Løban (EUW)
: @Riot - about the Monkey King
Look at this https://twitter.com/RiotAzuBK/status/1085608456453668864
: So much of what you said is wrong. His laning isnt the weakest in the game. I see people play wukong jungle just fine and people calling you bad and flaming you should be reported and muted which isnt riots fault, its the person flaming you who is at fault. Wukongs kit is in a fine state although not perfect while kayle and teemo are rather binary and unfun to play against and in the case of kayle unfun to play. Those filthy teemo mains seem to have fun playing him regardless though.
>His laning isnt the weakest in the game. His laning is clearly the weakest of every toplaner. > I see people play wukong jungle just fine You see this in low elo. Then you climb and most will dodge or flame you for obvious reason. Op cry about this, but its his fault for playing a weak champ and not muting other. That said ValiantKiller, you play in low elo. Either you get good and climb, either you change your champ. Wukong is trash, but you can clearly reach plat... And i have trouble believe jungling is hard in your elo. Stop b******, riot already said they plan something https://twitter.com/RiotAzuBK/status/1085608456453668864
: I want to enjoy my time playing ranked but I can't
>The champion has a good win rate, but it feels horrible to play him. On decent servers : https://u.gg/lol/champions/wukong/build/?role=top&region=euw1 https://u.gg/lol/champions/wukong/build/?role=top&region=kr And its not even high elo (plat isnt high). Wukong is trash, ofc you dont enjoy. That said, you shouldnt have any trouble in gold even if the pick is trash. >Maybe I am doing something wrong now. Indeed you do... But if you don't succed to correct your mistakes, i advice you to either ask someone to review your games or either to change for a decent champion.
nelogis (EUW)
: If you say so. Then that means he has an outdated kit that no longer functions in the current version of the game and needs to be updated.
no... that means his stats and ratio are trash.
: Wukong is so under-powered.
Hiding names players... is this a normal game ?? or a silver game ?
: > [{quoted}](name=Fire Blaustoise,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XpHHIgzZ,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-15T12:57:41.621+0000) Not really my mistake personally, I don't have trouble with any of Urgot's matchups really since I know how to play into the good and the bad. I'm really just addressing why he has such a low winrate against wukong as a whole on account of other peoples' mistakes.
Wukong lose lane, but win game. Cause most Urgot abuser have bad macro thats all nothing more. Wukong is trash when players know how play... but he's fine in your rank, so yeah, it come from you.
: is it okay if i just int since im countered in every match?
> see if I can drop my mmr so I can play with really low elo its already the case
Omen46 (NA)
: hey? Lame ass over here, why is stoneplate considered so bad? doesn't it kinda stack with wukong passive? 80 MR and Armor at point of engage WITHOUT pressing it is still rather defensive, you lose damage only when using the ability. I can understand if you want to go pure assassin, but if a game goes on long enough, and there's not too much need for more damage, wouldn't be better to not have the possibility of being popped moments after using your engage? Or is this more along the lines of just having a GA, and just spamming w to get away scotch free instead of remaining in a fight a few moments longer for something like Black cleaver to shred or continuously hold focus?
sorry late reply. yeah it stack with Wukong passive... but just considere Wukong as a passiveless champion. Wukong has no cc beside his ult. His only utility is to bring damage. If you go bruiserish the best way is to use damage + hp/resistance items (such BC, Sterak, GA, maw). Like the best Wukong EU https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Pisse%20de%20Bloos That said the glass cannon build surely be better next patches again (if we are back into adc centric meta)
: > [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XpHHIgzZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-15T01:16:27.414+0000) His damage is high enough that he can solo Urgot early and his clone provides counterplay to the e and ulti. Now, most assassiny style fighters have a chance to kill/dive Urgot early as well, and all of them of course fall off against him due to armor stacking, but the brass monkey brings a pretty funky ulti to the table, the hard cc of which helps him to carry his lead through the midgame during teamfights to help close out the match before Urgot can really catch up.
He can't. You just dont know how play the match up. There no way, Urgot losing this match up... even after giving a kill, Urgot should have the pressure. The mistake is on you.
