Kubox (NA)
: If you think Karma's busted you should probably tell that to her win rate, it looks like it missed the memo.
you are right I forgot about the quite significant nerfs to her and should probably have used {{champion:37}} as a more recent example. Karma was busted for months.
FireDrizzle (EUNE)
: You cant just list 2 champs and say a class is weak.
I said crit adc not ones that build rageblade.
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: A little late to the party. ARAM is better without endless hiding-behind-turret poke comps.
Everyone prefers the soaking up 5000 damage and healing up in 2 seconds playstyle {{champion:45}} {{item:3083}}
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: I dont get what I did wrong?
You deserve the permaban. Well done riot clearing another toxic player from this game. You wont be missed {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: Perm Banned
You deserve it
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: [MEGATHREAD] Let's Discuss: Rengar
tfw 90% of na boards are euw and 90% of euw players are german
: Void staff needs to be nerfed.
Why nerf ap champions even further? Many of the other ap items have had their strengths reduced in the past with void staff being one of the few thats largely been unaffected by changes. And for good reason as without it affecting the entirety of the enemies mr many aps would simply struggle to contribute meaningful damage as they often have less sustained damage compared to ad champion who also deal a significant portion of their damage in form of autoattacks. AD itemization in general is also much much better maybe even too good, particularly {{item:3155}} {{item:3156}} which still might be to effective at mitigating ap damage but also {{item:3139}} {{item:3814}} and easily accessible armorpen both flat and %. Last whisper was changed from total Armor reduction to bonus a long time ago because AD champions simply didnt need an item that strong which destroys squishies and tanks alike and was the best choice in every situation but AP champions need just that.
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: Have you ever watched high elo supports? They are the play makers. Go watch bunnyfufu or something.
He can barely get out of D5 when playing without ad premade. Shows you how impactful the role really is.
: > [{quoted}](name=SEKAI,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TAmH1hqA,comment-id=0003000000010000000100000001,timestamp=2017-05-30T13:40:47.941+0000) > > What a great response to someone actually sitting down and explaining stuff to you. > > I mean seriously, what kind of supports have you been playing against to warrant this "beta" impression? > > Champs that are often assigned the job to literally look after the entire map alongside junglers, to ensure successful teamfights, often to dive head-first into the middle of the enemy team, to babysit another player throughout the first 10-15 minutes of every game, to look after everybody in the team after early game, to take nothing but still work etc etc. No no no, tha's EASY and ain't nothing because they don't do damage and should be instantly invalidated and completely disregarded. Well sure, but they can be built to do damage which they often do; and doing damage means very little when objectives can't be secured, which often require supports and junglers to do that. > > So I am at lost at what kind of metric you're even using to determine which champ is "alpha" and which is "beta", it seems completely random and utterly personal, and also makes no objective sense from what I can tell. > > But I should've know when someone argues on the basis of whether or not something is "alpha" or "beta", a completely meaningless metric created by those without brains, strength nor grace to make it seem that they're superior. alpha male champion examples {{champion:119}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:63}} BETA examples {{champion:117}} {{champion:16}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:40}} {{champion:267}} clear enough for you?
lol couldnt agree more
: Support is not a real role.
Theres some truth to it, the strongest sups currently are braindead shielding supports all of which typically stand next to their carries {{champion:43}} {{champion:37}} {{champion:40}} {{champion:117}} . And yeah theyre all girls.
: Riven is sitting in the healthiest spot she's been in forever while being surrounded on all sides by pretty viable counters. Besides, there is no word Riven would even get nerfs, so why people think Riven needs to get nerfed every time she gets a skin is beyond me.
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: PLS DON'T NERF DRAVEN! NERF DEATH'S DANCE INSTEAD
Draven is easily the hardest to play adc so its only reasonable for him to be among the strongest. He requires a great deal of concentration deterring even many ad mains who are lacking in mechanics from playing him regularly so those who can play him should be appropriately rewarded. Hes been pretty lackluster for a long time too and op is right in saying that the items are to blame in the case of draven. ( {{champion:114}} {{champion:92}} are broken because of design)
: DD and GA problem, not Riven problem. Animation canceling thing wasn't necessary though, although I doubt it's causing any problems.
