: How is it a curse?
Mental illness is quite a curse. {{sticker:sg-zephyr}}
: I salute you, good sir.
Blessing and curse at the same time. {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
: A reminder to all what @Scathlocke canonized
I am the one responsible for all of this.
: Durability of a Darkin Weapon
A darkin weapon is an almost indestructible tool. They are considered as true immortals by rioters. They cannot die, they cannot be destroyed, only be contained. So far nothing have worked. You can ask that to Aatrox, he knows it the best. If you throw them in the Void or pull Nagakabouros out of your ass, they would be done though.
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I would love Fiddlesticks to be Urgot level update, voice wise. A serious, scary, dark voice that even his jokes and taunts are "this guy kills, literally." Fiddlesticks should be offspring of horror and terror, twin brother of Nocturne. Make him have nice interactions though please. You have no idea how much we lore fans love interactions. We always get disappointed when there is too few of them. He was always disconnected to the Runeterra. With interactions to targonians, shurimans, freljordians (which I expect he will be related to at least one of them), we can jizz on our pants.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=JMeN6J37,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-11T14:48:24.087+0000) > > Dude, most of things you say are either retconned or your headcanons. Aurelion Sol is a celestial being from celestial realm. Bard's uncomplete bio is no more canon. Soraka is a wanderer, a celestial being sacrificed her power to manifest in material realm. There are no multiple aspects and Targon is no more a galactic empire. These are retconned. > > Scathlocke knows what he is talking about. He is Lead Editor lul, one of few narrative members that know entire lore. If he is saying something contradicting with current lore, that would be because he knows something we don't know. A new lore in background, out of our reach, retconning current lore. Excuse me? LOL? I think anyone reading what you just said knows you know NOTHING about the lore. ZOES TITLE IN GAME IS LITERALLY ASPECT OF THE TWILIGHT. IT IS IN HER NAME. IT IS STILL IN HER LORE WHICH IS PART OF THE NEW LORE UNIVERSE. Leo AND Diana ALREADY HAVE UPDATED LORES WHERE THEY ARE ASPECTS. Aurelion IS NOT A CELESTIAL BEING???? HE ISN'T FROM THE CELESTIAL PLANE??? EXCUSE ME????omg... like I'm blocking u. I've never met someone so... incompetent
You legit don't know how to read, do you? I said AS is from celestial realm. Zoe is still an aspect. There are just no multiple Aspects of Change.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=JMeN6J37,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-06-10T04:21:45.726+0000) > > Celestials are not spiritual. What makes you think that? Maybe you're confusing a celestial with something like Soraka or Aurelion. Aurelion isn't a celestial like the celestials (sounds confusing but it's not), he's a celestial dragon from outer space, an alien. The celestials how their own plane of existence meanwhile Aurelion is literally just from space, he's a celestial in the sense that he's from space. The other celestials are called celestials because they used to create star signs to give messages to the people living on runeterra, they don't live in space, they just control a lot of what's in space from their own plane of existence. Most celestials don't actually leave their plane, they just use their powers to influence things over time. Bard and Soraka are rarities. Bard takes on his spiritual form to take a more direct approach at controlling things, but it's theorized that he has to rest inbetween doing it or is very limited as he doesn't suffer like soraka. Soraka gave up her celestial status and powers to become a mortal, that's why she hurts herself every time she uses her powers. She merged her own spirit with a physical body (that she made herself). Aurelion and soraka (any more) are not celestials, they're not purely spirits like the others. Aurelion was literally chained to runeterra by a celestial afterall, most of them are wayyy more powerful than him in what they can do. Aurelion is considered extremely powerful by people who don't actually know the lore. They don't realize he's been there since the start of the universe and his stars take thousands of years to form, he's strong, but not close to the celestials. They are spiritual, completely spiritual. Why do you think celestials have people they imbue their spirtual powers with? They can't take a true, powerful permanent physical form without a cost (Soraka) because they're just spirits in the end, they don't have a real physcial form. Even soraka isn't that strong anyways outside of the celestial plane, their powers come from the celestial plane the same way the yordles gain their powers from their celestial plane. There are multiple pantheons across the galaxy of LoL for a reason. There are probably multiple aspects of suns and moons too. Zoe is the only celestial who has a physcial form without draw backs and that's because Zoe and the aspect of twilight literally merged, so zoe is the aspect of the twilight and the aspect of twilight is her until it merges with someone else. I'm guessing merging with one entity isn't the best approach considering the celestials look over multiple planets, so that's why they don't all do it. Maybe this cleared something up for you... they're obviously spiritual. Frejlord and Leona's tribe (I don't know if what she's part of is called a tribe) literally practice in spiritual magic and that's how they talk to the celestials and became so connected with them. Celestial magic is literally just a type of spirtual magic.