: I played a lot of wukong s8 and pre season 9, and know what? I skipped caring about early and mid game and made a whole late game rune page and build. So basically, I went conquerer, and for secondary gathering storm was a must, and for stat shards, pick whatever you want. Ingame, I basically mix and matched items to make him a teamfight hurricane. A gargoyles stoneplate for living. One of the tiamat items depending on how much tank or damage we need. one youmuus for speed. one deadmans if more speed is needed. Basically, I built depending on what was needed, while making him into a bruiser, and since I had conquerer, not too much damage was needed lategame, as long as I had the time to do damage, and with gathering storm kicking in nicely after 30 mins, it went really well. I could make a guide if you want.
> I skipped caring about early and mid game and made a whole late game rune page You can do this cause you play in low elo. > So basically, I went conquerer, its okay... but it dosnt change Wukong problems. > A gargoyles stoneplate for living. Its trash. It decrease Wukong damages, Wukong has no utility beside a knockup. You would do better with a real champion... mainly if you build him tanky.
: To be fair I think they over buffed his Q initially. I think he deserved a nerf. But his Q, E, items, and runes got nerfed. I wish they'd just give him some form of sustain, or increased his health regeneration and health regeneration per level. Those stats, and his mana are so poor. I think it'd be a good QoL thing.
The q wasnt overbuffed. in high elo Wukong wasnt even close of a good pick. Duskblade & Storm were the issue... in low elo. Stormrazor wasnt even played in high elo. When played by Caps, he didnt even carried so much, Broxah and Hyllisang carried the games.
VvVVvV (NA)
: Sorry but I find it hard to feel sympathy for any champs that get to use {{item:3147}} with Electrocute.
feel free to complain about duskblade and electrocute... despite them not being strong. Better complain than git gud.
Omen46 (NA)
: Ouch, I know what you mean. That feeling when your favorite champs gets nerfed hard, not because they were actually nerfed but everything else was buffed to be better at everything. {{champion:150}} {{sticker:sg-soraka}}
I mean... Gnar was directly nerfed cause he was f*cking ennuyous in high elo and was perma picked in competitive (gnar vs x isnt fun to watch).
: Tip? Just dont play x champ because they are bad
Wukong sucks, so yeah, there no other response than "play a real champ". But you can reach plat easly with him.
: Wukong needs some major work
: Wukongs W is a nerf, please do not change the armor color based on using Decoy.
ennemy dont see the color change. Its like this since age
: Why does Nocturne's passive scale with AP?
For Wukong its cause he's an old champ, and cause old triforce used to have some ap (goal was to make him use all stat). But yeah, its stupid to not have changed this since.
: my argument is that you can't take someone that bitches about everything seriously. the same way you won't take a broken clock seriously. Sure, it shows the right time twice a day, but you don't schedule your time based on what that broken clock says, nor do you pay attention to it, nor do you try to make an argument towards how right it is those 2 times, and how wrong it is those 99+ times. again, he complain about everything under the sun, there isn't a thing he didn't complain about. EVERYTHING is broken according to him. Everything except the bug where kled's Q cancels Poppy's E, that's fine.
But when Hashinshin complain about something its not dumb like most of this board like " x is broken. period". Usualy its more like "this thing is broken cause .... ". And this topic is about knowing if Hashinshin was right or wrong. He wasnt wrong, he said : - tanks were op : yeah they were (they will be again when conqueror will be nerfed) - bruisers didnt have keystone for them : was true for most (and thats what matter) He asked riot to nerf tanks and give a keystone designed for bruiser. He was right on this fact... but in the end he dont even work at riot.
Theorex (NA)
: As a diamond player, I can fully say that if you do the following things you'll get places.
>7: Always pick Yasuo, Riven, Zed, Master Yi, and Vayne. Only Zed is trash in this list (and in low elo they dont abuse his laning and early ).
: 1: Never blame the top laner 2: It's always his fault 3: When you win a 5v5, always try to lose it right when you leave lane. Until you lose. 4: Always follow your enemy, and always be on their side of the map. Especially if you are not the mid laner. 5: If you see someone who has no bounty on them, never try to team kill them. want to risk giving that gold from yourself. 6: clairvoyance is a good summoner spell to use. 7: Never pick Taliyah, Ivern, Lux, Wukong, and Morgana. 8: always build offensive items. need them if the ally is alive. 9: get kills, that is some strong food. Only pros think about those. 10: Do all of that.
