zounet (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cfK5IEZu,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-16T19:43:23.759+0000) > > IIRC, voidborns have resistant against the Void, but for long, nothing stands against the Void. You just get erased eventually. No matter what you are, aspect, ascended, celestial being, spirit god, demon. You exist no more. > > Look Setaka, she was fighting against the Void, but even legendary Warrior Queen of the Ascended Host struggles like a fly on the web. And as voidborns are runeterran material beings, they would be erased too if they stay for too long. but if the void corrupts voidborns, why do they stay near voidcracks?
Who knows. Maybe they are protecting them from rifts' potential enemies like the Ascended (which it is in their code right now), or they are looking for their masters, or that since void energy is kinda their "life source" they find it relatable.
zounet (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cfK5IEZu,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-16T19:43:23.759+0000) > > IIRC, voidborns have resistant against the Void, but for long, nothing stands against the Void. You just get erased eventually. No matter what you are, aspect, ascended, celestial being, spirit god, demon. You exist no more. > > Look Setaka, she was fighting against the Void, but even legendary Warrior Queen of the Ascended Host struggles like a fly on the web. And as voidborns are runeterran material beings, they would be erased too if they stay for too long. but a rioter has confirmed that kai'sa goes into the true void when she uses her ult
That's what I am talking about. *Briefly*. Kai'Sa always gets fully covered by her voidborn skin before using her ultimate. Her skin is voidborn. It can handle brief encounter with the Void. But tbh, we don't if her ultimate is canon or not, and it was just Reav3, producer, not a writer.
zounet (EUW)
: Can voidborns go into the "true" void?
IIRC, voidborns have resistant against the Void, but for long, nothing stands against the Void. You just get erased eventually. No matter what you are, aspect, ascended, celestial being, spirit god, demon. You exist no more. Look Setaka, she was fighting against the Void, but even legendary Warrior Queen of the Ascended Host struggles like a fly on the web. And as voidborns are runeterran material beings, they would be erased too if they stay for too long.
Volcanuz (OCE)
: Because its a world wide game? Loved by all ethnicity and i would love to see more styles they can pull out which create cool characters of different background ascetics. It makes me confused is all, I remember when Taric was a black dude, then he got a VFX and became white. It just seems weird is all. I just want more variety how is this a bad thing.
{{champion:103}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:76}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:5}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:498}} And other ambigious ones I did not include. Im open to not caucasian/white champions all day but I don't think LoL severely suffers in that regard.
Terozu (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=89xO9qch,comment-id=000d000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-04T18:03:22.348+0000) > > Illaoi isnt enough. You would need Nagakabouros herself to release their soul. And it is a *maybe*. Illaoi's test of spirit could release their soul temporarily. Then Illaoi would have to fight the Darkin's soul. Which is powerful by itself. Baically yes if illaoi became strong enough she could kill the darkin weapons permanantly.
Why do you think Illaoi would have such power over the energy of one thousand dead suns? Even Nagakabouros was a maybe in Aatrox AMA, yet Illaoi would be the solution. That's what Aatrox would want, but Illaoi isn't that powerful. The Void can tho.
Terozu (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=89xO9qch,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2019-03-04T17:26:58.281+0000) > > The Darkin are basically corrupted Ascended though, and we see quite a few Ascended die in the lore. The Darkin that are currently alive are bound to their weapons and which as far as we know are indestructible. The only known way to actually kill a Darkin without its soul retreating to the weapon is to remove the sould from the weapon and destroy the soul. Only Illaoi is able to do that to our knowledge. Keep in mind Myisha's spell was said to only work once due to needing an element of surprise.
Illaoi isnt enough. You would need Nagakabouros herself to release their soul. And it is a *maybe*.
: > [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=89xO9qch,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-03-04T17:25:55.883+0000)Currently the only known method of permanently killing a Darkin is Illaoi. Assuming she could defear one The Darkin are basically corrupted Ascended though, and we see quite a few Ascended die in the lore.
Darkins are legit immortals actually. They are cursed with endless oblivion. Only Nagakabouros might end them. There is no way to destroy a darkin weapon so far. Not even Aurelion Sol.
Jaspers (EUW)
: And Galio will step on him reducing him to a corpse with no magical power to create a new form. Just a sword with a soul in it.
Sion fought against Galio and survived, Aatrox obviously has more than this since he can *kill* spirit gods. Darkin Blade breaks the cycle of reincarnation and imprisons the souls. It is a weapon of incredible power, not your average lightsaber.
Jaspers (EUW)
: Sure he has power, not denying that, but he's still confined to his weapon. Remove whatever entanglement he has between his current walking corpse and the sword and he's just a soul trapped in a sword again. As an Ascended or Darkin before entrapment, I could see him taking on armies.