Dude, most of things you say are either retconned or your headcanons. Aurelion Sol is a celestial being from celestial realm. Bard's uncomplete bio is no more canon. Soraka is a wanderer, a celestial being sacrificed her power to manifest in material realm. There are no multiple aspects and Targon is no more a galactic empire. These are retconned. Scathlocke knows what he is talking about. He is Lead Editor lul, one of few narrative members that know entire lore. If he is saying something contradicting with current lore, that would be because he knows something we don't know. A new lore in background, out of our reach, retconning current lore.
: I'm pretty sure this has a problem with it. Wether or not you can use elemental magic already depends on your spirit. Elemental magic itself sometimes is nothing but a spirit (lulu and trist new story for ex). Most magic is dependant on what kind of spirit you have (for example Veigar's magic which was shaped into how dark it is by morde destroying his spirit). All magic pretty much comes from spirit for the champions in league. Spirit also goes as far to probably give people super human strength without it necesarily being magic (garen, darius, the yordles who don't really use any magic but have good reflexes). Most of the magic used in the frejlord is pretty much based around spiritual stuff, not elemental stuff. If you read their lore, they're constantly talking about spirits and magic together, not seperatley. I'd say ALL of the magic in League is spiritual related as even elemental things are given spirits (trees, an entire grove as a whole). The creatures of the void are probably using a mix of magic and physical features. The void creatures (the watchers) are literally considered magical and I'm pretty sure they helped lissandra get so powerful with her magic. If there are other types of magic, I still expect them to be spirit based from the core. Like using a god's magic, but that god still has a spirit, and that god is just lending down the magic. I think you've mostly heard about most of the lore in league and not read it yourself. Galio doesn't use anti magic. He's made out of stuff that absorbs magic, like demacian steel. It was also made pretty clear in sylas's story that his magic is spirtual. Elemental magic is literally just a type of spirtual magic. The celestials are basically pure spirit creatures, their magic is spirtual, it's not their own type of magic. Unless L J plans on literally going back and rewriting a ton of lore... his own words have plot holes. How are you going to call the watchers not magical...? L J's job title isn't even really a job title of someone who writes the lore... it's the person who oversees it and makes sure it doesn't have things like... idk plot holes. Here he is making them I guess though.
Celestials are not spiritual. What makes you think that?
: Where is the constructive criticism? I just called it that cause he has a rune looking thing in his chest. Call it arcane shift or zippy zip for all I care. Would love to know why you think it doesn't suit. Instead of just blindly throwing comments around.
Xerath is high damage artillery mage with laughable mobility. It is his identity. Stop giving him mobility at the first place. Especially a low budget Lissandra E with ridiculous limitations like putting ALL his spells in cooldown after cast? Are you insane? What about 30 seconds cooldown April's Fool joke? I thought there was no need for explanation. You can buff him without giving him mobility. Rework his passive or buff his damage or increase his range. There are countless options without making him like everyone. Not everyone needs mobility.
: Xerath quality of life fix!!!!!!
Stop. Gameplay design is obviously not your thing. Worst idea I ever read about Xerath. You legit have no respect to his identity. And for you know, Xerath is NOT a runic mage.
: As opposed to all of the male human animal hybrids? {{champion:268}} {{champion:120}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:497}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:62}} {{champion:19}}
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Rebonack (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=NyQi2rjx,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-06T14:18:24.676+0000) > > She was a white lioness headed Ascended with skin as smooth as ivory. > > A white lioness with gaze so terrifying that made Axamuk almost puke. Liar. "Enclosed in a golden helm carved to resemble a roaring lion, her face was mercifully hidden, but I could feel her power as she swept her scornful gaze across our line." They never saw her face, only her helmet.
You are kidding right? So Azir wouldn't be an hawk if it wasn't said because we only see his helmet. And it is not like they are gonna make her a mouse when she wore a lion helmet. Her form is clearly lion.
: Who is Axamuk and what kind of problem does he have with lionesses?
Furryphobia shows itself once again. He got what he deserved. {{sticker:sg-syndra}}
: Setaka's ascended animalform?
She was a white lioness headed Ascended with skin as smooth as ivory. A white lioness with gaze so terrifying that made Axamuk almost puke.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=sO0PbUX9,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-03-14T07:59:15.210+0000) > > {{champion:103}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:76}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:5}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:498}} > > And other ambigious ones I did not include. > > Im open to not caucasian/white champions all day but I don't think LoL severely suffers in that regard. That's 13 champions you've listed (Draven is very much white). There are currently 143 champions in the game. That's 9% of the roster that's notably not white. To be frank, that's pretty damn sad considering they've been developing characters for this game for going on 10 years now. I mean, there isn't a woman who's black, and black people have been one of the largest populations of people in the US, where Riot Games is based - and only the 3rd black person in the game was released last year. I would say there's a pretty big issue Riot has with releasing characters who aren't generically white people. And before people start with the bitch fest about "don't make token characters, don't make people who are just INSERTMINORITY just to make them" etc - they've had PLENTY of opportunity to diversify their roster. Making Kai'Sa a woman of color wouldn't have changed her story AT ALL. In fact, it would have made a little more sense for her, since she hails from Shurima, which is predominantly based on the Middle East region (Considering Taliyah IS a woman of color from the region). They did it with Pyke - he's a black male, and his representation isn't relevant to his story or his lore, so I'm having an extremely difficult time understanding why Riot has had such a problem making characters who aren't skinny, young white people in the near 10 years they've been running this game. They're more than capable of giving us a chunky girl or even and elderly woman who fits within the confines of their world and story, yet for some reason they chalk it up to "don't want to do tokenism" "don't want to make them just be this sub-group" when it's clearly a bullshit excuse for them.