>7: Never pick Taliyah, Ivern, Lux, Wukong, and Morgana. not picking lux & Wukong is a good advice tho.
: And yet people cried that Fervor was removed
i think its unrelated... but fervor was braindead too.
K6ace (NA)
: When is wukong finally getting reworked? Does riot not care about him or something?
: Aaaaaaand this is why you never give up in ranked. (Especially if you have a Master Yi on your team)
>Don't give up in ranked. Only true if you are low elo. Most of time its just a waste of time and energy (mates fighting among self)
Syrile (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fire Blaustoise,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5VjKerlZ,comment-id=0004000000000001,timestamp=2019-01-22T18:00:31.113+0000) > > its really hard to talk with you, you have a low elo pov and your lack of experience. Wr dont matter, his pickrate is low. > > Would be faster for you to look at Harambe stream (and ask him). > > There no decents toplaners losing to a Wukong in straight 1v1. > > no. Play him top, you will be surprise. You think he's good cause in your plats games the few wukongs are always fed. > > If you're a supp mains or most tanks tbh, should take no effort to manage a Wukong. > > > are you really saying plat is high level ? > > that why you should stop looking at wr. Wukong can't win the 1v1 against Illaoi and its clearly. > > Why using even mainly in Yasuo case ?? Yasuo isnt a strong toplaner. > > Wukong used to counter him... before riot nerfed him, now, yasuo just need to build tabi and its gg. Jax win against Wukong most of time and outscale him. Really a free lane for JAx. If your entire argument is that "your elo is too low to matter" you have proven that you have no interest in a logical conversation. ELO, on any account, means nothing when presented with facts. I gave you statistics for the top players of that champion vs top players of other popular champions. You can claim that "elo and lack of experience" is a problem. That is no different than saying "you are bronze" and is a very, very sad attempt at being insulting. You should probably read the actual post instead of hurling insults and pretending that valid statistics are invalid.
Just go on Wukong sub reddit or x champions subb, and ask them if Wukong counter their pick. You're to focused on wr. You can even ask to the best Wukong NA, would be faster.
Syrile (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fire Blaustoise,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5VjKerlZ,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-01-22T13:08:28.861+0000) > > He dont. Most toplaners are tanky and have sustain. Wukong has low damage before finishing his first item and reaching lv11. Just building tabi is enough for removing Wukong from toplane... but anyway, most toplaners insta win the lane against him (granted you need to know how lane). > Wukong never come from nowhere.... you should just controle the map and developpe your selfawarness. 58.02 Win% against Ornn 59.02 Win% against Irelia 57.58 Win% against Viktor 62.56 Win% against Vayne 60.19 Win% against Mundo 58.72 Win% against Shen 58.18 Win% against Galio 57.10 Win% against Akali 56.60 Win% against Pantheon 62.68 Win% against Lissandra All in top lane only. All in the last 7 days. Even picks like Illaoi and Quinn only beat him by less than 2% And this is high-level play, not bronze so knowing how to lane is not a question. Even Yasuo and Jax (of all people) have losing Win% against Wukong by over 6% for Yasuo and around 3% for Jax. Dude counters a lot of top lane pretty hard if you can play him well. And as for "never out of nowhere" because of map awareness... You can say that for basically anyone. But a guy with invisibility and a dash can easily appear quickly. This took basically no effort to find.
its really hard to talk with you, you have a low elo pov and your lack of experience. Wr dont matter, his pickrate is low. Would be faster for you to look at Harambe stream (and ask him). There no decents toplaners losing to a Wukong in straight 1v1. >Dude counters a lot of top lane pretty hard if you can play him well. no. Play him top, you will be surprise. You think he's good cause in your plats games the few wukongs are always fed. >And as for "never out of nowhere" because of map awareness... You can say that for basically anyone. But a guy with invisibility and a dash can easily appear quickly. This took basically no effort to find. If you're a supp mains or most tanks tbh, should take no effort to manage a Wukong. >And this is high-level play, not bronze so knowing how to lane is not a question. are you really saying plat is high level ? >Even picks like Illaoi and Quinn only beat him by less than 2% that why you should stop looking at wr. Wukong can't win the 1v1 against Illaoi and its clearly. >Even Yasuo and Jax (of all people) have losing Win% against Wukong by over 6% for Yasuo and around 3% for Jax. Why using even mainly in Yasuo case ?? Yasuo isnt a strong toplaner. Wukong used to counter him... before riot nerfed him, now, yasuo just need to build tabi and its gg. Jax win against Wukong most of time and outscale him. Really a free lane for JAx.