He can bring the sword whenever he wants, see the cinematic. You can't casually take the sword and defeat him. As I said, it is not me saying he can take armies. It is writers. He consumes every person he kills and becomes 50 meters. https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/011/547/712/large/victor-maury-aatroxthumbnails-victormaury.jpg?1530132051 See his concept arts. He is huge in all of them.
Jaspers (EUW)
: You are overestimating them. They aren't Ascended, they are humans with malformed bodies possessed by the soul of a once great being. In reality only 1 is like that, one isn't in control of anything and the other in turmoil.
It isn't my words. That's what Scathlocke said. He can take Noxus armies alone *with Darius and Trifarian Legion*. In Aatrox AMA Odin said he is still capable of killing demigods. He is a badass that can kill spirit gods as both ascended and darkin. They are different sure but not exactly inferior to their Ascended form. They just need time.
: Okay, let me rephrase. Diana could defeat a Darkin or two, along with a few other beings who could easily too. So she's not at all special in that area of expertise despite your attempts to hype it up as so. But your argument is to stop all Darkin, from what kind of worldly threat they might pose I have no clue. A single Darkin is destructive, but the very few remaining have been so neutered, that what? They kill a few people. Pfft. Nothing different from what warring countries have been doing amongst themselves even immediately after the Darkin War.
They kill a few people? Darius likely cannot defeat Aatrox with trifarian legion behind him with many warhosts of Noxus. In other say Aatrox is greater than a region. Imagine 5 of them together. Leave Targon behind and they conqueor world again. You are really underestimating them.
: Ashe: Warmother. Issue 3 Comixology and Marvel extended editions.
Don't forget Shurima okay.:( Because I believe Fall of Shurima pictured in issues could be really cool. Or Xerath's search on Ascension. Or darkins. Or a direct sequel of Bloodline.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TmQ0U2Vy,comment-id=0005000000010000,timestamp=2019-02-21T08:22:33.678+0000) > > Merciful, my ass. A few times don't mean anything. A "few times" *does* mean anything. You can only say someone is merciless, if they have completely refused to show mercy at any given moment. Which Kayle didn't. Besides, it's not just that she tried to redeem others "a few times", she actually felt remorse and almost shame for what she has to do in her line of work. So much so that she hid herself behind her armor and deliberately hides her face away on purpose. And Riot kept almost *none* of this in her new lore, where she is confident and prideful and shows her face for all to see. > > She says in her VO she might forgive you if you choose path of the holy light too. Do you think she is merciful now too? The point isn't whether or not she's merciful in-game. The point is they completely removed her being merciful in the lore. > Do you even know what is merciful? merciful /ˈməːsɪfʊl,ˈməːsɪf(ə)l/ adjective showing or exercising mercy. Which Kayle very much did.
We haven't seen much about Kayle in lore. Let's wait for her colot text and possible short story.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TmQ0U2Vy,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-02-20T19:35:48.751+0000) > > What made you expect Kayle to be merciful judgement upon the evil when she wasn't like that even in her old lore? Because she *was* merciful in her old lore. I get the impression that you didn't even read it.
Merciful, my ass. A few times don't mean anything. She says in her VO she might forgive you if you choose path of the holy light too. Do you think she is merciful now too? Do you even know what is merciful?
Rioter Comments
: I have not high hopes considering how they treated similar cases and especially anything related to Demacia. Edit: I'll be the first to apologize if the future lore shows that I was mistaken though.
Even if Kayle gonna keep what she is, I think Morgana will be darker than what we expect.
: Because there is a really well defined difference in being zealous yet just and being a rampaging flame of terror that won't spare anything in her wake. I expected the new lore to bring what Riot is proud of: "non 2-dimensional characters" and we got Morgana being the entirely good girl and Kayle being the bad girl.
You haven't seen anything. You are overreacting. At least wait for color stories and VOs...
: So you are saying that it's fine to treat Kayle like a tool to accuse the christian church of their ancient wrong doings? Can't wait for Riot to write about radical islam treating women like garbage, and China exploiting their ppl under the communist regime then.
No. More like why are people so surprised? What made you expect Kayle to be merciful judgement upon the evil when she wasn't like that even in her old lore? And that angels are rarely representated as perfect goodness of the divine sky in media? It is more of Morgana problem than Kayle. If you are gonna complain, Morgana is a better choice IMO.
: For my amusement, you got any actual historical accounts of the witch trial by fire? Or are you just propagating myths you've heard and never sought to verify them? Because, amusingly, the church condemned trial by ordeal pretty much immediately, and the practice itself actually harkens back to pre-Christian practices in Northern Europe. Which is of course, not to say it never happened. But, as far I know the church never sanctioned a test by fire. Though, some officials did use it, usually when it became part of the common laws of the land. The tension between common law, church law, and political law was huge in the medieval period.