> [{quoted}](name=Cant Hold Me Now,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EQLEaVFd,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-05-28T13:52:40.694+0000) > > DD and GA problem, not Riven problem. > > Animation canceling thing wasn't necessary though, although I doubt it's causing any problems. Those items just expose the many flaws within the champs design
: Where was yesterday's reminder? Honestly I don't find her all that oppressive anymore anyway despite the win rate.
> [{quoted}](name=GeminiRune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EQLEaVFd,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-05-28T13:40:36.465+0000) > > Where was yesterday's reminder? > Honestly I don't find her all that oppressive anymore anyway despite the win rate. {{champion:92}} {{item:3047}} {{item:3071}} {{item:3812}} and possibly {{item:3026}} unkillable tank assassin and its not the items themselves its her broken kit working far too well with them ( the same can be said about {{champion:114}} who too is very broken but to a slightly lesser extent than {{champion:92}} who I recommend banning every game)
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: Junglers, please don't camp your pre-made and ignore the other lanes
The problem here lies in the fact that sion is simply not a very good champ for your jungler to camp and to carry a game by himself. Playing heavily around your premade isnt at all bad neither is the combination of top and jungle. Lee is fine too his pre should have played something other than a tank who gets more out of being sit like your Riven, Fiora etc. You can do a lot by just ganking top over and over again like taking their tower/completely taking over their topside jungle. This is even arguably better than trying to salvage your teammates lanes initially because you can overrun the remaining players after getting a big enough lead anyway or at least apply enough pressure to draw them top which will then allow your team to catch up that way.
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> [{quoted}](name=FaytalityHD,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p7geoBLL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-25T08:38:34.628+0000) > > Aside from some of the champs you listed, theyre not actually better. Its just that solo queue is very snowball heavy and that these type of champions can carry games a lot more easily by punishing the many mistakes that the enemy team does unlike competitive and organized play in which big mistakes are less frequent so more reliable picks are often preferred and do better. I also find this tierlist to be rather inaccurate there are far better ones and it also doesnt correspond with what Im experiencing in games and I do play a lot. Teamcomps with several assassins are in fact horrendously bad UNLESS virtually every player is better than his respective opponent so theyre often the picks of choice for players looking to climb very fast;smurfs.
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: Silvers.....
I hate them too. Disgusting subhumans but we need them to feel better about ourselves if we banned all of them which trust me they would deserve, we would no longer be -among the top 5% of all players.
: You guys complain that literally everything is op
Orianna is actually op though if you know how to abuse enemy laner early and also transitions very nicely into the later stages of the game sooooo..
: This is NOT ok.
I didnt read any of it but yes.
: Where is the "they didnt nerf him hard enough make it 4 seconds" option? Cause thats the box i'd check.
> [{quoted}](name=Binxy Prime,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=y3cFP4Hw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-25T06:49:43.082+0000) > > Where is the "they didnt nerf him hard enough make it 4 seconds" option? > > Cause thats the box i'd check. you must be bronze
: How to prevent future Smurf or Smurf making more Smurf
The reason I play on smurf accounts is to fuck up lower ranked players games. Usually by playing champs lower elo players believe to be broken like {{champion:157}} {{champion:238}} which makes it all the more enjoyable.
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: Just won my promos to Gold V
Youd better be at least gold 5 with all the help low elo players get from riot after crying for years about not getting the oh so amazing season rewards. ( apart from their miserable silver border of course)
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abca98 (EUW)
: How am I supposed to play Lux in this meta?
Only good in arams and low elo to be honest. No one plays her in diamond elo.(not counting D5)
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: > [{quoted}](name=FaytalityHD,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LQiIsRbx,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-03-09T19:14:56.240+0000) > > did just that on different account 66% winrate high diamond playing nothing but jungle... boring and broken af. Everyone knows advancing the solo q ladder is 10 times easier when playing jungle. That looks pretty fishy to me, While I see some similarities between that and your current account, your current account last season had a lower khazix win rate, and was also an entire league lower at P2 instead of D2, So it is very very likely you abused a specific patch in which jungle was op as opposed to the entire season, it just wouldnt make sense for the same season same champs to have 5% lower winrate in an entire league difference. Not to mention both account's havent even placed this season, there is definitely something off about this entire situation, You could just be a higher elo player trolling or you could be a booster. Or abusing a specific power patch but it isn't a normal situation.