: What even is wukong
Wukong is weak atm, i advice you to not play him. He was overnerfed (dont listen these players saying he's fine, they have no clue about the game). Wukong is a Divers (x assassin). But if you pick him you have no lane pressure (or jungle pressure), you just play hoping your mates stay even... in this case a Malphite is a better choice. You are easly diveable, despite playing your whole lane under turret. make yourself a favor, dont play him.
Syrile (NA)
: Wukong has been massively underrated for a long time. Like the old version of Swain or even Quinn before she took off sometime last year. He counters a lot of people in top lane and does stupid amounts of damage and can come out of nowhere with his invis. It is just that not a lot of people play him so that means he is less known. Old Swain could solo carry a game and when I first started playing I saw maybe one or two of him in a 6 month period. Then I picked him up and was instantly hooked. Then they reworked him into a much harder to play champion that I wish existed separately but still love. :) Some champions just get overlooked to be honest.
>He counters a lot of people in top lane and does stupid amounts of damage and can come out of nowhere with his invis. He dont. Most toplaners are tanky and have sustain. Wukong has low damage before finishing his first item and reaching lv11. Just building tabi is enough for removing Wukong from toplane... but anyway, most toplaners insta win the lane against him (granted you need to know how lane). Wukong never come from nowhere.... you should just controle the map and developpe your selfawarness.
: ill never understand why Wukong players think they have it so bad. Wukong is better, and more functional than like 50% of the champion pool.
> [{quoted}](name=PhearBunny,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5VjKerlZ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-01-21T23:38:07.154+0000) > > ill never understand why Wukong players think they have it so bad. You'll never understand for many reasons : - you play in low elo (yeah, gold is low elo) : mean you and your mates are unlikely to play properly (from laning to teamfight). - you dont play Wukong nor against There a reason his pickrate is so low, and a reason why in diams players dont like when you pick Wukong.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: He's a monkey.
Not a monkey. The Monkey King
: Akali has 47 w/r in masters+ but I guess that's bad players dragging her down.
Moody P (NA)
: Summoner Spells deserve an update
{{summoner:21}} {{summoner:3}} are so ennuyous
: truly unpopular opinion
ofc, gold and below are triggered by this and they're the majority
: > [{quoted}](name=Fire Blaustoise,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7vEvuEdF,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-01-18T13:42:01.380+0000) > > Unpopular opinion : bad players shouldnt concern about balance. > > Supports can already do it. Is that why people leaves the game to play other games?
Guess what ? they leaves but come back.
Elohaven (NA)
: Game is still garbage for most melee champions. It's only fun for assassins who use electrocute/dark harvest.
Depend on your elo. The more you climb the less fun it is for most assassins (by assassin i mean laners). Like Zed is judged broken in low elo, but we're closer of trash in high elo (as top and jungle im more likely to dodge if my mid pick zed). Your issue with Zed in low elo is you dont punish them during lane and low map awarness (like you can't rely on your bot lane to retreat when mid ping SS) Dark Harvest is trash for most.
LTK KoRo (EUW)
: Tanks item are pretty shit anyway
Yes and no. They are bad due to Conqueror and {{item:3020}} {{item:3916}} {{item:3135}}. But FluffyUnicorn talk about pre Conqueror when every top rushed {{item:3047}} . And bullied any top. So he's right, instead create this version of Conqueror, riot shouldve nerfed tanks and their items. Most toplaners begged for this.