I did search punishments of church for perversity, especially for knights shown homosexual behaviors. Which according to what I read, they don't end pretty. Sure "test" could be myth tho, cannot support that. It still doesn't change anything. Church was harsh, extreme and merciless in dark age.
Rebonack (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TmQ0U2Vy,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-02-20T17:48:45.878+0000) > > Nice headcanon. I appreciate that. Exactly what she was in old lore. Wait. She did not have lore. Too bad. > > What makes you think she was merciful? "In her quest for victory, she sometimes would try to lift the wicked up from their morass of evil, but more than often she instead purged those she herself deemed beyond redemption." Right there. Offering the opportunity for redemption is a good act. She didn't do it that often, which pings her far more toward Lawful than toward Good. She wasn't wholly without mercy. It's hard to judge, though, since we never got any details on what the evil or wickedness Kayle and her allies were fighting against consisted of. Was the evil they committed eating with their left hand? Or was it sacrificing others to gain dark magic? Maybe something in between? In the new lore there's no hint of mercy. Mercy is completely external to her, relegated wholly to her sister. So she's been pushed from a character that ranged between Lawful Neutral and Lawful Good to a character that ranges between Lawful Neutral and Lawful Evil. What's more, combating evil isn't anywhere on her radar any longer. She's only interested in punishing those who violate the law. That, again, is a pretty significant change. > History of a religion *to show* people good outside can be extremists inside. And that extremists did not have show mercy like Kayle. Extremists show mercy all the time; depends on which extremists we're talking about. I suggest you look into the history of the Anabaptist movement in Europe for an accurate picture of what radical Christianity looks like.
She let Morgana take care of the guilty and redempt them: > But there was one person she softened her judgment toward. To the dismay of her followers, Kayle allowed Morgana to rehabilitate wrongdoers who appeared humble enough to admit their guilt. Kayle’s protege, Ronas, was the most disapproving of all—he swore to do what Kayle would not, and attempted to imprison Morgana. And I know how enginization burnt "witches" before any evidence, and let the fire judge them. If they burn, they are not witch, if they don't burn, they are. All burnt.
Rebonack (NA)
: Oh lordy. So the depiction of Kayle as a genocidal zealot, as opposed to a zealot who tries to offer mercy when the chance arises, is okay because it echoes your dubious understanding of a religion's history?
> as opposed to a zealot who tries to offer mercy when the chance arises... Nice headcanon. I appreciate that. Exactly what she was in old lore. Wait. She did not have lore. Too bad. What makes you think she was merciful? History of a religion *to show* people good outside can be extremists inside. And that extremists did not have show mercy like Kayle.
Rioter Comments
: Are Baccai equally as strong as normal Ascended beings?
Baccai are failures of the Ascension. They are weak, malformed, unfunctional, short lived. They are unworthy to become champions according to Dinopawz. That shows how pathetic they are compare to the Ascended.
: Where did you get the stuff about difference in ascendance? From what i could tell there are only 2 categories with Xerath being a mutation of one of them. Baccai, the failed and twisted ones, and the proper ascended. Now Xerath is by defintition a baccai, but he used his own magic to size the power for himself even when it meant sundering his own body and becoming more of a spirit. The main reason i think were making Ta'anari have problems was the fact that he had taken too much damage, he had apparently taken multiple hits so bad that his regeneration could not handle them fully, instead leaving him alive but partly crippled. But its from here that i am a bit uncertain, because in runeterra there is a difference in ordinary persons lifespan vs the lifespan of a magic user. If this difference applies to the ascended as well then Nasus being magically gifted is simply more long lived than his muscle headed and physically specialized kin......but he would still age in time and quite frankly it is the only explanation that makes any sense for him having weakened so drastically, its far beyond the scope of "demoralized".
[Ascension isn't a perfect process. Some were made who were 100% compatible (or as near as makes no difference) with the process and became the Nasus types, others were failures and became the Baccai types. Most were somewhere in the middle, divine and super powerful, but not perfect and not designed to live forever. I suspect the aspect of Twilight figures that Nasus was successful enough not to need eradication (or maybe she knew of some part he had yet to play in the world...)](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8una0m/comment/e1i6g8l) That's Graham's categorizing. I added Xerath as extra because it is clear he is overloaded Ascended than underloaded Ascended aka Baccai. And it is said many times by rioters and the story itself Xerath is an Ascended being than a Baccai. Ta'anari couldn't regenerate a hit on his spine while Nasus could heal his entirely broken spine completely. That's one of the diffedences between an average ascended and an high tier ascended. All Ascended are magical, they are not only "muscle headed".
