyal and part of the empire just accepting it's return again. Oasis of the Dawn seem to me to be more world runes magic related. It's a magic oasis from which a river flows, so a constant source of water in the middle of a desert, right? The city wouldn't even be there without it.
Dawn of Shurima was roughly 6000 years ago. There is about 3000 years more before Fall of Shurima. Enough for knowledge to be lost. But to be honest, I think this part of Nasus will be removed. World rune is possible to be honest, but that would make Oasis of the Dawn a bit targonian because world runes are celestial.
Jaspers (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EAw4vewL,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-30T20:38:56.769+0000) > > These pictures shouldn't be for nothing. > > 5. Tomb of the Emperors. Everything sounds cute and understandable, like no mystery at all, it is just a tomb for emperors and their big egos... But, when you think about the blood magic, resurrection of Azir, imprison of 2 potent Ascended, you notice this tomb is not anywhere near normal. It had a magic that 2 ascended couldn't escape at all for 3000 years. It requires blood of the emperors, and it doesn't give a damn about city destroying beings. You wonder why Tomb of the Emperors was prison that Nasus also thought was the only solution for Xerath permanently. Origin, I demand. On Nasus bio page right now is this: "...eventually going on to discover the legendary Tomb of the Emperors hidden beneath the Shuriman capital." How does something like that get lost considering it was below the capital? Considering other lore stats that Setaka's weapon opens it, it raises more questions. A few things from Nasus bio stand out to me, first that they say he is gifted with long life making it sound like while other Ascended are long lived, generally they will never live as long as Nasus ever will. The Tomb isn't really a Tomb but a magical prison, essentially a dark dimension of sorts where you can't find the end or beginning and there is no entry or exist from the inside. Kinda like Dragon Ball Z's hyperbolic time chamber except time doesn't exist there yet it does at the same time. This is how Renekton and Xerath don't really age much in that time (thought it was 2000 years btw?). Origin wise, if Nasus discovered it and Setaka knows Nasus then it would be safe to assume (as it's said she got her weapon from Targonians) that it's origin is Targonian from when they basically ruled more than some mountain. Created as a prison with a special key. > > There are other mysteries like Rise of Shurima, contact between targonians and shurimans, why did they give them power of Ascension, what is the relation between Aspects and the Ascended and things like that but I believe these questions might be answered in near future. I listed mysteries that are very likely to be ignored and gone unnoticed. Not saying these questions should be priorities, it is more of ideas to explore in the future, a reminder more than anything. This is one bit I don't want them to talk about however, according to new-ish lore both Targon and this new place Ixtal helped make Ascension process. Did Shurima do nothing for themselves? According to how it works or what has happened with this special ritual is all Shurima did was create monsters and ruin the world. It's kind like shifting the blame "Well you made it for us to use... blah blah." Not they bought it on themselves/hubris. Make sense? I want Shurima to have made it, to have created the process even if Targon or Ixtal gave them the means to.
Actually, targonians just shared their knowledge and guided them, rest of it is shuriman, therefore Ascension is shuriman. It is like countries sharing their software to other countries but in the end production belongs to the one creates. For shuriman magic, there are netherblade and other ascended weapons, iron and fire golems, serpent curse, Oasis of the Dawn (might have targonian touch too tho) and many unknown. Also, Dinopawz once said Tomb of the Emperors is shuriman and not targonian but you know, it is an AMA answer.
: I thought the fire spirit Renekton and Nasus fought was Brand?
Not anymore. It was AMA answer only, nothing was official. And thus technically, nothing is retconned. Brand is just too young to be this being of eternal fire. Fall of Shurima happened about 3000 years ago, Brand should be 900-1000 years old.
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