: And then? What does fervor do if you don't hurt tanks? Like you guys keep talking for weeks on end about conq and bruisers despite you guys having zero clue what you talk about. Because shockingly you don't play toplane or even bruisers to begin with. If conq is removed bruisers go straight back to trash tier. Oh wait THE GOOD BRUISERS AREN'T EVEN CONQ USERS TO BEGIN WITH. It just lets kled, renek and similar champs stay relevant past 10 minutes and let them deal with tanks AS IT IS INTENTED. Irelia is broken because it's irelia and it's hilarious to me conq is now scapegoated for her being strong despite electrocute especially midlane being her best keystone for quite some time. But nono conq is the problem with the game obviously. Tanks cannot walk toplane and rightclick bruisers to death anymore, the horror. Let's remove 50 champs from the game so mao, cho, poppy can be mindlessly spammed again and autowin everything ever. That's the league we want zero interaction, zero mechanics, zero skill. Farm up and hope your botlane carries and this is where most of the conq circlejerk actually comes from. Armless ADC mains that cannot fathom they aren'T super broken anymore and that the problem with adcs is the current GAME ITSELF AND THEIR OWN LACK OF SKILL. Just look at the top ladder of korea how many adc mains you find and yes they do not play crit carries that has a reason and the reason is not conq. Too fast, too snowbally, way too much impact by the jungler especially combined with a competent midlaner.Hilariously oppressive supports but we rather close our eyes and pretend nothing happens when alistar, rakan destroy adcs in the lane. But somehow they cling to this illusion that if we just make tanks happen in toplane again ADCs will be all powerful again. Like do you guys even realize even with fervor bruisers weren't doing too hot toplane? And it was all maokai, nauti for months? And eventually poppy. The old rune tree atleast gave 7% armor pen on top of fervor combined with black cleaver it was SOMETHING. But that was even before bramble garbage, adaptive helmet and shit that remove bruisers from the game. Without conq an ADC with GA and tabis is basically unkillable. Same with fuckin mages who somehow got to get massive pen while being able to go tabis, seeker, not sacrifice any AP or CDR or anything AND ALSO GET HIGH HEALTH STATS ON TWO MAJOR ITEMS if they choose to.
>Like you guys keep talking for weeks on end about conq and bruisers despite you guys having zero clue what you talk about. > Because shockingly you don't play toplane or even bruisers to begin with. Only tanks players and non toplaners want tanks back. Most toplaners hate these non lane. Tanks current state is closer of what they should always be. Farm till ganks or team fight. And honestly, tanks aren't in so bad spot (Poppy, Sion, Maokai, Malphite, cho are more than playable). >If conq is removed bruisers go straight back to trash tier. Oh wait THE GOOD BRUISERS AREN'T EVEN CONQ USERS TO BEGIN WITH. Yeah, only Riven rules top (Jax will be nerfed... and he's not even top tier the closer of go to master. >What does fervor do if you don't hurt tanks? What will it change ?? simple, nothing. They're only parroting each other... like usual. You're downvoted, and most disagree for a simple reason : they want toplane to become botlane b*tch again. >Without conq an ADC with GA and tabis is basically unkillable. I really think tabi need another nerf.