: Ah right, forgot he actually fought nasus and renekton while still bound by the coffin parts, somehow got the idea that he fought the two of them but was tossed into the coffin midway but as it wasnt able to properly hold him they then dragged him down to and tried to trap him in that special magic chamber but had to sacrifice renekton for it. However i doubt bad morale is enough to describe his problem, there was a line going like this : >But it wasn’t enough. It could never be enough. The last time they had fought, Nasus and Renekton had been at the height of their powers. Now Nasus was a shadow of his former glory, and Xerath’s power had been growing for centuries. You´re telling those words describe a guy currently having bad morale? Furthermore there was a line in .....i think it was a text describing the ascended in general? Stating that while greatly empowered the ascended can still be killed and they are not timeless but capable of living for thousands of years. How old is Nasus again? Because that entire part about being a shadow of himself to me really feels like he´s having age cramps.
Yeah, most of the Ascended age and get weaker due to oldness, but except the best ones. Ascended are in 3 categories. If you include Xerath, if is 4. First is Baccai. Underascended human. They are the weakest but still rare. Most of unworthy humans die rather than become a Baccai. Second is your average Ascended. Powerful, mighty and carries cosmic power relatively well, but still not designed to live forever. They are the vast majority of all Ascended. Third is your perfect/nearly perfect matched Ascended. Most of our Ascended champions are like this, far more powerful than any average Ascended, extremely hard to kill and are functionally immortal. They don't age. Imprisoned darkins were under that category, there wasn't much for mortals to kill them so they trapped them. Now they are even harder to kill. They are incredibly rare. And then there is overascended ones like Xerath. So far Xerath is the only one. He stayed at the ritual so much, his flesh and bones got obliterated by the cosmic power he merged with. He drained Sun Disc and at raw power carries much more energy than any Ascended ever known. So yes, Nasus doesn't age. Ta'anari showed aging symptoms in Twilight of the Gods and Nasus doesn't show any of them. Nasus is at least over 3500+, due to Fall of Shurima being about 3000 years ago and he fighting at side of Setaka for 500 years.
: Or... a Vastaya. They can be immortal beings too you know...
: Did you even read that story? Its explicitly stated, at least a few times, crystal clearly, that Nasus is SUFFERING FROM OLD AGE ,meanwhile Xerath has powered up a noticeable lot. Still not strong enough to break the coffin-seal but still. Nasus is basically weak and decrepit, nowhere nearly as powerful as he used to be, its like putting a 70 years old warrior up to fight a 40 years old one, doesnt matter if the elder one has a massive advantage in experience because the younger one can just brute force him down. Age is no joke and the ascended are long lived, not immortal. You might have had a point, if it wasnt for the fact that Xerath went to that city in the first place to kill sivir, and he failed because taliyah grabbed her and ran away. Explain to me, if Xerath is so godly why couldnt he catch Sivir and taliyah? He could just have instagibbed nasus then sent out one of those "serious" energy blasts to kill her from miles away thus accomplishing his goal. But he didnt, rather he got so busy with Nasus that taliyah was able to escape outside his Zone carrying sivir and she even broke his final attack that was aimed at killing the remaining city people. Evidently Xerath is under some severe limitations when it comes to range or he is busy guilt tripping very hard and cant decide if he actually wants to kill Sivir or not.
Yeah I did, stop asking stupid questions thank you. And no, you are misrembering why is Nasus a shadow of former himself. It wasn't because of old age but burden of his brother and loneliness for eons. He was desperately alone, walking the desert for years. It wasn't old age, if it was Renekton wouldn't be stronger than ever. It might take one moment for Nasus to gain his powers back. Still, that doesn't matter. Nasus was afraid of facing Xerath anyway. Even former himself with Renekton couldn't defeat him and he clearly says that in Bloodline. MOST of ascended are long lived, high tiers like Nasus are functionally immortal. You forget Nasus gave Sivir and Taliyah a talisman to hide them from Xerath's vision. Not for long, but enough for Nasus to find them. Xerath could sense Sivir from miles away and knew where she is. He knew, and he was super close to find her. They could be 15 minutes away from death if Nasus did not have the talisman.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=6Vd9q0tf,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-04T21:29:17.665+0000) > > We don't know what happened between Xerath and Taliyah, but it is obvious Xerath left them behind intentionally. Because there is other way. No way Taliyah can survive against a stubborn Xerath that made her death his goal. > > And for the Climb... It is obvious it is not canon and wasn't made with narrative since it contradicts with power of Xerath in lore. He was able to turn rocks to lava instantly and burn bodies like nothing in a heartbeat in actual lore. > > Same with Lucian dashing at sound speed from place to place. It is glorified gameplay with weak story background. You seriously underestimate the mortals of runeterra a bit. Xin zhao legit killed .....200+ opponents on his own, everyone was looking to kill him and him only, Irelia tossed like 8 grown men in fullplate armors with heavy weapons and shields into the air like nothing, if they can pull this stuff who says lucian cant dash around a bit? And Xerath is currently still stuck with the partial sarcophagus seal, the weakening might just be potent enough that a champion level mage can hold him off for a few minutes, or perhaps it greatly limits his effective range. And vaporizing a man? Any decent archmage with lightning or fire skills should be able to easily do so, its not much of a feat but it was pretty neat that he was able to directly collapse a giant stone temple inwards by pulling some magic chains. Finally Xeraths final attack in that scenario was to rise into the air and release a giant barrage of energy blasts down on the city, but Taliyah created domes of stone to shield the survivors, evidently his more widespread AOE doesnt carry a great deal of power although his focused blasts are respectable. However i am honestly unsure if Xerath can even be killed without breaking the seal first, nasus did apparently hit him which caused pain but didnt do any noticeable damage at all. So all in all current Xerath is powerful definitely but he isnt at a level where he can just wipe champion level mages with a sneeze.
