: never said that's his only overloaded ability and thresh is just a sup hes supposed to be a sup at least
what you're saying is "he has too much damage for the utility he has", he doesn't have a lot of utility he just has a lot of raw damage, hence his numbers are too high not that his kit is overloaded.
JackMcCarry (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=FkValeRly,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h7b01gAg,comment-id=000100030000000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-25T14:34:03.249+0000) > > so he has speed buff, his autos hurt, he has a "me smash" ability, shield / weak heal, 1 CC ability and his passive does damage in a ring. his basically garen 2.0 with less burst but more CC. he has nothing like 50 dashes, windwalls, 10 different abilities, ryze shit or gnar shit. his a simple damage stick like all the other juggernauts. Ok, so you're biased, just because he doesnt have 50 dashes (who does? Lol) and a windwall doesnt mean his kit cant be bloated? You're ignoring/downplaying parts of his kit, and you're saying GNAR is overloaded? Gnar Q is just "me throw" ability His W is just a "me stun"/makes his autos hurt. His E is just a single dash on a long CD. His ult is just a stun/throw. See? Not overloaded.
yes gnar having 4 CC abilities and a massive capcloser / escape is way less overloaded than a champion that has 1 CC ability and a shield.
: it always pushes people off? i never saw a thresh PULL with his E that's what's his q is for and it's a skillshot but idk why u are comparing a support to morde do u think an ap juggernaut having enough cc to be compared to a support is a good thing?
yeah it pulls, you're saying that morde is overloaded when the ability you claim to be the most overloaded is just a bad thresh E.
JackMcCarry (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=FkValeRly,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h7b01gAg,comment-id=0001000300000000,timestamp=2019-06-25T12:50:26.393+0000) > > he has 1 cc ability, 1 shielding ability and a passive that does damage with the most generic Q in the game, if this is overloaded in your eyes you might want to get your eyes checked. His passive also give him movespeed. His passive also gives his AA 40% AP scaling. His Q doubles as both good wave clear and 1v1 tool since it boosts his damage by 40% in a 1v1. His shielding ability can also heal him if he chooses. His E also gives him 25% magic pen as a passive. He also has 0 resource managment. That's not even mentioning his ult. But way to leave out a few details.
so he has speed buff, his autos hurt, he has a "me smash" ability, shield / weak heal, 1 CC ability and his passive does damage in a ring. his basically garen 2.0 with less burst but more CC. he has nothing like 50 dashes, windwalls, 10 different abilities, ryze shit or gnar shit. his a simple damage stick like all the other juggernauts.
: like i said it swings u in one direction morde's can push and pull u too op not for himself but for his team too he's a tank and an ap juggernaut at the same time
you really need to go and play some thresh fam
: it's not a thresh E it does more than that thresh's E swings u in one direction
well I guess its pointless to argue with someone who doesn't know what champion abilities do, also just fyi thresh E is a much better ability than morde E
: his ulti is technically a cc ability it isolates u from the map and ur teammates also that "one cc ability" is too good why has a pull and peel in one ability for god's sake idc how generic u think its abilities are if they do their job excellently well and feel bad to play against i think i believe myself over ur biased opinion
its practically just a thresh E, his abilities do their job well because the numbers are so high not that the abilities themselves are overloaded, compare something like irelia Q that gives you 10 dashes to morde Q which is "I hit an area infront of me". >i believe myself over ur biased opinion the what now? you think I'm a morde main or some shit? lmao
: hes both i am not confusing anything
he has 1 cc ability, 1 shielding ability and a passive that does damage with the most generic Q in the game, if this is overloaded in your eyes you might want to get your eyes checked.
: > [{quoted}](name=FkValeRly,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oGIK4A5p,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-06-23T20:32:29.893+0000) > > all the broken shit in top lane and you complain about one of the most balanced ones that isn't as shitty to play against, also how the fuck is pantheon gutted? I wouldnt necessarily say "balanced." I feel that getting free stats from AA-ing, sonething that you do regardless of what champ or lane you play, is a bit problematic.
I don't like the way people use the word "free" on the boards, its not "free" its a part of his kit which makes the rest of his kit weaker compared to other champions, much like kayle, jax, irelia, mordekaiser who all get "free" shit for hitting shit
: the most toxic elo i have ever been in is plat by far, because everyone up here are meta slaves who think they are the best and as a one trick it gets ridiculous to get flamed every champ select and all throughout the game every game
: god forbid he has counterplay with that overloaded kit he has right?
i think you're confusing overloaded with overstated fam
mosaickle (OCE)
: I remember when I used to be Lv.30. Lv.30 means you know the bare basics of the game, not that you're ready to compete. I'd honestly raise the ranked level cap to 50, 30 is far too low otherwise lessen XP gain.
and when I hit level 30 I was stomping silver / gold players cause I actually took the time to look up guides, watch my replays and learn the game. new players skill levels are all over the place with some new players hitting challenger on the same / next year of joining the game. forcing decent players to throw their competitive spirit into normal queues which are basically troll games with garbage matchmaking is a horrible idea as well.