Draven isn't white. He is at best caucasian. There is difference between white and caucasian. You should not include non-human and unmasked champions as I have not. I didn't list Zed, Jhin, Shen, Kassadin, Malzahar, Azir even though they are likely not white. I am not saying we shouldn't have not white characters, it is just it is not *that bad* as OP says.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Iceborn,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=LuveknRw,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-28T22:40:16.081+0000) > > I loved the Lissandra question! Curious answer from Scath aswell ;) Eh. I guess. They ruined her lore pretty badly, and making her someone who's done "wondrous" things over the millennia, and who operates as the spiritual leader of her tribe who spread out and operate as healers around the Freljord is a mighty steep fall from being a calculating, planning villainess who had secrets even we as the audience didn't know about. She's one of the major champions I believe should have been left as she was, who's actions and plans for world domination and unleashing her evil gods upon the world made her a compelling villain. Scathelocke, and some of the other people at their Narrative team, don't seem to understand that one dimensional characters are needed for stories to feel more alive. They act as foils to the multidimensional characters, and help us understand characters like Ashe better because we see all the parts of Ashe, as compared to the evil and villainy we saw in someone like Lissandra. Making her tragic and troubled is not good for her character arc, and doesn't make us support her more. Plus, people like fucking evil people. That's why people like Disney villains so much, not because they're complicated or deep, but because they're extravagantly evil. Dolores Umbridge in Harry Potter is another perfect example. She's a fucking heinous human being, but she's one of those villains you LOVE to hate because of just how senseless wicked she is. You really rooted for Harry to beat her and exact revenge, and that made her so much more of a satisfying villain because of the intense desire you had to see revenge set upon her. Lissandra should have been built to be a villain like this, and it's a shame, because they graywashed her and all of the evil in this game to make them more sympathetic to the audience. That's not fun. That doesn't make the villains interesting. It's like not a single person with narrative knows or understands how to write mythic stories or actual legendary tales - which is ironic, considering the game's title. They want so desperately to write everything like it's a Wikipedia entry, and less like it's an actual tale about an epic character.
Speak for yourself. I like new Lissandra more. Just because the idea you liked better no more exist, it doesn't mean it is inferior. If you want pure evil one dimensional characters you have Thresh, Nocturne, Shaco, Tahm Kench, Rhaast, Mordekaiser and many others. Lissandra is still pretty evil, you are just too biased to see it.
Volcanuz (OCE)
: Woo hoo 14 characters out of how many? Oh 143. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
{{champion:266}} {{champion:12}} {{champion:32}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:432}} {{champion:53}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:42}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:9}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:3}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:120}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:427}}{{champion:24}} {{champion:202}} {{champion:429}} {{champion:30}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:203}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:127}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:57}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:111}} {{champion:56}} {{champion:516}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:33}} {{champion:421}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:68}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:98}} {{champion:102}} {{champion:72}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:29}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:161}} {{champion:112}} {{champion:106}} {{champion:19}} {{champion:62}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:154}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:115}} Half of champions are either non-human or unmasked. Are you hardtrying to be dumb?
zounet (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cfK5IEZu,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-16T19:43:23.759+0000) > > IIRC, voidborns have resistant against the Void, but for long, nothing stands against the Void. You just get erased eventually. No matter what you are, aspect, ascended, celestial being, spirit god, demon. You exist no more. > > Look Setaka, she was fighting against the Void, but even legendary Warrior Queen of the Ascended Host struggles like a fly on the web. And as voidborns are runeterran material beings, they would be erased too if they stay for too long. but if the void corrupts voidborns, why do they stay near voidcracks?
Who knows. Maybe they are protecting them from rifts' potential enemies like the Ascended (which it is in their code right now), or they are looking for their masters, or that since void energy is kinda their "life source" they find it relatable.
zounet (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cfK5IEZu,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-16T19:43:23.759+0000) > > IIRC, voidborns have resistant against the Void, but for long, nothing stands against the Void. You just get erased eventually. No matter what you are, aspect, ascended, celestial being, spirit god, demon. You exist no more. > > Look Setaka, she was fighting against the Void, but even legendary Warrior Queen of the Ascended Host struggles like a fly on the web. And as voidborns are runeterran material beings, they would be erased too if they stay for too long. but a rioter has confirmed that kai'sa goes into the true void when she uses her ult
That's what I am talking about. *Briefly*. Kai'Sa always gets fully covered by her voidborn skin before using her ultimate. Her skin is voidborn. It can handle brief encounter with the Void. But tbh, we don't if her ultimate is canon or not, and it was just Reav3, producer, not a writer.
zounet (EUW)
: Can voidborns go into the "true" void?