No. I know how powerful Taliyah is, and other mortal mages of LoL. I am well aware of it. But you and appearently people downvoted me don't know how powerful Xerath is and how a mortal teenager mage has 0 chance against him in a neutral territory. Look. 4000+ years high tier Ascended Scholar of Shurima couldn't last minutes against Xerath when he wasn't even serious. He wasn't even trying to kill him. Xerath's ascended form at his weakest (sealed + new powers and body to learn to control how) couldn't be defeated 2 legendary ascended at their prime. Xerath is more powerful than ever now and you are telling me Taliyah can survive against him when he aims to destroy her to nothingness? Xerath can lift her into air and smash her like an insect, break her neck, decapitate her, try to mind control her, stabilize her with telekinesis and bombard her with arcanopulse, pull her into his arcane body etc. Taliyah cannot survive any realistic fight with what Xerath has shown so far. He turns a human to ashes completely in a heartbeat just because he pulled him into his body. Turn rocks to lava instantly. She can survive seconds... Maybe minutes. But hours? Xerath obviously did not try to kill her, I don't know why. If he did, she would be dead.
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=6Vd9q0tf,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-04T18:57:38.454+0000) > > Xerath drained the entire Sun Disc and almost 1 shoted Nasus while not trying to kill him... he has way more raw power than Syndra. Veigar hasn't shown raw power enough to put him on Syndra tier. So with all that power why´d he fail to just zap Taliyah? Multiple times? Nasus walked up to him, aged,weakened and did indeed get smacked down but Taliyah somehow raised a earth wall capable of holding xerath of for a few minutes while she, sivir and Nasus ran away, And in the "the climb" video we also see him trying to blast her and still failing. ' Thus i somehow get the idea that if someone were to do the equivalent of a meteor slam at him he wouldnt be unaffected at all, and Syndra is probably the only magic user in runeterra shown to be able to do such a thing aside from Aurelion&zoe who can toss literal stars. Such a giant body of mass falling with some speed from a tremendous attitude already a complete natural disaster, add some magic in to boost the effects and its a full blown calamity that could threaten any worldbound being. Of course Xerath is currently weakened, at his peak before being sealed he was capable of holding back two apex level ascended in their prime like Nasus and Renekton and if he still was as such i think he´d beat Syndra pretty easily. But, with evidence that Taliyah could shield him away with mere hardended rocks and the fact that Synda isnt chained down i think they are about equal in raw power as of currently. If Xerath was released? He´d be ahead pretty easily. If Syndra got past her......emo? period and got some magic teachings to help her develop? She might just naturally ascend the heavens on her own if levitating an island of choice for as long as she pleases is the starting point......without any help from a Targonian artifact.
We don't know what happened between Xerath and Taliyah, but it is obvious Xerath left them behind intentionally. Because there is other way. No way Taliyah can survive against a stubborn Xerath that made her death his goal. And for the Climb... It is obvious it is not canon and wasn't made with narrative since it contradicts with power of Xerath in lore. He was able to turn rocks to lava instantly and burn bodies like nothing in a heartbeat in actual lore. Same with Lucian dashing at sound speed from place to place. It is glorified gameplay with weak story background.
: If your champions lore were to end permanently...
Xerath going in the celestial realm, leaving Shurima to Azir.
Gilgayu (NA)
: Who is your favorite champion?
{{champion:101}} A champion built on ironies. All things he dared to do were for freedom, directly and indirectly, changed him to what he loathed for his entire life. Sparkles fueled by hatred, burned his humanity away. He became what he would destroy. A tyrant over everyone, but even worse than what he ever met. He dreamed freedom, so he obliterated his still loving best friend in that regard. He made it sure Shurima would collapse, so he could get free. Sadly (more like fortunately), he is less free than ever. Sarcophagus and Tomb of the Emperors, 2 imprisoments in a row made him even more lost. Ambition, hatred, loneliness, power, isolation consumed him entirely. He is insane. He needs help desperately. In his deep soul, he probably knows that.