: > [{quoted}](name=GayFluffyUnicorn,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0AUeWiM7,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-01-17T19:38:30.397+0000) > > And then? > What does fervor do if you don't hurt tanks? > > Like you guys keep talking for weeks on end about conq and bruisers despite you guys having zero clue what you talk about. > > Because shockingly you don't play toplane or even bruisers to begin with. > > If conq is removed bruisers go straight back to trash tier. Oh wait THE GOOD BRUISERS AREN'T EVEN CONQ USERS TO BEGIN WITH. > It just lets kled, renek and similar champs stay relevant past 10 minutes and let them deal with tanks AS IT IS INTENTED. Irelia is broken because it's irelia and it's hilarious to me conq is now scapegoated for her being strong despite electrocute especially midlane being her best keystone for quite some time. But nono conq is the problem with the game obviously. Tanks cannot walk toplane and rightclick bruisers to death anymore, the horror. Let's remove 50 champs from the game so mao, cho, poppy can be mindlessly spammed again and autowin everything ever. That's the league we want zero interaction, zero mechanics, zero skill. Farm up and hope your botlane carries and this is where most of the conq circlejerk actually comes from. Armless ADC mains that cannot fathom they aren'T super broken anymore and that the problem with adcs is the current GAME ITSELF AND THEIR OWN LACK OF SKILL. Just look at the top ladder of korea how many adc mains you find and yes they do not play crit carries that has a reason and the reason is not conq. Too fast, too snowbally, way too much impact by the jungler especially combined with a competent midlaner.Hilariously oppressive supports but we rather close our eyes and pretend nothing happens when alistar, rakan destroy adcs in the lane. But somehow they cling to this illusion that if we just make tanks happen in toplane again ADCs will be all powerful again. > > Like do you guys even realize even with fervor bruisers weren't doing too hot toplane? And it was all maokai, nauti for months? And eventually poppy. > > The old rune tree atleast gave 7% armor pen on top of fervor combined with black cleaver it was SOMETHING. But that was even before bramble garbage, adaptive helmet and shit that remove bruisers from the game. > > Without conq an ADC with GA and tabis is basically unkillable. Same with fuckin mages who somehow got to get massive pen while being able to go tabis, seeker, not sacrifice any AP or CDR or anything AND ALSO GET HIGH HEALTH STATS ON TWO MAJOR ITEMS if they choose to. Actually Bruisers/Mages/and few assasins are broken. I either as jugerrnaut/bruiser player on top lane don't see reason why to remove Conqueror,make it 10% true damage.Nerf it. ADC sucks cause everyone blown sh11t out of them. And yeah..stop buffing tanks/enchnater with damage..give them propper buffs like uttility/armor/resist/health.
>Actually Bruisers/Mages/and few assasins are broken. Some bruisers are broken. Unlike mages (on mid) they don't even dominate top, not like a whole. >ADC sucks cause everyone blown sh11t out of them. Adc dont sucks. Crit adc sucks (and not all of them).
: He complains of ever under the sun regarding this game. obviously eventually he will get it right. If I say it's raining outside every single day. I will. Eventually. Be right. that doesn't mean I'm someone you should trust with balance or meteo.
Can agree or disagree, but there arguments.
: > [{quoted}](name=Monstermushmush,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0AUeWiM7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-17T15:52:38.238+0000) > > Wut? He says that conquerer is a mistake. So isn't he right? Yeah...right now. Back when he was complaining about the game needing a "fighter specific keystone that lets fighters beat tanks in lane", no he wasn't. Hash is the type of guy that will NEVER be satisfied. Even when the game's in the palms of his hands (for some reason), he does nothing but show how much of a baby he is.
> [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0AUeWiM7,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-01-17T17:11:11.562+0000) > > Yeah...right now. > > Back when he was complaining about the game needing a "fighter specific keystone that lets fighters beat tanks in lane", no he wasn't. He never said this. He said something like "bruisers have no keystone". He was right, everything was designed for other classes but bruiser. Tanks were an issue, and will be again when conqueror will be nerfed, cause riot were to lazy to fix them at the time.
: Unpopular opinion: Assassins should never be viable
Unpopular opinion : bad players shouldnt concern about balance. >Supports should be able to defend their allies, but it isn't possible with the absurd damage the game has today. Supports can already do it.
Rock MD (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=D357R0Y3R,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KtyFHxBR,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-01-17T16:19:52.357+0000) > > The support role is just an other word for "carries without items" > that's what it is in season 9 > > alistar pyke gragas elise brand zyra all can almost 100-0 you at lvl 3 You mean like when Annie was meta for half a season? It was season 4 no less, the season everyone here seems to claim was Riot's last good season. You're being fucking dramatic. You might not like the season but this isn't anything we haven't seen before.
Dont know about season 4 tbh. This elise sup isnt an issue too, GRF just play their style and its cool. But yeah, supports are too strong. Like every ap supports (even tanks like Alistar are tbh) are a threats.
Galiö (NA)
: That guy made it to rank 1 in Korea on support Elise and subbed top. Kinda just BM'd the enemy team. He missed every flash/cacoon and still won lll
its not bm. He legit duo carry with Tarzan this game.