IIRC, voidborns have resistant against the Void, but for long, nothing stands against the Void. You just get erased eventually. No matter what you are, aspect, ascended, celestial being, spirit god, demon. You exist no more. Look Setaka, she was fighting against the Void, but even legendary Warrior Queen of the Ascended Host struggles like a fly on the web. And as voidborns are runeterran material beings, they would be erased too if they stay for too long.
Volcanuz (OCE)
: Because its a world wide game? Loved by all ethnicity and i would love to see more styles they can pull out which create cool characters of different background ascetics. It makes me confused is all, I remember when Taric was a black dude, then he got a VFX and became white. It just seems weird is all. I just want more variety how is this a bad thing.
{{champion:103}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:76}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:5}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:498}} And other ambigious ones I did not include. Im open to not caucasian/white champions all day but I don't think LoL severely suffers in that regard.
Terozu (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=89xO9qch,comment-id=000d000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-04T18:03:22.348+0000) > > Illaoi isnt enough. You would need Nagakabouros herself to release their soul. And it is a *maybe*. Illaoi's test of spirit could release their soul temporarily. Then Illaoi would have to fight the Darkin's soul. Which is powerful by itself. Baically yes if illaoi became strong enough she could kill the darkin weapons permanantly.
Why do you think Illaoi would have such power over the energy of one thousand dead suns? Even Nagakabouros was a maybe in Aatrox AMA, yet Illaoi would be the solution. That's what Aatrox would want, but Illaoi isn't that powerful. The Void can tho.
Terozu (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=89xO9qch,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2019-03-04T17:26:58.281+0000) > > The Darkin are basically corrupted Ascended though, and we see quite a few Ascended die in the lore. The Darkin that are currently alive are bound to their weapons and which as far as we know are indestructible. The only known way to actually kill a Darkin without its soul retreating to the weapon is to remove the sould from the weapon and destroy the soul. Only Illaoi is able to do that to our knowledge. Keep in mind Myisha's spell was said to only work once due to needing an element of surprise.
Illaoi isnt enough. You would need Nagakabouros herself to release their soul. And it is a *maybe*.
: > [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=89xO9qch,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-03-04T17:25:55.883+0000)Currently the only known method of permanently killing a Darkin is Illaoi. Assuming she could defear one The Darkin are basically corrupted Ascended though, and we see quite a few Ascended die in the lore.
Darkins are legit immortals actually. They are cursed with endless oblivion. Only Nagakabouros might end them. There is no way to destroy a darkin weapon so far. Not even Aurelion Sol.
Jaspers (EUW)
: And Galio will step on him reducing him to a corpse with no magical power to create a new form. Just a sword with a soul in it.
Sion fought against Galio and survived, Aatrox obviously has more than this since he can *kill* spirit gods. Darkin Blade breaks the cycle of reincarnation and imprisons the souls. It is a weapon of incredible power, not your average lightsaber.
Jaspers (EUW)
: Sure he has power, not denying that, but he's still confined to his weapon. Remove whatever entanglement he has between his current walking corpse and the sword and he's just a soul trapped in a sword again. As an Ascended or Darkin before entrapment, I could see him taking on armies.
He can bring the sword whenever he wants, see the cinematic. You can't casually take the sword and defeat him. As I said, it is not me saying he can take armies. It is writers. He consumes every person he kills and becomes 50 meters. https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/011/547/712/large/victor-maury-aatroxthumbnails-victormaury.jpg?1530132051 See his concept arts. He is huge in all of them.
Jaspers (EUW)
: You are overestimating them. They aren't Ascended, they are humans with malformed bodies possessed by the soul of a once great being. In reality only 1 is like that, one isn't in control of anything and the other in turmoil.
It isn't my words. That's what Scathlocke said. He can take Noxus armies alone *with Darius and Trifarian Legion*. In Aatrox AMA Odin said he is still capable of killing demigods. He is a badass that can kill spirit gods as both ascended and darkin. They are different sure but not exactly inferior to their Ascended form. They just need time.
: Okay, let me rephrase. Diana could defeat a Darkin or two, along with a few other beings who could easily too. So she's not at all special in that area of expertise despite your attempts to hype it up as so. But your argument is to stop all Darkin, from what kind of worldly threat they might pose I have no clue. A single Darkin is destructive, but the very few remaining have been so neutered, that what? They kill a few people. Pfft. Nothing different from what warring countries have been doing amongst themselves even immediately after the Darkin War.