: It’s showed in a Darius comic that Noxus offers also a peaceful annexation to their enemies. Demacia, on the other side, is just on the isolationist path which means also no help granted to invaded territories and allies.
Peaciful offer You did not accept? A threat You still did not accept? Unleash of full might of Noxus and kill you all horribly, rape your women and take heads off of your men. Angels walking on Runeterra, how merciful they are. Like their peaciful offer has nothing to do with "easy conquer with no effort". Sure they give a damn about their enemies, not because it is a huge benefical option. Totally not selfish.
: That's hardly a redeeming factor though. It's like saying that a killer is a good guy because he doesn't make them suffer much.
Noxus is an open minded, accepting country, though is neutralized by its being a war lover. And they are pretty merciless against their enemies, having fun with them etc. They are even violent against their own, look at Swain killing his captain because he is a coward. Demacia is close minded, oppressing country, quite phobic in many ways, but also is against war. They are just protecting themselves. Not going and murdering anyone against them. Sure being oppressing is bad, but so is being war thirsty. And Demacia seems more harsh in laws, which means murder rate is lesser than Noxus'. Cassiopeia, Vladimir, LeBlanc, Swain, Darius, Elise, LeBlanc, Draven(possibly ?). All killed someone their own citizen, compare to demacian champions. So yes both have their pros and cons. Demacia is not complete evil. (Also, when a country is not open to war idea, how can you create a bad side to neutralize its alignment? It will be about laws and citizens ofc.)
: It's everyone's perspective: Garen knows that her sister will be in epril the moment it becomes public that she is a mage. Lux only chance has been to be used by Demacia because she was from a high standing family. Galio is worried for Lux too. Jarvan has to hide Shyvana or else she'd be lynched. Fiora is fighting ptrairchy. Xin is just a loyal bodyguard. Kayle is also sad about having to be an executioner/judicator. Tell me where is the redeeming factor of Demacia.
That they dont try to conquer anyone maybe? Unlike Noxus, which is war thirsty. And you cant say me after we have seen in Awaken cinematic, Noxus is shown as good guys. Fleshing pits are death sentences made to entertain folks. They are trying to conquer Ionia again... There is also freaking Black Rose opposite to mageseekers, which I would prefer mageseekers. I mean... Black Rose released Xerath and Renekton.
Moody P (NA)
: "Stand with Sylas" Riot mage bias strikes again
: I'm done with the Lore
It is Sylas' perspective, what did you expect? Like really, even the narrator of video is Sylas... Lore of league is not told by god-view. Just wait and see. After that you can complain.
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rawiazam1 (EUNE)
: jhin has a good chance to acually kill camille
Jhin will probably shot one of her legs, which are already removable, and then escape. Following Camille realizing chembarons are nothing compare to Jhin and that he needs to be immediately stopped.
: If anything, Awaken made me love Jhin even more.
Jhin is awesome dude! I love how cool he is in cinematic. By far the best in that video, followed by Camille and Draven.
: How would you rank your favourite Runeterra factions?
1. Shurima 2. Targon 3. Freljord 4. Ionia 5. Bilgewater 6. Shadow Isles 7. Noxus 8. Demacia 9. Piltover 10. Zaun 11. Bandle City
: can we get a femme fatale story?
None of them are femme fatale.
: I'd probably change Anivia and Volibear to match their brother's description. Something like: {{champion:106}}: The Thunder Above the Mountain {{champion:34}}: The Snow Over the Mountain I'd also change every Targon Aspect so they become Aspects. So: {{champion:89}}: Aspect of the Sun {{champion:131}}: Aspect of the Moon {{champion:80}}: Aspect of War
Without a doubt, with his rework, Pantheon's new title will be "the Spear of Targon". It is cool, it makes sense. It is his title even in lore anyway.