: Not really. A mid-bronze should generally be stomped out by a mid-silver. Take it from someone who's recently been no-lifing, playing against players who're a division below you should net you **at least **a 60% WR if you actually try to win.
you're confusing division with league, someone who's one division lower is silver 3 compared to silver 2 not mid bronze to mid silver.
: ya... and lets make is so every champ in the game uses other new items that are just for him. because what can a ashe do with a sword?! ({{item:3031}} )
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ZaFishbone (EUNE)
: Because that's just how bad they are. And if they are better, they will climb out soon. Trust me, when playing even one division lower than your own, it shows.
> when playing even one division lower than your own, it shows. this is the best joke I've heard all week lmao
: The only alternative to MMR is randomly putting people in games. Do you truly think that would give you and everyone else a better experience?
well I'd have fun stomping scrubs, the amount of players that are actually good is so small that to the average player it wouldn't really make that much of a difference though, especially with all the smurfs around.
: Is it me, or does a single bad week for ranked just completely fuck your MMR for the season?
i can tell you that making a new account is always easier to rank up than a hardstuck one even if the hardstuck one is diamond
Sillae (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=FkValeRly,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oGIK4A5p,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-06-23T20:32:29.893+0000) > > all the broken shit in top lane and you complain about one of the most balanced ones that isn't as shitty to play against, also how the fuck is pantheon gutted? trynd balanced?
the only reason low elos get upset at trynda is because they get out macroed which they qq about like its cheating.
: trynda is a problem and should be gutted like panth.
all the broken shit in top lane and you complain about one of the most balanced ones that isn't as shitty to play against, also how the fuck is pantheon gutted?
Noctús (NA)
: Yes cause tanks dont need damage, and pyke has his ult and stun, pull/slow. A champ doesnt even need a 50% to still be doing too much. Ie: Yasuo, Akali, Yuumi, etc etc..
are people actually this dumb lmao
: Leashing for the Jungler & Warding buffs isn't really mandatory. It's more of a "common courtesy" to help the jungler early on. As a Support main, I'm always there to help the jungler until the Buff is atleast 500hp. I don't necessarily HAVE to do this, but I do so just to make sure that the Jungler doesn't fall behind. Only 3 jungle champions I can think of that need no real assistance early on are Shaco (Jack in the Boxes), Kayn (Takes Q at Lv1 & does Raptors) and Ivern (his passive, Friend of the Forest).
you don't HAVE to last hit minions or deal damage to enemies but if you want to win you will do it.
BigFBear (EUW)
: 1. You have 57% winrate on jungle Morg? What's your problem? Maybe you should stop play the champs you have 20-40% winrate on if you wanna climb (Orrn, Karma, Neeko, Yuumi). 2. One game doesn't say anything. You have a lot of games on Morg with normal KDA. Also: you have won most of the games you had very good KDA. Coinflip happens. 3. I would recommend to play a real jungler because once you get Plat/Dia+ you will have difficulties with Morg Jungle I could imagine. Btw. can u post from your Dia 2 Acc? I strongly doubt that you stuck in S4 when you play the same in Dia2.
morgana is meta in korean highelo, people need to stop acting like she isn't a "real jungler".
: The build kills the MF in 2 seconds, same as an AP build would. Except it doesn't lose the trade with said MF and double death. You really don't understand what the build is. It actually accelerates the speed of a kill versus an AP build.
well since your arguments keep getting more and more stupid I'll just wait for a post from your d2 account.
: ***
>Kennen: Untargetable the what now
: What role carries the hardest in low elo?
all of em are easy to carry low elo with, you should be asking about champions not roles.
: yeah 17/5/17 is totally playing it wrong. 3 lane kill in first 4 minutes is playing it wrong. Doing more damage than anyone on either team by 30-40% is playing it wrong. Almost 100 CC instances even though I don't have a Rylai's is playing it wrong (meaning only from Q/R) Having a Diamond II account where I play the same is "wrong"
LOoK aT mY kDA!!!!! drop me a post from the D2 accounts though will ya :^)
: > [{quoted}](name=FkValeRly,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QEKtBma0,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-16T04:13:44.230+0000) > > morg jungle is actually really good though and can actually carry low elo quite well, the way this guy is playing it is just wrong though. I only had a morg jungle on my team in plat like 3 times, but i agree it isn't bad. I just think if he had 17 kills on any of these junglers instead {{champion:245}} {{champion:28}} {{champion:120}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:203}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:56}} {{champion:107}} any game he played would have been easy wins. These champs can force things to happen easier than Morg with their mobility and don't need to depend on their teammates for much in silver elo. Even if he had built more damage morg Q is still single target skillshot, W stays in 1 place, and ult requires you to flash in unless the entire enemy team played it really bad. Meanwhile all the champs I listed (and more I didn't bother to list) can't have most of their damage outplayed, it's nearly guaranteed compared to morg.
if he built any of the champions you listed like he had a hole in his head (well except for maybe jax) he would still lose. it really ain't about the champion, its plenty easy to carry games as jungle morg in low elo. are yi/kayn/kha/rengar the best low elo stompers? yes. would this game have been won if the op played it better? yes.