They kill a few people? Darius likely cannot defeat Aatrox with trifarian legion behind him with many warhosts of Noxus. In other say Aatrox is greater than a region. Imagine 5 of them together. Leave Targon behind and they conqueor world again. You are really underestimating them.
: Ashe: Warmother. Issue 3 Comixology and Marvel extended editions.
Don't forget Shurima okay.:( Because I believe Fall of Shurima pictured in issues could be really cool. Or Xerath's search on Ascension. Or darkins. Or a direct sequel of Bloodline.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TmQ0U2Vy,comment-id=0005000000010000,timestamp=2019-02-21T08:22:33.678+0000) > > Merciful, my ass. A few times don't mean anything. A "few times" *does* mean anything. You can only say someone is merciless, if they have completely refused to show mercy at any given moment. Which Kayle didn't. Besides, it's not just that she tried to redeem others "a few times", she actually felt remorse and almost shame for what she has to do in her line of work. So much so that she hid herself behind her armor and deliberately hides her face away on purpose. And Riot kept almost *none* of this in her new lore, where she is confident and prideful and shows her face for all to see. > > She says in her VO she might forgive you if you choose path of the holy light too. Do you think she is merciful now too? The point isn't whether or not she's merciful in-game. The point is they completely removed her being merciful in the lore. > Do you even know what is merciful? merciful /ˈməːsɪfʊl,ˈməːsɪf(ə)l/ adjective showing or exercising mercy. Which Kayle very much did.
We haven't seen much about Kayle in lore. Let's wait for her colot text and possible short story.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TmQ0U2Vy,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-02-20T19:35:48.751+0000) > > What made you expect Kayle to be merciful judgement upon the evil when she wasn't like that even in her old lore? Because she *was* merciful in her old lore. I get the impression that you didn't even read it.
Merciful, my ass. A few times don't mean anything. She says in her VO she might forgive you if you choose path of the holy light too. Do you think she is merciful now too? Do you even know what is merciful?
Rioter Comments
: I have not high hopes considering how they treated similar cases and especially anything related to Demacia. Edit: I'll be the first to apologize if the future lore shows that I was mistaken though.
Even if Kayle gonna keep what she is, I think Morgana will be darker than what we expect.
: Because there is a really well defined difference in being zealous yet just and being a rampaging flame of terror that won't spare anything in her wake. I expected the new lore to bring what Riot is proud of: "non 2-dimensional characters" and we got Morgana being the entirely good girl and Kayle being the bad girl.
You haven't seen anything. You are overreacting. At least wait for color stories and VOs...
: So you are saying that it's fine to treat Kayle like a tool to accuse the christian church of their ancient wrong doings? Can't wait for Riot to write about radical islam treating women like garbage, and China exploiting their ppl under the communist regime then.
No. More like why are people so surprised? What made you expect Kayle to be merciful judgement upon the evil when she wasn't like that even in her old lore? And that angels are rarely representated as perfect goodness of the divine sky in media? It is more of Morgana problem than Kayle. If you are gonna complain, Morgana is a better choice IMO.
: For my amusement, you got any actual historical accounts of the witch trial by fire? Or are you just propagating myths you've heard and never sought to verify them? Because, amusingly, the church condemned trial by ordeal pretty much immediately, and the practice itself actually harkens back to pre-Christian practices in Northern Europe. Which is of course, not to say it never happened. But, as far I know the church never sanctioned a test by fire. Though, some officials did use it, usually when it became part of the common laws of the land. The tension between common law, church law, and political law was huge in the medieval period.
I did search punishments of church for perversity, especially for knights shown homosexual behaviors. Which according to what I read, they don't end pretty. Sure "test" could be myth tho, cannot support that. It still doesn't change anything. Church was harsh, extreme and merciless in dark age.
Rebonack (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TmQ0U2Vy,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-02-20T17:48:45.878+0000) > > Nice headcanon. I appreciate that. Exactly what she was in old lore. Wait. She did not have lore. Too bad. > > What makes you think she was merciful? "In her quest for victory, she sometimes would try to lift the wicked up from their morass of evil, but more than often she instead purged those she herself deemed beyond redemption." Right there. Offering the opportunity for redemption is a good act. She didn't do it that often, which pings her far more toward Lawful than toward Good. She wasn't wholly without mercy. It's hard to judge, though, since we never got any details on what the evil or wickedness Kayle and her allies were fighting against consisted of. Was the evil they committed eating with their left hand? Or was it sacrificing others to gain dark magic? Maybe something in between? In the new lore there's no hint of mercy. Mercy is completely external to her, relegated wholly to her sister. So she's been pushed from a character that ranged between Lawful Neutral and Lawful Good to a character that ranges between Lawful Neutral and Lawful Evil. What's more, combating evil isn't anywhere on her radar any longer. She's only interested in punishing those who violate the law. That, again, is a pretty significant change. > History of a religion *to show* people good outside can be extremists inside. And that extremists did not have show mercy like Kayle. Extremists show mercy all the time; depends on which extremists we're talking about. I suggest you look into the history of the Anabaptist movement in Europe for an accurate picture of what radical Christianity looks like.