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=agJq1Edm,comment-id=00010002000200000000,timestamp=2019-01-13T16:18:53.737+0000) > > There is potential of true ice killing an ascended of course. It is incredibly powerful which is painful to hold even for an ascended or aspect. But we don't how much is needed to defeat an ascended like Azir, and Lissandra can't create true ice, only manipulate it. > > I think; > > In Shurima Azir > Lissandra by far, > > In Freljord, an area full of true ice Lissandra > Azir by far, > > In neutral territory Azir > Lissandra, due to Azir being an ascended of incredible durability and having sun blasts of light speed, while Lissandra being fragile glass canon that she can die to single attack. Azir can also fly and use telekinesis. > > Azir is definitely not an average ascended, his powers are immense. An ascended champion should never be average anyway. > > Azir is politically the most important and powerful leader right now in Runeterra AFAWK. If he havent had rivalry with freaking Xerath, he would be a huge pain in the ass for Noxus. I agree with everything, lissandra cant create true ice is quite a disadvantage.. And yes we dont know how much is needed to kill an ascended so we can speculate :) One thing that I would say is that in neutral territory lissandra would win because she can shield herself with dark ice barriers and she can carry true ice to battle while azir is in big disadvantage if there is no sand.. But again I respect your opinion of Azir winning and its for sure a possiblity because as you said Lissandra cant self heal (not without her priests) (btw. more comics are coming out so maybe we will know more in the future) Thank you for the a nice little discussion
{{sticker:sg-kiko}} My personal opinion is, Lissandra is the most dangerous "mortal" mage in our champion cast. Her raw power rivals Ryze and Vladimir, outperforms Lux and Taliyah. And her intelligent is equal to LB's, maybe even more. She is scary and I love her. She is one of my mains for many reasons.
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=agJq1Edm,comment-id=000100020002,timestamp=2019-01-13T11:24:38.423+0000) > > Aatrox killed spirit gods as an ascended, not a darkin. > > True ice is not lethal for an ascended or an aspect. WAAARGHbobo gave Aatrox and Zoe as examples and said them holding a true ice weapon would be painful but still bearable. My bad youre right he was an ascended,i take it back.. Can we just discuss that for a bit and yes I know about What warghbobo wrote I actually have most of the copies: https://imgur.com/CJUQiff It says while it might not kill the most powerful (Zoe and Aatrox) its definitely really painful as you said.. 1. Now we can both agree that the killing potential of Truce ice is there,right? While 1 or two shard of true ice pierced into Aatrox body wouldnt kill him it, we maybe could assume that if he would get pierced by a dozen Shards he could potentially die? 2. If an inexpirienced Iceborn touches TI even for a second they collapse, I then believe that even one shard would force Azir to his knees aswell.. That thought comes from the fact that nobody should even be touching true ice, it shouldnt be touched period (Only iceborn are lucky enough because of the void to touch it) and form the fact that Azir isnt even close to being the strongest ascended so he is an average one (Neither best in combat nor in the craft as Renekton and Nasus beat him in each)
There is potential of true ice killing an ascended of course. It is incredibly powerful which is painful to hold even for an ascended or aspect. But we don't how much is needed to defeat an ascended like Azir, and Lissandra can't create true ice, only manipulate it. I think; In Shurima Azir > Lissandra by far, In Freljord, an area full of true ice Lissandra > Azir by far, In neutral territory Azir > Lissandra, due to Azir being an ascended of incredible durability and having sun blasts of light speed, while Lissandra being fragile glass canon that she can die to single attack. Azir can also fly and use telekinesis. Azir is definitely not an average ascended, his powers are immense. An ascended champion should never be average anyway. Azir is politically the most important and powerful leader right now in Runeterra AFAWK. If he havent had rivalry with freaking Xerath, he would be a huge pain in the ass for Noxus.
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=3TWarrior,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=agJq1Edm,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-13T04:01:44.856+0000) > > azir would beat lissandra if he is indeed an arisen because she's basically an ice witch or more plainly, a magic wielder that uses or controls ice (so i'm not sure about the teleport thing) > > renekton would beat volibear, likely being a represetation of power > > I wonder how syndra factors into this as supposedly, she has infinitely growing magic at her disposal > > in your question, it would likely be about who was more clever with their power > > {{champion:75}} Nasus seems to gain his power based on faith(or at least, my justification of sacrifices based on his Q), so oddly enough, i'd place him as the weakest among them unless he has a legion of followers around > > {{champion:101}} : raw, concentrated magical power and influence > > {{champion:58}} : raw, physical power > > {{champion:268}} : superior numbers > > > in numerical order, I'd say overall: {{champion:75}} < {{champion:58}} < {{champion:268}} < {{champion:101}} and syndra would probably be a tie for xerath but could be beaten by azir > > If nasus had a legion of followers, he could overpower his opposition however, so it's all in the circumstances. Azir beats syndra because he has an endless army at his disposal. Syndra ties xerath because it's basically unlimited power against unlimited power, Renekton beats nasus because he can use the physical laws of the universe to his advantage as force is a basic measure for destruction > > I justify azir beating syndra because although she is power hungry, she is less likely to create an extinction level event to win a fight when compared to Xerath What are you talking about? First off we dont know who would win but you realize True Ice can kill Azir? its lethal You realize that Liss has been alive for thousands and thousands and thousands of years long before shurima was on the map, she knows about shurimas rise and fall, what do you think how much knowledge on azir and general magic she gained throughout that time? Renekton beat Volibear? Only the Darkin have been obeserved to go toe to toe with a demigod not a normal ascended and just because darking can go toe to toe doesnt mean that they would win.,, So all you can do is speculate and lets not forget Azir has missed a lot being dead over thousands of years while lissandra has been expanding on knowledge.. Im not saying she wins Im just saying we can speculate One more thing: great Azir couldnt even hold his empire together or survive his best friend, so if he needs any tips on how to build and survive he knows who to ask
>Titles he has given himself-- not out of ego-- but out of self-loathing. But yeah-- he is a badass capable of killing "gods" like Orrn etc... And has in the past **(even before being a darkin)** Aatrox killed spirit gods as an ascended, not a darkin. >He was a very powerful Ascended-- i.e. a human imbued/transformed by a Celestial power. (Aspects are related to Ascended-- i.e. Are you going to the source of the Celestial power or are pulling some of that power down to you.) >He was a champion who fought and killed spirit gods (avatar's like Orrn) and other celestial empowered beings (like Nasus). Now he has been reduced... True ice is not lethal for an ascended or an aspect. WAAARGHbobo gave Aatrox and Zoe as examples and said them holding a true ice weapon would be painful but still bearable.