: Because Leona, Kled, and Rhaast are totally "Squishy" P.S. This account has a 57% Overall Morg score (some top, support, etc) I suggest you tally my last 2-3 weeks. I haven't played enough recently on this account to see more than 3-4 games.
what I linked you took your 32 past jungle morg games and it has a 50% wr, not 70% now is it. the only threat on the enemy team was miss fortune and maybe veigar, I wonder what's more useful, killing the mf in a second or auto attacking her to death for 5 seconds while her ult kills your whole team .... huh ...
: It's not bad if it works and apparently it works.
well if you consider 50% wr in silver working then I can make ap sivir amazing.
: There is nothing wrong with the advise you were given, the champ you picked to jungle has zero pressure once any of these happen. 1. No flash. 2. Minions/tanks blocking Q 3. Depending on bad teammates. Don't know what you expected to happen when you picked morg jungle.
morg jungle is actually really good though and can actually carry low elo quite well, the way this guy is playing it is just wrong though.
: Did you even bother to look at the damage output? It's a dueling build. It outputs damage about 130% as fast as a full AP death cap build and has FAR more pressure. P.S. As jungle, I have nearly a 70% Win rate with Morg, even at this game count. You believe in metas too much.
you chose a """"dueling"""" build over burst against a team full of squishies, the build does a lot of what we call "trash damage", especially in the later stages of the game where you're doing damage but not really killing anything. >P.S. As jungle, I have nearly a 70% Win rate with Morg, even at this game count. You believe in metas too much. I see an exact 50% wr as a jungle morg. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/champions/morgana/na/Illabethe I don't believe in metas too much, I've played a lot of off meta shit that's very good at stomping low elo, what you're doing isn't.
: This is why I'm Skeptical when "High Elo" tries to suggest tips to climb low elo
what the actual fuck is that build, you wont win every game, especially when playing morg jungle, especially with that build but you can win around 80% of em simply by git gudin
: Step Back For A Second
if the dude can consistently win in masters with it it ain't griefing, you can call it annoying, cheesy and shitty towards his team but it sure as hell ain't griefing. above gold elo boi defending nubrac whoever the fuck he is here :^)
Noctús (NA)
: Yes actually, they pull the target to them and provide additional hard cc for your team to collapse on. Especially blitz since the target gets pulled right on top of his location. As an example; Blitz or pyke pulls or knocks up/stuns, its that cc that nets you the kill in a teamfight. It will make hard cc champs more oriented towards what the game is about, teamplay.
yes removing 900 damage from a champions kit that's already at 50% wr will balance them perfectly :^)
: Low level smurf queue is so exciting! No meme!
truly, I enjoy facing diamonds and masters every game in normals when I'm level 20 :) https://gyazo.com/5f31a5903da25ffd63318821a50cc1db
: > [{quoted}](name=FkValeRly,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qq9gxAmW,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-06-15T01:09:35.267+0000) > > so you got fisted by a shit tier champion as a S tier champion which made you complain about it on the boards claiming that the shit tier champ is op? lmao First of all, I'm a casual player and I believe tier list does not mean a damn thing at different skill levels. A master yi could be low tier in higher skill games but completely different story in low skill games. Second, tier list don't even mean everything because some champs either counter or are just stronger than other champs. You can have a low tier champ stronger than a higher tier because the low tier counters the high tier. If you say jhin is s tier super good champ, how good will he be if no one peels for you and you get steam rolled by katarina, akali, yasuo? What about tier list then?
yes adcs with absolute garbage team comps die to 3 assassins, in the case of dying to neeko as jhin you clearly missplayed tho. you died to a champion that's objectively worse than yours in aram and you want to give massive nerfs to that champion because you got outplayed / you missplayed? doesn't really seem right to me fam.
Noctús (NA)
: You dont need to compensate by adding more damage, thats one of the problems in this game anyhow. Would you really like to see {{champion:53}} with more damage on w/e/r? Or even {{champion:555}}? Nah fam, Im good.
you think pyke or blitz will have a win ratio above 30% when their Q and E do 0 damage? lmao
: Should hard cc have high damage?