She let Morgana take care of the guilty and redempt them: > But there was one person she softened her judgment toward. To the dismay of her followers, Kayle allowed Morgana to rehabilitate wrongdoers who appeared humble enough to admit their guilt. Kayle’s protege, Ronas, was the most disapproving of all—he swore to do what Kayle would not, and attempted to imprison Morgana. And I know how enginization burnt "witches" before any evidence, and let the fire judge them. If they burn, they are not witch, if they don't burn, they are. All burnt.
Rebonack (NA)
: Oh lordy. So the depiction of Kayle as a genocidal zealot, as opposed to a zealot who tries to offer mercy when the chance arises, is okay because it echoes your dubious understanding of a religion's history?
> as opposed to a zealot who tries to offer mercy when the chance arises... Nice headcanon. I appreciate that. Exactly what she was in old lore. Wait. She did not have lore. Too bad. What makes you think she was merciful? History of a religion *to show* people good outside can be extremists inside. And that extremists did not have show mercy like Kayle.
Rioter Comments
: Are Baccai equally as strong as normal Ascended beings?
Baccai are failures of the Ascension. They are weak, malformed, unfunctional, short lived. They are unworthy to become champions according to Dinopawz. That shows how pathetic they are compare to the Ascended.
: Where did you get the stuff about difference in ascendance? From what i could tell there are only 2 categories with Xerath being a mutation of one of them. Baccai, the failed and twisted ones, and the proper ascended. Now Xerath is by defintition a baccai, but he used his own magic to size the power for himself even when it meant sundering his own body and becoming more of a spirit. The main reason i think were making Ta'anari have problems was the fact that he had taken too much damage, he had apparently taken multiple hits so bad that his regeneration could not handle them fully, instead leaving him alive but partly crippled. But its from here that i am a bit uncertain, because in runeterra there is a difference in ordinary persons lifespan vs the lifespan of a magic user. If this difference applies to the ascended as well then Nasus being magically gifted is simply more long lived than his muscle headed and physically specialized kin......but he would still age in time and quite frankly it is the only explanation that makes any sense for him having weakened so drastically, its far beyond the scope of "demoralized".
[Ascension isn't a perfect process. Some were made who were 100% compatible (or as near as makes no difference) with the process and became the Nasus types, others were failures and became the Baccai types. Most were somewhere in the middle, divine and super powerful, but not perfect and not designed to live forever. I suspect the aspect of Twilight figures that Nasus was successful enough not to need eradication (or maybe she knew of some part he had yet to play in the world...)](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8una0m/comment/e1i6g8l) That's Graham's categorizing. I added Xerath as extra because it is clear he is overloaded Ascended than underloaded Ascended aka Baccai. And it is said many times by rioters and the story itself Xerath is an Ascended being than a Baccai. Ta'anari couldn't regenerate a hit on his spine while Nasus could heal his entirely broken spine completely. That's one of the diffedences between an average ascended and an high tier ascended. All Ascended are magical, they are not only "muscle headed".
: Ah right, forgot he actually fought nasus and renekton while still bound by the coffin parts, somehow got the idea that he fought the two of them but was tossed into the coffin midway but as it wasnt able to properly hold him they then dragged him down to and tried to trap him in that special magic chamber but had to sacrifice renekton for it. However i doubt bad morale is enough to describe his problem, there was a line going like this : >But it wasn’t enough. It could never be enough. The last time they had fought, Nasus and Renekton had been at the height of their powers. Now Nasus was a shadow of his former glory, and Xerath’s power had been growing for centuries. You´re telling those words describe a guy currently having bad morale? Furthermore there was a line in .....i think it was a text describing the ascended in general? Stating that while greatly empowered the ascended can still be killed and they are not timeless but capable of living for thousands of years. How old is Nasus again? Because that entire part about being a shadow of himself to me really feels like he´s having age cramps.
Yeah, most of the Ascended age and get weaker due to oldness, but except the best ones. Ascended are in 3 categories. If you include Xerath, if is 4. First is Baccai. Underascended human. They are the weakest but still rare. Most of unworthy humans die rather than become a Baccai. Second is your average Ascended. Powerful, mighty and carries cosmic power relatively well, but still not designed to live forever. They are the vast majority of all Ascended. Third is your perfect/nearly perfect matched Ascended. Most of our Ascended champions are like this, far more powerful than any average Ascended, extremely hard to kill and are functionally immortal. They don't age. Imprisoned darkins were under that category, there wasn't much for mortals to kill them so they trapped them. Now they are even harder to kill. They are incredibly rare. And then there is overascended ones like Xerath. So far Xerath is the only one. He stayed at the ritual so much, his flesh and bones got obliterated by the cosmic power he merged with. He drained Sun Disc and at raw power carries much more energy than any Ascended ever known. So yes, Nasus doesn't age. Ta'anari showed aging symptoms in Twilight of the Gods and Nasus doesn't show any of them. Nasus is at least over 3500+, due to Fall of Shurima being about 3000 years ago and he fighting at side of Setaka for 500 years.