: sylas is a reflection of riots poor effort to think about the consequences of new champions. Why tf do they keep doing this and why are we letting them? oh yeah riot doesnt read forum posts anymore. i forgot
Why are we letting them? First. Not like we can stop. It is their game. Second. Appearently majority of people already like it. So they continue. Not that hard to understand. Life is not all about you. There are other people with different tastes.
: For those of you asking why Sylas is buff...
Another fellow that believes lifting weight is enough for bodybuilding... Nutritions are beyond necessary to gain muscle. A body like this requires at least 3000 calories, which significant part of it must be from proteins.
: It's actually common sense. What would you do for 15 years just sitting in solitary? You have no books, no TV, and not even some chalk to write on the floor. Literally all he can do is either sit around boring himself to death or work out.
Uhh... Do you even know how muscle growth works? He is in prison. There is no way he gets the nutrition he needs. A body like this consumes at least 3000 calories high protein diet. It is also ignored somehow how clean he is... This guy has a beard. Him having 0 body hair makes zero sense. He is hygenic, his beard is stylish. What kind of prison is this? He is clearly male Kai'Sa. NOT THAT I COMPLAIN. But it is still not reasonable and defendable. Riot just wanted a hot man and that's it. It is fantasy in the end. But if it was real life, Sylas would look like shit. He would be slim and shorter than what he is now, and his beard and hair would have their own republic.
: That really makes no sense. He made from the sun disc which means he can’t be “brighter” than it. The shuriman gods barely were able to fight against the void, and as we all know, the fight corrupted several of the ascended (Rhaast, Varus, Aatrox and presumably even more) As I’ve stated before, the void can’t destroy true ice, it has to corrupt it and that takes YEARS. Ornn however can melt true ice by his mere presence. He probably created the Chalicar and he isn’t stuck in a physical form, he and his brethren are more or less omnipotent. Read Gnar’s lore, he was witnessing his kind get slaughtered by void spawn and Anivia without even being there, froze him in true ice. She just knew he was going to die and she kept him alive to fight in the coming war. I also mentioned Ornn’s quote about the harpoon he made out of Mountain and the world tree. He’s clearly referencing Mt.Targon and the Yggdrasil. I will acknowledge how powerful xerath is, but until riot pulls their head out of their asses and actually finishes lore they started, I’m sticking with my theory. Because they still haven’t updated volibear’s lore even though his biography page and Ornn’s biography page don’t add up. Like seriously riot has got to be pumping cocaine through their ventilation system or something.
Xerath is smaller than Sun Disc you know right? He is denser than Sun Disc. > “The Butcher of the Sands will have his due,” said Xerath, his form blazing brighter than the sun disc ever had. Rocks and dust tumbled from above. “And I will be there to watch him claw the meat from your bones.” Myisha says for darkins they killed each other more than the Void did and lore clearly says darkins were bigger threat for Runeterra so far... Void isn't something you must be ashamed when you struggle against to fight either. Pretty sure freljordian gods did not encounter the true horrors of the Void same as the Ascended did. And I mean c'mon, it is already said by Aatrox's and Zoe's writer that Aatrox as an ascended killed "spirit gods like Ornn". What are you gonna do? Deny? And by Scathlocke "the Ascended are powerful enough to go toe to toe with any demigods in the setting." You just overestimate freljordian gods and severely underestimate the Ascended. Void > Watchers also. Watchers are the one corrupting true ice. Not the Void. Void would erase it quicker than it takes me to write this sentence.
drash79 (NA)
: You're in the Bird box: you can only pick one blind champion and two with eye sight
{{champion:101}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:16}} Xerath to protect me offensively LeBlanc to create illusions and hide me Soraka to heal me if things go wrong
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