: Trust me, I've talked about this champion since nearly her release. The excuse that people have always made for her is that she's "high skill cap", but they completely ignore that riot actively mitigates this "high skill cap" requirement by making her objectively more powerful. It's the same bullshit excuse that people give for yasuo or lee sin. People just like their flashy OP champions with near infinitely high skill caps that give the players a handicap with their built in power. It makes for exciting gameplay that fulfills their power fantasy. Even if it's actively bad game design and unhealthy for the community and the game.
> [{quoted}](name=deadlychuck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=y8ktKBsw,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-01-16T23:58:32.679+0000) > > Trust me, I've talked about this champion since nearly her release. > > The excuse that people have always made for her is that she's "high skill cap" Totaly agree... but this bs come from non toplaners and rivens mains.
: You know you can 100-0 her as well when she’s building lethality... right?
: Top lane and population
>Top lane at this point has become a even more disliked role than support, top lane talent is even more rare, as most people don't even know the most basic of concepts of how to teleport, and thus started taking ignite top lane. (which is terrible in team play) But what has caused this great exodus of top laners through out all the elos? > >I believe the answer is simple > 1-TP overly nerfd 2-Tanks are still useless if you aren't Sion or Ornn (sometimes poppy) its only a NA & Low elo things. And its not a sometimes Poppy (she's good. Period). Tp is still the best summoner for toplane... at least until jungler get hard nerfed. do you really list Jax as juggernaut ? and as good in competitive ? {{item:3071}} isnt even in a good state. >. With tanks being so heavily nerfd, we are simply removing half of the top lane player population from the role. Its not true. Tanks players aren't even half of toplane player population. They're clearly far of this... not only because their current state. >If we want top lane main population to increase, than we need to buff the other half of top lane player base that we have essentially completely kicked out of both solo q and in team play. No. If you want to increase it, you need to up top lane impact. It will happen when riot will nerf jungle and mid impact (supports still avoid nerfs). Conqueror is already planned to be nerf.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: January 16
>Viktor - Holding off on any nerfs at present, not currently convinced there's enough evidence they're needed. not enough evidence ??? just look at pro if high elo games don't convince you (if we are talking about Viktop). >Zoe - As with Mundo and Shen, we want to see where systemic changes (nerfs to Ignite and Oblivion Orb/Morello's) leave Zoe, then reassess both whether she still needs a nerf and where best to take power if so. Belief is both of those nerfs will hit her a bit more than the average user. Im more surprised you have no plan to nerf {{item:3135}} &{{item:3285}}
: Remove the ranged, targeted, hard CC on a basic ability and then we can talk. Same goes for Fiddlesticks.
Moody P (NA)
: Animation cancel double standard
Don't know why, they're inconsistent anyway... But i really think they should remove these animation cancel instead adding. Im a bit biaised cause i really hate lane against Riven & Renekton.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fire Blaustoise,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gAuyGgV6,comment-id=003300000000,timestamp=2019-01-15T23:31:32.501+0000) > > Heimerdinger/Zyra. > Brand/Rakan > Vladimir/Swain.Adcs being less then useless. > > > im not talking about "weird picks" im talking about every other laners coming bot every game like in ardent meta. > > > most of these picks aren't even so strong IMO. > Oh..u probabbly saw him...but when was the last time u saw TANK malphite? > > i dont remember saw him, and its cool tbh. > > Yeah, for botlaners its true. For top the issue is still there, it will be their time to have no agency around victory. I think the best way to balance the game would be nerf AP (and most supp), nerf jng (already planned), nerfing the on > > i can't see how. i think your memory tricks you. > > unless kassadin around lv16 there all kited easly and controled. They're not so good in high elo (around D1). They do nothing against thresh, Alistar, pyke or morgana. > > i agree. I think they need to nerf harder AP items, assassins are fine (i dont include leblanc as mages), I think sterak need nerf, same tita burst, grasp damage should be tunned down IMO You have no idea what the f u are talking. You have ZERO malphite tanks now.You have zero cho gaths,zac players. Yes,AP items need nerf,its brutal.Leblanc,Kassadins.How much chances ADCs have to survive more than 0.21 second? Duskblade needs nerf.Kha zix/Rengar,they're still nightmare for ADCs.0-10 kha zix will still one shot caitlyn/kogmaW/varus. Titanic needs nerf,grasp doesn't need nerf.Maybe nerf damage but double the healing proc..like from 5 to 10,and in exchange nerf damage. But yeah..make all runes that goes to deffensive shit...better buff conqueror+electrocute.. Lmao...NERF THE ONLY DEFFENSIVE RUNE.Nah...wont work dude. Nerf electrocute/conqueror.