: Or... a Vastaya. They can be immortal beings too you know...
: Did you even read that story? Its explicitly stated, at least a few times, crystal clearly, that Nasus is SUFFERING FROM OLD AGE ,meanwhile Xerath has powered up a noticeable lot. Still not strong enough to break the coffin-seal but still. Nasus is basically weak and decrepit, nowhere nearly as powerful as he used to be, its like putting a 70 years old warrior up to fight a 40 years old one, doesnt matter if the elder one has a massive advantage in experience because the younger one can just brute force him down. Age is no joke and the ascended are long lived, not immortal. You might have had a point, if it wasnt for the fact that Xerath went to that city in the first place to kill sivir, and he failed because taliyah grabbed her and ran away. Explain to me, if Xerath is so godly why couldnt he catch Sivir and taliyah? He could just have instagibbed nasus then sent out one of those "serious" energy blasts to kill her from miles away thus accomplishing his goal. But he didnt, rather he got so busy with Nasus that taliyah was able to escape outside his Zone carrying sivir and she even broke his final attack that was aimed at killing the remaining city people. Evidently Xerath is under some severe limitations when it comes to range or he is busy guilt tripping very hard and cant decide if he actually wants to kill Sivir or not.
Yeah I did, stop asking stupid questions thank you. And no, you are misrembering why is Nasus a shadow of former himself. It wasn't because of old age but burden of his brother and loneliness for eons. He was desperately alone, walking the desert for years. It wasn't old age, if it was Renekton wouldn't be stronger than ever. It might take one moment for Nasus to gain his powers back. Still, that doesn't matter. Nasus was afraid of facing Xerath anyway. Even former himself with Renekton couldn't defeat him and he clearly says that in Bloodline. MOST of ascended are long lived, high tiers like Nasus are functionally immortal. You forget Nasus gave Sivir and Taliyah a talisman to hide them from Xerath's vision. Not for long, but enough for Nasus to find them. Xerath could sense Sivir from miles away and knew where she is. He knew, and he was super close to find her. They could be 15 minutes away from death if Nasus did not have the talisman.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=6Vd9q0tf,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-04T21:29:17.665+0000) > > We don't know what happened between Xerath and Taliyah, but it is obvious Xerath left them behind intentionally. Because there is other way. No way Taliyah can survive against a stubborn Xerath that made her death his goal. > > And for the Climb... It is obvious it is not canon and wasn't made with narrative since it contradicts with power of Xerath in lore. He was able to turn rocks to lava instantly and burn bodies like nothing in a heartbeat in actual lore. > > Same with Lucian dashing at sound speed from place to place. It is glorified gameplay with weak story background. You seriously underestimate the mortals of runeterra a bit. Xin zhao legit killed .....200+ opponents on his own, everyone was looking to kill him and him only, Irelia tossed like 8 grown men in fullplate armors with heavy weapons and shields into the air like nothing, if they can pull this stuff who says lucian cant dash around a bit? And Xerath is currently still stuck with the partial sarcophagus seal, the weakening might just be potent enough that a champion level mage can hold him off for a few minutes, or perhaps it greatly limits his effective range. And vaporizing a man? Any decent archmage with lightning or fire skills should be able to easily do so, its not much of a feat but it was pretty neat that he was able to directly collapse a giant stone temple inwards by pulling some magic chains. Finally Xeraths final attack in that scenario was to rise into the air and release a giant barrage of energy blasts down on the city, but Taliyah created domes of stone to shield the survivors, evidently his more widespread AOE doesnt carry a great deal of power although his focused blasts are respectable. However i am honestly unsure if Xerath can even be killed without breaking the seal first, nasus did apparently hit him which caused pain but didnt do any noticeable damage at all. So all in all current Xerath is powerful definitely but he isnt at a level where he can just wipe champion level mages with a sneeze.
No. I know how powerful Taliyah is, and other mortal mages of LoL. I am well aware of it. But you and appearently people downvoted me don't know how powerful Xerath is and how a mortal teenager mage has 0 chance against him in a neutral territory. Look. 4000+ years high tier Ascended Scholar of Shurima couldn't last minutes against Xerath when he wasn't even serious. He wasn't even trying to kill him. Xerath's ascended form at his weakest (sealed + new powers and body to learn to control how) couldn't be defeated 2 legendary ascended at their prime. Xerath is more powerful than ever now and you are telling me Taliyah can survive against him when he aims to destroy her to nothingness? Xerath can lift her into air and smash her like an insect, break her neck, decapitate her, try to mind control her, stabilize her with telekinesis and bombard her with arcanopulse, pull her into his arcane body etc. Taliyah cannot survive any realistic fight with what Xerath has shown so far. He turns a human to ashes completely in a heartbeat just because he pulled him into his body. Turn rocks to lava instantly. She can survive seconds... Maybe minutes. But hours? Xerath obviously did not try to kill her, I don't know why. If he did, she would be dead.