>The biggest push to me bringing this up is that I faced a neeko as jhin in arams. so you got fisted by a shit tier champion as a S tier champion which made you complain about it on the boards claiming that the shit tier champ is op? lmao
Noctús (NA)
: Honestly hard cc shouldnt do damage, that should be its trade off for it being HARD cc
i don't think people realize how much more damage the rest of the champions kit would have to do for this to be balanced lmao
Rock MD (NA)
: High elo players cannot carry 3 feeding players, so we make sure our teammates don't feed
you're forgetting the most important part, queue check and dodge when your teams doing dumb shit.
: The system does not encourage you to reconnect to a match
you also get rewarded for running it down mid compared to going afk or flaming
iPogoZ (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=FkValeRly,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cO89Kven,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T05:54:56.871+0000) > > volibear is a bulky caster ...? Juggernaut are like {{champion:75}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:48}} {{champion:111}} (When he was a tank) Bruisers are like {{champion:266}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:83}} Some champions like voli, sion or singed could probs be argued to be juggernauts so it up in the air
well since a lot of people seem to be confused by this, juggernauts are bruisers so yes volibear is a bruiser but his also a juggernaut.
Xavanic (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=FkValeRly,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cO89Kven,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T05:54:56.871+0000) > > volibear is a bulky caster ...? volibear is a bruiser....you do know bruisers and juggernauts are 2 different things...right?
well you are objectively wrong but you can continue on with your delusions if you'd like.
Xavanic (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=TheBlackFaker,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cO89Kven,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T05:43:35.352+0000) > > He is actually he's not, jugguarnauts are Bulky casters, udyr does 90% of his damge through auto attacking
: First, that's an armor cleave, not penetration. Illaoi doesn't hit people much outside of her ult, meaning its hard to get six stacks until late game teamfights. Second, I've seen many Mordekaisers build void staff against tanky teams already, and do amazing. Many builds also suggest it, but thats not the best thing to go off of.
https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Mordekaiser I don't see a single void staff here, also you proc cleaver off of illaois E so pretty much landing 1 ability guarantees full stacks.
: Sorry, I was in Texas for 6 months and was unable to play, or even read patch notes. There's probably other changes and reverts I am completely unaware of. I took that out of the post, although its more viable for Morde to buy Void Staff than Illaoi to buy armor pen
its far more viable (actually meta) for illaoi to go black cleaver while morde never goes void staff tho
: This My main issue with Morde is how big his abilities are, and how fast they are. For example, I can't help but compare Illaoi's Q to Morde's. Morde Q - (+ 75 / 95 / 115 / 135 / 155) (+ 60% AP) + (20 / 25 / 30 / 35 / 40%) for single hit targets Illaoi Q - 10 − 180 (based on level) (+ 120% AD) --Same for all tentacles Lvl 1, they deal about the same amount of damage due to the ability scaling, outside of the single hit targets, in which Morde's definitly wins. Lvl 18, Illaoi's would definitely outscale Morde's, if it wasn't for the fact that it's much harder to build attack damage on her compared to ability power on Morde. However, the main issue is the ability speed and size. I do not own Mordekaiser at the moment, so I can't test this for actual numbers. According to Morde videos and experience fighting him, his Q takes about .5-.75 seconds from cast to deal damage, while Illaoi's takes one second. I am 95% sure that Illaoi's takes twice as long to do. I also believe that Morde's is bigger than Illaoi's as well. Illaoi's seems to be slightly longer than Morde's but his is definitely wider. If they were to have the same perimeter, Morde's would take more surface area that Illaoi's. However, I think that Morde's is wider than Illaoi's is long, making his even bigger. Thus, not only is his much harder to dodge due to how fast it is, but you also must move farther to dodge in most circumstances. Only the 5% missing health heal is in Illaoi's favor. Edit: Got rid of penetration stats, since I was wrong. So many people are misunderstanding the point of this post
>Also, best armor penetration: , -- 35% BONUS armor pen cmon mate, a little bit of research goes a long way.
: Morde sitting at 70% ban rate, 13% pick rate, and 56% WR even with 0 expereince on him
i just had a 1-6 morde pull up to me and 1v1 me without health loss when I was a 6-2 rene omegalul
: I mean... a slow, relatively immobile bruiser that absolutely mauls squishies that can't get away, but has serious trouble catching highly mobile folks... Isn't that describing most of the juggernaut class as a whole? {{champion:266}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:83}}
not really aatrox or urgot but yes
: Rompepollo's point still stands that Lux generally maxes E first, so accusing him of lying was just wrong and that was entire point of my post, because he's not lying. The thing is majority of staistics show she's succesful and majority of statistics show E-max Comet. So it's more like she is broken either way.
he said no lux is maxing W first when maxing W is the optimal way to play her, sure the majority maxes E first but it doesn't matter what amateurs do now does it.
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