> [{quoted}](name=KingMasterNate,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LQiIsRbx,comment-id=000500000001,timestamp=2017-03-09T20:14:35.595+0000) > > That looks pretty fishy to me, While I see some similarities between that and your current account, your current account last season had a lower khazix win rate, and was also an entire league lower at P2 instead of D2, So it is very very likely you abused a specific patch in which jungle was op as opposed to the entire season, it just wouldnt make sense for the same season same champs to have 5% lower winrate in an entire league difference. Not to mention both account's havent even placed this season, there is definitely something off about this entire situation, You could just be a higher elo player trolling or you could be a booster. Or abusing a specific power patch but it isn't a normal situation. this account here decayed after getting banned, kha zix wasnt even considered broken throughout any of season 6 or picked up in lcs. It really is the power of the role and its unranked now because I have only recently returned to the game. I can get smashed by golds in lane but carry games as jungler in near masters range, thats just stupid imo and definitely proving that somethings wrong with the role.
: > [{quoted}](name=FaytalityHD,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LQiIsRbx,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-03-09T19:14:56.240+0000) > > did just that on different account 66% winrate high diamond playing nothing but jungle... boring and broken af Yeah I'd like to see some proof of that, cause you aren't getting a 66% winrate high diamond unless you are a challenger with decent LP, or its a small sample size of under 30 games.
> [{quoted}](name=KingMasterNate,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LQiIsRbx,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2017-03-09T19:18:19.117+0000) > > Yeah I'd like to see some proof of that, cause you aren't getting a 66% winrate high diamond unless you are a challenger with decent LP, or its a small sample size of under 30 games. jungle only account ... https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Lnfliction Champions like {{champion:121}} and {{champion:104}} whom Id play know are too strong. Its stupidly boring though. See its ridiculous normally youd expect 66% winrate players at this range to be challenger players even though they really just abused op jungle picks.
: > [{quoted}](name=FaytalityHD,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LQiIsRbx,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-03-09T19:07:20.055+0000) > > problem is 0 0 0 {{champion:104}} with {{item:1412}} is probably as strong as me No he isn't if you were 3-0 in the mid lane with good cs, chances are you are 1 and a half levels on him atleasts, aand top of that have like 1000 more gold, not to mention graves should be banned every game without hesitation, on TOP OF THAT, If you do what i say and let him start the camp he officially wasted his Q and most likely E which then means you go in with a temporary 2 ability advantage. Like jungle is only OP vs bad players simple as that.
> [{quoted}](name=KingMasterNate,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LQiIsRbx,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2017-03-09T19:15:56.687+0000) > > No he isn't if you were 3-0 in the mid lane with good cs, chances are you are 1 and a half levels on him atleasts, aand top of that have like 1000 more gold, not to mention graves should be banned every game without hesitation, on TOP OF THAT, If you do what i say and let him start the camp he officially wasted his Q and most likely E which then means you go in with a temporary 2 ability advantage. Like jungle is only OP vs bad players simple as that. is why most of the top solo q players are junglers. I tested it myself when I got to diamond 2 (was season end though probably would have gotten higher but I didnt so Ill leave it at that..)on jungle only account although I normally belong in diamond 5 elo which is much worse. By picking the right champ and knowing what to do ( unlike lane can get away with having terrible mechanics like me) you can win the entire map in solo q.
: Lmao, thats why if top or mid are catching the majority of their minion waves they're usually 1 maybe 2 levels above the junglers right? Lol, jungle is admittedly a game influencing role b/c you can effect any of the lanes (positively or negatively) for your team, but if its so overtuned why don't you start playing jungle and get your "free elo"? haha
> [{quoted}](name=Alex h8721,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LQiIsRbx,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-03-09T19:08:47.159+0000) > > Lmao, thats why if top or mid are catching the majority of their minion waves they're usually 1 maybe 2 levels above the junglers right? > > Lol, jungle is admittedly a game influencing role b/c you can effect any of the lanes (positively or negatively) for your team, but if its so overtuned why don't you start playing jungle and get your "free elo"? haha did just that on different account 66% winrate high diamond playing nothing but jungle... boring and broken af. Everyone knows advancing the solo q ladder is 10 times easier when playing jungle.
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