Are you high ??? thats what im saying, i have ZERO malphite in my games. no tanks no ap. Duskblade dont need nerfs. Kha'Zix need nerf. Most assassins are weak. Grasp is too strong, you can ask every toplaners around D2, you take grasp on any champion its enough to fix his lane issue. Yeah, healing compensation would be good. >But yeah..make all runes that goes to deffensive shit...better buff conqueror+electrocute.. Grasp defensive ??? lel. Conqueror will be remove, electrocute was already hard nerfed. Maybe you should expend your pov, spamming enchanter totaly narrowed your vision.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fire Blaustoise,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gAuyGgV6,comment-id=0033,timestamp=2019-01-15T20:05:03.376+0000) > > They weren't hard to kill. They were impossible to kill before x items as toplaner. > > The issue of tanks meta is for toplane. When tanks are strong, the carry potential of top is low for obvious reason. Toplane impact is the lowest after adc atm already, no need to nerf it further. > In tank meta, all role play for bot, top play a farm lane (cause they can't kill each other unless one made the mistake picking a bruiser) until an action happen bot for a tp plays, mid shove his lane then go bot, jungle farm until bot got their spike. > > > Botlaners i think most of you forgot the botlane fiesta (with double tp from mid and top) > > > Tldr ; f*** tank meta {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} Actually season 8 was biggest clownfiesta on botlane. Heimerdinger/Zyra. Brand/Rakan Vladimir/Swain.Adcs being less then useless. Bot lane is determined by wich jungler/midlaner will roam/gank more times Bot,etc.. In enchanter/tank meta... We atleast had GROUPING with ur teammates and making a 5V5 fight,that lasted 30 seconds. What the F we have now? Teamfight? Does that even exists? U mean jump over the 20 walls,oneshot everyone,and again jump over 20 walls and end game? U can't survive against Diana/Khazix/rengar/yi/ekko/kassadin/irelia/jax/talon/zed All u will have is grey screen,no matter how much damage u pump to adc numbers,they will remain one shoted little fellas Tell me when was the last time u saw malphite? Oh..u probabbly saw him...but when was the last time u saw TANK malphite? Yeah...u can't remmember,me neither.Cause offense is best deffense,so we have now full AP malphites that also will one shot you,so no reason for them to tank something,when they can just kill everything. Tank meta had counters (kogmaw,vayne,varus) and atleast it was way strategic,u actually HAD teamfights.It actually EXISTED.And kiteing as an ADC/APC it also existed.Try kiteing now jax/kassadin/rengar..lmao. We just need to remove this insane burst damage.And make teamfights great again.Actually we just need to make teamfights exist.Cus they're non existent atm.
>Actually season 8 was biggest clownfiesta on botlane. Heimerdinger/Zyra. Brand/Rakan Vladimir/Swain.Adcs being less then useless. im not talking about "weird picks" im talking about every other laners coming bot every game like in ardent meta. >U can't survive against Diana/Khazix/rengar/yi/ekko/kassadin/irelia/jax/talon/zed most of these picks aren't even so strong IMO. >Tell me when was the last time u saw malphite? Oh..u probabbly saw him...but when was the last time u saw TANK malphite? i dont remember saw him, and its cool tbh. >Tank meta had counters (kogmaw,vayne,varus) Yeah, for botlaners its true. For top the issue is still there, it will be their time to have no agency around victory. I think the best way to balance the game would be nerf AP (and most supp), nerf jng (already planned), nerfing the on > atleast it was way strategic i can't see how. i think your memory tricks you. >Try kiteing now jax/kassadin/rengar..lmao unless kassadin around lv16 there all kited easly and controled. They're not so good in high elo (around D1). They do nothing against thresh, Alistar, pyke or morgana. >We just need to remove this insane burst damage. i agree. I think they need to nerf harder AP items, assassins are fine (i dont include leblanc as mages), I think sterak need nerf, same tita burst, grasp damage should be tunned down IMO
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