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=6Vd9q0tf,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-04T18:57:38.454+0000) > > Xerath drained the entire Sun Disc and almost 1 shoted Nasus while not trying to kill him... he has way more raw power than Syndra. Veigar hasn't shown raw power enough to put him on Syndra tier. So with all that power why´d he fail to just zap Taliyah? Multiple times? Nasus walked up to him, aged,weakened and did indeed get smacked down but Taliyah somehow raised a earth wall capable of holding xerath of for a few minutes while she, sivir and Nasus ran away, And in the "the climb" video we also see him trying to blast her and still failing. ' Thus i somehow get the idea that if someone were to do the equivalent of a meteor slam at him he wouldnt be unaffected at all, and Syndra is probably the only magic user in runeterra shown to be able to do such a thing aside from Aurelion&zoe who can toss literal stars. Such a giant body of mass falling with some speed from a tremendous attitude already a complete natural disaster, add some magic in to boost the effects and its a full blown calamity that could threaten any worldbound being. Of course Xerath is currently weakened, at his peak before being sealed he was capable of holding back two apex level ascended in their prime like Nasus and Renekton and if he still was as such i think he´d beat Syndra pretty easily. But, with evidence that Taliyah could shield him away with mere hardended rocks and the fact that Synda isnt chained down i think they are about equal in raw power as of currently. If Xerath was released? He´d be ahead pretty easily. If Syndra got past her......emo? period and got some magic teachings to help her develop? She might just naturally ascend the heavens on her own if levitating an island of choice for as long as she pleases is the starting point......without any help from a Targonian artifact.
We don't know what happened between Xerath and Taliyah, but it is obvious Xerath left them behind intentionally. Because there is other way. No way Taliyah can survive against a stubborn Xerath that made her death his goal. And for the Climb... It is obvious it is not canon and wasn't made with narrative since it contradicts with power of Xerath in lore. He was able to turn rocks to lava instantly and burn bodies like nothing in a heartbeat in actual lore. Same with Lucian dashing at sound speed from place to place. It is glorified gameplay with weak story background.
: If your champions lore were to end permanently...
Xerath going in the celestial realm, leaving Shurima to Azir.
Gilgayu (NA)
: Who is your favorite champion?
{{champion:101}} A champion built on ironies. All things he dared to do were for freedom, directly and indirectly, changed him to what he loathed for his entire life. Sparkles fueled by hatred, burned his humanity away. He became what he would destroy. A tyrant over everyone, but even worse than what he ever met. He dreamed freedom, so he obliterated his still loving best friend in that regard. He made it sure Shurima would collapse, so he could get free. Sadly (more like fortunately), he is less free than ever. Sarcophagus and Tomb of the Emperors, 2 imprisoments in a row made him even more lost. Ambition, hatred, loneliness, power, isolation consumed him entirely. He is insane. He needs help desperately. In his deep soul, he probably knows that.
: It’s showed in a Darius comic that Noxus offers also a peaceful annexation to their enemies. Demacia, on the other side, is just on the isolationist path which means also no help granted to invaded territories and allies.
Peaciful offer You did not accept? A threat You still did not accept? Unleash of full might of Noxus and kill you all horribly, rape your women and take heads off of your men. Angels walking on Runeterra, how merciful they are. Like their peaciful offer has nothing to do with "easy conquer with no effort". Sure they give a damn about their enemies, not because it is a huge benefical option. Totally not selfish.
: That's hardly a redeeming factor though. It's like saying that a killer is a good guy because he doesn't make them suffer much.
Noxus is an open minded, accepting country, though is neutralized by its being a war lover. And they are pretty merciless against their enemies, having fun with them etc. They are even violent against their own, look at Swain killing his captain because he is a coward. Demacia is close minded, oppressing country, quite phobic in many ways, but also is against war. They are just protecting themselves. Not going and murdering anyone against them. Sure being oppressing is bad, but so is being war thirsty. And Demacia seems more harsh in laws, which means murder rate is lesser than Noxus'. Cassiopeia, Vladimir, LeBlanc, Swain, Darius, Elise, LeBlanc, Draven(possibly ?). All killed someone their own citizen, compare to demacian champions. So yes both have their pros and cons. Demacia is not complete evil. (Also, when a country is not open to war idea, how can you create a bad side to neutralize its alignment? It will be about laws and citizens ofc.)
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